certainly see what can happen. .. on the shoulders of extreme nationalism almost sometimes fascist forces. i'm not suggesting that people

in the government are exactly harboring the same use, but was happening in the country certainly wasn't acceptable. if you are talking about the country that is seeking european association that is professing to support the western european values, what is happening was absolutely against anything that would eat compatible with the goal of ukraine becoming a country, sharing and supporting the areas. even today, what we see that is happening is reminding us each and every day how difficult things are in this country and will most likely be difficult for significant time. what happened then, the

government is kiev came into power, but not everybody in the country was told by that. luckily, many people didn't share the goals of the group of people that took over in kiev. especially taking into account one of the first words to ban the use of russian language and russian culture in both ukraine and at the same time there's nationalistic portions that came to power at a time where we are assisting ukraine needs to be for ukrainians. russia even has to be prohibited to stay in ukraine.

mind you in the final stage of all these debates, these proposals haven't become to load and i understand not only our disapproval was a bit important, but most of the european purpose of ukraine and hopefully the united states as well certainly made known to them that the values of a democratic state wouldn't support that kind of draft posts, but what happened with the newly established government sent a signal of what they wanted and the parts of ukraine, which is mostly russians. not only russian speakers, but it rations for them to be up to

speak the language, to teach their children the same language to maintain the culture that they have felt associated and is very important. but they were threatened that the mind of the so-called granny and eastern part of ukraine and people were rejecting everything that was happening in kiev. people in the crimean, people that use were not except it altogether. but the new government trying to impose on them the values they are sharing. what happened in crimea you certainly know, but i will just remind you, there was a referendum were absolute majority, total majority of people and most of the maturity people are not only russian speakers, but everybody in

ukraine is a russian speaker whether it's in need are in the west, the people who feel that they are rations, historically been part of this. they wanted to get back to a russian federation. if you want, i cannot some point described the history of this part of our country. but they voted independence and they voted for russia to accept them as a part of the russian federation. in the eastern part, people didn't ask for independence. they were talking about some extended autonomy because east of the ukraine is one of the most developed industry parts of

the country. people complain there that they produce national wild that is taking and they gave back in a tiny portion they earn for the country, just the distribution that they produce in this particular part of the country. they also wanted some more autonomy to deal to protect the ability to speak russian, around russian schools and things like that. what they saw in response from newly established from a self-portrait government in kiev were all made throughout. we saw what was happening and they were threatened by force.

they were called terrorists. that is something very difficult to understand because people are still in their houses and they are defending the way of life where they have lived and they were called terrorists by the government. they were called separatists. however, the one that tom and me in ukraine that was negotiated he trained them and the government in kiev. we have followed this. people in kiev announced that what was needed in the country. all inclusive dialogue. the problem was that it was something included in the so-called agreement that was reached between the then opposition and the previous

president of ukraine over the settlement of disputes in the country, peaceful settlement. it was february 21 with the european countries, france and german in poland witnessing and signing together with the agreement on the work plan to reach a political settlement in some themes and collusive dialogue on of the country. it never happened. kiev never did it. we did succeed to have the ideal national dialogue in another document together with the united states and some europeans in geneva. i think as april 17th. no dialogue was conducted from the future of the country as a

whole. instead, we saw the use of force and kiev was throwing forces on those who didn't agree with the government in kiev. the more they created volunteers because people were creating their way of life. we are insisting that together it is very important almost not completely. it is almost two consecutive meetings and agreements in maintenance and baylor mercia between the governments and the leadership of the opposing forces in eastern ukraine and the ceasefire by a large is more

or less working except for a number when the armed forces are still proving their own people. the civilian population, even in the most outrageous situation i'm not sober first when the school year started. we did delay one month. usually russian ukraine school year starts on september 1st in the current circumstances start october 1st. at the moment of opening classes, locally they haven't killed children, but they killed teachers. and it was done on the backdrop of the agreement.

that is a problem that is very difficult to agree with the opposing forces at the kiev government and proceed implementing the government in full. we have to understand it is going to be difficult especially after three and a half thousand lives were lost in this country, and many more wounded. the number of cities destroyed completely because of the forces of ukraine for using multiple launch rocket systems against their own people, against cities. and assistance for those who know some and about the military capabilities, they are not known to be designed to be very precision oriented. they cover service is with

enormous, enormous destructive power. so what is happy name? we are trying to delay the means agreement work. i am very encouraged by today after the meeting between the foreign ministers and secretary kerry and mr. laffer off in paris, they both seem to be confirming the above countries. the agreements in these implemented and then still hopeful that however difficult it is, it will be moving to more normal seat, but it will certainly take a lot of time and a lot of effort to make side to

agree how they to live together side by side. it's for them, not for the united states. having said so, i would like to stress once again the russian-american relations. this week came from different positions for this issue. but the united states also chose to try to influence our team but pressure, pressure and pressure. attempts to isolate russia in the international arena, some in the certainly isn't workable and we care less about isolating russia from the secretary of state about the need for russia and the united states to work together on the challenges we face, and also economic pressure.

something that is widely discussed both in the united states and even also in russia because we do like the idea to be under pressure. we do run some difficulties in economic development because we are very much integrated now in the international economic life. it's no longer the union that was the product set of economic instruments as now the country that is widely integrated into international economic sphere. we have very developed relations with the european union. our mutual trade is about $400 million a year to compare to yours, your trade, your european would be about 500 or

600 million -- a billion dollars a year. so very much comparable numbers. in the same time, the quality of our economic relations with the united states is significantly less important and less developed. the last year the figures -- i will give you the numbers are the trade between the united states and russia were $38 billion both ways according to the united states and $28 billion going into russian statistics. statistics differ not because people are trying to hide something. we cannot things differently. our statistics includes directory. yours include trade to third parties -- third countries. but one way or another, 28, 39,

just try to mention it is less than 1% of the overall foreign trade of the united states. i remember last year the driver for foreign trade by 2%. has anybody noticed this? our trade is less than 1% of your trade. for us, the united states doesn't appear even in the least at the 10 most important economic workers. it is mostly europe, china. even ukraine i think is greater than the united states. that in turn shows the overall relations between our two countries have never achieved a level of real intertwined

partnership that we enjoy with a number of important countries for europeans as unified markets. put other suggestion is even in the current pressure that we see applied to russia, our trade this year doesn't seem to be dropping too much. for eight months this year, there is a drop of half a billion dollars if you compare with eight months of the year 2013, which shows real business is still interested in working in the markets of each other. and i have spoken to a number of american companies who are very successful in russia and they are willing to continue to be willing to be successful there.

we also have a number of success stories here in the state. we have a number of russian countries invested in the united states. we have one company to name a few, but what an enormously successful company is make your business on providing you with the best industrial cubes in the world and those keys are used for shell gas, shale oil production, helping you to compete with us in the oil markets. but before they join american market, they were number three or number four in the world. so what i'm suggesting is we do have political difficulties. sometimes less so, but at the

same time, there are a lot of interests in the rest of the world weren't relations between our countries that can and should bring our countries and business people together. something we want to have been. we believe political differences shouldn't make businesses hostages. we also believe that russia and the united states can do a lot if we worked together, not against each other. at the same time, we are to work in the states basis of equality. and significantly more positive way of addressing each kind of concerns, something instilling

in my relations. it is same time, talking about sanctions, i would be remiss if i didn't explain to you that certain sanctions in the russian economy, but if you listen to the debates on the russian economic ministers and concerns some are different. they do make financial borrowing for investment more difficult the only place where money can be found. we also have money in our country and we also have a number of partners like some countries in asia who also interest the russian market, who also are looking for opportunities in the market

where there is private by western companies and they want to take the issues that appeared now. most importantly russia is part of the extended european space. not formally defined, but in general terms. i press the numbers which i found very interesting and i will try to help you understand what russia is and what it is not. for example, in this year, 2014, the economic growth and the russian aspirations in standard

four consecutive years in the economy of around 7%. currently it's going to be half of 1%, 0.5. to compare with friends, significant economic power in europe, great partner of russia, they have the growth of 0.4. german 1.4 that they run the risk procession because there is a significant drop in germany. italy is the negative side. spain at 1%. unemployment in russia is 4.8%. 10.3%. germany 5%.

italy 12%, spain 24%. i try to compare with countries with significant economic stand in europe. but what is also important that we run a budget with process even today. it is 2.5% this year were entranced as minus 4.5%. in germany only 1%. and also, if you take reserves, we enjoy reserves today of about

$455 billion. to compare with france, 155. june income of the great german economy, $200 million. italy 150. and spain 42. so what i am suggesting is that irrespective of the difficulties in the economic development we are discussing with such vigor now and russia, russian maker data as subspecialists colleton russia for economic development is pretty solid. we do not run insignificant for debt.

the data that the russian state that, if you compare it is only 10%. it's only 10%. just try to remember how much you oss state. if you compare with your gnp. in paris 97%. and all the european countries are in a much worse position on this issue because we have run the economic development with very conservative policies and budget outlays to promote stability of the economy. when difficult challenges, and, we to be better prepared than a

number of other countries. having said so, i also need to say that we are not satisfied with the level of our economic development is secondary. one of the biggest difficulties that we are still haunted with his being so rich in oil and gas it is something that provides significant component of our gnp. but at the same time, it leaves less of an incentive for people to develop other industries something that is important to us. so we have embarked on a program to diversify the economy and to build an economy that would be less dependent on oil and gas and more using excellent

technological abilities that we enjoy. in the technological capabilities of russia are very significant. what is still missing largely is the ability to put into the market needs in an efficient way and that is to push the government is trying to do now. unfortunately, with less success than we had hoped previously. but i would say it here i return to assumptions. difficult sometimes create opportunities. there is a very significant tribe of business people and neighbors to see nietzsche's and russian market and is 150 billion -- million people with rather developed ability to

pay for the goods and services they get. we are working in order to create incentives for companies that would be building are only products that they currently imported. the current crisis and economic pressure the united states and some european part or as show to last is you cannot rely on the current circumstances on the freedom and flow of goods and services as their internal instrument of development.

it is very much vulnerable to political decisions. it is also somewhat disappointing passion shows that the united states is significantly less reliable economic partner to us as we had expected. we also together with diversification of our own economy are working to diversify our economic ties. we are working with the asian countries. we are an asian country. sometimes people forget that wherever the united states, either to europe or asia, we are there. we have significant economic partners in asia and we will have been doing that irrespective of sanctions. but under the sanctions, we understand much about it that

working on putting more economically with countries other than the united states in europe serves our long-term interests, which is not to say we want to abandon cooperation with the west. no way we interested in developing and, but we have learned that even in the areas for economic interests seem to be bringing us together, like for example, in the seas is put on risk because of political research, political disagreements. most of you are better say or are better say or to buy diversify and operation and relying more on capabilities that do exist in russia. we want them to see developed.

so that is where we are. if you ask me every fact in the cold war, i would say i hope not. i can assure you we in moscow are not interested in the cold war. we want to see it restored in our relations, but they are stored on mutual respect, partnership on the basis of quality. so i will be here in open for q&a. thank you. [applause] >> well, we thank you for that positive view of russia today and we certainly share your interest in long-term bonds

between the two states. the floor is now open for questions. or a microphone for the isles on both sides. yes, sir. >> sometime ago, vladimir putin told george bush that the crane was not even a nation. is that so his position? of the? to elaborate on that. >> i'm not sure that i can confirm what you are referring to. it is important to understand what nation means. of course ukraine as a nation. we have a lot of ukrainians in ukraine to represent the nation. how ever, historically ukraine developed in a very difficult way because as a country within current boundaries, it exists basically after the composition of the soviet union.

because it was part of the bigger countries soviet union and prior to that, during hundreds of years, current ukraine was divided between the polish government in the eastern part was largely a part of the russian empire. so the same ethnic groups, speaking the same language, they were developing in somewhat different ways, historically cultured and even religiously because all of the eastern parts, the orthodox and eastern part is a mix. currently what is happening in ukraine, they are forming well-established nations and we hope they won't do it in a very peaceful way. >> microphone on the left

please. >> let me warn everyone to ask a sustained question so we can get as many as possible. >> outside of russia whenever rick resulted nation. if you set for russia, then russia -- [inaudible] now, second question that from the breakup of yugoslavia 37 countries, all slavic states by russia. by constantly vetting process was membership to the united nations, but principles are we defending now? >> well, xhosa photo was taken from serb or force. that is the biggest problem

because there was a very difficult history. you have some roots there. kosovo was part of serbia that the serbs continue to beat the holy land there. he cuts of the historical land, other processes, the number proportion of people about the indian dissent has grown very fast and they felt that they became majority there. so they have the problem with this service. so there were a lot and there was a campaign against serbia to accept what the population was telling them. if you ask me whether the serbs did everything in the best way

one can do, i am not sure i know. as so, the results of devastation from the economic campaign broke. so was kind of self-determination as he put it. it was forceful process of taking part of a country and that is how we see it. and we have sent them out at time to our american friends and others that we are accepting the legality of it. and you know that the issue was very the united states present at the neighbor which was suggesting that there is no violation of international law because international law

doesn't regulate the process of self-determination of people. so the united states position was outplayed because of kosovo situation was significantly different from what we've seen so far afterwards. >> for faster window, please. >> you hopefully have touched on a number of subjects, but i wonder if you would describe for us but the number of bowl of russian troops in the ukraine has been in recent months. >> well, there's no russian troops in eastern ukraine. [laughter] you laugh at that. no matter whether you laugh at that, there are no troops sent to eastern ukraine. what i'm suggesting is there is

no russian troops sent to eastern ukraine. there are russian citizens they are as certainly we know. however, i'm of the other side we know there are citizens and there's a lot of indications, but the people who are fighting for eastern ukraine, basically people who lived there are ukrainians and ukrainian citizens and probably you haven't seen the reports of the events. i see it each and every day. and you look at the people fighting there. they are not even universal. they are people who came from all walks of life. some of them have a lot of military background and the

soviet union times, from afghanistan. sometimes people have served together in ukrainian components interact. so there are a lot of people who know what the military job is to do it professionally. >> yes, sir. >> how al. but after an errant, good, welcome. it is worldwide. i just want to make a statement and you don't have to respond. >> what are you going to speak of? >> on matters of holy matrimony, they russian orthodox church and the roman catholic church meet, pray we might and we might enable to schedule from religious classes so to enhance their religious skills of some of our very own united states supreme court justices. thank you.

>> i understand it's more a statement rather than a question. it saves me because i'm not religious myself and it's difficult for me to give an educated view. next question, please. >> you mentioned before international law and i was wondering if i could ask you, what does russia see developments or problems in international law or the law of armed conflict and birth anyway do you think there should be any changes in the international law in this regard or do you think the law should stay as it is? if i could get the russian perspective on this issue. thank you. >> well, that kind of question requires another lecture. and certainly not a specialist on the law. i am not a lawyer.

the humanitarian law and allow for fair i think is there and has to be at least fully complied with. and here i cannot but once again returned to the situation in neighboring ukraine. i am surprised sometimes watching cnn or other american channels reporting on the situation and comparing with what we see in russian reporting. and we are biased coming you are biased, sometimes i have a feeling that we see different planets. and what is missing here in the united states, surprisingly, with all of the claims of

objectivity that the western is pursuing, the trust is we are happening in the eastern ukraine. their masquerades discovered they are. civilians killed indiscriminately by military, the most powerful weapons the military has. there are blue demons in this part of ukraine, we see as active fighting for is the so-called volunteering to battalions. the status of those is largely misunderstood because they have sometimes no status. so when you see the real arms forces shelling the comment that

these people answer in the settlements and when they left, if you hear people who survived this, with beatings, torture us, some of them are video recorded. i am surprised. it took 31st century in a country that aspires for european membership. >> yes, sir. >> mr. ambassador coming your comments relative to the ethnic russians in ukraine, i also think parallels those that should be made for those for georgia. every nation that was previously part of the soviet union has a large ethnic russian population. taking those comments and extrapolating them out, that gives you path to meddle in every country's affairs that

border russia. how do you respond? >> i will respond very simply. it's not true that we are meddling in the affairs of other countries. we do have a number of countries where the russian population is well represented. kazakhstan. the remodeling their affairs? posix don is one of the most trustable partners that we have. we just signed an agreement over there to create the eurasian union. a look at baylor russia. are we mingling and their affairs? look at all ticks. look at baltics. but we mingling and their affairs? we sometimes speak out when we see the nazi record side in these countries. we mingling their affairs?

it is something that this statement based on very, very preconceived notion of what russian policy is, which i cannot agree with. >> i pointed this because you are not close enough to your microphone. >> i apologize. i apologize. >> thank you for your answer. time will tell. >> thank you, mr. ambassador. between the mid-1990s and until recent years, there were many thousands of children adopted from russian orphanages by u.s. citizens. that has now come to a stop. i am interested in knowing if there's any movement in reopening international adoption between the united states and russia. and i am also interested in knowing whether russia has made any progress towards adopting the hague convention on intercountry adoption. thank you.

>> well, first of all i have to apologize. i do not know exactly where we are on the hague document, but i will look up and if we have a chance i will give you an answer. when it comes to the adoption, i do not see anything happened in russia they would bring it back and the reasons are very simple. we saw a number of cases here in the united states for kids from russia were abused, were tortured, some of them lost their lives. some would say that statistics. look at the kids in russia. they also get killed and tortured sometimes by the parents. true. look at the american statistics.

how much of cruelty towards minors is happening in this country. that is human nature. the difference being that russian kids here in this country are unprotected. we were trying to bring a state appointments and even the justice department to work with us to pursue the cases when we saw a russian cities and remind you that these kids are russian citizens. they also get american citizenship a moment across the border, but they continue to be russian citizens. and wherever we are trying to help justice to be served, we were very much left alone at best. sometimes we saw the sentences given to people were

unjustifiable, unjustifiably mild. we also felt that if you saw the punishment people would get for torturing would be significantly different. all of this is very much can turn to us. we have been raising up with american colleagues so many times. virtually we are getting a response they cannot do much because these issues are regulated by state laws, which we also learned the hard way and i will tell you we had a case where there were the legal procedures one time i think it was believed to be abusing a minor from russia.

i send a legal expert from the embassy to be there to hear proceedings. like you said, we had an agreement with the united states that provides legal help in pursuing such things. he was told that you do sign agreements with the federal government and work with the federal government. here in this state we work based on the state loads. so what we saw was very, very unfortunate and a large the good statistics for medicaid that have been adopted here. i will tell you that many american families who command so much respect and there's wonderful people who gives their

life to the kids they adopt. at the same time on this backdrop of more such cases that were absolutely outrageous. i would add to this that we thought kids adopted not only by the u.s. citizens. we saw it in spain and england, but i think italy is the largest country, not kids in russia. but we have never had a single case of this type in these countries. there were some reported case recently of abuse. i do not recollect, but they were fully collaborating with rashomon forstmann and their law enforcement was very, very for soul. that was the main problem we have encountered and they do not see any movement to reconsider

that position. >> we did get a little bit of a late start, so we'll have two final questions. first, a gentleman here from the naval academy mnu, man, after having. >> thank you get good evening, ambassador. my question is that the advent of the war and terror, it has become clear that no country can stand on the sidelines, that russia has had trouble of its from chechnya, but it's also been plagued with violent extremism. so basically the modern world today, with some wonderful men in the middle east, where the common common interest to seek to destabilize the middle east. why has russia not signed on with the european partners in european partners for middle eastern partners to help us with the coalition against naval or air assets to help combat isis in the middle east?

[applause] >> a couple of points. even before the united states decided to start noting coalitions, do remember you were thinking for three months or two months. we started supporting our aircraft together with specialist to train iraqis. you were thinking we were keen. so we have been in contact with the iraqi government. we have helped and we are continuing to work. whether we wanted to do within the coalition or outside as a self-sufficient country i think for the time and we can do a lot underground working people, which doesn't mean that we are going to be on collision course

with the united states for the collision and that it helped to create. but sometimes you also need to find some political connotations , people here in the states compare russia and isis is almost comparable challenges do you do if anyone is to be a coalition. it doesn't fare well in political terms thinking about that kind of formations. but that is the most important. we are trying to be helpful. we have been helpful and as i said already today, there are ministers today that and the terrorists seem to have been agreement with the common challenge. >> last question. yes, ma'am. >> mr. ambassador, i understand that a large part of improving

u.s. and russian interrelations is to improve understanding of the action acs. we do in order to encourage our ideals. so it matters of ukraine, according to the u.s. took the long side, according to the u.s. government, it's based on the views of people. can you please define to me with a legitimate government is in your terms. >> what legitimate government is quick >> es. >> where? in ukraine? >> within russia. >> within russia? the russian government is the government that was appointed by the legally elected president and approved by legally elected parliament. that is the procedure in russia. so we are a presidential

republic. not exactly the same way organized as the united states. but significantly with more accent on the parts of a president been for example in average west european countries that are largely parliamentary. so in russia, the president has the power to appoint. the prime minister goes to the parliament seeks approval. thank you. thank you very much. >> thank you for your patience. and for your questions. [applause] >> on behalf of everyone, mr. ambassador, i thank you for what was on many levels

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home. my story always starts with my parents who emigrated in the 1950s. they settled in california and this is where i was my whole life. we've been married for 23 years living right here for the last 19. our daughter just started her senior year of high school in iran on three simple promises to introduce and help pass the budget for no pay. a lot of members of congress don't do their job and pass a responsible budget they shouldn't get paid. i promised not to take any pay raises and work across the aisle to get sacramento county working again. i kept that promise and i promised not to take a pension and make sure that we protect social security from being privatized. i kept that promise. it's my honor to work for the last 19 years and to be your member of congress these past two. >> moderator: now time for mr. ose. ose: when my wife and i sit and talk about the future for our children and our country to

be over things that individual can make a difference, hard work pays off, that we are all in this together and we need to get to work very a decidedly today my confidence in the country is shaken because washington is broken. the economy hasn't created jobs and it's uncertain whether it ever will. obamacare isn't working and it's costing us jobs. our water is being sent south. my hope is that we will fix those things. congressman bera has put politics before people in advocating for things that are adverse to the district. to paraphrase a candidate from the 2012 trusting him to solve these problems is like trusting a burglar to stay in your house while you are out of time and expecting better things are there when you get back. >> your time is up.

appreciate the opening statements. there are no rebuttals. it is time to move on to questions from the panel. the candidates were not shown these questions in advance and had no say in deciding the topics. each will have 90 seconds to answer the questions and also 30 seconds for a rebuttal. we only have an hour so i'm going to be strictly enforcing those time limits. the first question goes to doug ose and will be asked by marian. >> you mentioned the affordable care act in your opening statement and said that you support the repeal that you would keep certain aspects such as coverage despite existing conditions but i wonder what your plan is for the millions of californians that now have old insurance under the exchange. what would your plan do for them? ose: obamacare is failing to address the needs and it's costing jobs through all sorts

of sectors dealing with small business and the like. they promised we would be able to keep our doctor and that is proving to be untrue. the president promised health care would go down and that's turned out to not be true. and while there are a couple of things in the 3,000 pages of the affordable care act that have merit and the vast majority of the bill is not consistent with the needs of this country what we need to do is make sure people can have coverage for pre-existing conditions and that we allow them to shot across the state lines to get the best deal and allow them to pick their own doctor. the problem is that obamacare is killing jobs and if you don't have a job, you can't afford to pay for the health insurance but you so desperately need. i'm in favor of repealing it and replacing it with something that works but doesn't kill jobs. the other thing that concerns me

about obamacare is that the legislation strips $716 billion from medicare purchase a safety net for seniors have come to rely upon. that bad policy. if i were a senior and my representative for proposing that and defending that i would be seriously concerned about whether they really were worried about my interest. >> let's address that matter. it's déjà vu all over again. two years ago the congressman made the same claim. your ads have made that same claim. congressman how many times does somebody have to call something a lie for you stopped telling his? i look at the affordable care act and as a doctor i've taken care of far too many patients that may have lost their jobs and show up in the clinics the

last 19 years and they may show up because they found a -- you can see the fear on their face and you want to work this out. the affordable care act is not the solution that i would have come up with but it is the loss. let's fix it and make it better. that's why i've worked across the aisle to come up with a no-nonsense solution working with republicans like the release activist lowers the cost of care to the sacramento county family and that would be $600 a year on average. contrast that with what the congressman wants to do. he wants to go back to the kind of health care companies were in charge and women could be charged more than men and if you had an element you could be denied coverage. let's fix this and make it better.

bera: the washington planes that have been given the affordable care act strips $716 billion from medicare funding going forward that's the congressional budget office number and in addition the consequence of the affordable care act is that people get moved onto medicaid and doctors are refusing to take medicated now because the reimbursement is too long and you are costing people coverage congress and. >> that is blatantly false. they said that was a false statement that if you want to keep repeating that you can go ahead and do it. it's about making sure women don't get charged more than men and they can be denied coverage. i want to move forward.

>> moderator: the next question is for congressman bera. >> moderator: you pledge to create jobs by slowing over jobs lost. the unemployment rate is still 7.4%, the fourth largest in the nation. what have to done in the last two years to create jobs in the region and what are you going to do if we send them back to washington? bera: the middle class was hit hard by this recession and people can talk about the economic recovery but for a lot of the families they are still living paycheck to paycheck and the economy hasn't recovered. that's why when i ran i wasn't going to take any pay raises until we got the sacramento county working again. i kept that promise and here are some things we've done. it's the biggest federal project in the country right now.

it's going to help us with our drought and help protect the community. we have shown that small business owners that they can access capital to the small business administration and how they can use the census to send this data to plan their expansions of business and we work with major employers like intel. those are major manufacturers and we worked closely to get locomotive contacts. we were hit hard by this recession into the congressman when he was a member of congress voted for tax breaks for companies that shift jobs overseas and that isn't going to help us recover. we have to create demand reward companies that have jobs in america. >> moderator: with me to

having to create jobs? ose: the question was about the pledge to create jobs. the purpose of which was to meet with small business owners and educate them about tools and the federal government and things they can do. it's such an important thing and this pledge means so much they didn't show up for the workshop. 90% of the job and you didn't show up for your workshop brought all the small business owners in and then you didn't show up to take the testimony or the input. i've been a small business owners since the owner since the day that i got out of college. i know what it aims to sign the front of a paycheck and it's not

easy. small business is not getting the assistance it needs for the congressman in today's environment and that needs to change. just as an aside the programs that you've been advocating for like the affordable care act you may not be aware that we got a bill two weeks ago for $25 million because they want to provide health insurance to their employees. >> moderator: congressman bera text bera: we have great people creating over 30,000 thousand jobs that the jobless rate and the unemployment rate is still too high. too many families are struggling. it's important in my office and the core to our job to work with those small business owners so we do workshops. my staff direction is to be

there to work on behalf of the people that live here and i'm proud of that. that is part of our job. >> moderator: an opportunity for the last rebuttal? bera: advertising a small business workshop ten, 12, 15 business owners showed up and he didn't. this is called a representative government for a reason. if you call small business owners and you want to give them the courtesy of listening to the testimony. >> moderator: the next question goes to mr. ose. >> moderator: you have two daughters in college so what steps you think congress should take for those that can't afford college? ose: if it is a great question. i know my younger daughter is your age. first thing we need to do is get this economy rolling so the kids in high school and college today can finish their education with

a certainty that when they get done they need to come out and get a job there chosen profession jobs are at risk. this is a function of the policies and nancy pelosi and the congressman half past and continue to pass that have adverse to the interest. we need to figure out what it is we need in this economy and to find a way to incentivize us to advance our economic needs. i know that he shares my view on this but you see the system recently changed its process to increase the number of overseas out-of-state solicitation they

make for student enrollment i just kind of went away to minute we pay for the system and they ought to be for our kids not for somebody out-of-state. the school can come out and get good jobs and afford to pay the debt they otherwise incur. >> moderator: how can the college be addressed next bera: i went to the schools to the year's worth of college work along the way and went to the undergrad med school. $393 a quarter to go to med school. can you believe that? our daughter is a senior and it doesn't cost that today. if you have the desire and the

ability you are guaranteed the ability to go to college. the system is one of our greatest assets in the state. so yes we have to fight to make sure that we keep interest rates down on student loans but how did it go from $393 a quart or i was playing them into a university to let the kids today pay to go to medical school $40,000 a year and maybe even hired an mac now. we have to get to the root cause and start bringing the cost of education down. that's the investment is made in this. i'm only here because of the education that i received and i know none of that was a handout. i worked hard to get where i am at this state and nation made of the investment and we have to start investing again in your generation. there's no greater there is no greater investment that we can make in our young people. >> moderator: mr. ose? ose: i want to go back to this

agreement about the value of the system and things like that. they told them to use their influence to reverse this disproportionate assignment to the out-of-state or foreign students and we also have the ability as members of congress to exercise the ability to control cost. we need to do that and it is appropriate for the members of congress. >> moderator: what do you think about that? bera: these are public universities. i was the associate dean of admissions at the medical school and we are paying for the public universities here and our students in california should be given priority to go to those schools. now, i can't tell the regions what to do but i do use the bully pulpit and in fact we started by caucus with the republicans, one of my colleagues, and this is the california public high your

education caucus since the community colleges and state schools because we have to advocate for that. >> moderator: thank you. appreciate that. marianne to your next question for the congressman. >> moderator: california is in the midst of the drought and farmers have the fields on a planted in the central valley running dry in the global cities on the ground water yet there is no agreement in washington on the legislation to assist california. you mentioned the project but what else are you doing to help the region and the state cope with the drought wax bera: this is unprecedented and it is affecting every family. it's affecting our economy and food prices. we have been working from day number one to try to address this. we are working with folks at the agencies and reduced to their lowest levels and we've been able to keep them down. we got the funding down that

will allow us to hold onto more water during the dry years and then we obviously have a flood risk so it will keep our community more safe but we have to do more. the congressman and i agree on a lot. we have to increase the storage capacity. we have done dozens of workshops working with the residents of the community and the water districts to let people know what they can do as well in sacramento county residents. we have ways to go. long term though, we have to make sure that if we fight against the tunnels the government wants to build, i've been working with my colleagues and we've taken a lead against them because it doesn't create additional water. we also have to have smart plans. the climate has changed. my opponent thinks that the climate science is sketchy and that's why he believes it has.

so we have to come up with new ways to catch water, store it and move the water. >> moderator: mr. ose? ose: i wish a member of congress had the ability to make it rain but they don't. but they do have the ability to get the bureau of reclamation to reduce the outflow from the dam at the time when we are at historical lows in terms of rainfall. i worked on that for the past 15 months i've been talking about reducing the outflow from the full sum damn because of the possibility that we are going to need that and here we are. the congressman has declined to make any efforts to reduce the outflows. he has today or recently come out in opposition to the tunnels which is what he was in 2010 when he was in favor of the tunnels to read my problem here is that we need solutions. we have to protect what are resources and to stop spending

it excuse me, stopped sending it to sound. additional releases constitute taking our water into sending itself to los angeles. the congressman hasn't spoken up on this and hasn't picked up the phone to talk to the bureau about reducing the outflow. that's why we are sending out thousands per hour more. that has to stop. >> moderator: reducing outflows from your chance to respond? ose: they reduced it to the lowest levels possible. we kept those levels at very low levels. we talk about constant basis with the bureau with the water agencies.

we are in a very severe drought and that's why i fought against the republican plan but wants to take the water and moving south. >> moderator: your chance to respond? ose: i remember when the spokesperson was in front of the building and said members of congress don't usually contact us to talk about what are releases. i was in direct response to the comments that i had made and after i made them you said nothing. a member of congress has the ability to do that and congressman bera hasn't stepped up and done his job. >> moderator: >> moderator: thank you gentlemen. if anybody does know how to make it rain please go ahead and let us know. dan smith from the b. for mr. ose. >> moderator: the california business groups called the house republicans to support an

immigration bill that not only secures the border, but provides a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants. if elected, will you encourage the house republican leadership to support this approach and please, tell us why or why not. bera: the speaker supports the reform of our immigration law. congressman bera knows that, i know that. i think the first step we need to take on immigration is to secure our borders and ports of entry to prevent additional individuals coming in here that we don't know who they are or where they come from. the problem is that the folks in leadership on the democratic side was the lieutenant a a last time the country tried country tried to become the reforming immigration in the mid-80s and they were part and parcel of the passage of the 86 reform not implementing the republican side of the deal. so the problem that we have is there is no faith that

mrs. pelosi or any of the others are actually going to do anything that they will sit at the table and do both sides of the deal. that's what republicans are worried about is that this comprehensive immigration but the congressman is about to talk about, it is undefined. it doesn't allow us to control who comes in. and i do want to add one thing. i know congressman bera's parents immigrated from india. that's a good thing. they came here legally. i'm delighted. for here even given the circumstances. but the fact of the matter is we need to start by securing the border. >> i'm glad my parents are here as well. we have been dealt as a nation of it emigrants but we have to

solve this cans of immigration bill and problem. we agree agree what to secure our borders. i'm a cosponsor of the comprehensive immigration bill that passed in a bipartisan way out of the senate. it also starts to address the larger immigration issues. we should want the best and brightest come here the brightest to come here but we should also want them to create those jobs here. this is the bill that will add over $100 billion. it's supported by the business community in a bipartisan light and it is a good bill. it's been that you didn't say that if you would cosponsor the bill. i think that's a smart approach and a good thing to do.

>> i just need a definition of what comprehensive means. it means all the folks that are here illegally are given amnesty and citizenship and that's what he's after. i am not prepared to go that far. i want to have the border secure and then a dispassionate discussion about how we improve the system and that's how we need to move forward. >> comprehensive means let's secure our borders and make sure that we get the best and the brightest but we let them stay here and let's address the issue and passed the comprehensive pass the comprehensive immigration bill supported by the business and by pretty much everyone. >> moderator: it is now time to move on and we will give the panelists a break and let each candidate ask each other a

question. by claim costs to represent are represented as 90 seconds to respond with a 32nd response. >> you voted to protect the legislation that strips $716 billion of future funding for medicare recipients. why do you do that? that's bad policy. >> it is déjà vu all over again. we will leave that up to the media to decide if that is a lie or not. when it comes to medicare i look at this as a doctor. we have to do everything we can not only to protect medicare and to strengthen it and make sure not just for today's seniors but also the kids and grandkids. that's why i fought against the attempts to medicare.

the president of my own party wanted to cut medicare advantage. i stood up and pushed back because medicare advantage is working and offering preventive services into diagnosing the disease earlier. we fought back and rallied folks democrat and republican and we one. that's because this is about protecting medicare. you supported a program that ends the medicare guarantee as we know it. this is about making sure that our parents have the care they need. >> do you have an opportunity to respond? you voted to cut the dollars from the medicare, the nonpartisan congressional budget office that works for congress

and says this bill cuts $716 billion on the medicare funding. i don't understand why you can't say why you stripped of funding ten times. my parents, your parents, neighbors. they are all going to be thrown. >> we need to move onto the next question. >> in your terms in congress can you name three vote where you stood up to the wall street anchors? first is when they decided that they wanted to hide behind the law and not disclose who they were giving money. i was a cosponsor of mccain-feingold are allowed americans to know where the money comes from and to whom it

goes. in contrast out of taking the money and granting the exemption in the affordable care act the other items i stood up to wall street on have to do with their desire to have a special treatment and special provisions for their unique enterprises, something that you have routinely and regularly voted to defend. you are not only carved out an exemption for your self in the affordable care act you also carved an exemption for wall street. i don't understand what your loyalty is to wall street.

you have an opportunity for a short reply. >> he couldn't even name one vote because he is protecting wall street banks. he voted to read regulate and it took us into this recession. i'm going to stand up for the middle-class and that middle class and that is what this election is about. >> it's now time to move to the panel questions and we will be asked by michelle. bera california created the work on the campuses of the absence of no doesn't mean consent for sex. assault isn't just a california issue but a national one. you be the congress should adopt a similar policy?

domestic violence has gotten out of control and we agree on that. we are both supporters of the violence against women's act. i'm sure she looks at the same way that i do. we have to make sure women are protected and that's why i have to pass the act that protects all women. >> including the threat of violence against women i'm delighted that the california legislature passed into and the governor signed with your referring to. this has been a thing in my previous public service but we cannot allow inappropriate behavior on our campuses.

violence provided funding to address the issues through local law enforcement and the like. i was among six republicans to vote in favor of that. one in six. there is a provision that requires different campuses and universities to provide reports on the incidences of such crimes some comply and some do not. i think that it's appropriate for members of congress to insist. the reason they don't do it has to do with the fact they do not want to put out in public adverse information for future students and their families to consider when they get around to thinking about college. this is right at the foundation of representative government. you will either stand up and try to address this, or you shouldn't be in office.

>> moderator: it sounds like the yes means yes law should be nationwide. would you move on or like a rebuttal. bera: we have republicans willing to work together and put people first and put our kids first. >> we will have live on to the next question. >> moderator: the crisis became more real for americans today when the first person to be diagnosed with the virus in the u.s. died and also today the obama administration announced it would begin screening for the disease at several u.s. airports. what additional action should the government take to make sure the public is safe with regards to hospitals and transportation systems bera: the government under the bush administration adopted rules that were in place until 2010 the plaintiff which was to

allow allow screening for other various diseases break out in terms of trying to keep it from coming to the united states. they went back to what existed before so essentially we were defenseless at this point. which the three american survivors who were airlifted out of liberia and there wasn't a single question posed by those people about what particles need to be adopted to protect this country from having ebola affect our population. i think that the administration has stepped up and finally started taking it seriously.

i applaud them for that and i wish they had done it weeks ago when it first broke out in august if i recall because i think we would be farther along making sure the homeland is protected. >> moderator: are we beyond the eight ball on the ebola? bera: post-9/11 we did a lot of work when we worried about anthrax or potential smallpox and how you get ahead of things and contented and triage. i was on the phone with the head of the cdc last week. i've been paying very close attention to ebola as a health expert. in that conversation got he reassured us that we are safe here but we do have to scream at -- step up the screening mechanisms. we have a turkic public-health infrastructure but we have to

scream at people in the country and south africa and also work with border and customs agents in america to make sure if people are developing symptoms that we are identifying them. if we want to get ahead of ebola asked to have been in africa and i appreciate the president sending some resources to build those isolations and so forth. it's incredibly important but again we have a public health infrastructure that's positive and that will help us -- we don't need to panel at this juncture. i support the president's plan. >> ebola is bipartisan and affects everybody. my point is i stipulate that congressman bera knows more about public health than i do.

he's through a he didn't ask a single question about the protocols necessary to protect the homeland. there is a specific address to you in the hearing. ose: is then working with the cdc. they are the preeminent healthcare organization in the world and that is the world health organization and they are taking the lead. bera you mentioned protocols but i'm curious what protocol specifically you would support restricting flights from west

africa? >> moderator: protecting the homeland is the number one job for the federal government and its collective representatives and if that involves under the circumstances that hopefully the cdc will share with us yes i would restrict the flight and i do think that the testing at the plaintiff deportation this is a serious threat that cannot be dismissed because you didn't read your national security briefing or you were not willing to ask questions. this is something members of congress need to jump in and get their hands all over. >> i agree congress has to take this very seriously. i would step up the screening in country so that before people get on the flight i would work

stands border security here in our homeland when people and to also do the screening and again in conversation with doctor frieden that is a critical put in place. >> moderator: now a question for congressman bera. >> congress hasn't updated its authorization yet the united states is conducting airstrikes. we asked readers. it's more likely i will be killed by a drunk driver, colonel mentally ill and by terrorists. you think going after the islamic state is a effective use of our military dollars. they are terrorists and they are the worst of the worst.

this is a challenge that has to be dealt with by the people in that region. i did support the presidents limited airstrikes and because we have to degrade isis we have to come back them but i'm against putting the ground forces in the middle east again. we've been down that road against iraqi people have to be willing to fight for their country. they have to be willing to do it and the saudi's and others have to be willing to do it. i also think that the au mf has to retire to beat cut expire and as the limited authorizations. contrast that and we were at a forum last week or two weeks ago

and at the same issue came out. you were in congress and voted for the biggest foreign policy failure foreign-policy failure of our lifetime, the iraq war. you talked about wanting to put troops on the ground again. in my mind that is the approach. ose: you are not listening last saturday's authorization to use military force, 2002 which was given to president bush on the same circumstances and the same set of facts i would go ahead and vote for it again because protecting the homeland and preventing people from getting away with killing 3,000 americans is a responsibility of the federal government. i wish that those like congressman bera has stepped forward when we were confronted

with 9/11 and told us everything we do is we wouldn't have made the mistakes we did but we didn't have his counsel at the time and at a loss for the entire country. i do really the president hasn't paid attention and it's manifested itself into something quite serious that's going to require a joint effort and i am concerned the efforts on the international front or failing to create the coalition that will address the real question every expert has said which is we have to have boots on the ground. i'm really tired of the war but in these jobs you can be tired but you still have to confront it. this is in the national security issue that we face. i'm hoping that we get to number one which is the possibility of iran obtaining nuclear weapons and that cannot be allowed to happen. >> moderator: you have the

opportunity to reply. bera: i will get the benefit of 2002 but in hindsight, knowing what we know today was the vote to authorize the iraq war a mistake? >> moderator: you can reply. ose: number one security issue rather than talking about something ten or 12 years ago remains the possibility that iran is going to get nuclear arms. we have had a parade from the president and allies in congress like congressman bera. it remains the internet of chamberlain in the 30s. they are to be trusted. the reality of them having an inoperable nuclear weapon is a catastrophe and he has done nothing to address that. >> the next question for mr. ose

>> the images and ferguson were impossible to ignore and we have the increased militarization of the police forces. these military grade weapons are supplied by the federal government. do you agree the local police are becoming too militarized why or why not? it affects everybody's life on a daily basis. that's the kind of question that i like to deal with. we've a history of providing assistance and discharge into them equipment in the military that is out of service or out of date and tservice or out of date and there are areas that discharges or prevent excessive and we need to carefully examine the parameters that we release this. law-enforcement is against the wall and we have to protect the

schools and families and they are increasingly well armed with have legalistic bent. i don't want to send the law-enforcement out the situation by the orders of magnitude so i'm very sensitive to how we address that and what happened is a tragedy. i'm hoping that the attorney general task force will share with us the facts in a timely manner and if somebody's done something wrong than they need to be held accountable. >> i don't want to see tanks rolling down the streets of sacramento with battalion uniforms. i agree. law-enforcement is doing a wonderful job. they have a tough job but i don't want to see the

militarization of the law law-enforcement. the other issue and ferguson is the issue of race relations and we have seen a number of incidences it reminds us we have a long way to go on race relations. we are not there where we need to be. we have a long way to go and it is a reminder you're original question is i don't want to see the militarization of the local officers. ose: that reflects a lack of understanding of the kind of situations the local law-enforcement finds itself increasingly understanding that happened that was a tragedy and equipment was used that shouldn't have been used. the fact remains that in the neighborhoods and communities there are people who are significantly heavier armed than the law-enforcement people and we have to find a way to protect

our neighborhoods and people. >> i'm a strong supporter we work closely with the sheriffs and local law enforcement agencies and they needed the equipment they need but i don't think they need heavy armored vehicles and so forth. many would agree. >> there is federal legislation to limit the amount of equipment going from the federal government and pentagon to local police departments. it sounds like you would support that legislation. are you familiar with the legislation if it has reasonable limitations i would support it but i do want to make sure that the listening audience is aware i have a long-standing history in the community and i'm endorsed by the district attorney and by the sheriff and the law-enforcement union groups they know that when i talk to them i talk to them straight and

they know if i say that's unreasonable they know i mean that they also note that i deliver. >> moderator: we will have one responds each. >> moderator: more oil is coming into california and about a fifth of that is the highly flammable oil after several disastrous occasions state lawmakers have made an attempt to approve public safety but if they've federal issue. what would you do to increase the safety moving through the community? bera: they come right down the middle of sacramento, right down the middle. if one of them were to explode, that would be a disaster. we've been pushing the department to be more transparent with with its athletes with local agencies and let us know when they are moving through and i support working with the state and with the what

the state is doing increasing standards. first and foremost we have to keep the community safe and if peace time bombs are going through at least let us know when they are coming through but we have to think about how to make this more safe. >> i support the efforts to advise the communities of the safety questions invites any enough accidents to know that that can quickly get out of control and was shaken out of my bed in 1972 when the bombs went off and had been ignited by the rail car to fire so i have more than a personal experience in this. one of the things we need to do in proving and picking up the skin on the outside we need to get the railroads to go back into the rail beds and fix the foundation on which they are sent. that's the primary safety issue

that it doesn't matter how thick the sites are the cars are going to go over and we will have a catastrophe. >> we are out of time for questions this evening and we need to move on to closing statements. the representative gets to go first. bera: i want to thank the audience and those watching on television. you saw two different visions of leadership tonight line is leading by example. when i ran for congress iran on three simple promises to introduce and help pass go budget and no pay and if they passed a responsible budget they don't get paid and i kept that promise. i promised to fight against efforts to privatize social security and i would return my pension until we strengthen social security and medicare and i promise not to take any pay raises and work across the aisle to get sacramento county working

again. i kept that promise. that is leadership by example. contrast that with the member of congress he took multiple pay raises. he voted for tax breaks for companies that shift our jobs overseas and he voted to privatize social security. tonight we talk about the biggest failure of the foreign policy in our lifetime. he didn't move away from the boat even knowing what we know today. it's been an honor serving for the last 19 years as a doctor. it's been my privilege being your member of congress to pass to. i would be honored to have your vote on november 4. letting me spend this hour with you and in your homes this hour. leadership matters ladies and gentlemen. we see that across the country

and around the world. right now, we don't have it. washington is broken and our country is on the wrong track. the congressman is in washington and he's not doing anything to change the direction of policy or our prospects. he's voted he has voted to increase taxes by $2.6 trillion those of you that own a home he's voted to take away the mortgage interest deduction and $716 billion away from medicare funding over the next ten years. he's voted to increase fuel taxes on the gas we buy for our cars and pickups. he's done nothing to protect our water and he's been silent patrolling the releases that amount to thousands of gallons per second that we but we desperately need and he sends its south. that isn't leadership that is

abdication. i have a record in this community of getting things done using real-world experience. i am asking you tonight to join me in a request to get the country back on track. we can do this. leadership matters. god bless the united states of america. >> thank you, congressman i think you'll agree we covered a lot of ground and we gave our folks something to think about on the various issues and i also want to say thank you to the esteemed panelists from capital public radio and from the sacramento bee. thank you to the studio audience tonight. they did keep the applause down as we also want to thank the viewers at home make sure that you are informed now. you heard from both candidates it's now your job to go out and vote on november 4. it i. [applause]

♪ how should we deal with the epidemic senator roberts? the ebola epidemic shows how we should should really secure the border and not be granting amnesty. but i issued a statement just a couple of days ago. why can't we do now would we know we will have to do down the road and that is to have a quarter and team on africa, stop the traffic of the air traffic

from west africa to the united states. we also want to get the best and brightest into the country the fastest weekend. the world health organization just said that if we do not take action within the next 60 days we could lose 10,000 people a week. that's a humanitarian disaster. but again, this all goes back to isis, ebola and the other problems that we see on the border. we must support the border and the national security of our fellow americans. >> moderator: thank you, sir. mr. speeelven? orman: we need a coordinated response that does include doesn't include sending the best and the brightest over to west africa to deal with that problem. i also believe that we should suspend air travel with west africa for the time being until the crisis is contained. but this goes back this goes back to sort of a crisis in leadership. senator roberts has come back

and has made some strong statements about ebola but it cannot be other day that when he was in washington last month, he skipped a hearing on the virus. i think that it is inappropriate here yet when you had an opportunity to do something about it you chose to skip the hearing and i think that is a problem. >> moderator: rebuttal, senator roberts? roberts: nothing of substance came of it. we had a crisis of leadership all right with regards to this whole situation. i think the administration boasts especially the president has been two steps behind and asleep at the wheel. we ought to do now -- he just said he would have a much more aggressive program. we don't know what it is yet but we will have a more aggressive rogue ran because the president said we have to look to this for this kind of leadership and we

are looking for his plan or his strategy. we don't know it yet but we have to do this and we have to do it now. >> moderator: rebuttal? orman: the crisis is on both sides of the aisle. senator while you didn't attend the hearing is also come out you didn't attend to out of other three hearings in the agriculture committee that you want to lead someday so i think that crisis of leadership is a crisis of leadership that you share, too, sir. ..