debt. he didn't sell it or put it in the hard drive and let it rest in peace in theory and yet someone was collecting on this debt still. so i called the agency. i wrote them a letter actually that i contacted theresa and i said i have a quandary about these calls you are baking to this woman because they are threatening to sue her. what is your claim to ownership for this debt? i didn't think i would hear from anyone and if i could hear from someone i would hear from someone who might have a chop shop in buffalo. it turns out i talked to the owner who lived in beverly hil hills. ..

>> >> on the larger level one is for the resources number two the banks have to be more careful to make sure the information is correct. and number three, the committee to change the way because of the default judgments and garnishments

are causing problems. >> host: thanks for coming here today and writing this book to bringing the stories of individuals on all sides of the spectrum and what they can do and what should be done at the higher level. and i congratulate you. i read this in a very quick sitting and could not stop reading it. thanks for coming here tonight. >> guest: thanks so much.

ronald kessler discusses was secret service agents have revealed of presidents over the years and the recent scandals involving the agency. he spoke in washington d.c.. this is about 50 minutes. >> thanks very much it is a pleasure to be here. as you can tell i write about secret subjects and

very challenging subjects to society. the maybe perverse it would be too easy and would not want to do it that when i did a book and revealed the archivist defected to the fbi and it affects the cia. said last their heard from inside the fbi they reopened the investigation. and they sent agents out to my house. but having written several books for the fbi in have covered them to think anew

with a look-alike is silly but there was a ring and it was a very quiet place and i opened the door there these two very intense young looking young man and i said i have been expecting you. come in and they elected me strangely. hint they thought i planted the individual ran across the white house lawn. that is not true but i did predict a lot of the scandals that we see now it isn't the agency but the

management that has created a culture with the myth that the secret service is invincible and even and point out potential threats. but they really get to know the real character of our readers and that can be shocking. hillary clinton is so nasty to agents in particular it is actually considered a forerunner of punishment is the worst assignment in the secret service to said she is compassionate by yet behind the scenes she looks of those people with

content. what does that tell you about her character? and what they promise on tv or the same criteria a friend or a new employee or anybody in our lives. never associate with someone or people who do help them with the nastiness for contempt. also looking at the track record what have they done or accomplished or not? that is what we learn of lot a totally a political book that says president obama met initial obama treats

agents with respect and consideration. on the other hand, they have overheard michelle obama to side with black and racial controversies. joe biden first of all, whites to skiddy dip which offends the the real secrets -- a secret service agents and also his own in delaware. but more seriously when he goes back several times a week, he will order agents to keep the nuclear football behind in the motor kai -- motorcade he does not want the big motorcade but meanwhile if president obama

were taken now we would be defenseless against a nuclear attack because they're not the time for the football to catch up with joe biden to a nation the retaliatory strike. on top of all that, it has cost taxpayers $1 million for bisons trips back and forth to wilmington. sometimes of a few times a year but he does of have a vice presidents residents repaid four including five navy stewards' including making pastries every night. using is sometimes as a personal taxi sometimes twice in one day or just to play golf. and it cost $1 million. since biden took office so

that is the of hypocrisy that goes on in the book "the first family detail". in contrast president reagan was one of the nicest president's to spend time with agents. whenever he went to air force one to go into the cockpit you would agree to the pilots where jimmy carter did that once in his whole term. pretended to be a pinafore vervet he told his agents it was too much bother to say hello in the morning to a human being. as soon as the cameras were gone sometimes he would come

in at 5:00 in the morning to tell the press office to tell the press he was working hard at 5:00 a.m. but he would fall asleep on the sofa. these are character traits that are not always obvious to the public and secret in many cases that when redo know we need to pay attention. reagin one day going into the elevator and an aide came up and said donna rice affair with gearhart was going to be in the paper the next day and reagan said boys will be a voice and

then he said the boys will not be president as he got out. after being diagnosed with alzheimer's to said there must me a positive side that maybe i will meets the new friend every day. that was his optimism. the book reveals the reason john hinckley pitch to president reagan is that the reagan white house staff overruled the secret service to a spectator's within 15 feet as he came out of the building and screened and the secret service did not want that but they caved to what the reagan white house wanted. ironically it was his own staff that really caused the assassination attempt. it is confirmed on the record by the agent who was

assigned to teach at the facility and also who did the report for the department as a general counsel within treasury. the report never said it was the reagan white house staff that was responsible but it was confirmed on the record that is exactly what happened. going back lyndon johnson was totally out of control. he would sit on the toilet and defecate as he was being briefed and hold a press conference at his ranch in texas and friends of the mill reporters the allied air force one he would strip

naked as soon as he got on to the airplane with his own daughters and wife care on the airplane. one day when he was vice president johnson was late with an appointment for jfk and about 5:00 p.m. it was rush hour. so he told secret service to drive up on the sidewalk to get there faster and he refused and then johnson said you are fired for care of that well-known every day. he wasn't the president he would be in a mental hospital but it is true we trust them under his direction to decide who is a maniac.

when you peel back that area you find we really have made for judgments to electing our presidents and vice presidents. the secret service despite the recent publicity over all did a good job. when they get a of a threat into one of three categories class three as the intent to carry out the assassination and has the ability and in that case agents will stay away. on the other hand,.

but it turns out after the investigation the most likely the person will not be prosecuted because it is a crime to threaten the president. with president h. debut bush greeting people at the white house but a few days later finding now bush was doing this then after that agents noticed the classic lone assassin individual who fits the profile and and everybody else is wearing

summer clothes she is wearing the winter overcoat for. you had a rifle but one of the most bizarre stories when it going to do emit oklahoma when he was campaign. sarah talks to of law-enforcement that said there is the second town that bent in the rebel in the past. the agents were embarrassed to take them seriously but they did.

>> friends came over i said the air force base. can you show us? they went out there and pointed to a warning. win. >> but a sport jacket and a sport sure was nice. they did tell headquarters but the next morning they went to greet bush and sure enough he was raising a sport jacket and a sport shirt and a shiver ran down their spines inveighed decided to defer the motorcade to not go innate under overpass. of course, bush was saved but never told he learned

about of for the first time in this book but that is one of more bizarre stories in this book as well as our agents to their job. if he goes out of town tuesday and a photo not only to make sure nobody else is of a guest with the president stays before but even on the floor above or below. and they will check out the suite where the president will stay even a tv that could be of a surveillance device they would get rid of the telephone only in the hotel because the nectar or celebrity was there and they tried to book them. search through the carpet's to look for the explosive

devices or detonating devices and also they will check out local hospitals and exit routes and save houses such as the firehouse where they might go if the event of a chemical attack. it was quite involved. however in the book ago into a new culture with the wind homeland's security to over secret service, a caddying access with the military but because we have berrigan's prepare you saw that with the secret service director.

that when the white house centered and for exercising restraint shows the arrogance of the secret service that we would fall for this baloney thinking that they had done a good job. at the same time the secret service lied that guns all this was stopped at the door and that was some light

obviously not paying attention. i don't know why but by the legal definition obama just left and therefore taken out and simply cannot wait to intel believes with and one agent who was off-duty was taken down. another item in the book the "washington post" picks up on without credit in the book is to sell some 11 there were shots fired at the rye house.

but she says she was afraid to push the point and this again goes to the culture of the secret service manager in. not the agents but the management that really punishes agents for raising any questions whatsoever. barrels cover-up and really it was a rotten culture the county be changed by an outside director but they made me to be more focus and made it clear that britain

to focus on the individual's and to an even to have those attacks stinson -- from 9/11 does is set free by but they are not doing their job. just to briefly just to touch on my previous book the secrets of the fbi that reveals how the plants

devices without getting caught and shot hamburgers. they is absorbed within a major case for care of but if they do the agents are worth less they have police officers stopped them to give them a ticket and if they have the traffic accident.

but is a betty coming year? they don't want rekeying dogs. that will also cut down on the dust is sitting on a coffee table or desk. but by the way i have incredible cooperation through this personally. showing me the size of the postage stamp their record or transmit. so they learn how to control elevators so i look back at the roof.

get back on the elevator but let's say they want to put the bug in the home they put in house them blowing up into a huge piece of time so basically anyone thinks that is the house will also have one that opens up

speenineteen we're going to work. >> bet but we weren't here all night but the best way is putting the drugs into them i came back and went away and there were two benches. and then they're running from the bus these to ran

and of first we did them realize if they were not reform. with this sacred team that breaks for those and i could see those. it is in the book the secrets to the fbi. but then they said but behalf lia's scared. the agents that i am having enough trouble. then another agent has a shot dead on his shoulder. and then finally the agents retired but then nobody ever

heard from again. when it comes to the secret service budget that is only one place $6 billion per year of the protection of the president and vice president actually 40 individuals altogether. >> i know it is ridiculous. and the secret service is like a car without the route change. they don't actually refuse

were detecting there are insurer years. now they just use to obtain devices. their refuse to put the by susan for gunshots and we saw that with the secret service did not realize until the white house was shot up even the d.c. police they're not keeping up-to-date with the latest or arms the fbi has more powerful weapons now is a time for agents to qualify for firearms or read qualification. i asked agents to fill up their own test scores because that would never be tolerated so that training

center that i had been to there is a description in my book and she wrote under cover washington about spying in washington where they go around and they have a scenario to detect explosives and then they show these scenarios that is spontaneous and secretly when congress goes out there so everyone knows the answer. nothing is worse than any law enforcement agency. and to take credit for some

cases that local police have investigated then they take the copy of the report then they include that. is the most poorly managed that you can imagine. but one of the more shocking examples is under pressure from white house staff and campaign staff. it is just like letting the passengers and but secret service mainly because it

has no business caving to resulted in the assassination and then on a regular basis it is negligence. but based on my previous book i wrote in the op-ed in 2012 so far the biggest scandal the history of secret service are the prostitutes and columbia the story that i wrote but the of media had ignored to cut corners by yet it was the

fact that an arms individual was allowed in the elevator and finally president obama obviously demanded the resignation of the director. but the previous director also should have been. after the party crashers enter the white house state dinner and not on the guest list and another story that i broke. to ignore the fact there were not on the guest list and ignore the fact they did not do a background check. but also one clue is she

were trying to get her agents to take her friends to restaurants. there are to protect but it does not include taking your friends to the restaurant. so what message does that send? it says as it turns out because that's was the case with mary jane. and end of the zero with the

family values as well as general bush and gave him a hard time. just to not understand what security was all about. but at that point had to have confidence in the secret service? and then to just be quiet

what are the agents are protecting president obama at the white house to campaign? and then and then to protect them. then asked a neighbor the secret service has no reason to say the agents to keep his secret and then on top of that and have a story

from 2012 but the agents on top of of that with the confidential law enforcement records again not a violation of law but criminal law to achieve confidential lot of force and a record which they did not have. not only was this a shocking example dereliction of duty by mark sullivan to protect the president but it shows the culture and the effects on the agents. they are real agents better told by the director iowa

just have my assistant. another example in the book this is not hit the press yet, when the actor brad the cooper you probably do but i didn't a high ranking secret service official of new york for a the secure area in front of the hotel and either had to be screened for explosives and then doing across the way house

lawn. anybody could attach explosives to say that brad the cooper is the terrorist to put explosives on the underside of the car. but yet for bread baked tueber and the security people tells them to ignore the most basic procedures you can imagine begin as a very protective president and then bring this to the point to the white house to

regard this is the individual has a gun with the basic protocol he never let anybody with the president unless they have been screened with the secret service. and in the obama chooses the visual the failure to replace it is the classic failure and is impressed by his own agents that this represents the secret service. croswell was allies of his own family.

and then he is part of may agency doing a job. to shake it up to change the culture but to be a monumental task. and then to the spineless and as in so the needed reform. and then considering it to be a road map.

as well as the readers and that is something we need to wake up to and pay attention to character and track record in that is a way that we choose presidents and over and over we are disappointed. so the most important message in this book. >> you explain that high level of frustration with the secret service agent? even just from your briefing with the initiatives the many other organization for

the agency either fitting into the president's room. >> is there a level of frustration? you believe that there is. but leaving get cooperation from the secret service but they are outraged that jobs are at stake when to reject the assistant they felt they were violating the law they blew a whistle or stood up for what was right bet is how serious it is.

the other part of the question is hearing the investigation but i remember back when crashing the state dinner on the hill they gave the director a hard time but nothing changed for a saloon in nothing. -- absolutely nothing. what do you bring -- what would you do? un every views or investigations it is simple but you get the right manager in there. as soon as he came in to have briefings one of the

officials over counterintelligence started to mislead about problems which involve a spy case of acidulous. and that sends a message right away. to be honest and do your job. but it is still unfortunate we have to think like that. how many are running businesses as well as men? but it is very, very simple to. >> why do think the fbi is

better than the secret service? >> it has been pushing to get more funding the secret service finally pushing for more funding but to say that likelihood risk what i think should happen the to be sure that would aid be provided it is ridiculous in congress goes along as well the part of the screw up culture the attitude we make do with less. we're proud to spend less money winner they thinking? then you nullify democracy

when you read the word assassination it is unthinkable and sounds terrible but it is very, very possible and i quote '' in the book and two-thirds of the book is on the record one individual not on the record says it is a miracle in as already not been an assassination. the president is very vulnerable with the worst security now of course, now they realize they can overwhelm the white house it is a terrible situation. another difficulty that agents based is many presidents with that advice letter given by the secret service goes touche jfk he

refused to let agents ride in his limousine agents would have jumped on him and push him to the floor and save his life no question whatsoever. with all the conspiracy theories and the talk of screwing up in the ant those who made it possible and abraham lincoln is the same thing he would choose not to have any security right before the assassination he had one d.c. police officer with him that night the one officer decided to have the drink at the local tavern.