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campaign 2014. of our roundtable is stu trevelyan who works for the democrats also joining us is chuck defeo the republican national committee chief additional officer and the publisher of campaigns and elections magazine. what exactly are the components of the digital campaign? >> historically the digital tools are thought of as the e mail tools or the online contribution but it has evolved our company has the issue of the other side of the campaign the canvassing canvassing, calls, direct mail then you see many more marketing challenges come on line with television ads

ads, on-line ads, and interactions are social networks but it is up pretty wide swath now. >> host: chuck defeo anything to add? >> italy starts back in 2002 a the rnc with a first committee to take a voter file to target a specific people we wanted to talk to. we progress that through 2004 through today. through social media or whatever channel it should be in sync with off line as well that is a strategy to motivate your voters. >> host: how has it is financed from the 2012 election? eighty-one with the presidential campaign you saw a couple of campaigns

that have billion dollar budgets and to do that beta testing. so now we see it -- see the statewide campaigns pushing it down into the network into the lower raises to support them with the cutting edge tools that we could not do when years past >> another interesting thing that is happening this cycle that did not happen in 2012 is a relationship data. even deal obama campaign with targeted sharing they did not collect a lot of data. and with the targeted raises of the afl-cio, planned parenthood but to leverage the social capital that they

believed in. and that is all whole new set of data. but they see we're getting to of place in addition to knowing that you can learn who you should target as a messenger to that person. asking peter but jack -- but don't ask chuck to do things anymore that is an area. >> picking up on the discussion of 2012 that is a question of how all the tools and tactics gail. then how are the tactics scaling down by the race's and how are your

organizations involved to employ that? >> we support a republican race in the country so we have multiple tools to motivate the voters that may not have turned out in previous elections. sova do you know, they consistently do turn out but some of those other races make sure that they all show up. but to make sure it is integrated with the voter file. sova digital an offline physical world to make sure the communications but i agree we move from the broadcast sarah but still at the tail end. >> as we evolve moving into

a relationship era if when you build brand advocates someone that is dedicating and getting along with politics in the right messages and even better job to another the right messenger is to deliver that message. >> there is a couple elements. said dnc has 50 state contracts so that is something of the democratic campaign running for city council or senate or presidents that had great advantages moving from one campaign to another. or the planned parenthood

did use the same to will and the second point on the democratic side did a fantastic job touche tradespeople with the leaders in that area? with digital products and data to take those skills down to the state legislative levels and the third piece is the analytics with the obama campaign was a source of the innovation and some of the analytics companies were able to push that down so reaches a small organization and a small campaign so at the congressional level dealing with the anonymous universe

and everybody scores at this point. >> talk about the tools and the tactics by really it is more about the people that seems to be a little different. the talent and the training aspect. chuck defeo, what does the rnc do specifically to close that education gap? because what we know it out of the 2012 cycle is the organization's that have done a lot of that work but now we know there are democratic operatives and have specific experience to apply these tools where republicans are behind. how does the rnc close that gap? >> the more you do it the more you get comfortable with that we have put a permanent ground game in

place this is a shift of the rnc and the chairman has turned the organization to focus it they are embedded in a community and then it is about putting those tools in their hands the uprooting them to use. we can send them off to a two day training which we have done but they get better the more they use it. but as a surge use the tools and in some folks in with those volunteers to come the more professional we will be about a. >> do they need the equivalent is there anything

? >> as there always been some training program? i can go back to when they were training the statehouse candidate as well as the staff there is always institutions in place. they may not get the press says the counterparts with their old ways institutions. >> host: stu trevelyan you talk about analyzing but what exactly are you analyzing online? >> that is one of the challenges. how we focus on the important things? there is all types of information you clicked on what piece of information and where people are coming from.

and then to intersect that with offline in with the target universe and with the on-line advertising universe there's all kinds of data like that. with consumer data what magazine subscriptions that you have been consumer information about likely in, and status and those going into the modeling shops. how likely are you to vote?

that ends up getting action. >> host: what about ethnic groups? >> then is basic it is not just modeling you can go off the information but a drink is anger that you don't necessarily know that much even at a certain age range 45 chorten right now. even if it is 60 / 40 pulis money targeting the age range. >> a question about deal, the 2012 data, with the dnc has the bulk of the. to talk about the slow process to transfer that.

with all the data is being used and what 2014 democratic campaigns make use of that data? >> from deal obama campaign has the basic model that is that combination of the voter file and additional information. and then those ideas there are more ids made by the obamacare paid in any other the ability to look across a wide swath of people to have information on those ideas whether for city council or congress or a senate or a

governor having a big impact because these models introduce a lot of the efficiency it is revolutionary for the small campaigns at the rnc and 2004 spending 250,000? >> we we're doing models two or three times the cycle. >> i think now for a small campaign only spending 50,000 to use of models to determine their candidate is amazing. >> this may sound like an obvious question but for these tactics with that disadvantage they have end

then those run by the obamacare and paid alone. >> they will have different measures of success. our measure of success to have as much impact as we could have had. that we're talking about a couple points talk about your field gaynor your digital gate -- digital game to put you over the top so i am sure jock will be out here when you have those victories that it will take more research to figure out of that was true or not. >> host: chuck defeo over at the rnc the chief digital

officer is the digital campaign different than a normal campaign? >> it has always been a reflection of what goes on offline. with the president bush reelection campaign 2004 and other things. campaigns have always been campaigns to find and do the voters are and getting them to the polls but how as campaigns historically with that grass-roots sarah it is a political organization knocking on doors it is how campaigns are run but as television and cable online it shifted the models of the campaigns work. but that does not mean

broadcast is not important and will continue to be but the better understanding who we are communicating with what we think of that digital campaign also besides that william macy it is underlining his starts with understanding hoodoos we're talking about. we brought all whole data science team still working with the experts to help us build up the internal capabilities. taking that science to better understand just use that offline or knocking on doors we have completely

integrated that approach into everything we are doing. even that e-mail that we move into this the right person to communicate? that is across all channels. >> host: said digital technology and the campaign has changed. >> we were the first to build that up to what your neighbor heard on your own. the house party concept to take a house party then expanded to knocking on doors in the neighborhood. we were the most expensive

presidential campaign that day. 10 years ago moving forward but for them to do those tactics but what we we're doing 10 years ago just as we brought in within the party. and those vendors that are out there to support had three major we provide that level at the republican party infrastructure to make sure all that access is there that nobody goes without? in the 2.raised these tools make a big difference. >> looking at that period 2004 through today deal have to be the all party to create innovation?

is that what drives. >> it is a correlation not as causation. but because you did a great job in 2004 the republicans were ahead of us. but obama in his primary could not do things a normal way or he would have lost. i think it is more if you are in or out look at the 2012 campaign theoretically by that strategy urinalysis romney should have been innovating but instead it turned out that driving analytics came out of the obama campaign. that may be a little too

fast there are so few data points. >> with the incubator and tech program to encourage the openness and accessibility not the terms that most people in politics associate but to create that culture and how far along are you? >> immediately after the 2012 cycle moving into the levin / 12 to make the investment that we need to. about where we need to go as the party their changes that need to be made. also translated into a

technology. that is what may have manifested but the main process is to say everyone has access to those analytics. and then we will continue to provide the tools and bring it up to speed the then to make sure that is there for the general election. once they make sure people are accessing how the things you're doing on line to support that. had remained sure those practices from the 2014 election and?

it is a fundamental shift of the rnc primary mission. but we're at the end of your number one of this program. >> is it the role with that fragmentation? is fragmented. >> you could say you're limited concepts with open source. our job is not to pick winners or losers or one company that to prevent the past two years. but to set standards that says here is the level to the point where a certain level of candidates will have what you need and if

you're the innovator or entreprenuers once touche taken up to innovate. >> stu trevelyan what are some of the digital drawbacks? been if there have been of few. as a consultant they say can redo that challenge thing? but you could be this lucky or the byproduct of a lot of hard work. so there is a lot of hard work. in thin maybe you don't know exactly what will go fibril but that is one of the

elements that we see it now there are few beers to communicating. in with said democratic community so god bless them but there are perils of over communicating you just never had so many volunteers at the door. >> it is about understanding the tools. so when i have conversations with technology and a different skill set if you want to hammer a nail you don't go get the screwdriver

if you turn the screw you don't get a hamburger. so understand the tools are designed for that is all they are. yes everybody one spiral. with that outcome but outside of that it is our job to understand this is what this can do tell me what you try to accomplish and i can apply the tools to tell you what you need to do >> we have seen a tremendous amount of innovation of the past couple of years but i am interested whether or not technological innovation in the political sphere should come from partisans. or should we be more broad

than that? >> those to partner more closely therefore to take the innovation of the above campaign to the entire democratic universe. shed partisan company's drive innovation you think it happens to be true if they innovated better that is the responsibility of companies like mine to be better because of those partnerships. >> it could have a business interests to innovate at the end of the day their partisan for a reason and we

have looked at that social media command a product that this is the best in class product out there with those innovations that we weren't looking for and as a result one of the most sophisticated programs that they have of anyone working with non-partisan company. in with scores of they were working with. so that makes sense that only the source of our people are coming from but at perspective needing someone to understand campaigns working in the

private sector and the political world looking for products or services with the source of sophistication. >> is that technology growing exponentially? >> i think with innovation is adoption, understanding how to apply and how you scale in it. with the presidential cycle you will see a heavily funded campaign and with their relationship to take what has been a program to make it look like one / one.

and will see better results. strategically how they choose to invest we will see. i have a lot of confidence in our candidates and we will have the good november november 4th, 2014 but it is up to less and our community of republican activists to see where we go 2016. >> i think he is right we are seeing an increase just to the last year to address the tv ads with the prevalence of the on-line ads that the social channels

are addressable so there are many more channels that people will have to manage. and the end and then with a new type of channel with their relationship data in the first inning of that it is interesting to see where that goes. >> host: thank you very much.

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you and to welcome you to the rider series luncheon america's game some people seem confused that pro football is america's game but it is not. baseball is america's game. this is sponsored today in part by the boston red sox. >> caller: -- [applause] i cheer for the red sox. but this is an extension of that series. the red sox are the only team in professional sports that sponsors a literary series. i am also president of the

denver for a man city club of san diego which are to american public forums and within 2,200 programs in the public interest this is the second washington event if there are more you will help to make that decision this is one of the great cities where a number of writers are here today. and two of the best books ever won on mickey mantle and the other on the sandy koufax and she is down here. [applause]

and to every writer in the room particularly to tell you how much we appreciate people and the art form in which they are engaged because very few if any are more important. when i have several other introductions ever like to make. forced the former director of the fbi the honorable william sessions. [applause] and counsel to the president of united states george w. bush. [applause] i also want you to meet the co-chair of the washington writer serious those two individuals that are

successful in the field of business alike stand so we can griot -- greet you as. [applause] and where it's a? they're key is. i also want to acknowledge one of the owners of the washington nationals. [applause] and the director ballparks' experiences. [applause] we have one box is available for signing in the end to

leave without getting the book and having him sign it for you. now let me introduce first the panel from the united states supreme court associate justice alito. [applause] next from "the new york times" david brooks. [applause] somebody who wrote a book entitled is this the great game or what? the best book the one and only tim kurkjian. [applause]

and one of my all-time favorites from "usa today" christine brennan and finally on the panel the incomparable george will. [applause] in the book is the 100th anniversary of wrigley field and now it is my privilege to introduce my moderator who is a very great friend you have a copy of one of his books and attorney from

dallas texas and extraordinary fellow and please welcome talmage boston before we begin no take a little personal privilege at the front table we have part of the ownership group and executive vice president from the rangers, the texas rangers to came to town this weekend to play a series it is the first time the texas rangers played a game in the nation's capital after they left 41 years ago. [laughter] so this is a historic occasion this weekend. as george will points out in his book years ago man probably knew nothing about baseball, as sir winston and

churchill had the idea for parliamentary dialogue but with a quick and formal conversational with a very small space there should be a sense of crowd and urgency the esteemed panelist is all people on the top of their field and conversational when this subject is our national pastime. and the clock has a sense of urgency so let's talk baseball. the first topic of conversation your initial passion for the game. that baseball is wrapped up with the place you have got to noting your use.

where did you first get wrapped up in baseball? and briefly describe the line drive into your heart. justice alito? >> vice think of summers when i was young they seem to last forever that is what my friends and i used to do all summer we played baseball and collected baseball cards. unfortunately my son did not think the mickey mantle cards or the willie mays that is why we traded my extra all-star cards from some guy who played one game [laughter] so i would have a complete series. i remember going to the games than we would go to a double header on sunday for

under $15 to attempt to games almost obstructed but not quite to get in before the sunday curfew in those days you could not be out after 6:00 sunday night. >> although the tiger fan. [laughter] there's always someone from toledo an every crabbe. [laughter] it was the men hands of the oldest of four kids and i had my own personal title line who became the republican party chairman so the biggest feminist that i

knew. here i am growing up in the '60s and '70s i wanted to follow baseball and he encouraged that as did my mom and siblings i gotta score book and i listen to the toledo mud hens game and kept score as a 10 year-old girl not only were there very few girls keeping score but also very few plays and then we had tickets with them enchilada of detroit tigers games because then you know, except for a few years have been the aaa team in league got the chance to follow the mud hens when they were called up by the

tigers. and i also traded baseball cards we would send them to the players and ask them to sign them and every single time they did. they sent them back. in with the all-time leaders also babe ruth's 714 and hair care and in the 600 and his signature is on a. i'm not giving them up george where did it begin? >> i grew up in champaign illinois between st. louis and chicago. making a decision between a cub fan or carnal fran my a

france became cardinal fans and were cheerful and liberal. [laughter] i became a conservative i played baseball briefly on a little league team might team for the panthers. [laughter] the color was black. baseball at that time i acquired it from radio when literally on the air but listening through the baseball i became a cub fan because i cannot bear the cardinals master who was harry carey. [laughter] who is now the statue

outside wrigley field. [laughter] by m punished. >> george's new book has a great part about harry carey and i will leave it at that. don't miss it. david brooks how did baseball make a line drive into your heart? >> 1868 living in manhattan i discovered them it was fine. it was fine. they were not a good. [laughter] then the next year the skies opened up and miracle of miracles the be the most magical year of my life of the baseball history anything that could have happened hatpins. and then at the world series ended change my religious philosophy. [laughter] that life is sweet. miracles happen.

a ball will go through bill buckner's legs and you made become conservative view will be sunny and optimistic. >> baltimore as the child. baseball is always talk about in my house nobody loved her had a better feel and had a really good player in his day but this is all we did and all we talked about growing up. sixth grade my teacher stopped class at 130 in the afternoon so we can watch the world series game with the red sox and the cardinals. for a young guy like me that was madly in love with the game to have the teachers say we will watch the of world series it was

important to me. then i went to johnson high-school and i played baseball and basketball there but then also wrote for the pitch the school paper and also for the year book the windup. [laughter] i figure i named after the greatest pitcher ever but graduating from high school did not helpful lot but i'm still a baseball writer. [applause] >> the second topic baseball heroes. among older men who play baseball very occasionally a man of such qualities of mind and body to transcend

even the great and glorious game. the question for the panel is give us your perspective the player that has most transcended the game. du want to start? >> no. [laughter] i hesitate. colleges to you my favorite player. in my 67 years of watching baseball unlike football or quarterback for basketball and shooting guards you cannot take over the game. except he could. to get up there on that couch to get on first base and then steal second and then steal and then the game is over. would get his numbers to put

him with the all-time greats and put him with the all-time team you get to the outfield with dave ruth then it seems if you are going to play a game is rickey henderson. >> i have a few. eddy was the shortstop for the washington senators and he was great for christ told him what a great fan of was and he looked at me like he could not believe anyone watch him play. [laughter] of course, for a coward was my hero he hit home runs to places where they are still not hitting them today he hit them there 50 years ago. during my time as the kid

willie mays was the best player i have ever seen and today still the greatest player i have ever seen i learned more watching as a baseball and basketball player than anyone i sat down next year just in from the red sox and i have big hands but there twice as big as his and he is the mvp of the league of years ago one of the best players of the game and he looks more like we then anybody if you did not know who he was you would not know that is the duty of the game of the little guy, little hands, a great player. that is baseball. [laughter] [applause] >> to most transcended the game? >> the center fielder for

the mets. my eight favorite players for a long time one days maggot he had the swing that i had ever seen the of all across before he would begin a swing. just a short pitiful little swing. it is just tranquil and a serene. rickey henderson i think one truth about the game it is not a game their rewards thinking all the time. [laughter] i think most of my stories come from his books of this could be repetitious -- repetition but he was given a big bonus in the team noticed he never cashed the check.

they said why? he said i frame data wanted to keep it as a souvenir. [laughter] and the other story is he came to the mets who wore a helmet on his head. i hope this is from your book. you tell the story. i am not stealing your story >> he had a brain aneurysm so he had a helmet to protect his head. so rickey played with him in the north than they ended up together in toronto and he sees john with the helmet on and he looks at him and says i still play with a guy in your quick settlement. [laughter] and he said that was me. [laughter] >> that check by the way was

for $1 million. that is an expensive frame. >> and he sat down the front seat and that is for people with tenure he said tenure? i have 16 years. [laughter] and then he called capitol towers and left the following message on the voicemail that said this is risky. calling about rickey. ricky wants to play baseball. that is why he is my hero. [laughter] >> justice alito who most transcended the game? >> without question the player who most transcended the game was jackie robinson a figure of historic

importance that goes beyond baseball. my favorite player growing up, why i picked him i don't know he was a great player. i also don't know why i picked the phillies but my situation was similar to george i lived in trenton that is halfway between the york and philadelphia and in the '50s the yankees won the world series practically every year the phillies had never won so naturally it chose the phillies. [laughter] i think it does have any effect on your thinking. but richie was a great player. a money ballplayer before his time. almost never hit a home run but he had of a great eye and walk to lot and could fall pitches almost one dozen he reminded me as a left-handed hitter he would fall off the line drives.

and on one occasion the ball hit a woman she was her and they carried her out. so the next pitch comes and he hits another and another foul ball and hit the same woman. [laughter] >> this is a tough act to follow however in terms of transcendence absolutely jackie robinson but also gave ruth i bet there are kids to day playing baseball in their yard someone is that at and they are dave drust today. that transcends everything it decades or centuries. i think that he still lives on in many ways and all of

us. but again my childhood favorites were those toledo mustangs and mike brown and they do have this kind baseball card but i watched him catch a ball barehanded over the health field fence he reached out and caught it then through the runner out at second. you don't see that very often. and you might remember the name tim he played for the tigers and they were not very good but he was a pitcher and we get autographs all the time because the dugout was not together so at that point they would say you again?

so a fine pitcher for the mud hens those were my childhood favorites. >> favorite teams. growing up in massachusetts the favorite team was the red sox dying in 198915 years before that curse of the bambino ended and he said the red sox are the affliction to a newly reenact the fall of humankind. [laughter] board did anything in our culture they recreate the ancient story of admiration and declining into exile we have the caps of their favorite teams as george points out in his new book talk about bill love affair people have with their team but also a lover's quarrel. . .

>> had the joy of the postseason, as you might know, major league baseball has come up with this role that you cannot -- if you are suspended during the season you cannot reap the benefits of the post even in play for your team in the postseason even if your suspension it up, which was the case here. >> torch coming your book is basically part of this. would you like to weigh in on the worst moment? >> you know, life is a long

separation for something that never happens. [laughter] and basically there are so many lowlifes and the most important thing that happened didn't happen, it turns out. and this is too good to check. [laughter] and i was at this and i say this with some trepidation with my friends because i was at game six of the 2011 -- i'm sorry. but i was at the a game in chicago. and the poor devil did what any fan would do with a dozen fans around him with do, and that is reaching for a foul ball. and there was a physical tantrum, which to the dates to his credit. he would not be in the witness protection program whatever he

has. and leading that this is game six, one more game to play at wrigley field and someone shouted, get him tomorrow. and i said not a chance. [laughter] >> and when they were in the postseason in 1984, when the cubs were there, they were playing the potteries. the first two games in wrigley field. the cubs won the first two games and they're going to play three if necessary in san diego and him walking out of the ballpark with a friend and he said now what do you believe [inaudible] >> all right, what do you think? tim? >> i guess that my quarrel was

with one of the orioles who is one of the three greatest managers of all time. in the first time he met him was in 1979. and dan shaughnessy introduced me to earle. and he said helping help me a little bit this year and he says [bleep] you, tim and he walked away. [laughter] [laughter] >> he taught me so much and he made me happy. and pat kelly made me join the ministry while he's playing in the major leagues and so he waits, of course, for the moment to go tell his manager of this

really big step in his life. so he finally finds the perfect moment and he goes to earle and he says i'm going to walk with the lord and he said, i would rather you walk with the bases loaded. [laughter] and this last story isn't funny. but it tells you a lot about him and about book as well. and i was at a simulated game which tells you what we're talking about and a notebook really well and don't start me on him either because we will be here all day. they say that we are going to run the kickoff play dead earl invented and no one else used it, he invented it and he knows

that earl's invented it. and he said don't tell earl. and so buck did it for him and says, that is my kickoff play. meaning that out of respect for earl, they ran the play in almost 50 years later he said hey, they are doing this for me. i met told me even more about him. reed. >> without question, the vegas one was 1964. after having some of the horrible teams, the worst these all teams ever, they were in first place with 12 games to go in six and a half games ahead. almost impossible to blow that. they were going to go to the world series and it was

incredible for me to have suffered through those years. and baseball have this ability to break your heart and i don't think that there's any other game to do it in quite the same way. there is a way that it works and there are decisions that someone makes. years later you wonder if that was the right decision. the phillies manager decided that he didn't have confidence in the number three and the number four starters and they had a for pitcher rotation. so he pitched jim bunting and chris short for the rest of the year every day. and they lost. and so the phillies were not in the world series. [laughter]

>> david, what do you think? >> jim is exactly the same time the senator that he was a pitcher. >> i gave a talk in dallas and it was that at a big ballroom that we watch the game on the big screen and i spoke 336 and then we turned the game back on and pride goes before the fall because readers are winning and are member people saying they were chanting, six more outs, five more in outs, one more strike and the final out never came and it was terrifying for me because the champagne is put away and they have the better half of the family and there are

many feuds. nolan ryan was a really good idea and family called and said was part of it. [laughter] but the one thing, and this is my question for you guys and the reporters, i have always tried hard to stay away for fear that it would affect my love of baseball. and i've always felt acutely uncomfortable in the locker room. and i love watching these guys play and i don't want to see them eat not chose. so i've always tried to maintain that distance. the guys kept up so well at the game even intimately. >> okay, next subject is cheating. acts of cheating are secretive, covert acts that seek to undermine the basic foundation of any contest.

and destroy faith in the game's integrity and fairness. derosier had another perspective. he said he said i believe in it was because if there weren't any rules, how could you write them? and so how does cheating it affect your engagement with baseball? who would like to go first? >> it is intolerable because it changes the playing field and it requires people to put their health at risk were their careers at risk. and therefore it has been met with this and i think that although we are in a competition between the good and the bad, some producing drugs and the others finding ways to test for them, we have this emphasis in baseball history and i think

that we are getting there. and mike is a good guy, he broadcast for the giants. and maybe we believe that the answer is to have better signs. [laughter] and it's not cheating to gather intelligence from in front of you. on the on unwritten rules of baseball. but it is a hilarious insight into what baseball considers if not cheating, at least bad manners. >> people have been cheating in baseball whether you like it or not, for the last 130 years. interestingly i asked bobby valentine about baseball and a

sticking a needle in your button or of this and a baseball? and he said absolutely not. the really good to pitchers that know how to stop a baseball and make it do something, exactly the way they want to do, it almost guarantees success, whereas, he said, sticking a needle in your but doesn't guarantee anything. and he is he's the only guy that has put it quite like that in three years ago dear jude are pretended to get hit by a pitch. and he got hit in the knob of

the bat right here. and he pretended that it hit him on the hand and he faked like he got hurt and he ran to first base and he got hit by a pitch. and people were outraged. so how can there cheater do this? and i had to kind of defend him in baseball terms that this is what they are taught. go ask jim come everyone is out there and taught as a professional player. you have to get on no matter what. so cheating is a little tricky for me. i'm not sure i understand exactly what it is, but i know that for 130 years people have been cheating in baseball and as tom always told me, if you are not cheating, you're not trying. [laughter] >> justice alito, where do you weigh in on that map. [laughter] [laughter]

>> yes, i'm going to defend cheating. and well, i think that the steroids were a real black mark on baseball. because it is a sport where statistics matter and you can remember statistics and who hit the most home runs and rbis and it is -- statistics are an enormous part of the game. i think that he just has to be disregarded. certainly for the players that have admitted that they have taken steroids. but you have to be somewhat suspicious of the statistics that were compiled during that era. i think it hurt the game a lot. and it makes an interesting point about the types of cheating that are accepted in baseball. that -- pretending to be hit by a pitch is one of them, pretending to catch a ball that is trapped is another one.

i just did but that seems to be excepted and it's interesting why baseball's approach to those things with different from some other sports. of course, kind of aristocratic sports like golf and tennis, if you did anything comparable to that it would be a scandal. but even in soccer you get a penalty for diving and in ice hockey you get a penalty for diving. and i don't know what the explanation is. i guess the eyesocket ex-mission is that it's a canadian sport. [laughter] >> that's interesting. christine? >> i would propose that we are still in the midst of this and as someone i never would have envisioned talking and writing about performance-enhancing drugs, this is what we do as journalists and you present the news as it unfolds in front of you and we are in this than 100

years from now, whether reading the wallpaper or whatever they are going to be doing to that history. so not just in baseball but in all of sports. performance-enhancing drugs, what have you. so again it's not a happy thought my wish that i were not saying it. but the olympics started drug testing in 1972 and of course they still have a performance-enhancing drug problem. and the lance armstrong saga was unpleasant for everybody. and it was a tragedy in many levels. it was good that he was caught guards to justice. but when you think about this in 1972 and there are still cheaters in the olympics, they started testing in 2004. and there were plenty of

cheaters and that is when they started in 2004. and so if we look at the olympics as our guide, and again i apologize for throwing cold water on the conversation. looking at this as our guide, we know that there are things i had that we have seen as george mentioned. until and so we want to keep trying and not restricted it's important for us to catch cheaters. but i do think that there will be designer drugs, new ways to do things in new ways to deal with this. when there's so much money out there and way more money in baseball then there is the olympics, michael phelps would be just an average employee in the baseball locker room. there's so much more in baseball. my sense is they are looking for new ways to do this and i hope that i'm wrong. but i think we have had this for years to come here. >> i don't have any great

cheater stories, but trying to think about between scuffing and steroids. the reason we are not bothered by this as it is mitigated by cleverness and we sort of admire the artistry of it. that's part of it. secondly i think that -- in golf you really don't cheat and one of the things we like about baseball is that it's a working-class game. the democratic game that doesn't have some of the affectations of the upper-class ungentlemanly behavior. and so probably love it, it doesn't necessarily matter. but it matters in our heart but not in want peace terms. so i'm totally admiring of this although this seems so on artistic and i'm just trying to think through that distinction. the final thing i want to say, and this is not cheating or non-shooting, but it showboating or non-showboating. and in some ways this part of the game has offended this a

little bit more than the scuffing. and so i hope everyone in this room understands, but googling ryan samberg hall of fame speech from the speech that he gave at the hall of fame several years ago now was among the best hall of fame speech and he just talked about how you play the game in order to live up to the standards set by the people who came before and it was about non-showboating. it was a moral speech about how to behave. >> the next topic is instant replay. george said sports should be the triumph of character. openly tested and not a technology. so what is your reaction to baseball using instant replay. as you gave that quote. >> full disclosure, i was on the committee to the major league committee that came up with the instant replay although the

heavy lifting was done by someone on us. i was being conservative but slow to learn and resistance all change. until joe torre said if you go to a ballpark, the people on television see the replay, the people eating a hot dog on the concourse, already or very soon everyone is going to have this and there will be 40,000 people and some people won't know what happened, four of them and they won't know what happened and they are called umpires. [laughter] so if they need work, the main need to learn how to spell bluetooth. and so it will be tweaked unrefined. it the other day the pirates won a game on a walkoff replay call.

and they said oh, it was a walkoff committee meeting. and i said yes, but it's better than a walkoff mistake. sorry come to like it. >> i think it's a very good idea. chief justice roberts famously said a few years ago that judges are like umpires and i think that that's true. the umpires on the field like the trial judges. we know that they get things wrong sometimes. so you have to have an appeal to them in new york and the only way that is wrong with the system is it only has two levels. [laughter] and you need someone to keep the umpires in new york in line. [laughter] >> would anyone like to add to

this object that has been discussed? okay, next question. the speed or lack thereof in baseball. last week in "the wall street journal" there was an article that rattled off these facts. in 1960 for a ball was put in play every two minutes and 29 seconds announce every three minutes and 30 seconds. game time in 2014 is 13 minutes longer than it was in 2010 areas so baseball requires more patience from a society that has less of it and might have something to do with the fact that between 2000 minus 2012 the number of children playing baseball in america between the ages of heaven and 17 trailed by 18%. so if you have a successor that as a is the commissioner of baseball, do you do anything to address this with the increasingly slower pace? >> it's the pace of the game and

not the length of the game. the people that complain about the length of a game are sportswriters. the pace of the game that matters because it has been demonstrated by now that only 81% of pitches or even put in play. the idea of going deep into the count is part of this middle relief where mediocrity is in baseball. the trouble is the middle relief is 6-foot 4 inches and he throws 95 and you don't give anything for this. but what we are doing is having xor seven pitching changes a game and they take time, particularly since guys have warmed up in the bullpen and then warms up again with a pitches on the mound especially on the field of play where there is a difference. but in regards to batting gloves, it's just unbelievable.

[laughter] >> john miller, the great broadcaster watched a kinescope of game seven, 1953 world series, you can't get more tense than that with the yankees and dodgers and he said not once during the entire game did either a yankee were a doctor stepped out of the situation. the culture of baseball has changed and about the to 10 pitches in 3.5 minutes. and it is just -- it's the whole culture of baseball that has to change in the minor leagues and say that the livelihood depends upon a younger and more impatient generation of americans wanting to see more energy on the field. >> one way that we can do that is that we can have guys swing

the bat a little bit more often. it's kind of what george was talking about. a few years ago he struck out 72 times in one season. ted williams never struck out 72 times in any season swinging were looking. so i imagine that he struck out 39 times and that was his career-high. he's ducked out looking 72 times in mike trout is the best player in the game and he went a one-year period of time and he struck out looking 53 times and i'm telling you that it is an epidemic in the game but we are also preoccupied with his on-base percentage, a walk is better than ahead but it's never better than ahead. it's good and i love them. and we have a generation of players now who are saying, hey, let get it to into and then they haven't even swung the bat yet. eight years ago, i mean, i have never seen a so many fastballs

right down the middle of the play that people do not swing at. what is going on here? this is a years ago and it gets worse every single year to the point now where the strikes are as big as a license plate and the hitters are taking advantage of that thing that i'm going to swing when i want to swing and when i strike out, fine, jolly says he strike out on a three to count, that is not good, you struck out in the state. that is what he said. [laughter] >> you alluded to the demographics and that is a fascinating conversation for anyone who loves baseball or any sport that matter. the president will talk to us about this and we know for a fact that a lot of parents are saying to their kids and especially boys, i don't want to play football. and of course, the concussion rate for ice hockey for boys and women and girls are also huge. so will we see potentially,

maybe not tomorrow but the next 10 to 15 or 20 years, baseball, yes, obviously injury and trouble for a child in any sport, we know that in any endeavor there's a chance you could get hurt or injured or what have you. what will we see parents want to start directing their kids may be back to baseball. i don't know what the future holds. but this story is going to be fascinating to watch how that plays out over the next few decades and likewise one of the things i have talked with mr. about this we are referring to the world series in the afternoon and being able to watch on tv, kids, however many that would have friends to bring us on an afternoon while we were in school. well, of course, no child today for the last 20 years has been able to talk about better say that. much less talk about beyond the

third of fourth inning of any world series game because they've gone to bed. and how many kids are we losing because they don't get a chance to watch it. one last thought, that is a concern, as i am actually glad that baseball is a little bit slower than other sports. how many of us have tickets to games and watch them enjoy it and watch them sit there and talk about it with her parents and maybe keep score, teach them how to keep score. use a pencil and a piece of paper. i think it's a wonderful and welcome relief from the computer and the video games. and i certainly hope that we don't -- that the game doesn't start to try to attract those kids thinking that games are important. but certainly watching a game with a child is nothing better than that. [applause] >> i sort of agree with this. that the mitigating factor is the saying that is well-known, with which is that football is an action game, baseball is atomic game. a lot of the excitement is stuff that happens is when the pitches

and fox is a fantastic job of the cutaway shot and the intention about what is going to happen. so much in life is more satisfying than what does happen. so a final point. and that is a comment. [laughter] and i don't know where that came from. [laughter] >> i just realized that i'm on c-span. fantastic. [laughter] and i just want to say one thing about this is that, you know, for the last 20 years my baseball experience has been about 80% baseball and then 20% professional baseball and the reason that you've youth baseball has dropped is in part because of this in the game but because of the poor coaching at the early levels do not practice

for most kids is standing around and that is the reason people are playing soccer instead. >> justice, would you like to weigh in on the game. >> yes, the time between pitches, it's part of what steps out, part of it is probably television and the time between innings. and i think that that is probably a factor in the problem that baseball has with young people. and i will occasionally recording football game. you can watch an nfl game in probably 15 minutes. i might be exaggerating. the time when something is happening is very short and the rest of his time between plays. so baseball is an acquired taste. it's not a sport that is

appealing to people who don't have the background and baseball. if someone comes here from europe and you take them to a baseball game, they don't know what is going on and it's about as interesting to them as it would be for us if we went to see a cricket match. and something is definitely happening and i will tell you this little as worry. my son and i went to a game here last year. sitting behind us there was a young man with a date and he was -- i put in hell. what they were saying. he was deftly trying to impress her and she didn't know much about baseball because she wanted to know whether a ball was a foul ball or a fair ball and it landed in foul territory. she wasn't going to call him on anything but she said what is his batting average thing and he said that that is the percentage of pitches that the batter hits with his back.

[laughter] than i thought, this is the biggest sign of cultural decline in the united states i have ever heard. >> final question for the panel. and this is really where we come together with a panel of people from diversion areas of expertise and baseball as a tool for civil discourse among people on both sides of the political spectrum and it defies every characterization and the story that i will tell bickley. i read years ago but after president nixon resigned from the white house, he would go on talk shows and he was in the green room before was time to go on the show and the person who is going to be right after him and shoot the green room and he

said here's nixon, vietnam. these people have been talking about hating each other for years and they had never met. no one else is around. they talked about the one thing that they could feel good about, and that was baseball. so do you have a situation where you've got maybe a door was closed or or there was some reason that you were going to connect with someone with the subject of baseball that brought you into harmony? [laughter] >> go, come on. >> well, as the woman on the panel, it was great on early dates with the guys when they found out you could talk baseball and keep score. i went to northwestern and several wonderful dates at wrigley field i would be keeping score with my date for the

evening and then the afternoon and we had a great time. and so certainly that helps. but the thought that comes to mind, i was nine or 10 years old then and so i remembered it fairly well. but the detroit tigers, many of you remember he won the world series and at the same time detroit was ablaze and so many of the cities were dealing with the aftermath of the martin luther king assassination and the reaction to it. to this day people in detroit and people around michigan including the great coach of the michigan state ask about him, he was at the upper peninsula and a young boy growing up the same time, i was in toledo, of course, and we remember hearing about the tigers and how they were beautifying that city even as the city was almost defying unity with all of the trouble. one of the things about the

tigers, there were three african american players who played major roles for that team. also years before and after. the great pinch hitter and pro-western. so even as the community was erupting in a understandably the issues, they were the same issues in so many cities, especially many cities back then. you had the african-american population rallied around this because of the african-american players. that's kind of a nice story. >> a little bit of a tangent on your question. i think that democracy is served by baseball because there is so much losing in this game season. everything -- they played the

whole year to sort out the middle 42 games. if you win 10 of 20 games, your definition is mediocre if you win in 11 out of, you'll probably win in 89 games. maybe not play in the first season. it's a game and went to democracy as part of this and no one gets everything they want and baseball is the sport of affluence. >> i covered the 1988 orioles but lost the first 21 games to start the season. no team had ever come close to doing that. so frank robinson takes a writers out to eat after this and minneapolis and i guess he needed some support. to just casually at dinner i said, is there anyone calling any advice or anything? and he said yes, the president called me today. so he was a big hitter and i said oh, the president of the united states called me today and i said frank, what did he

say. and he said, frank and i know what you're going through. and he said mr. president, you have no idea what i'm going through. [laughter] >> has baseball ever opened up a friendship or a door with you? >> i've never gone with a lot of people. [laughter] and its men's friendships. we do the show on fridays. it's called shields and broken we want colin brooke shields. [laughter] [inaudible] and so before that it was shields and coolidge. and so on the air we talk politics and we are never out of

harm and is constantly an unconscious way to spend time together before going on the air. one thing i will take semi-seriously is stability requires celso restrained and one guy at is called the abcs of pitching. and pitching is a lot like a lot of baseball, controlling what you're paying attention to. one of his recommendations, personal he's always for offense. go after the hitter and do not waste a pitch, just go forward. have selection and location on your mind. if there's something else on your mind, get off the mound. and so i'm really going back years since i read the book. recalling a conversation he had with greg maddux. he came after the game and he

said to him, how did it go today? and according to him he said 73 out of 87. what he meant by that was the ball left my fingers correctly 73 times out of 87 pitches. and so it is about focusing on what you control with your own process of what you can do. and that is kind of the essence of baseball and the final thing i will say is that i am always resistant to this with the rest of life. because the rest of life is unpleasant. it is just removed and to name drop a bet, i was invited to have lunch with the president, i had lunch with him that day, i drove down where he had been playing baseball. one of the players from around pittsburgh was jim leyland's

son. he was sitting across just before he came back to the game and i remember thinking, i am so thrilled to see that guy. [laughter] and i was thrilled to see him across this. and the president, well, he comes and goes. [laughter] >> justice, we will let you close. >> mixing baseball with the rest of life. i think her fans what baseball does is to channel natural aggression and tribal instincts, which people have. david and i are sitting here with the phillies had and we are very civil. but i guarantee you that now that the price of a ticket has gotten higher and things have changed, back in the not so old days before the phillies were

winning, he came to visit and we were sitting in she needs and he was cheering wildly and they actually had a lockup in the stadium and that tells you something about it. and so it channels people's natural tendency to fight with each other into something that really dozen become important as opposed to fighting something that is. >> turning the program over to george. george mitrovich. [applause] >> let me greatly thank c-span. in my lifetime, 46 years in politics, no more significant thing happened than c-span.

if you believe in the necessity of government in the process of government, c-span has just been so extraordinary in what they have done and we are grateful that they decided to share this time with us today and we will share with the nation. and i wanted to acknowledge the presence of homeland security assistant secretary [inaudible] and so my appreciation tonight. wonderful friends and my very great appreciation to everyone, justice alito, mr. brooks, and to all of you. now let's do the appropriate thing and think this extraordinary panel. [applause]

[applause] >> if you didn't pick up the book, pick it up. >> baseball is one of the topics that came up during her original are sleety series, which you can see in its entirety online at the standout work. here is a brief discussion about first lady grace coolidge and her love of the game. >> one of the letters that she wrote to her friends dating from october 22, 1946, yes, i was much excited over baseball and terribly disappointed that the red sox lost the world series. i had a grand time at the game in boston and met many of my old baseball friends as well as some of the players. he was a lifelong azle fan starting out at the university

of vermont and this continued on. of course, being in massachusetts and vermont, they were big awesome red sox fans when they went to washington and they had an allegiance to the local team down there, the washington senators. so we have a number of the season passes and she was given by the american league and usually some of those pocketbooks are wonderful. and of course he was given 14 karat gold season passes and we have those out of the display is well. weak knowledge the president's interest in the sport but focused most especially on grace's passion for it. one of the items in the exhibit is the certificate that she was given by the boston red sox and washington nationals as they

were called in 1955, designating her first lady first lady of the land and first lady of baseball. another one is a very fine baseball that was given to john coolidge, the son of calvin and is also signed. >> a couple of ebola related programs coming up on c-span2. doctor anthony tremont and others take questions about ebola at a town hall coming up next. on a panel on the ebola outbreak in west africa. and then we have speed gains against amanda curtis in the u.s. senate seat opening we will have that debate later. >> here are just a few of the comments we have recently received from our viewers. >> i have been battling my local cable provider in your, cablevision in new jersey, for over 18 months to start offering

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ebola. coming to you live where we will be examining the threat of ebola and beyond. we are looking at the government response as well as the medical response and hospital protocols and establishing of the vaccine. >> our guests today are doctor anthony fauci, from the nih, doctor jesse goodman from georgetown university medical center and an infectious disease clinician and also doctor joshua sharpstein, former commissioner of the fda. >> numbers have been invited to submit written questions and we are taking questions as well at wtop-radio.com and on twitter and facebook. we will go to 11:00 o'clock with this with breaks for traffic and weather. >> welcome, doctors. they do all thank you all for

being here with us on this important topic. let's start with the ebola threat. you knew that it was likely to show up here eventually. is it any more of a threat now in the united states then perhaps a month ago? >> first of all, i think it's important to point out that when you use the word iraq, the probability of an outbreak is extraordinarily low. that does not mean that we do not take seriously this epidemic, which is devastating certain parts of west africa. but an increased threat and i think that one can say that the best way to eliminate any threat to us is to illuminate the epidemic in west africa. so as the west african epidemic could eger and bigger, the

possibility that it may be spread beyond gets a bit bigger, even though the threat is still extraordinarily low. so that is why we should probably focus a lot on putting that epidemic down and west africa. >> i was going to say that it's very different to think about sporadic and isolated events where someone comes to the united states and develops ebola and is a challenge to our health care system where we have a cluster of cases where the individual is obtained. that is different to a risk of the general public and that is not a problem unless we cannot control this and emphasizing the importance of that. >> in maryland since the outbreak began to pick up steam over the summer, we have been

utilizing the infrastructure in a wide variety of emergencies from hurricanes to other infectious diseases to be in close contact with health care systems and provide messages to the public. i think that we recognize that this is a possibility and we need to be prepared, but at the same time we have never felt that this is a reason that people have to panic or not leave their houses. just as the doctor said, it's a threat like a lot of other threat but low probability. >> one other thing that is important to distinguish to the american people because they see things on 24 hour news cycle is, and that's can sometimes be confusing. in the united states to people have gotten infected with ebola. both of them were taking care of a desperately ill patients in a risky situation. you have to distinguish the two nurses who are the only two

people who were taking care of patients who got infected from the risk to the general public who are not anywhere near a ebola patient, much less a super sick ebola haitian. >> in that light it is incredibly positive and reassuring but today we have reached 21 days for mr. duncan and his initial contact and community contacts that were having this contact with him. the fact that none of them have, and we hope it stays that way, if developed infections should be with reassuring that casual contact is not going to spread this. >> is important to point out that those were the people initially exposed to him when he was released from the dallas hospital and not the people that took care of him. >> before he was hospitalized. and so what we are trying to say is that it's a different issue of risk in the health care environment where people are

handling this to the general public. >> asking you about your confidence in the 80s the when we come back. we will have more of our townhome being broadcast live on wtop-radio and wtop-radio.com. [applause] [inaudible] [applause] >> we are back with our town hall on ebola. we have doctor fauci, doctor goodman, and doctor chartrand. >> we seem to of been so unprepared as we have gone along. maybe that's just the way it seems and it's not the actual point of fact. doctor fauci has called some of these errors on excusable as it has taken place. you have full confidence in the cbc? >> i do. i think it's important to point out that the doctors are

extremely good health officials. doctor tom friedman is really quite good. and he has been put into a very unique situation. but having a ebola threat in a society that has never experienced this one the sense were prepared in the way that you are learning things. there's been a lot of preparation but there's been some missteps in the first one is someone coming through an emergency room and saying i am from liberia and i have a fever and being let go. that is what i meant when i said excusable and that is not the cdc's role but human failing. >> the guidelines that the cdc hand down to these hospitals, are they not clear or are the hospitals not implementing them? where is the disconnect? it seems to a lot of people that the u.s. hospitals are often playing whack-a-mole and are

caught behind the eight ball. >> when you say the preparation for what you do when a patient comes in or how you handle a sick patient? >> actually for both. that when a patient comes in, how does that work raiment. >> that was not due to a guideline. the cdc had sent out how help alert networks continually alerting people that when someone comes in with symptoms, get a travel history and link it to what you do. and they had been alerting. >> so that was a human error? >> that was understandable that people are human and it was a human error and you have confidence in the cdc, doctors? >> absolutely, we get a call at them last night. and i think it's fair to say that we are all learning from

the experience in dallas, the cdc is learning at the state level and we are working closely with hospitals. everyone has gone back to look at the protocols. and i think that we are going to continue to reach even greater levels of preparedness. >> well, i have a lot of confidence and it's an amazing group of professionals and strong leadership. i do think it indicates how important it is to be over cautious rather than overconfident, and how when we are dealing with a new problem and a complicated environment like the u.s. health care system, you really need to, if anything, be over clear and overtrained and over cautious. >> that brings me to a question that we received from an audience member, jamal is a registered nurse. as you know, these nurses are on the frontline in this battle.

and there has been a call from union leaders and local workers who say that they are not getting the training that is adequate. they are not being told what precautions to take. how concerned are you about that and is that the case be met. >> let me comment on that. because the nurse is correct on that, but with an explanation. first of all, in the beginning when this happened and the nurses were infected and i happen to be taken care of one of those nurses at our facility at the nih, when i came out there was comments that were not meant in a certain way like a breach of protocol but the nurses did not do anything wrong at all. making sure that that is very clear. the protocol that was written was written from original protocols that originated at

w.h.o. in a third world setting, sometimes outdoors. so now when you get to the united states you are treating it in a tertiary care setting and you're doing a lot of very aggressive things and invasive things and hemodialysis and things like that. so the protocol work very well in ebola in africa. the way that that was written -- they went by the protocol and right now those particles are being changed so that we can have, as jesse said, much more stringent attention to training and to observation to making sure that you are well protected. >> how long will that take? >> it's going to come out probably within an hour or two a day. >> would we know? do we have any inside information? >> i just gave the three components and i'm not going to go into the details because we haven't finalized it yet except to say they are going to be much more stringent on the side of

safety. >> and the specifics? >> i don't want to get to the specifics because they haven't been announced and i don't like to do that before they are announced. >> a question from greg. what are the signs that the ebola virus has mutated to become airborne? >> is that possible? that the transmission changes? >> anything -- and i have tried to explain this in a long and tiring way. ..

>> >> a question and from stephanie in the audience would like to explain the difference between airborne and aerosol transmission. is there a difference? dr. goodman? >> normally talking airborne transmission that is very fine into the lungs that around your environment was somebody coughing they can travel a short distance.