to your knees with the work that they are doing, that is what really gives me hope. >> thank you. .. >>

>> so we say we need more workers out there to come. the please consider coming because the survival of africa is of the world's big mecca would like to see more effort in the communities i am sure something is being done in that is the quickest way to stop ebola. then to create a global health system from a civil

society and our life to be a part of this movement spinach now we will turn to our deputy director who put the pedal to gather >> thanks for holding the conversation i feel so honored to have you here today facing this crisis and can share ways with us that we can do something. a letter to the world today from "the washington post" all across the planet said the time for talk is over now we need to act. the most powerful thing for me is to hear your vice

europe could words to include information to act on all over the country. now. >> they will be a side citing books so those who have managed the communication thanks for putting this together. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> mary. lied about her jobs and now she is at it again attacking scott walkers record on jobs. the "washington journal" said they are false issue is twisting the rumors and not the first time the truth in the last year with midwest job growth the facts are wisconsin had 100,000 jobs under scott walker.

you cannot trust mary. >> asking us to hold us to it is this something you want to be held to? >> absolutely today wisconsin is dead last in job growth than added 10. >> backing behind most of the country when it comes to job growth. not even close. broken promises dead last in jobs. scott walker is not for use. >> in the light of the year. >> if you like your health care plan u.k. keep bids in america does not mean the government will tell you which doctors to go to the. >> but millions have lost their doctors and their plants but mary burke says she still supports obamacare and wants to expand. was causing cannot afford the liberal mary burke.

period. end of story. >> no a good story about taxes? reagan expanded the earned income tax credit for working families but a bad idea is governor walker he did just the opposite. cutting taxes for the wealthiest and raising them on 140,000 wisconsin families. raising income-tax is is not just bad economics but it is wrong. >> mary burke. governor. >> in montana republican congressman and steve daines is running against amanda curtis for the ascendancy. then the arkansas senate debate with

>> in montana republican congressman steve daines is running against democrat amanda curtis for the open senate seat. courage senator is not running after plagiarism allegations were made against them. the senator was appointed to the siege earlier this year after senator baucus step down. this is courtesy of montana television network and yellowstone public radio.

>> moderator: made possible thanks to support from the greater montana foundation founded by montana broadcasting pioneered to support communications on values of the importance. >> moderator: we will continue to debate night on the montana television network and petro theater is a venue deal made televised debate here in 2014. i and the moderator for that evening we would welcome our live audience along with the people tune in and of montana television network station. going nationwide on c-span2

so people watching across the country and people are listening on a statewide radio on yellowstone public radio along with statewide with friends of the northern news network. we would acknowledge a response hours msu billings with this beautiful facility along with yellowstone public radio and the billings gazette and the montana television network of four entities joining forces to bring you this debate. special thank-you to the greater montana foundation for all their support. just a few housekeeping items the format of two candidates questioned by our panel of three journalists. no opening statements for the first candidate will get 60 seconds to answer the question the other kennedy has 30 seconds rebuttal then the other kid a has a 302nd rebuttal to have a lively discussion.

we're asking the audience to hold the applause until the end. and no applauding during the debate to ask more questions. with little ado let's meet the candidates we agree this generates has everything except has not had a televised debate we're hoping we are here tonight to fill the void. democrat amanda curtis a native of billings and a math teacher at the school and was elected to the house of representatives in 2012. a total product of the montana university system with a degree in biology from montana tech, 32 in certificate and is working on her master's degree at the university of montana. she and her husband with impunity and a high-school teacher also taught at

helena middle school and views central. [applause] >> we also montana congressman and steve daines raise in bozeman also a product of the montana university system graduated from montana state university with a degree of chemical engineering and spent 30 years working for procter & gamble and work to his family's construction business and in 2000 was elected as a vice president of the right now technologies out of those men. good to see you tonight. [applause] teeeighteen the questions are of to our panel was. first we have longtime friend of mine like denison is of guideline if you read

the newspapers across the state and worked for the state bureau of that has been covering the state house and government issues about 22 years with a pea and the great falls tribune. good to see you tonight. with us tonight the news director of the yellowstone public radio covering state and national politics 28 years. her first administration she covered was the governor back in the mid-80s. good to see you. [applause] hours a political reporter with montana television network joining us tonight. also working for the helen l. -- helena public record of the great falls tribune that is our panelists. [applause] >> moderator: that is enough of the applause and

of the first question we did flip the coin and amanda you get the chance to into the first question. isis has been identified across the country is one of the biggest threats facing the united states of america. do you believe president obama is response to the isis thread is adequate? if so, or if not perhaps when would you be willing to put ground troops on the ground? curtis: isis is a terrible group with absolutely no respect for human life. you cannot be the policeman of the world that we need to have a serious conversation did read the money comes from. >> moderator: this same question to believe the

president's response has been adequate and would you be willing to put boots on the ground? daines: it is a lack of strategy he needs to consult with congress to be on the same page moving forward but isis is not going away in the near term 9/11 was 13 years ago this will affect generations as a long-term strategy. i do not support troops on the ground but when data strategy with energy security and a leading producer of oil and natural resources so the world looks to us for energy. and secure our borders to ensure we don't have isis coming to this southern border. number three insure a coalition of middle east allies support the united states to deal with this serious threat. >> moderator: a quick follow-up. about putting boots on the ground, if this mormons for word, how should we pay for the four?

curtis: i do not agree putting boots on the ground it is up to the folks in the region to step up and contain ices the reseed politicians try to kick the can down the road to have the conversation to know exactly how much it will cost and who will pay for it because that should be a shared cost among all those that feel the threat. >> how will we pay for this? daines: they are receiving $2 million per day from oil revenues. we cannot afford not to stop the threat. remember 9/11 when the economy slowed in the economy by doing nothing if it plotted continues far greater than what it takes to combat to make sure we secure the homeland for this generation but for our children and grandchildren. >> moderator: the first question from our panel last

-- panelist. >> representative daines congress shed down the federal government if they control the house and the senate after the midterm election would you support asia down if you get into a stalemate. >> the governorship of the failure of washington it is broken and it takes to parties to negotiate the president was unwilling to come to the table to engage congress it was standing up for a couple of things to have a harmful effect to give individual americans or montanans the same privileges of you hands. and i refuse to take my salary i donated it to the honor flight because in the real world if you don't have results you are accountable that is why congress should

be held accountable as a failure of the system. curtis: that the government shutdown was the failure and congressman daines has a clear voting record would and reasons i agreed to get into is the nomination. he voted for that government shutdown that costs the state of montana millions of dollars and hurt montana small businesses. and he is so out of touch the way the rest of us live in this state he can go without his pay when most families cannot. daines: we worked very hard during that period of time to protect montana from the harmful effects and october 16 i vote for the majority to stop the

shutdown. it is a failure of government that is why i hope it never happens again and we just had that stalemate on the 30th of september we moved through it with reasonable minds come together passing a continuing resolution to avoid a shutdown. curtis: i would remind everyone that shutdown did affect montanans all seven reservations because there was not any plans in place for what would happen to them during that a government shutdown. >> many republicans signed the no new taxes' pledge words evoke for federal shutdown again? daines: we don't need to shut down bubble size coming to the table this is the first president in history to increase no nothing to

the debt ceiling this was a president unique in history you need to have two parties to sit down do come together and move forward and the answer is no i would not vote for a government shutdown. know i would not go for a government shutdown it costs the state billions of dollars to hurt montana businesses. to a compromise is right that is why it is important not to said the most extreme congressman and montana has ever had back to washington d.c. as our senator. >> good evening t-72 said he

supports the affordable care act to help people get health insurance but what about the vast majority of those who already have insurance but did not get subsidies? >> i was just bad debts delegates kiev their day i read to a physician practicing medicine for 30 years and they said it is very nice to meet you don't repeal that hca he had a pre-existing condition that made him as a health care provider and uninsurable. i know that the ac a is not perfect i travelled over 8,000 miles across the state listening to montanans your experiencing problems of delay of care and the cost of insurance so i'd just say that i am willing to work with those -- both sides of

the aisle to fix the issues for a guy had the experience to have my health care plan rise in cost. daines: i will stand with the people loved montana not with the president. one tannins overall do not like obamacare they want it repealed so we do not want to see washington d.c. solution fatal solve the problem but create more problems if you like your health care insurance is a little promise said but tell that to tens of thousands of montanans and advantages seniors to lose their coverage over the last two weeks. curtis: i am so thankful

that president obama is not on the ballot in the state of montana. because the people that are on the ballot is myself through to the is one of us that understands these issues of rising health care costs and the most extreme congressmen we have never had to instead of working to find a solution throws a tantrum and coated over 40 times repeals something that is absolutely saving lives for working families in montana. >> congressman daines on obamacare usage want to repeal the affordable care act and replacing it with a reform and health savings accounts and portability of health plans across state lines. but that those people who cannot afford health insurance now, do you think that will fully help them get health insurance? to you think we should even

have a policy in this country as a goal to get toward some kind of universal health coverage for those who cannot afford it? daines: the answer is to have the montana based solution check my record i voted against it wants that is my voting record but here's my we need to do. tort reform is 20 percent savings of defensive medicine cost. we also need to expand the health savings accounts to be to expand them and allow american people to have a tax deduction that are working for a company to receive that same tax deduction that they get as employer dash sponsored health care plans for quite a want to have a one-size-fits-all solution that may work for california or new york we need a solution that works for montana. living month-to-month on

fixed income they don't want to see a solution to d.c. but one from montana. curtis: unfortunately we have seen one-size-fits-all solutions from congressman daines he votes along the teapartier lines almost 90 percent of the time and the vote to repeal the aca was one of those. but aca provided our state to expand medicaid which would have provided health insurance to the most vulnerable of our citizens for our legislature dropped the ball on that and i would like to see as continue to improve the aca and also expand medicaid for all citizens. >> says cbo just released an update but the problem that it was trying to an assault was to the airport and

disabled are getting coverage. the cbo forecast that 31 million americans will still not have health care coverage after it is implemented. nancy pelosi as a $950 project the latest estimates suggest it'll be 1.8 trillion dollars spent with 31 million americans uninsured after the aca is implemented. >> i just have to step in to say that when you look at the cost savings to prevent citizens from having their initial points of contact with the health care system be the emergency room, the amount of money saved by this country in the long run is astronomical that is a much more realistic way to look at the numbers. >> just updated last week aca added $130 billion to

our debt. and raise taxes and 31 million americans uninsured and it will raise the deficit $131 billion. look at that senate committee report reviewed that was just released. >> to congressman daines that bill selfie could not afford health insurance if they cannot afford health insurance can they afford health savings accounts or benefit from tax deductions? daines: we need to solve the problem at the state level states like indiana or utah they're moving forward with programs that it is unique to that state's needs. think of montana. what was said a resident need that would indeed that is different from bozeman or missoula. we need to stay focused

solution a great big bureaucracy in washington d.c. is not the answer. look at the v.a. health care system and the indian health services. if it becomes very expensive and the biggest problem is that pour in disabled and elderly will not get the care that they need. curtis: never just ask anyone who has voted to repeal the of the affordable care act explain that to my mom who has not have health insurance for 31 years but now have access to preventive care in helping for prescriptions or explain that to my new friend i met the other day who as a health care professional for the first time is considered insurable. >> moderator: moving along. >> because the need for police and sewer and water systems in this community is immediate, would you support

the return of their marks and congressional orders out to spend money to pay for these projects? curtis: talk about eastern montana it is important that our state has given out of state corporations with billions of dollars out of national resources and the tax holiday. when you look at paying for roads and bridges and police officers, perhaps you we should be taxing instead of letting the at a state company and then move on tuesday next before it has to pay any taxes. >> noel saboorian remarks. the recent is it wasn't used to induce south would have been to washington d.c..

i had a career to serve but the problem is you have members of congress using that to get special deals at the expense of the tax period has their own success butted to have the infrastructure committee in the house. we could prioritize to work with the administration and without having earmarks. >> i am also against air marks but i a to not want him to be to ship the jobs overseas than the corporate approval with the special deals. >> the most important thing we need to re dash out is grow the economy progresses i checked with citizens across and less government.

50% of the graduates are either unemployed or underemployed. that is one of the biggest challenges we face why when you talk to montanans didn't want to travel on a state to visit their grand kids but see opportunities that their children stay in montana and educate the children then export because there is not enough high paying jobs in montana. >> good evening. you say abortion should be made illegal in most cases it to oppose government funding for planned parenthood montana us clinics that to give some low income services. why is it the right thing to do? >> it is important we provide contraception for women to make it easily accessible. at the same time we have a respect for life and a nation that has a great respect for life.

if a soldier is left on the battlefield will risks of life but one life. seek about the declaration of independence that certain and it alienable rights of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. we stand for those who are disabled, elderly and the unborn the most vulnerable. they have no voice in our society that is where i will stand for life for those were the most vulnerable in our society. curtis: the truth is that congressman daines sponsor the bill that experts agree would be an most common forms of contraception. when i was 16 years old with my first car and my first job i also used planned parenthood to access health care as i was a very independent young woman and

making decisions for myself for a lot of years. but there is only one woman standing on the stage tonight purple leaves one wondering candidate for the senate. women can absolutely trust me to trust them. daines: of bother of four children to sons and two daughters it is important to me that some day my daughters will have access and contraception when they need it. it is very important that women have full access to contraception to make sure we respect the first amendment. but that is no to make sure they have access to come% - - contraception spirit die would step in that what he

just said to mention that first amendment that he supports that hobby lobby decision to make my decisions for may. as a woman senator i absolutely disagree with that. >> representative curtis you said to support the bid jobs that come from the coal industry and also of support for the development of the supporters also have serious concerns about climate change and global warming that they caused by fossil fuels from the fuel industry and also to see environmental and community. yes i am concerned you will be warning. >> you ask a lot of

questions and coal is the important part of our economy i said -- support that goes to have stepped up to the plate to work with those with is it willing to have a conversation about how priests and for all sectors of the economy. carter that is creating a long-term plan to shift your daines: i support building the keystone pipeline into the canadian government's seven months to approve that has taken as president six years. he needs to stand with the people of montana per our local back to washington for those who want the pipeline built we passed a bill in the house but the senate

refuses to take it up for a vote. $125 million of revenue to support infrastructure as well as low-cost electricity 61% of montana electricity comes from coal. this president declares war on nicole. i was told a war on coal is no war on the call people of montana. that is what this president is doing on the national research - - resource industry in montana. curtis: spending much of his time in the private sector building jobs in china into much of his time in congress incentivizing corporations to shift profits and jobs to china. it is the surprise that he would fight so hard to ship our oil and refining jobs to china and we should be demanding the high-paying permanent jobs in coming from the infrastructure to

refine that here simic i am confused on myoclonus position she came out originally now she says but there is of law that prohibits the export of crude all of that. we signed by president gerry ford for acquire not sure why but it will all be refined and it has to me we cannot export crude. >> my dad is a lever and that is one of the union's that depend on temporary jobs intelsat and how important say hour to our states. >> now moving to the bulk of the one-hour debate on that

california at debate. we will be back in one minute. >> we welcome you back for tonight's u.s. senate debate between the democrats and republicans steve gaines along with yellowstone public radio and news -- newsmaker it -- and the first question of the second half of alaska by your ads we have finally seeing where ads on tv that we need one of us we need somebody a lot smarter than us the last should read them down the senate or maybe you have some explaining to do for

the figure of lorena. when our founding fathers and is part of the show with fe intended for plumbers and tissues for it and read do not meet them and didn't seem quite smart enough for without the right background bet and i paid proved to you to get meet stiff neck getting your experience you have the experience with one year in the end of

background as a high-school teacher? curtis: by now most folks have read in the local paper about my background growing up in poverty with the adversity that i experienced most people know that i have dedicated my life to education as a pathway to overcoming the adversity that i have experienced. the experiences i have had in the state of montana absolutely make me the best person to be our voice in the united states senate. daines: we do agree that we need a more citizen type legislatures syringas in washington. carmen and women with real-world experience to bring that back in the private said -- sector outside of washington. growing up my a mom and dad live-in the billings of my grandparents still living in the same home until she

passed away. i grew up watching a start up business from nothing and moving every year a step ahead of the bank. work with construction in to find myself through college. but we need people who have had experience to grow jobs or businesses. and with whom the candy you created it of hundreds of par pay a - - high-paying jobs in montana. >> i have to apologize because we know teachers are also very important job creators in our state and our country. >> one of your ads tops the balanced budget accountability act. and bet amazes you like

everything is cool to balance the budget and congress will not be paid if it is not balanced. but we are still getting paid in the budget is not balanced its limit that is a problem in washington. when i talk about that idea montanans loves the idea don't pay congress until the budget is balanced if you go back to washington d.c. that is how broken it is they want to hold but in montana rebalance the budget every way possible? >> because of the requirement to balance the budget. 49 states have that requirement the washington d.c. does not. that is the battle be faced with that culture as career politicians and that changes the culture of the house and the senate by electing men and women who do bring them

to government. >> isn't that just a symbolic bill with no teeth and congress will still be paid even if that happens because of only reduces a portion of their annual salary. daines: we have done a legislative research to impact the current and future congress. that is why we have members of congress we have discussions that say i don't get paid that is exactly the reason i introduced the bill because congress refuses to balance the budget. guido whole congressman from a higher standard because they hit up -- and us and our pocketbooks. curtis: i don't know if you are familiar with the average earnings and congress but i can guarantee not a single one of those is worried about losing their salary.

if all congressman daines advertisements were telling the truth when not have to stand in front of you right now. >> congressman daines talk about medicare reform. this evening i am asking you for specific solutions that he would support for the health care program for senior citizens fiscally solvent. daines: we'd need to be engaged in the adult discussion how we preserve medication -- medicaid going forward here is the problem

>> >> it will require a bipartisan agreement between republicrepublic ans and democrats sitting down and agreeing to get this done. also simpson-bowles to shoot straight with the american people but it was caught in the politics of washington and died. curtis: i will absolutely support the medicare protection act to protect the age.

and to keep medicare solvent by keeping improper payments it will keep montanans in their housing committees i will point to you congressman daines voting record. he did vote to turn medicare into a voucher system. that would cost montanas seniors up to 50 percent more with their premiums. daines: and never voted for a voucher system that i will say this. i introduced a bill six weeks ago here is a problem in washington the affordable care act right now will impose a hardship on those businesses that provide it in home health care for medicare patients my grandmother had that year in billings in her early 90's she preferred to stay in her home and come to the home and care for her instead of in the institution.

it was better for her and more cost-effective for the taxpayer but the affordable care act places of burden effective to near one and my bill asks for a two-year reprieve to keep the animal health care system which medicare patients like and it saves taxpayer dollars but the unfortunate consequence of the affordable care act. curtis: i would like to remind everyone that congressman daines has a clear voting record that cannot be ignored with the 10 percent rating at the senior organizations i support the older americans act that keep seniors in their homes and communities. >> representative curtis you have received the rating from the national rifle association of the f why

should i vote for you if i am a gun owner? curtis: i am a staunch supporter of second demand rewrite's my husband and i were out shooting at the ranch that was left u.s. citizen another example of the a their side not being able to talk about the issues we outlined so far so they turn to make me look like something i am not. daines: a lifelong member of the nra. i grew up accessing public lands hunting and fishing and enjoying the shooting sports i killed my first antelope with my grandfather and have great memories of growing up in montana with shooting sports but the second amendment as important as it is for hunting is not about hunting. it is about freedom. it is about liberty.

i received that a-plus rating from the inner a the highest score ever given to a kennedy in montana my opponent received f the lowest score ever given to a statewide candidate in the history of montana. that shows her extreme position on the issues to most montanans. curtis: unfortunately that an air raid that started off as a wonderful educational group about gun safety and ownership has become another lobbying group for corporate special interest and montanans should be much more worried about accessing their public land so we can do is our firearms. as long as we talk about voting records let me point out that congressman daines has the lowest rating of any congressman ever to represent the state of 4%.

>> for a the congressmen and you call for the montana made solution to how we restore our ailing timber industry. and it logs the levels to national forests. but why not go with a compromise to get it moving and then worked for word to expand it around the country but. >> when i was growing up we had 50 actors comment but today is only 11. federal land is down 80% for the late '80s. not because the housing industry. the current utilization is over timber products is 65 percent it would be

100 percent except they cannot get enough timber. so what john put together was a good start but that has not gone to the senate floor yet we passed a bill in the house to restore healthy for a stand healthy communities that will create thousands of jobs and will be there in perpetuity it is a good start but we have to pass the house with bipartisan support we have a chance to pass the bill of comprehensive timber reform to bring back that timber industry. i had dinner with a couple injured rica and they said poverty with a few. now all 10 national forest

including those in lincoln county. curtis: when i was in the montana legislature i solve literally hundreds of montanans show up and stay late into the night waiting to testify in favor of the force jobs and recreation act. not the bill written by montanans and represents a true compromise between timber industry and conservation groups for i have heard congressman daines say less government for he completely forgot montana solution in favor of the d.c. mandate to clear-cut forest in sponsored a land travel to sell publicly and to the out-of-state developers. daines: that last was absolutely false. but what we pushed for was the same thing the white house is asking for too steady for example,, a

building in washington d.c. with over 100 million that is vacant over 12 years it might make sense to sell that building and we will not allow the sales of public lands in montana they belong to the people and i will fight for that. make public lands public there is accessible. and i co-sponsored they need to provide a way so montanans have better access >> the bill that he spoke about was grandstanding because he turned it right around and was finding access to public lands. how many more jobs to rehab after it put the stake it doesn't seem like a sustainable solution.

>> representative kurtis immigration is raised with serious concerns about our national concerns and now public health. who and with the biological lab status of the trust for those who are working for the cdc with the national institutes of health and they are for one to find to be responsible to protect our country from biological threat. congressman daines voted for shutdown that cost those agencies millions of dollars and made it harder for those special this to do their job. he also voted against ending

the sequestration that would secure funding to that nih. >> the question was on border security. number one we need to secure our borders. i was on that house for a couple months ago and the representative from texas who was on the southern border talking to the brave men and women floor in the border patrol and said from a january 1st through early july, the border patrol had apprehended individuals from 144 different countries including ukrainian the prior week fear of 196 countries in the world but we must secure the border for the threat of isis and other terror groups and ebola and long term for the national security of this nation.

curtis:. >> i support as possible immigration reform bill sides have for together on this issue to put forth a bill to increase the number of worker bee says so, unskilled laborer of two workers fell told master's degrees in the stem areas can stay and work in our country to have a reasonable pathway to citizenship that is working together i will represent at that -- as your text united states senator. >> talking a lot to jump-start the economy to create more jobs talk about making it easier with regulation and taxes but how is this not just toward trickle-down economics?

how does that help to build the of the class? >> one is moving forward as aggressively as possible with the energy security strategy one of the greatest challenges for the middle-class is to get a good high-paying job that high energy crisis we need to move forward on the keystone pipeline the electric co-oping glass co told me the keystone pipeline if approved that few thousand customers will see no increase in their electric rates over the next 10 years and it is not approved they'll see a increase of 40 percent. why? the call lot supplies. competition that is how you help with the middle-class and a month to month with social security tax barely

making it did we do that by creating jobs to ensure to keep energy policy rollo and where gas prices dropping? because saudis see the leading oil producer in the world we will surpass russia and saudi arabia with oil production that is not because of barack obama but in spite of rock obama. [applause] >> we have five minutes left curtis: middle-class montana ask yourself are you better off in the last two years we have had congressman daines? we spent more of the same to washington d.c. of those millionaires and billionaires now you just heard for yourself i haven't ruled out a jobs plan to emphasize small business as the backbone of our economy and of the size is

agriculture which is hampered at every part of the process. i will work with both sides to come up with solutions that work with all sectors of the economy not just corporations are the wealthiest individuals. daines: if you take a trip and talk to the hundreds of individuals that depend on coal for the way of life, go to the crow indian reservation with a 50 percent unemployment rate and without development of coal resources me an unemployment rate would be between 80 and 90% how to help the middle class or hard-working taxpayers? to ensure they have a job. the national education association supports the timber bill moving forward in the house right now empty commissioner's support the timber bill because it keeps

good high-paying jobs as a natural resource timber and oil and natural gas hydro and we need to make sure we continue to support and expand our coal production here in montana. curtis: i will support the indian coal tax credits by completing understand how important energy is to our economy. i have spoken with workers in the yellowstone county refineries to are very concerned their jobs will be shut down with the pipeline to ati will take the last question. we're on the campus of them as you billings' they have a poll that showed in this race 25% of the people have not yet made up their minds. . .