but tim makes an interesting point about the type of cheating that is accepted, and that is certainly pretending to be hit by pitches one, pretending to catch a ball that was trapped is another one. that just seems to be excepted. ..

>> i will propose to you that we are still in the midst of this airwaves era. happy days. someone i never would have envisioned, i've spent so much time talking and writing about performance-enhancing drugs as i have come of it this is what we do as journalists, you present the news as it unfolds in front of you and you go with that. and so 100 years from now, students, whether they are studying holograms are reading the wallpaper or whatever they're going to be doing to study history. people look back at this time it will be known as the steroid time, not just in baseball but in all sports. so when you think about this, just a thought on this and it's not a happy one, and i wish that i were not saying it, but bill olympics started testing in 1972 and of course they still have a performance-enhancing drug problem. they still catch cheaters. and the lance armstrong saga was

a sad story couple of years ago. and it's a tragedy on many levels. it is good that we caught him and brought him to justice. but when you think about it, it started in 1972 there are still cheaters in the olympics. and they saw that there were plenty of cheaters and so baseball is 32 years behind the olympic games. and so i guess if we look at the olympics, i apologize for throwing cold water on the conversation, as we look at the olympics as our guide, as george mentioned, the bad chemists will be ahead of the good chemists. but we want to keep trying and it's very important for our culture to keep trying to catch the cheaters. but i do think that there will be designer drugs and new ways to deal with this. when there is so much money out there and way more money in

baseball than the olympics, michael phelps would be just an average employee in the baseball locker room. there so much more of this in in baseball. and they are looking for new ways to do this. i hope that i am wrong. >> in regards to scuffing and steroids, and i think that and in this distinction like in golf, one of the things we like about baseball is that this is a working class game and it doesn't have some of the affectations of the upper class and gentlemanly behavior. finally, it is just a game and for all we love it, it doesn't really matter.

and so it matters in our hearts but not in war on peace terms. so i totally admire this although the surge seems so on artistic. and so i'm just trying to think through that distinction. the finally showboating part of the game, it has and has offended me in some cases a little bit more than other things. and i think that googling ryne sandberg and his hall of fame speech, the speech he gave was one of the best ever given and he just talked about how he played the game in order to live up to the standard set by the people who came before her. and it was about non-showboating area it is a beautiful wall speech about how to behave. >> the next topic, instant replay. torch once said that sports

should be the triumph of character. openly tested and not of technology. what is your reaction to baseball using instant replay? >> full disclosure, i am on the committee, the major league committee they came up with the instant replay although the heavy lifting was done by others. i was being conservative and slow to learn and resistant to all change. and there's a hot dog in the concourse and the 43 people that have happened, they are called

umpires. and they have to learn how to spell bluetooth. so people don't have to walk over and put on headphones. and they won a game on a walkoff replay. and it's better than a walkoff mistake. >> a few years ago they spoke about judges being like umpires. and i think that that is true. and so you have to have an appeal to the umpires in new york who revealed the replay.

the only thing that's wrong with the system is they only have two levels. and you need something to keep some hires in new york and mine. [laughter] >> the speed or lack there of in baseball and "the wall street journal", it was an article, in 1964 ewald was put in play every two minutes and 29 seconds and now it's every three minutes and 33 seconds. the gametime in 2014 is 13 minutes longer than it was in 2010. and it might have something to do that between 2009 and 2012,

the number of children playing baseball and america between the ages of seven and 17 years old fell by 18%. and so if you are the commissioner successor of baseball, do you do anything to address this issue that gains increasingly slower pace? >> you used right word, it's the pace of the game and not the length of the game. the people that complain are the sportswriters. it matters because tom has demonstrated that by now only 81% of pitches are even put in my and the idea of going deep into the count, getting into the middle, which is supposedly where mediocrity was in baseball, the trouble is that it's something they don't get anything from. and what we are getting from is having six or seven pitching changes per game and they take

time. and they typically come in ostensibly because there might be a difference between this and the pitching mound and if i could ban batting gloves, it is just unbelievable that everyone got this disease. [laughter] and john miller, the great broadcaster not long ago watch this, a kinescope of game seven, 1953 world series, can't get more intense than that, not once during the entire game that either a yankee or daughter about. and the culture of baseball has changed and he talks in one of his pieces just two days ago about it took 3.5 minutes

because the batter would step out and then the pitcher would step off and it's just a whole culture of baseball that has to change after starting in the minor leagues and saying that their livelihood depends upon a more intergenic amount of individuals. >> this is kind of what george is talking about. adam struck out looking 72 times in one season. ted williams never struck out 72 times in any season swinging or looking. joe dimaggio struck out 32 times and that was his career-high. and he struck out looking 72 times and mike trout is the best player in the game and he he struck out looking to be three times and it's an epidemic in the game that we are all so preoccupied with.

a walk is better than ahead and a walk is never better than a hit. it is good. and we have a generation of players now who are saying, hey, let's work this year. and there are a lot of things that people swingout. this was eight years ago and it gets worse and if i strike out, fine. and you struck out and you stink. that is what he said. [laughter]

and that is a fascinating conversation for anyone who loves baseball for that matter. and so will we see potentially them saying not tomorrow but maybe in the next 15 or 20 years -- you know, baseball, obviously there is an injury in trouble for this in any sport. there is a chance that you could get hurt or injured or what have you. but we see parents want to start directing their kids back to baseball from football. it raises the question i don't know what the future holds, but this story is going to be fascinating to watch how that plays out over the next few decades and likewise one of the things that and you have friends

that brought this into the world series to bring their transistor radios end. and no child who has been able to talk about that or say that, much less say what happened beyond what the third or fourth inning of any world series game has been because they've put to bed. how many kids are we losing because they don't get a chance to watch it? lamaze spot, i actually am glad that slower than other sports. how many of us have taken kids to game and watch them enjoy it. and watch them sit there and talk about their parents and i think it is a wonderful welcome relief from the computer and i hope that the game doesn't start

to start this but just the joy of watching the game with a child, there's something that's just not better than that. >> i sort of agree with this. and all of this is sort of baseball that happens with baseball. fox does a great job with the cutaway shots and that is a comment. and i don't know where that came from. but i just realized i'm on c-span. fantastic. [laughter] and so i just want to say one thing. let's move on.

and that is for the last 20 years my baseball experience has been about 80% baseball and only 20% professional baseball. and in my view it's in part due to the game but in large part because of the poor quality of the coaching. practices just standing around and that is the reason the people are playing this. >> justice alito, would you like to weigh in on this? >> i would like to see it sped up. the time between pitches, scouting out and part of it i think is probably television and i'm not sure -- that is probably a factor in the problem that baseball has with young people and i don't know how important

it is. and i will occasionally record a football game. you can watch an nfl game in probably 15 minutes. i might be exaggerating. the time when something is happening is very short. and so i do think that people, baseball is an acquired taste. it's not as appealing to people who don't have the background in baseball. when you take them to a baseball game, they don't know always, it's about as interesting to them as it would be if we went to see a cricket match. and something is definitely happening. i will tell you this little story. my son and i went to a game here last year and sitting behind us there was a young man with a date. and i couldn't help but hear what they were saying. he was definitely trying to impress her. with how much she knew about

baseball. she didn't know much because she wanted to know whether a ball was a fair ball or a foul ball. and that is the percentage of pitches that the batter hits with his back. [laughter] >> we are coming back with this panel. >> and so besides every categorization, the story that i

will tell quickly, let with the panel tell their favorite story and i read after president nixon resigned from the white house come up a few years later he's trying to restore his image and he would go on talk shows and he was in the green room before was his time to go on the show and the person who is going to be right after him enter the green room and it was the lawyer, anti-vietnam, these people have been talking about each other and hating each other for years. but they had never met. and so here they are in this room, all by themselves with no one else around. they talked about the one thing that they could feel good about. and that was baseball. so i will ask the panel if you have situation where you thought maybe a door was closed or there was some reason that you were going to connect with somebody but the subject of baseball brought you into harmony.

[laughter] >> well, and i would be keeping score with my date for the evening or afternoon. and we had a great time. and i would also say and at the same time detroit was ablaze and so many of our cities were dealing with the aftermath of the martin luther king assassination and the reaction to it.

to this day people in detroit and even people around michigan, they talked with him about this and he was at the upper peninsula. a young boy growing up the same time and we have talked about this. i was in toledo. that we remember hearing about this and how they were unifying that city even as the city was almost defying unity with all of the trouble. and one of the things is that there were three african american players playing major roles and pro-western as well. so that even as the community was corrupting and understandably the issues and especially down the countries back then. you have the african-american population rallying around this because of those three african american players.

and i think that that is kind of a nice story. >> you have a story? >> i think democracy is served because this is served by baseball. because there is so much in this. every team that goes to spring training know that it's going to win 60 games, every team knows they're going to win up to 60 games. and so if you win 10 out of 20 games, your definition is mediocre if you win in 11 out of 20, you could probably win 89 games and may play in the postseason. it is a game in which democracy is the system and no one gets everything they want. baseball is the sport. >> speaking of this, i covered the 1980 orioles that lost the first 21 games to start that the season. no team had ever come close to doing that. so frank robinson, the manager

takes them out to eat after loss number 18 in minneapolis. i guess that he needed some support just casually at dinner i said, if anyone interesting called with any advice or anything, he said yes, he was a big kid and he said look, the president of the united states call me today and i said, frank, what did he say. and he said i know what you're going through and he said mr. president, you have no idea what i'm going through. [laughter] >> has baseball ever open up a friendship or door for you? >> i've never been out of touch with anyone. [laughter] it cements friendships. so we want to talk about this

because we are called shields and broke and we want collett brooke shields. [laughter] and so before that it was shields and coolidge. and so we talked about politics and on the early talk about sports. so to just have that is constantly unconscious ways to spend the time. one thing i take seriously is stability requires self-restraint. one of the great philosophies is a book about this and it's called -- about how to control your mind. and it's controlling what you pay attention to. and so he's always for offense. just go after the header and do

not waste the pitch to go forward it's very simple. if you're on the mound come you should of two things. selection and location. and 73 out of 87 is what he said. what he meant meant by that as the ball left my fingers 73 times prickly. after the ball leaves her fingers come you have no control. so the but focusing on weight control and limiting your own process as to what you can do. that assures the essence of baseball and maybe of civility. the final thing i will say is that i'm always resistant to this, mixed baseball with the rest of life, the rest of life

is messy and unpleasant in baseball is a hobby. i don't write it professionally, but it's just a name dropping in a bit. i was invited to have lunch with the president, i drove down to southern virginia where my son was playing baseball, and one of the players from around pittsburgh was jim's son and he was sitting across before he came back to the game and i remember thinking that i am so thrilled to see that guy. [laughter] and so the president comes and goes. [laughter] >> we will let you close. anything that has helped do? >> mixing baseball with the rest of life, i think that would baseball does her fans is to channel natural aggression and

tribal instincts which people have. dave and i are sitting here and we are very civil. but i guarantee you that now that this has gotten higher and things have changed, back in the not so old days, if i went to shea stadium with a phillies hat and they were winning when they came there and he was cheering wildly for the mats, that they actually have a lockup in the stadium and it shows you something about it. and so it channels people's natural tendency for something that really isn't as important.

>> turning the program over to george mitrovich. [applause] >> let me just quickly -- let me thank c-span in my lifetime, 46 years in politics, no more significant thing happened then c-span. and c-span has been so extraordinary in what they have done and we are grateful that c-span decided to share this with us today and we plan to share with the nation. i want to acknowledge the president, if he is still here from homeland security secretary. are you here? and so my appreciation tonight, wonderful friends from texas, my very great appreciation for

mr. brooks. and to all of you, let's do the appropriate thing and think this extraordinary panel. [applause] >> the campaign 2014 coverage on c-span. follow us on twitter and like us on facebook. get debate schedules and video clips and previews from our politics teams. c-span bringing you over 100 house and senate debates and you can instantly share your reactions to what the candidates are saying. the battle for control of congress. stay in touch and engage by following us on twitter at c-span and liking us on facebook

>> gordon brown spoke before a part parliament last week about the relationship between the united kingdom. last month scotland voted 55% to 45% to remain part of the uk. gordon brown is from scotland and served as british high minister from 2007 to 2010. >> we come now about this. >> the question is, mr. gordon brown, the petition that i present today, signed by many people and the referendum and this was made by those before the scottish referendum is kept. it was organized by those in the

initiative and its preamble talks about amending that violence and asking is free of any new conditions. and i'm pleased that the leader of the houses with us this afternoon on tuesday. and he makes it clear to move ahead with english lords, and it is an effect a reduction in the right of representatives at westminster. i'm grateful to the secretary of state and i would like to look at where we can agree rather than where we can disagree to see if it is possible to move beyond this on a timetable and to see whether there is a well to resolve issues including

northern irish representation and rights. in an attempt to be constructive, i have five suggestions that could help to avoid what should never be allowed to become a constitutional impasse in this house and country. first of all, i believe that we can all agree on this from the housing benefit to the conduct of elections as well and there are areas where we would have to ask them to accept the proposals including entrenchment of the scottish parliament and constitution and new powers over the work of graham and the franchise, and the executive authority for health and safety inequality with their roles. there are also areas that we would ask them to accept these proposals for the fiscal commission and for an understatement for taxpayers in

how the scottish parliament's money is spent and where. given what has been said by each party and their submissions, there is an agreement on every one of these new powers and i hope the secretary of state will say that he believes also that this can happen. secondly, the three remaining powers late to income tax and to this as well. and i think that there is general agreement that we can talk about this in scotland and at the top too. i suggest why we reject this and we should retain this is a shared tax across the united kingdom with 75% to the scottish parliament alongside evolving 50% of the revenues and this will ensure that the test of accountability is met with those responsible for the majority,

54% of spending in 2016, the year in which these proposals would be implemented. and thirdly, i would like to think that we can help all of you with this, that the status of scotland or northern ireland in this house should not be downgraded. and i want the leader of the house to read the report of the commission, the conservative party recognizes in contradiction to statements made by the leader of the house subsequently, they should continue to vote on all issues that come to the floor of this house of commons and this is actually what the conservative party said in putting that evidence before the referendum. in our view it is important that any sense be resisted that the northern irish constituency performs any lesser approach than those in england. the establishment of constitutional arrangements for the future of the uk must

address this and it would be unfortunate if the ceiling were to gain ground. even such as we have proposed it continues to have significant responsibilities safeguarding the interest of those representing. it was not the intention of the conservative party before the referendum to withdraw scottish numbers of parliament within the uk. and this express by the prime minister should be our guide in this issue. i've always said that we should be prepared to have a change in committee procedures under which this would form the committee that debates them. but we should insist and i will explain why later, that when any bill comes to the floor of this house, that the whole house and nothing but the whole house is

able to vote. the fourth proposal is that we should agree that the case does exist for far-reaching changes in our constitution. that does require the light of public debate and it could take the form of the convention that could engage all the civic society and i believe it already in the secretary of state can talk about this, the liberal democrats agree with the party on this course. finally i think that we should all agree that we should focus not simply on the constitution but on the issues raised by the citizens of scotland. not just on this but on what we would do with these powers and how we can create better jobs and a better national health service waging war against poverty is part of our commitment to social justice. these were the issues raised in the referendum and we should give our attention to these policy issues immediately. mr. speaker, the constitutional crisis that is in this, this is what it is and it has to be

addressed and i'm pleased if the house is listening, it arises from the statement made from the prime minister, when he promised english laws. but the proposal in practice turns out not to be any new english rights of representation but a reduction in the scottish rites of representation in the house of commons. this was clearly an issue in the referendum and it's this that talks about the positions that have dominated too much of the scottish political debate since the referendum. but conservative plans for the constitution, i think member should understand that they do not end there. with the proposal to devote income tax to the scottish parliament, they would then be remove not just from ordinary lawmaking on english matters but from the most decisive that we

can make on income tax rates and passing the budget. and so seeking this of their own we could find that this would be excluded from the white to vote on budget and tax decisions, something that in the end make sense london which is also his teaching foreign powers of taxation. the proposal to evolve as from voting on income tax is, in my view, anti-scottish and anti-british and it's anti-scottish because it would exclude scots and make them second-class citizens in the house, but it's also anti-british because it is a shared tax that threatens to end the whole system of pooling and sharing resources that underpins it and it looks like something

that would split the union and enable them to get to the back to what they cannot get through the front door with the scottish people. mr. speaker, england is 84% of this union and 533 english members talk about the 117 parliamentarians from the rest of the uk at any time and english predominance is so great that everyone of them have to balance the majority to enforce the will of some protection for the interest of the minority nations and america, australia, spain, brazil and germany and many other countries have found ways of managing the gross inequalities in the regions or provinces or nations. the provisions that make these so that this light english laws

simply mimicking scottish roots for scottish laws does not ensure fairness and the house debates on tuesday that half a million people, the smallest state, they have a same number as 30 billion people. and this includes 700,000 people having the same representation as new south wales. and so this includes than national council of provinces and the mexican and nigerian and brazilian senate in a constitution written by the uk it has about 30 times the population, but only double the number of this with the streets. seats. so we are not unique. countries have to make special arrangements to recognize the position of minority nations or regions and ensure that uniform provision does not require, it

is not the means to ensure a quality and fairness of treatment. and i will give away once because i have brought it to attention. >> we recognize the defense of the union. asking about this on the issue of equality. as a result of this, scotland has doubled this and by ruling out any change, and i appreciate that, what this vow involves, he is sending a message to the elderly and avoidable in my constituency that somehow they matter less. what would he say to them? >> the leader of the liberal party's top about this as well as leader of the labour party. it wasn't me who talk about this formula but them. and the reason it exists at is

to allocate resources according to need across the whole of the united states and united kingdom. because this is the issue that is at stake. no country in the world, this parliament has first and second class of representatives and there's no democratic state in the world federal or otherwise are one part of the country pays income tax and the national government and another part is not. yet these are the two proposals of the conservative party. it would be strange if this house, calling itself a worldwide beacon for fairness and equality before the law, then it became the first lawmaking body in the world to decree first and second classes of representation. if this were only about the rights of members of parliament, it might remain inside issue among the political situation. at this is first and second class citizens, it is not simply about the sensitivities of a few politicians but the status of

each nation in what is hitherto be one united kingdom. according to a first-class status in when that one to scotland, and possibly then too wales and northern ireland, the effect of it is that the government would also be a servant and not sure whether the existence depended from this to the next or if it was in the whole of the united kingdom. members might find it quite appealing that no one can be under such a system ever again to be chancellor of prime minister of this country. if i may say so, that is closing the door 20 years too late. also prompting the commission report that i quoted earlier, scottish mps are and must remain as outside as any other to hold high government office, including the offices of time in the dirt. this is not my view, but this is the view of the conservative party record from this

commission. mr. speaker, i want to tell you that this is a way forward with the people built around the sensible exclusion, not only to people in england, including people in cities and regions of the country, but also to a wider debate about what kind of constitution our country needs. with scotland has shown is that it is possible to engage the public in a debate about the distribution of power in our own country. so as the debate, it has proposed that it makes a great deal of sense. under the last government we brought citizens to debate other rights can be respected by extending that process to the constitutional convention that embraces every region in the nation and civic group, but not

an angry opposition to the voices of scotland and wales and northern ireland, but along side them with what i want to see putting together a better future and all regions as part of one united kingdom. >> mr. carmichael. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i would like to start in regarding this debate and i would like to commend them for the role in the course of this referendum campaign. no one has the passion and enthusiasm with the contribution that he needs to secure this and i know that like me he felt that he was talking about this for

himself and also for his children and their generation. and this includes giving him a legacy in which this will be to pass. mr. speaker, i would like to make a few observations, first of all, on the general state of things today. and then i will come talk about this by the gentleman in his speech. and this has been a topic of referendum and the consequences have never been far from this. and i welcome this. it is a good and right thing for this. and it needs to be part of the country, which improves its resources. scotland has come through a long

time of uncertainty. this has put an end to this. with a positive choice from over 2 million people in scotland to remain within the united kingdom, to work to build a better united kingdom for all. because that was the clear verdict handed down by the people of scotland. in one generation is perhaps once in a lifetime. both agreed from the outset that the objection was to hold a referendum that would be legal and fair and decisive. and that referendum was delivered. but it means that the decision has been made.

the question should be asked again in three years time. so has the result gone the other way, it would've been considered acceptable. including giving us a rerun in 2017. people want to reject this core proposition and it is not for anyone to tell them that they got their answer wrong. uncertainty will only try people's patience and sap the confidence just as it did in montréal. the s&p has been given an answer by those in scotland. including acknowledging and accepting up to 100% of the people of scotland. >> okay, asking you to come up

with english roots and english laws, 17 members have signed a motion from a debate. >> mr. speaker, i say that caution him. time and again he seeks to suggest that somehow or another that they can start looking for the answer. he says time and again that somehow the prime minister, weeks for everyone to undermine public confidence in us. if he is still wanted to pursue this, if he wishes not to talk about this, then that is fine.

but he is is insisting in good faith and they are certainly talking about how all this works. and this includes the verdict of the people that will not deliver the content of this. and outcomes are detrimental the core unity and this comes pretty much to the heart and this includes we do not have us by the back door. so during the referendum campaign that timetable supported by this and others of ways to strengthen scotland within a secure the secure united kingdom and that is what people voted for and that is what we shall do.

and this is delivered to the timetable that we have promised. so in fairness there is an outcome of this that will not be independent and placing it with a genuine recognition of that fact. and so talking to the gentleman, he talked about this agreement and forgive me if i don't address all 16. in this includes constructing this and it would be wrong for me to try to second guess the

outcome. so first of all of the heads of agreement that she will construct should be ones which are consistent with respect for the decision of the people of scotland and that is that they must be consistent with the continuation of the united kingdom that will retain this in the four nations will continue to operate this as a single country. and this includes the terms of a command that was published on monday and people are reminded in chapter two of the principals

in 2012 and i would just remind that with any proposal, it should first of all have included party support and should be based in evidence and probably that should not be to the detriment of other parts of the united kingdom. so in regards to all three points for smith to come up with it proposals, which in any way undermine the constitutional integrity would not be consistent with the framework that we have given to them with the command. so i hope that we will take some comfort from that. and i've always said that it's true that the constitution independence referendum also does give the opportunity, not just to give it the extra that

we believe are wealthier than other aspects, but also to see a process of constitutional change take place across the whole of the united kingdom and this includes building the strongest and broadest possible consensus in this includes the number of times in scotland and it is due diligence hurried it does require this is a political

party because we see this through the presence of their own selves. for that reason you have to bring in the voices and just out of this is something to see. so for that reason we have something to be compassionately believing in the united kingdom and i see an opportunity in relation to building new constitutional architecture. and i very much hope the gentleman will remain engaged in the debate as we have this substantial contribution to me what do we have an unprecedented opportunity here. the commission to move forward through the collective endeavors of all of scotland's biggest political problems and never before the parties come together

in scotland than in this way. that is something to applaud and all of those must be willing to compromise as the gentleman himself has already indicated and i commend him but he is art event for this already. it's an opportunity to harness energy with a quite remarkable debate to secure the basic deals of all of scotland. and this includes taxation, welfare, and the challenge is a result for those who are elected. this includes a considerable task. and so of course this process is

not without consequences for the united kingdom. the gentleman touched already in the course of his speech on the subject of english laws and it was clear from the debate that we had here and also from other contributions that that is going to be a live debate for some time to come. and so in my view it's a solution which is seen in and of itself to face the ones which already existing with the constitutional sentiments. and this brought the intricacies that will strengthen the united

kingdom's democracy. and again i think the one thing that we can look upon, it was not yet any clear consensus into what this should be in this includes the situation. >> we absolutely appreciate the time and emphasizing this. and we hope to acknowledge this highly political speech that has opened up the doors to these types of questions and we probably wouldn't have been in this position. >> i would think that the minister was reflecting about questions being asked in other parts of the united kingdom.

and this is one that repeats the comments of the prime minister himself including that change in scotland will not be held up in this as a symmetry that will not be allowed to hold up the progress because as i said it's pretty clear that we are to have much of the consensus that still requires to be done in the rest of united kingdom. and so mr. speaker we accepted the united kingdom is proceeding in good faith.

>> you are delivering what we said, but you can't deny it, and that is why he is remaining in us. mr. speaker, in a the few minutes that remained to me, it's clear that the referendum was won decisively and everybody else was pleased that indeed will be good for our children. >> the question is if we are adjourned. order, order. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> coming up next, the 12th district and candidates from idaho. ..

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> moderator: good evening from the cultural civic center and marion illinois. welcome to the first of two broadcast debates by the three candidates running for congress in the 12 districts. the candidates are state representative mike bost republican of murphy's burrow, green party candidate paula bradshaw of carbondale and incumbent u.s. representative bill enyart democratic of belleville. the candidates will be questioned by wally parker of

the senator newspaper janitor -- jennifer fuller and beth of the belleville news democrat. i will be your moderator tonight. we will begin with a two minute opening statement for me to the candidates and the order of which it was determined by drawing before the debate. representative bost will have the first opening statement. bost: thank you jack and thank you to the southern illinois and the end the belleville democratic -- or putting on this debate. i look forward to talking about the issues, presenting our opinions and our views. you know whenever it came time to decide whether or not i was going to run for this office it was a tough decision. my family and i sat down and talked about but a lot of people have asked why are you looking to do back? folks i have got nine grandchildren and this country is not headed in the right direction for them to have a

future that they need whether it's jobs here in southern illinois, the dangers going on overseas, our borders that are out of control. i feel it's my responsibility as their grandfather to work for them and you just try to make it better. that's what i'm asking to do. i have been out meeting with the people and talking about the issues realizing the problems and concerns. with my past experience believe me i've heard plenty and there are problems and there are things that need to be done to let me me tell you this job is his servants job. it's a servants job. and the person that holds it needs to remember that you keep in constant contact with their constituents. and you do that by attending meetings, by having town hall meetings and despite just being a good servant. i look forward to tonight's debate. i look forward to the

opportunity to answer many questions that i believe will be asked here tonight. thank you again. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: i would like to thank the sponsors this evening including the belleville democrat and wsi you. i would also like to thank the illinois voters for sponsoring this. i would also like to thank my opponents this evening. paula i would like to thank you for your many years of service in the medical profession as an emergency room nurse. kudos for a great career and thank you for that and mike congratulations to you. thank you for your 20 years of serving as a state legislator in springfield. you know when i was asked to run for congress two years ago i left a job that i loved. in the national guard as a major

general to take this on and i very early learned that i was walking in the footsteps of giants. i was walking in the footsteps of legislators like paul simon, like when bashar and kenny gray, like jerry costello. southern illinois expects leadership like that. southern illinois expects statesmen like that so it's been a learning experience for me to walk in those footsteps. you know, as a politician it's awfully easy to make promises so what i'm going to ask you to do tonight is examine the promises and then look to performance. i have been endorsed by the illinois farm bureau because i promised i would support agriculture and i have done so. i promise that i would support our coal industry. i've been endorsed down, and of

the three candidates on the only one that has the endorsement of the united mine workers of america because i have followed through with that promise. i promise to support veterans and i have followed through on that promise. >> moderator: senator bradshaw. bradshaw: hello and thank you to everyone who put this debate on. right now in hong kong there are thousands of people out on the street because they want to bring more democracy to their country. they are tired of having their candidates pick for them by the government. we have the same problem this country. it's very hard for third-party candidates to get on the ballot and if you do get on the ballot the people of hong kong will probably tell you you can't win. they don't want you to win so why should i waste my vote voting for you? you are just a spoiler. you may even cause came to lose the election. are people, our candidates here are picked by the government. they are picked by big money and

dick durbin once said let's face it the banks own this place. i call for a sales tax on wall street speculation to help raise money. i call for a progressive income tax, more progressive income tax and the call for publicly owned nondebt-based money supply so we can balance our budget and pay for needed services so the banks aren't going to own me. big oil and gas in and the military-industrial complex also observed an unwarranted -- from congress as eisenhower pointed out. we call for renewable energy into the trillions of dollars spent on aggressive wars overseas so they are not going to like me either. we call for full employment in the act of 1978 calls force of people and forced to work for poverty wages at big-box stores and fast food places. they are going to buy me either.

i have a grandchild and big money doesn't approve of my message. >> moderator: thank you very much. it's time for questions for for the palace. each candidate will have two minutes. the first question comes from raleigh parker. >> representative bost we are going to start international policy. global terrorism has changed and it now causes national borders based on religious ideology. one of the most dangerous groups include isil based in syria and northern iraq. former defense secretary leon panetta stated recently that he believes that the u.s. should have armed syrian moderates early on but the plan was rejected by president obama. tell us, what are your thoughts on combating terrorism? our airstrikes enough or do we need boots on the ground? bost: let me explain to that i wish we could go back and i'm sure we all do and there would have been troops or at least the

police force do not have those young men and women shed their blood in vain but let me also tell you that as i believe airstrikes are one path right now as unelected congressman we would have to look over each situation and make a decision. let me also explain this. as a marine i come from a side that i understand military enforcement and like is important to have a force readiness ready to handle this but i also come, as a marine father and the day that my son left for iraq was one of the worst days i've felt in my life and that is because i would have gladly when he walks down through that airport went in his place. but i did not have that choice. in this job you will have the choice to understand that

everybody that might be sent when you make those decisions are being sent in their someone's child whether a son or daughter so we do need to make sure we keep it under control when those battles occurred not on our soil. we must make it safe and we have to be careful. >> moderator: ms. bradshaw. bradshaw: for 13 years we have given up liberty. we have given up -- we have gone to millions of dollars into debt. we have killed over a million people around the world and now 13 years later they tell us we are still not safe? our e-mails are collected, our phonecalls are collected and we are still not safe. that may tell you why. give me back my freedom. if the nsa is collecting phonecalls on everyone in the world figure out that 2,020,000 jihadist are going to cross the border then what good are they? what good was it spending that

money on all those lives if we are still not safe? i say give me back my freedom and stop the war. as far as moderate rebels that is obviously a misnomer. anyone that's killing people is not a moderate. there are syrian moderates. they are working to the political process to try to change their country. they have a parliament in syria and some of them have been elected. that is a political moderate, a person that is cutting off heads and slitting throats is not a moderate in the united states should quit giving them arms. syria for three years the united states have been helping to back the so-called -- first to call them peaceful protesters even when there were 600 dead soldiers and policemen they were calling them peaceful protesters. now we are told that the moderate rebels gave the arms to isis so what is the solution? give more arms to the moderate

rebels. i don't understand the thought process here. the best thing we can do is quit funding the rebels, jihadist is what they are and tell her friend saudi arabia across the jordan and the rest of them the uac need to quit funding the jihadist. they almost were winning and now they're not. enyart: thank you jack. the last five years of my military career i spent in the national guard out it was my duty to train, equip and order are young men and women into combat so i think this very seriously and is one of the reasons i set on the house armed services committee. i think i have a certain expertise that no one else in congress has. you know we tend to look for immediate solutions and i think

what we need to do is remember the history. look at the old testament. these wars and butchery has been going on in the middle east not for generations, not for centuries but thousands of years that we can't expect to fix that next week or next year or in 10 years. it's a long-term problem with a long-term solution. we cannot have terrorists controlling large swaths of territory and exporting that terror to our shores and butchering our citizens who might be there. it's interesting because one year ago, 14 months ago over the labor day weekend i flew back to washington d.c., to take a classified briefing on syria. syria was the hot topic in the president was talking about going and then. the american people were adamantly opposed.

he listened to the american people and did not win. today i think before we put any boots on the ground that no local nations and i'm glad to see the arab league stacking up -- stepping up and helping control terrorists. those local nations will have to put their boots on the ground. i think we are going to have to provide air support and the intelligence and the logistics support to help them curtail these terrorists. >> moderator: the next question is from jennifer fuller for paula bradshaw. >> bradshaw was a party to say that thomas duncan treated for ebola in an isolation unit at a texas hospital has died. that marks the first person who has died from the disease in the united states. if the u.s. government doing enough to protect americans from ebola? at the government banned flights to west africa to this country until the disease has been brought under control and more what more would you propose to ensure the safety of american

citizens here at home? bradshaw: fiesta that should be a no-brainer. if you have got a virus killing people and you want to stop the spread then you quit letting people fly from one country to the other. as far as this guy they came from i believe it was liberia and brought the virus with him they have done what the proper public health responses. they put the family and her quarantines. when i was four years old i got the measles in the public health department came out and slap a yellow sign on the door of our house and it said we were under quarantine. that's how they dealt dealt with a backend and that's how we should deal with it now. no one was allowed to come into the house and i wasn't allowed to leave until the measles were gone and then they took the yellow sign off and that's how you deal with it. as far as putting people in liberia -- here's the problem. nigeria has gotten this disease

under control. life. just had a terrific civil war which this would destroy the public health system. you have to have a strong public health system to have public health so you know they should do in liberia and sierra leone but they did a nigeria and you quarantine people. you don't drag them across town and the problem was apparently the people in the house wanted to go out and go shopping. they didn't have any food. the proper thing to do with whether they did in texas to take the food to the house-senate united states wants to help with that, with giving food to these people than i can see that but the ridiculousness of sending troops to fight a virus, thought it was ridiculous when they wanted to send troops to stamp out evil but now they want to send troops to stamp out a virus. it's really ridiculous. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: thank you jack. the ebola virus i was asked

recently by a reporter about a week and half ago and the reporter said well, what about this humanitarian race? i told the reporter the ebola virus is not a humanitarian crisis. it is really a national security crisis. the ebola virus is incredibly dangerous. we have to immediately swing into action as paula said essentially quarantine this. we have to get this problem solved because the rapidity with which it has spread it's frightening and that fatality rates ranges as high as 90 plus%. this is a disease that is incredibly dangerous. currently it is a disease borne by bodily fluids but that would make it become an airborne -- airborne disease the rapidity which that could spread around the world is incredibly frightening. i think this goes to show and

the ebola virus has been around for years. we have known about the ebola virus for years but levi's managed to curtail it and it is not made is not made the leap since beginning to make today. so i think that we have lagged behind in research. we need to ensure the cdc, the center for disease control is properly funded and we have the resources necessary to help fight this. we need to be doing the medical research and development and unfortunately my opponent mr. bost has slashed funding for the cdc/funding for research and development so i think mr. bost owes an explanation to citizens as to why he wants to slash medical research and development in/the center for disease control when they have viruses like the ebola virus running rampant in our world. i have the red card so thank you. >> moderator: senator bost.

bost: in the words of ronald reagan there you go again. you are not going to do it to me. i never said i would order the -- budget and that is a lie. now back to the question. let me tell you that is an issue that i have been very much paid attention to. my brother-in-law is a missionary but just came home. thank heaven everything checked out with he and his wife and his daughters. but as paula mentioned the real problem is that you have one country in liberia that the center for disease control does need to be involved with so2 try to fight this they are but yes the president has the power to control our borders and to stop the influx of anyone from most countries. i believe that should be done and once again i never supported the paul ryan budget by the way. >> moderator: the next

question is for representative enyart. >> this question comes from bellevue news reader from cheryl matthews. students and parents are learning a new way to implementation of common core standards. as the debate over whether this new system will help bridge the gap between students and american schools many are wondering what role the federal government should have an education. what is your stance on education collection of there be a strict federal standards and what role should the u.s. government pay -- play in paying for? enyart: best i can tell you i've heard a lot about common core and i've heard a whole lot about the testing that goes on in schools. my daughter-in-law tanya is an eighth-grade teacher in belleville and being an eighth-grade teacher mean she's going immediately to heaven but the problem that we have in our

schools today is there is far too much teaching to the test. we are not teaching kids critical thinking skills. we are teaching them to take tests. you can take a test and be good at taking tests that all that proves is that you are good at taking tests. it doesn't prove that you are educated or you are good at critical thinking skills. i've heard that same complaint from teachers and school administrators and from parents as i've gone around the district meeting with people. you know as i talk to employers what employers want, employers want skilled, trained folks who have the ability to divide three eighths by two and have the ability to master skills. you know what i was at southwestern illinois college on the granite city campus a couple of weeks ago i met with the young lady named dawn. dawn was working as a housekeeper in a hotel. minimum wage, couldn't get 40 hours a week, two kids at home,

food stamps, couldn't support the kids. didn't have the money to put gas in the car by the end of the week but what she did, she took a course in welding and today she is working as a robotic welder operating this incredible machinery, making a good middle-class wage and with a great fringe benefit package. she has got health insurance. she's got a retirement plan and that is what she has done her obtaining training. i have sponsored the jobs act and the workouts both of which focus on those kinds of training, both of which work and community colleges and we have great community colleges in her district. >> moderator: representative bost your response. bost: thank you. whether it's common core, no child left behind i've been a big believer that the federal government should not be involved at this level of our education. it should be handled at the state and local level.

who better knows how to educate her children? who better knows the unique situations that each school district faces than our local schools and our state's? you know, i know that there's this great big dream of building this big government that will come in and take care of education. you can't paint it with that broad a brush and that's the problem and i believe it should be controlled at the state and local level. >> moderator: representative enyart. candidate bradshaw. bradshaw: that's probably why the state of illinois is in such deep debt and we are not going to take any federal money to help us out. i can tell you a unique situation of a lot of our local schools are starved for funds. they are laying off teachers and cutting programs. teachers are having to reach into their own pockets to buy

supplies for the kids. this is untenable. i think the federal government should indeed put some funds into the schools. common core on the other hand although again it sounds like a great idea there should be a common set of things that every child in america knows. how to read, how to write and some teaching of civics would be nice but of course, and core is not about that. it's about teaching to the test in the teachers don't like it. the kids don't like it. it turns all of these teach to the test kind of things are turning schools into cheats and liars. we never have this widespread cheating before until the federal government stepped in and said you people, you kids have to get better and better every year. what are they going to do? lose their funding? they lied. i think it's an atrocity in any system. need to get teachers together with administrators and parents

and figure out a better way to teach our children. i really think schools should be about helping every child reach their full potential in whatever teaching method works best for them. i don't really think schools should be places where they turn out little robots were employers benefit. mod said mali parker has it question for representative bost. >> represent abbas this comes from a reader of the southern illinois and the republicans in the u.s. house have repeatedly voted to repeal the affordable care act known as obamacare. to this point the effort has stalled in the democratically-controlled senate. do you support the act in what action do you think is that if you are elected? bost: when i'm elected i will be one of only 435 so will work in the confines of working with those on both sides of the aisle to try to come up with a sensible plan.

let me first off tell you that the idea of obamacare having health care that's affordable portable and dealing with pre-existing conditions is a good idea. the problem is the system failed tremendously. the question is do we want to repeal and replace or have small changes to try to correct what has already been put in place? let me tell you there's about 60 bills and about temin of them have been placed over that were repealed. they have some kind of a modification or change. they are laying on harry reid's desk. our congressman chose to only vote for one of those and it was where we delay the implementation on business. folks let me tell you that i do believe right now that what the president is doing as far as

holding a pill and changing the bill after-the-fact without taking it to congress is not right. i don't think it's in the his powers. i think he has overstepped his powers. without being said we must make sure that we work together to find a solution and quit the gridlock. there are bills over there. he just said that. the senate has to take these bills up to cure the problem before it negatively impacts businesses come january 1 and individuals come january 1. whenever it is not affordable, when it is not available and with all the problems when you put the regulations and everything with it. >> moderator: paula bradshaw's necks. bradshaw: obamacare is another example of using what the american people want to screw them over just like no child left behind. everyone wants education for their children. everyone wants health care but obamacare was never about

providing health care for the people of america. it was about providing subsidies and giveaways to the insurance companies. if america really wanted to provide health care to the people of america they would train more doctors and open more clinics and make sure that the public health system was healthy, better water stayed clean we would never ever think of fracking because that would be an outrage to public health. we would give up cold because that causes so much asthma in children and older people. if we really cared about public health we would make a healthy country and train more doctors. it's interesting one of the first things of obamacare that was implemented with $50 billion to force every hospital in every doctor's office in this country to go to computer records and

let me tell you they had to drag us kicking and screaming because it's so inefficient and so ineffective. i know that hospitals in dallas didn't catch the a bullet is because the nursing computer program didn't connect to the doctors computer program. even though the nurses knew it was a man who'd been from liberia the doctor didn't see it because he wasn't on that screen. that's obamacare for you thank you very much. it was a boondoggle for both the insurance companies and the computer programming people. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: thank you jack. i need to backup on second. i think i heard mr. bost say i lied when i said he endorsed the paul ryan budget but i was in my barbershop on east main street in belleville a couple of weeks ago and they handed me a brochure. one of my campaign staff have

the brochure and on the back page, the back of that folder it says number one that i would vote for the paul ryan budget and number two it says i would vote to repeal the aca or obamacare. let me tell you i was not in congress when obamacare or the aca was adopted. however we have taken, think its 56 votes but virtually all of those votes were worked to repeal obamacare in one way or another were the aca in one way or another. when the administration was wrong in the aca needed to be corrected by a voter to correct the nasa would need to do. first of all there are some revisions in there that are beneficial to folks. for example you can keep your child on your health insurance until that child is 26.

i have got a very good friend whose wife had cancer about 10 years ago and nearly died but she recovered. she would not be insurable today if it weren't for that obamacare. how about a child who is terribly ill as a child. back in the battle days there was a lifetime cap that could be spent on health insurance. that cap has been eliminated because of the aca. if you have a child that has a terrible disease at an early age where you have a spouse might get cancer and is required to go through incredible amounts of treatment, i got a red cards i've got to stop. >> moderator: the next question is for jennifer fuller for candidate bradshaw. >> the department of veterans affairs has been criticized for secret waiting list all of the nation. we are two miles from local va hospital here in marion which has had its share of problems. what confidence do you have that

the new leadership is taking appropriate steps to clean up the va and what further changes would you make? bradshaw: actually that ties into the last question when i was talking about public health and training more doctors and opening up clinics. i also should mention the green party calls for medicare for all which would simply instead of having a 700 page bill in obamacare you would amend the medicare act to take away the age limit of 65. that would solve the problem at the age limit and pre-existing conditions. that would solve the problem of expensive health care conditions and it would also, solve the problem of the veterans administration. if you had one single force of medicare in this country and everybody was entitled to it you wouldn't have to have this hodgepodge of health care providers. as far as the waiting list we

have waiting lists and private care too. my mom was told she might have lung cancer and she needed to see a pulmonologist and they gave her an appointment for months down the road because there were no appointments earlier than that. so performance should believe she had lung cancer and we are supposed to believe this is the best health care system in the world? clearly we need more doctors. we need more clinics and we need more health care providers as well as a single-payer health care insurance. >> moderator: representative enyart your response please. enyart: thank you jack. once again i'm going to look at promises and performance. immediately after i was elected before i was sworn into office and i was sworn in on january 30 last year i went to the marion va hospital. i went there in december and i went there for one reason because i learned when i was a young nco a young officer that what gets inspected gets fixed.

congress has oversight authority over the va and we have to inspected. we have to exercise the responsibility. even before i was sworn and i went there and i didn't just talk to administrators. i talk to veterans. i talked to front-line staff and administrators to see what was going on. i've been back. i've been to va clinics the outpatient clinics in mt. vernon and belleville. i've been all around talking to veterans to ensure that things get fixed. i sponsored a bill which would require the veterans administration to make a determination on veterans disability claims within 120 days and if that decision wasn't made with them 120 days the veteran would be presumed to be disabled then receive those benefits. guess what? by my merely introducing that bill and pushing that legislation the veterans

administration has reduced the backlog of disability claims by 40%. i want you to compare that no to mr. bost's record. mr. bost refuse to vote for a bill that would have increased veterans beds and illinois veterans homes. he refused to vote for that bill. oh by the way he refuse to vote for that bill but he did vote to raise his pay by 9.6%. [applause] he also -- >> moderator: representative bost. bost: thank you jack. back to the question, let me tell you that it is important to make sure that our veterans are provided for and i have stood for veterans and all of my time in the state of illinois and i will continue to do that when elected to serve in washington. let me also say that it's also

important to keep in touch and i would visit the veterans home as well but i would also have town hall meetings about it when something starts going south. mr. enyart you did not do that. you had a town hall meeting after i've put one together and that was your first town hall meeting. with that being said let me tell you in that vote that you claimed against veterans occurred. it was rob okoye thich's budget. you remember him, he's the one that made you a general. [applause] >> moderator: hold the applause until the end. thank you very much. the next question is for representative enyart. >> congressman according to the credit reporting bureau students across the country a $1.2 trillion in student loan debt. this is an 84% increase since 2008. the report says 40 million americans have at least one open student loan and on average they

owe $29,000. this tremendous debt on the younger generation may influence their decision to buy a home or a car. the federal government has any responsibility to address this debt by the rising cost of college tuition? enyart: thank you beth and before you answer question i want to spend 10 seconds correcting mr. bost's apprehension. governor blagojevich did not make me a general. i went to the u.s. army war college and was selected by a board of active duty officers to serve as a brigadier general and was promoted, i was nominated to the united states senate by a fellow by the name of george w. bush. [applause] and was serving as the commander of the land component that the army national guard of the state of illinois. i was subsequently promoted to

general by a board of active duty army officers and nominated by george w. bush. to your question best of student loans. student loans are an incredible drag on the economy. when young people graduate from school and that's part of the problem we have with the va. doctors who graduate with hundreds of thousands of dollars in indebtedness can't afford to come down to marion illinois and work for the va hospital for federal government wages. instead they stay in chicago or new york or in st. louis where they can earn a much bigger paycheck to pay back the student loans. now one of the things that i support and that i have cosponsored is a bill that if passed would limit the interest on student loans to just over 8%. there was no such interest provision and you now let's talk about the paul ryan budget one more time. the paul ryan budget would allow the banks to charge any amount

they want on student loans even though the bank at zero risk because they were guaranteed by the federal government. if you buy a house and borrow money for between three and 4%. i saw the credit union had an add up on their web site the other day with or you could buy a car for 1.8%. why should -- thank you very much. >> moderator: representative bus. >> according to the credit bureau students across the country 01.4 trillion which is in a% increase since 2008. the report says 40 million americans have at least one open student loan and on the average of $29,000. this tremendous debt on the younger generation may influence their decision to buy a home or a car. does the federal government have any responsibility to address this debt or the rising cost of college tuition?

bost let me tell you the bill that congressman enyart spoke about make sense. it will allow them the opportunity and we would agree on that issue, to make sure that they can afford these loans and continue to work and take a longer time to pay it back or whatever so they can have that opportunity. >> moderator: paula bradshaw. bradshaw: while i was interested in hearing you would like to meet with your constituents in the town hall meeting. is that like when you demand it town hall debates and he wanted everyone to have the ability to hear you speak 12 times? and when it came to -- you were just too busy to come? i guess so. as far student that goes i don't think teenagers should be put in to debt for the rest of their lives to get an education that will get them a job with a living wage. everybody that works deserves a

living wage and i think children should not get into debt at all to go to school. we should have free college tuition for every qualified student that wants to go to college and i should be free and available to any qualified student like i said but for children or teenagers are people that don't want to go to college that doesn't mean the nation has to live at substandard wages for the rest of their lives. these college degrees being sold as a ticket out of poverty, 40% of our people are now living at or near poverty. this is ridiculous. they can't go to a welding school and get a good job. that leaves a whole lot of people behind and i don't want just no child left behind, i want no worker left behind. i think everyone should have a living wage as i said and college should be free to all qualified students in vocational school too. if someone is good at welding or

repairing cars or whatever their passion is that i think they should be able to go to vocational school for free and we have to be able to, if we had to publicly controlled nondebt-based money supply we kid sent to the economy money for valuable worthwhile things like education and health. >> moderator: the next question is from molly parker to representative bost. >> representative bost the federal environmental protection agency has proposed new rules for carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants among other plans to turn greenhouse gas production. do you support these many coalmines and power plant stand to lose substantial. how would you protect those workers in southern southern illinois while balancing the need for cleaner environmental? bost: let me tell you that serving on the cold war to the state of illinois, working in the environment and energy side working side-by-side with people that own and work in united mine

workers to try to make sure that we are able to continue to mind our coal and use our coal. the epa came up with these regulations that could devastate and let me tell you working on the public utilities committee that we know that 42% of our energy in the state of illinois comes from coal burning power plants. only one of them burned -- colon fortunately but 42% use gas and 6% and i would love to see more of that but only 6% comes from solar and wind. that being said we can't all of a sudden throw the same switch and walk away from our coal. we can't nor should we because it can be used in heat used here in this united states wisely. we are shipping overseas. i am glad that we are able to mine our coal but if those ep were a rules had been passed,

i'm sorry, have they gone into place they could have devastated us. the reality is there was a bill that did stop it. it was sent to reid's desk again it still laying there but unfortunately our current congressman to vote on that. however he did come back after the court said that it stopped and he really did not want to do that all along. that's not the way he voted. >> moderator: paula bradshaw. bradshaw: put the coal industry is doing is pitting the interests of the miners are the coal mine owners actually against the interests of farmers who have to deal with the global warming effects against the interests of the wineries and the interest of the children with asthma and the people who have brain damage from her curry poisoning.

this is pitting the interests of a small group of mine owners against the rest of the people in america and the world because the effects of global climate change go all over the world. we have droughts and wildfires and floods and hurricanes and many people suffer. you say we can't flip the switch. yes we can. if the money we spend on proper fuel subsidies and war, if we can turn it into renewable energy switching arbor structure we can do it very quickly. we can mobilize very quickly when we want to. america is known for being able to rollout the new industries and a small amount of time. just because 40% of ra and she comes from coal now doesn't mean it always has to. that's an illogical conclusion. you can draw a much more rational conclusion in yes our energy comes from coal.

yes coal is harmful to the environment, children, the oceans, the climate. therefore we can switch because we know what the combination of energy conservation and renewable energy we could go totally renewable nfs. period of time. so carbon emissions are just a band-aid on a gaping wound. they weren't going to do any good anyhow. we need to get off of coal and other fossil fuels and onto renewables. >> moderator: represented enyart. enyart: thank you jack. i want to backup to student loans purchase among the 92 . out that state representative bost voted against the community college act which would have provided grants to graduates of those committee colleges who had a 3.0 average or better to attend the state university here in the state of illinois.

i think folks need to ask mr. bost why he voted against that act to provide students with scholarships attend state schools. going on to your question. promise is performance. i promise when i ran for election and today i serve as the cochair of the congressional coal caucus. it's very unusual for a freshman legislator to serve as the chairman but i service the cochair when republican john shimkus also from illinois was the bipartisan chairman of the coal caucus. why do i serve on that coal caucus? because 40% of our electric power is generated via coal. we need a balanced approach he here. everybody agrees we want our kids to breathe clean air. we want our kids to drink clean water.

what we have to do is we have to achieve our energy needs in a balanced manner. we can't turn off those coal plants tomorrow. we can't turn them off in two years. i have met with an epa administrator and got her to agree to extend the comment on these proposed regulations. remember they are just proposed regulations. you still have the opportunity to comment. i ask you sent my office or comments. i will ensure that every one of those the voters of illinois 12 kids to the epa so the epa knows how we feel about it. i am the only candidate up here that's been endorsed by the united mine workers. >> moderator: thank you all out there. jennifer fuller has a question first going to paula bradshaw. >> fracturing has become a highly debated issue including here in southern illinois. do you you support this oil and

gas extraction process and should there be if standards similar to those in place for coal and if so what changes would you make? bradshaw: i don't support it. i think the regulations are ridiculous. you can't control what happens a mile under the ground. what they are doing with fracking is they are taking clean fresh water that all life on earth depends and they are mixing it with poison chemicals. then they inject it into the ground at high pressure so it fractures the shale upon which we are living causing earthquakes and it releases the gas which is highly radioactive as well as being bad for greenhouse gases and global warming. i don't see what regulation could possibly take away the danger of earthquakes water contamination air can did -- air contamination climate change. that's another thing so no i do not support fracking. i support renewable energy like

i said and we can switch to renewable energy very quickly. i don't know why people think we can bomb syria within a week. there's no money spared him back but when it comes to protecting their own people here at home, then we don't have the money for that. we don't have the money for renewable energy. we have to frack. we don't have the money for renewable energy. we have to burn coal so i think we should have our priorities straight and instead of spending $50 billion to bomb other people we should spend $50 billion to switch to renewable energy here at home. >> moderator: represented enyart your response please. enyart: thank you jack. you know i have read a couple of studies on fracking and what i have read indicates that the biggest two letter word in the english language, if the proper

engineering is used in the proper precautions are used, if the proper regulations are followed they can be safe. now, illinois has been strictest legislation in the nation. illinois has the strictest. it has the best law and the nation. why does it have the best law? it has the best love because represented john braley from here in marion put all the players in the room. the producers, the sierra club and other environmental groups, the regulators, put everybody in her room and they worked out a compromise solution. nobody got everything they wanted but you know what, there is no free lunch. no matter what energy source reuse whether we use oil, whether we use solar, wind nuclear upk type of nuclear and energy source to pay a price.

we must ensure that we are going to to frack we have some environmental regulations. but let me tell you remember murray energy? that was the coal company in west virginia were the dozens of miners got killed. why did they get killed? afterwards it was found that murray energy had violated hundreds of safety regulations in force. so we need to have the proper regulation, not over overburdened some but remember bp oil in the gulf of mexico violated safety regulations. let's ensure the regulations we have are tough, strange and designed to the people and the environment and enforce them instead of failing. >> moderator: representative bost. bost: thank you jack and let me answer in the fact that the congressman on fracking is correct on almost everything except for the fact that it was

mike bost and david ross and working together in a bipartisan manner we put some of the toughest rules in place so we can actually go after our natural resources in a safe manner protecting our water or groundwater, our surface water and also protecting the air, making sure that there are certain locations that we monitor. we monitor before the process starts and after the process begins and well after the process is over. we also have catch up pools to make sure there's any blowback 110% is -- we were also able to work with the business side because they have certain -- let me tell you that less than .06% of what they use is more than anything in more than saltwater or sand. when they use those chemical compounds which are similar to soap those compounds are given

to i.t. and are so we can test the soil and the water prior and during and after. it is a very safe process and a sensible process but the most important thing is that to put people to work. income tax from people working in income from sales tax from products that are bought and moved and a severance tax that goes to the state of illinois. properly implemented and implemented quickly could help alumni. i supported the bill and work side-by-side, bill in long negotiations and bipartisan manner to get a successful safe bill in the state of alumni. >> moderator: her next question is for representative enyart. >> according to the congressional joint economic economic committee of illinois at a 272,500 jobs since february of 2010 the national low point for private-sector jobs.

there are still 65,900 people unemployed in illinois than when the recession began. what can the federal government do to ensure increase job growth and please be as specific as you can. bost: certainly. we have had 55 months of strait economic growth and the good news is that the recession has been easing. the good news is that wall street has recovered. the bad news is that main street has not recovered. we have seen new records set daily on wall street and we have not seen in a record set on main street. to address the unemployment question and it's interesting i was in mt. vernon last week and mary jane chesley proudly showed the mt. vernon -- in front of me and said look at this and that unemployment had java 1.5% over year ago in mt. vernon.

that was the belleville democrat last week it had dropped 2%. the problem is not all of that growth is happening throughout the district. where the growth is happening and where jobs are growing and blooming are in areas where we have good transportation infrastructure. the metro east area. if you look at the area by 275 those warehouses are blooming pretty good look at melbourne and mary chesley will tell you about the -- lines. we have the infrastructure they are so those jobs are blooming. what we need to do in those areas is look at the other counties, the counties along the river. we need to develop that transportation infrastructure in the second thing we need to do is we need to provide the training in the skills to upgrade which is why sponsored the work act in the jobs that.

what those do is focus on providing training for unemployed and underemployed folks that provides a scholarship for unemployed folks were up to two years for $2000 per year in order for them to get the training in the local community college system. >> moderator: representative bost your response. bost: i think this would be a good time to go to the story about i was talking to a congressman the other day and he said he had an olympic swimmer they came to him and said what is the problem with jobs and why is a bk get growth and why are the problems the way they are? explained it this way. right after the second world war if you are an elliptic swimmer and a swimming competition at you finish to link the heads for some reason we decided well that's not fair so let's put a five-pound weight around your waist and we will call a regulation. i will tell you what we made the race again.

now if you aren't too links ahead. you are one link in it but that's not fair either. let's go 10 pounds and drag you down. and then we were almost tied but that just wasn't enough. finally over so many years ladies and gentlemen our federal government and the epa and other rules and regulations have placed such regulations on us that we can't compete in a worldwide market. i think it's time to shed the weight and start putting people to work. i want to make sure everything say but i don't want to put myself in a situation where my children and grandchildren can continue to work and provide a living for themselves here in the united states. that's the issue that needs to be dealt with. it needs to be dealt with honestly, straightforward and make sure that we removed that so that our jobs can compete in a worldwide market and we can put people to work and become self-sufficient.

>> moderator: ms. bradshaw. bradshaw: the reason the united states as it had world war ii was this all industrial countries were bonded and rubble. as a matter of fact in the 50s they average corporate share of the federal tax revenue was 28%. now it's down 10% and they are screaming that that's too much for them. in the prosperous 50's they pay 28% of federal funds and the top tax rate on the very rich was in the 90th percentile. so i don't think you can say that high taxes and regulations are what brought this country down. let's go further back in history. let's go back to the 19th century when this country was being industrialized and workers were dying like flies on the railroads. on the railroads they die, in the minds they died. in the mills they died in and

they fought for regulations. what regulations are laws for corporations? .. >> >>