maloney: that's flat wrong what you just said so let's be clear because i don't want folks getting confused. there is no vote certainly not by me. this is one of the methods we found only got to washington. what happened is before i got to congress this energy regulatory commission cooked up this artificial price hike and congressman hayworth said not one word at the time. i asked it to write a letter, did she give a speech or do anything? the answer was zero, zip, nada. but we did was we worked across the aisle. he and i've been hand in love and the poughkeepsie turtles turtles that we have done done excellent work. we wrote letters and petitions. i met with the sheriff sheriff of the rayleigh trade commission told her this thing stinks. when all else failed we passed a bill through the house of representatives to stop it in its tracks. pure tea party fantasy and it wouldn't apply to the ferc

action in question. here's the truth. the poughkeepsie journalist saying we are doing excellent bipartisan work and we are going to stop this energy high. i'm proud to tell you as of november 5 ferc has agreed to reopen this in response to my legislation. we are going to win this thing by working across the aisle. i can't believe the congressman wants to talk about it if she is no record at all of this issue. >> moderator: congressman hayworth. hayworth: again your rhetoric and your fantasy are there but in fact in and 2011 i took action to reign in ferc before but for this price hike could ever happen and that's something i know you'd rather forget about. what the rains act does is makes federal regulators accountable. i know you support the president's agenda congressman maloney and i know you support this policy agenda that races are energy prices and makes life

difficult for people in the hudson valley. you've done it consistently but what the rains act is simple common sense. if any federal regular ones impose rigorous and our people and hudson valley or anywhere in the country it will cost more than $50 million and they have to be accountable to the congress and an up-or-down vote. that's common sense. if that bill had passed i cosponsored them voted for it in 2011 and if that bill is passed we would have never had to do it at. congressman maloney voted no to the raines and that's why we are in the mess we are in. maloney: it's a red herring and it's also a terrible bill. it's a terrible bill. the league of conservation voters called it a radical attempt to destroy safety and environmental regulations. right now we are in need of putting whole new regulations in place to counter the ebola crisis. the bill the congressman supports what subject that to a

vote that even congress is working great then you should listen to run the raines thing. it's a way to let the most radical congressman vito safety and health and welfare regulation like these oil shipments and allow us to respond to crises like the ebola epidemic and its white thing called radical. i passed the bill specifically targeting a republican to stop this energy price hike. we got a pass to the house. that is more than anyone has done on this and we started from behind because she she left a mess she left the she left a mess and return to clean it up and we are going to win this thing. >> moderator: thank you very much. >> let's move onto foreign policy and specifically the middle east. as you know we are engaging in airstrikes in iraq to combat the islamic state and we are also arming rebel area to engage directly in the islamic state. president obama said he does not

want to put boots on the ground but each day it seems we are hearing more negative news when it comes to the advances of is isis. dr. hayworth i'm going to start with you. first you think the present strategy is working and is working into cop do you think at some point the u.s. is going to have to put troops on the ground to directly combat -- hayworth: like everybody here i'm deeply concerned and alarmed by the turmoil we have seen in the middle east and the violence by americans and other countries people being by isis. this is a terrible threat. we have real problems in the united states because there has been a lack of leadership by the president. it's a problem not only for us but for the world. what we need a president to do is articulate a clear strategic goal, a clear national interest which we certainly can do. international cooperation with

competence by her allies that we are going to back them up when we say we are going to do. we need a new exit strategy that is crucial. we need to have a plan for victory in an exit strategy and we need to have accountability to the public. until they public is led on these crucial issues is very hard to have confidence in what he is doing. >> moderator: congressman maloney you fail to stand up to the president on issues like this and that is a problem that we have in addition. >> moderator: you think the military -- if we really do want to combat isis? hayworth: their military expert status of that but unless we have leadership on the present and a clear vision that articulates goals that obtains cooperation that has an exit strategy so that we are protecting our troops, yes i am concerned about it but i don't

want to commit troops unless we have that clear leadership from the president. the congressman does not challenge the president on issues like this. maloney: that's ridiculous. i voted against the authorization to do this action. i stood up to my own party and the leadership and that's why i'm in the top 3% of all members of congress. i'm working for you and i don't think we had a good plan on us and i think everything that goes by proves it. the congressman said in the poughkeepsie journal wish to put american troops on the ground. that's a terrible idea. what we need is we need a real coalition and real partners and they don't exist right now. where are are the others in the country's? i do not support putting american kids in the middle of the syrian war or a regional conflict between sunni and shia. i stood up to the present of this and i think that was the right thing to do. i want our kids here. i wonder kids getting good jobs,

going to school getting an education starting a business. if you are going to have to spend them on washington and pour them back into the communities. i don't want our taxes going all over the world to these other countries in all these ventures that i want to build bridges and i want to build a new port in newburgh and invest in a message to america. i don't believe that a plan for success in this conflict that we can capture or kill the people who hurt our citizens. we have all kinds of tools and our kids and i absolutely support going after these guys who hurt these americans are them and capturing and killing them and bringing them to justice. >> moderator: we are going to try to move on to a new question at this time. nick. >> on the hudson river and indian point energy center the question is for congressman -- congressman maloney. should indian point be recertified and if not what should replace the power generated by the facility as a source of energy in the area?

maloney: what i have said is we need a responsible plan to close indian point. the congressman says let it go forever and don't worry about it. it might have have something to the fact that she receive more money from the nuclear energy industry than any member of congress when she was in office. we have all seen the horrors of fukushima. as a parent and a member of the community i think we have to ask tough questions about whether we can keep it going. we have all kinds of new generation coming on line. we have transmission opportunity and we never know both projects that the congressman has been criticizing. they're all kinds of ways can replace that 2000 megawatts and we know where it can be done intelligently. communities that create jobs for transitioning these plans and grown the economy and the surrounding area. i'm concerned about the economy there but nobody would put a nuclear power plant in the middle of our tensely populated region today and it's a ticking

timebomb. i'm not satisfied with evacuation plans with emergency procedures to the congresswoman says let's keep it going forever. i vote we can transition away from indian point and keep energy prices low and keep the economy going and get that thing off line. >> moderator: dr. hayworth. hayworth: indian point center is closed, closing indian point is the congressman advocates and i'm not surprised because he wants you to pay more for your energy and that's why he won't rein in the energy prices. you can imagine what it would be like if we shut down indian point which would result in a 30% spike in our electricity prices here in the hudson valley. people simply can't afford that congressman and 2000 people would lose their jobs. not only that but indian point only water vapor, no carbon. if you want to talk about low-carbon and if you are a real environmentalist talk about a

zero carbon footprint from the synergy center. is it a crucial source for local energy? yes. is a need to be safely operated? absolutely. that's the number one concern and i visited with the folks there. i know that they are doing their best to make sure that indian point is safe and reliable and it's a great green source of energy for us. congressman it would be a terrible burden on the people of the hudson valley and our environment if it were shuttered. that's a bad idea. >> moderator: a quick rebuttal and if he could be more specific about what transmission opportunities are available. those projects are controversial. maloney: the congressman received more money from indian point and a member of congress so of course she wants to pick up the check. look, here the facts. even the people who support indian point will tell you that in 20 years it's gone away. we have to put in for a new source of energy at that location and if you look at the natural gas generation coming on

line right now in hudson valley if you look at transmission and initiatives that the government -- governor is put on the table if you look at the opportunities for conservation of the bill called called the pace bill that would allow homeowners to make energy-efficient improvements. i've a bill that would allow schools to do modernization for green energy. we can do a lot better on that and if you look at the renewable technologies coming on like biomass of the congressman for political reasons is criticizing which is interesting technology and things like wind and solar there is every reason to believe the weekend responsibly move away from indian point and remain forever the horrific threat of a nuclear accident in the middle of the hudson valley. >> moderator: congress -- congressman i want to give dr. hayworth a chance to respond to that. hayworth: i supported all of the above energy plan that will lower our energy prices, not raise them the way the congressman will. number two when he takes credit for the pace act that is

congressman maloney classic. i was the original sponsor of that bill in the house of representatives. i was the one who put it together. not to fail to credit the folks in patona who came up with the pace plan, a great democratic councilman with whom i have worked in a bipartisan way to make sure we got that bill on the floor. we need to have energy price we can afford not to a million dollars for the project that will only play. >> moderator: we have to ask you to wrap up. >> we are out of time and we have had some lively exchanges. dr. hayworth you are starting us off. hayworth: i want to thank marist college and time warner cable news and cable news in all a fire hose and congressman maloney for joining us tonight. folks there is a very clear contrast here in where the candidates here stand.

i stand with you. i stand with the hudson valley. i stand for jobs in the hudson valley, real jobs that mean we can put people to work because our mom and pop businesses have endorsed me will have fewer burdens lower energy prices, lower taxes and less regulation. congressman maloney wants washington to make the decisions. he wants you to line his pockets with campaign dollars that he can maybe direct the money to you including $200 million worth of hard-earned money in the hudson valley to go toward a project that is an incinerator not an energy generator. congressman it's just a shame that the folks in the hudson valley have someone standing with washington right now and set up with them but i will stand with you. >> moderator: dr. hayworth thank you. congressman? maloney: thank you all for allowing the debate and thank you to marist college. folks he gave me a chance to represent you in washington and i want to say thank you for that. it's been the honor of my life

to do so and i'm very proud that we have listened to you and the solutions we worked on came from you. we listen to our vet silly pass legislation to lower discipline -- disability wait times. we passed the farm bill and upon the crop insurance to help farmers. we listen to folks who said fix the dance and the local infrastructure. that's why i got on those committees. we have so much work to do together. i promise you i would not forget i was the product of a middle-class family. son of a disabled veteran, a bill clinton democrat and i'm proud i build one the most bipartisan records in the congress top 3% as rated by independent observers. here we are again with a choice to make. are we going to go forward together, keep this progress up keep someone in washington is fighting for you and listening to you or are we going to go with the radical agenda of congressman hayworth quickly rejected that two years ago and it was the choice because when he toured together. we need to create good jobs and build the hudson valley where kids want to stay and can be prosperous and were all of them can be free and have an equal

opportunity. i'm asking for your support again for another two-year term. i will fight for you in washington. thank you very much. >> moderator: congressman thank you very much and dr. hayworth thank thank you. that thank you. i think concludes our 18th congressional district debate that i want to thank sean patrick maloney and nan hayworth for participating. thanks to our audience, very quiet and respectful and i appreciate that and also home. remember that the election is on november 4 and we encourage everyone to get out there and vote. we would like to remind you to stay with time warner cable news and twc news for all your decision 2014 coverage. thank you so much for joining us and good night.

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executive editor ben bradlee died early this week at the age of 93. tomorrow's three. tomorrow 6:00 p.m. booktv will air a special encore booknotes from 1995 as mr. bradley discusses the good life, newspapering and other adventures. >> in illinois 12th congressional district incumbent democratic congressman william enyart seeking a second term as a representative mike mike bost met in a debate earlier this month. the 12th district is located in the southern part of the state and includes franklin, pulaski and madison counties. this race is considered to be a possible according to rothenberg political report in roll call. ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> moderator: good evening from the marion culture and civic center and civic center in maine and lanai. welcome to the first of two broadcast debate by the three candidates running in male and i 12 house district. the candidates are state representative mike. maloney: republican of murfreesboro, green party candidate paula bradshaw of carbondale and incumbent u.s. representative bill enyart's democratic melville. the candidates will be questioned by molly parker of the illinois per. jennifer fuller and beth hundsdorfer of the belleville news democrat. i am jak tichenor and i will be a moderator tonight. we will begin with a two-minute segment for me to the candidates in the order of which was

determined by a brawling brawling -- drawing before the debate. representative enyart will get the first opening statement. bost: thank you jack and thank you to the southern illinois in the belleville news democrat or putting on this debate. i look forward to actually talking about the issues presenting our opinions and our views. you know, whenever it came time to decide whether or not i was going to run for this office it was a tough decision. my family and i sat down to talk about but a lot of people have asked why are you looking to do that? folks i have got nine grandchildren and it is -- this country is not headed in the right direction for them to the future that they need whether it's jobs in southern illinois, the dangers going on overseas, our borders that are out of control. i feel it's my responsibility as their grandfather to work for them and you, to try to make it

better. that is what i'm asking you to do. i've been out meeting with the people and talking about the issues, realizing the problems and concerns that my past experience believe me i have heard plenty and there are problems and there are things that need to be done. but let me tell you that this job is a service job. it's a servant's job. and the person who holds it needs to remember that you keep in constant contact with your constituents. and he do that by attending meetings, by having town hall meetings and by just being a good servant. i look forward to tonight's debate. i look forward to the opportunity to answer many questions that i believe will be after tonight. thank you again. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: thank you jack and i would like to thank the sponsors including "the belleville news-democrat," the southern

illinois in and wsiu and the league of women voters for sponsoring this. i would also like to thank my opponents this evening. paula i would like to thank you for your many years of service in the medical profession as an emergency room nurse. kudos for a great career as an emergency room nurse and thank you for that. mike, congratulations to you and thank you for your 20 years, nearly 20 years of serving as a state legislator in springfield. you know when i was asked to run for congress two years ago i left a job that i loved as commander of the national guard as major general to take this on and i very early learned that i was walking in the footsteps of giants. i was walking in the footsteps of legislators like paul simon, like glenn bouchard and kenny

grey, like jerry costello. southern illinois expects leadership like that. southern illinois expects statesmen like that. so it's been a learning experience for me to walk in the footsteps. you know as a politician that's awfully easy to make promises so what i'm going to ask you to do tonight is examined the promises and then look to performance. i have been endorsed by the illinois farm bureau because i promised i would support agriculture and i have done so. i was part of a successful adoption of the farm bill the first time since 2007. i promise that i would support our coal industry. i have been endorsed and of the three candidates before you today and the only one that had the endorsement of the united mine workers of america because i have followed through on that promise. i promise to support veterans and i have followed through on that promise. >> moderator: ms. bradshaw.

bradshaw: hello and thank you to everyone who put this on. right now in hong kong there are thousands of people out on the street because they want to bring more democracy to their country. they are tired of having their candidates picked for them by the government. we have the same problem in this country. it's very hard for third party candidates to get onto the ballot and if you get on the ballot i'm warning people in hong kong they will probably tell you you can't win, the big money. they don't way to win so why should i waste my vote voting for you? you are just a spoiler. you might always -- even cause pain to lose the election. our candidates here they are picked by the government. they're picked by big money and dick durbin said once let's face it, the banks on this place. while i call for a sales tax on wall street regulation to help raise money. i call for a progressive income tax and i call for a owned

nondebt-based source of money supply so that we can balance our budget and pay for needed services. so the banks aren't going to follow me. the oil and gas and military-industrial complex also exert an unwarranted -- on congress. recall for renewable energy and an into the trillions of dollars spent on aggressive wars overseas. they are not going to like me there. we called for full employment in the humphrey act of 1978 so that people aren't forced to work for poverty wages at big box stores. they are going to buy me either. i am paula bradshaw and big money does not approve of my message. >> moderator: thank you very much. it's time for questions for the panels. each candidate will have two minutes. the first question comes from molly parker for representative

bost. >> with that is there with international policy. global terrorism has changed and it now crosses national borders and based on religious ideology. one of the most dangerous groups include isil based in syria and northern iraq. former defense secretary leon panetta stated recently that he believes that the u.s. should have armed syrian moderates early on but the plan was rejected by president obama. tell us, what are your thoughts on combating terrorism? our airstrikes enough or do we need boots on the ground? bost: let me explain to you that i wish we could cope back and there would have been troops. there would have been at least a police force do not have those young men and women who shed their blood shed their blood in vain. let me also tell you is i believe airstrikes are one path right now.

as an elected congressman we would have to look over each situation and make a decision. now let me also explain this. as a marine, i come from a side that i understand military force and why it's necessary and why it's important to have a force readiness ready to handle this but i also come as a grandfather and a day that my son left for iraq was probably one of the worst days i have ever felt in my life. that is because i would have gladly when he walked through that airport went in his place. but i didn't have that choice. in this job you will have a choice to understand that everybody that might dissent when you make those decisions being sent and they are someone's child whether his son or daughter. so we do need to make sure that we keep it under control and those battles occurred not on our soil. we must make it safe. we have to be very careful in

how we handle it. >> moderator: ms. bradshaw. bradshaw: for 13 years we have given up liberties. we have given -- we have gone trillions of dollars in debt. we have killed over 1 million people around the world and years later they tell us we are still not safe? or e-mails are collected in our phonecalls are collected and we are still not safe? well let me tell you why. give me back my freedom. if the nsc that is collecting phonecalls and everyone in the world couldn't figure out the 20,000 jihadist were going to cross the border then what good are they? what good are they? what good are they? what good was spending all that money and all those lives if we are still not safe? i say give me back my freedom and stop the war. as far as syrian moderate rebels that's obviously a misnomer. anyone that's killing people is not a moderate. there are syrian moderates and

they are likely -- they are working through the political process to try to change their country. they have a parliament in syria and some of them have been elected. that is a political moderate. a person that is cutting off heads and slitting throats is not a moderate in the united states should quit funding them, quit giving them arms. syria was almost for three years the united states has been helping to back the so-called moderates. first they called them protesters. even then there were 600 dead soldiers and policemen they were calling them peaceful protesters and they switched to moderate rebels. now we are told the moderate rebels gave the owners to isis to what is the solution packs give more arms to the moderate rebels? i don't understand the thought process here. the best thing we can do is quit funding the rebels jihadist is what they are, and tell her friend saudi arabia and turkey qatar jordan and the rest of them the uae they also need to

quit funding jihad is. they were almost winning and now they are not. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: the last five years of my military career i spent as a commander of the national guard and it was my duty to train, equip and order our young men and women to combat. so i take these duties very seriously and is one of the reasons i set up the house armed services committee because it's the only serving retired major general in congress i think i have a certain expertise that no one else in congress has. you know, we tend to look for immediate solutions and i think what we need to do is remember the history. like the old testament. this butchery has been going on in the middle east not for

generations, not for centuries but for thousands of years, so we can't expect next week or next year or in 10 years. it's a long-term problem with a long-term solution. ..

and helping in this problem in controlling terrorists those local nations will have to put their boots on the ground. but i think we are going to have to provide the air support and provided the intelligence and logistics support to help them to tailor these terrorists. >> moderator: next question is for paula bradshaw. >> is reported today that thomas duncan that patients being treated for ebola died that marks the third person to die from the disease in the united states. if the u.s. government doing enough to protect americans from ebola? should we ban flights to the country until the disease has been brought under control and what more would you propose to ensure the safety of american citizens here at home? bradshaw: that should be a no-brainer. if you have a virus killing people and you want to stop the spread and you quit letting people fly from one country to the other as far as this guy

that came from i believe it was liberia and brought the virus within, they've done what the proper public-health response is. but the family under quarantine. when i was 4-years-old i got the measles and the public health department came out and slapped a yellow sign on the door of our house and it said we were under quarantine and that's how they dealt with it back then and that's how we should deal with it now. no one was allowed to come into my house and i wasn't allowed to leave and then they took the sign off and that's how you deal with it. as far as putting the people in liberia is the problem, nigeria has this disease under control but liberia just had this perfect civil war which destroys the public-health system. you have to have it strong public-health system to have public-health so you know they should do in liberia and sierra leone but they did in nigeria

and just you quarantine people. you don't drag them all the way across town. the problem was apparently the people in the house wanted to go out and go shopping because they needed to do the proper thing to do is what they are doing in texas, take the food to the door of the house house and if the united states wants to help with that with getting food to these people than i can see that but the ridiculousness of sending troops to fight a virus i thought it was ridiculous when they wanted to send troops to stamp out evil but now they want to send troops to stamp out a virus? it's ridiculous. >> moderator: representative enyart. enyart: the ebola virus i possessed about this by a reporter a week and a half ago. and the reporter said well, what about this humanitarian crisis? i told the reporter the virus is not a humanitarian crisis.

it is really a national security crisis. the ebola virus isn't credibly dangerous and we have to immediately swing into action and as paula said essentially quarantine the syndicate this problem's fault because the rapidity with which it has spread as frightening as the fatality rate range high as 90%. this is a disease that is incredibly dangerous. currently it is a disease that is borne by bodily fluids but if that would make the jump to becoming an airborne disease, the rapidity with which that could spread around the world is incredibly frightening. you know i think this goes to show, and the ebola virus has been about for years. we've known but we've always managed to curtail it and it hasn't made the leap that it's beginning to make today. so, i think that we have lagged

behind in research and we need to ensure the cdc centers for disease control is properly funded and has the resources necessary to help fight this. we need to be doing the medical research and development and unfortunately my opponent has endorsed the paul ryan budget which slashes funding for the cbc and research and development so i think that mr. speedy revenues and explanation to the citizens as to why he wants to/medical research and development and center for disease control when we have the viruses like ebola running rampant in our world. i have a red card. >> moderator: representative bost. bost: in the words of ronald reagan, there you go again. you did the same thing that you're not going to do it to me. i never said i supported the budget and that is a lie. back to the question.

what we tell you that is an issue that i've been very much paying attention to. my brother-in-law is a missionary that just came home. things have been everything checked out with he, his wife and his daughters. but as paula mentioned, the problem is that you have one country in liberia that is the center for disease control needs to be involved with so to try to fight this but yes the president has the power to control the borders and to stop the influx of anyone in those countries i believe that should be done and that once again i never supported the budget by the way. >> moderator: next question for representative enyart. >> moderator: this comes from cheryl matthews. students and parents are learning a new way to learn all over the country with the end limitation of the common core standards.

as the debate over whether the system will help bridge the gap between students in american schools, many are wondering what role the federal government should have in education. what is your stance on education should it be a strict federal standard and what role should the u.s. government play in paying for it? enyart: i've i heard a whole lot about the common core and about the testing that goes on in schools. my daughter-in-law is an eighth-grade teacher at the school in bilbo and means she's going to go immediately to. the problem we have in our schools today as there is too much teaching to the test area we are not teaching kids critical thinking skills. we are teaching them to take tests. you can take a test and be good at taking tests but all that

proves is that you're good at taking tests. it doesn't prove that you're educated were good critical thinking skills and i've heard the same complaint as i've gone around the district meeting with people. as i talk to employers, what employers want our skilled and trained folks that have the ability to provide three eighths by two and have the ability to master skills. when i was at the illinois college couple weeks ago and met with a young lady named don vaughn had been working as a housekeeper in a hotel, the minimum age, couldn't get 40 hours a week and didn't have money to put gas in the car at the end of the week that what she did, she took a course in welding and today she's working as a robotic welter obligating

this incredible machinery making a good wage. she's got health insurance, a retirement plan and that's what she has done through done through a beginning of the updating the training. i have sponsored the jobs act and work act both of which focus on those kinds of training and both of which work with community colleges. we have great community colleges in our district. >> moderator: representative bost. bost: whether it is common core or no child left behind i've always been a big belief or the federal government shouldn't be involved at this level for education. it should be handled at the state and local level. who knows how to educate our children and who better knows the unique situation each school district faces than our local schools and states. i know there is this dream of

building a big government that will come in and take care of education that you can't paint it with a broad brush and that's the problem and i believe that it should be controlled in the state and local level. bradshaw: that's why the state of illinois is in deep debt. they believe we are not going to take federal money to help us out. i can tell you the unique situation of the a lot of the schools they are starved for funds. they are cutting programs and teachers are having to reach into their own pockets to buy supplies for the kids. i think the federal government should indeed put some fun us into the school. common core on the other hand although that sounds like a great idea there should be a common set of things every child

in america knows how to read and write and history and civics but of course, in core it's about teaching to the test and the kids and the teachers don't like it. it turns all of these teach to the test turned the schools and cheats and liars. we never had this until the federal government stepped in and said. we need to get the teachers together with administrators and parents and figure out a better way to teach our children and i think the school should be about helping every child reach their full potential and whatever teaching works best for them. i don't think it should just be places the turnout little robots

for employers benefit. >> moderator: molly parker has a question for representative bost. >> moderator: this question comes from a reader in southern illinois. republicans in the house have repeatedly voted to repeal the affordable care act known as obamacare and to this point the effort has stalled in the democratic controlled senate. do you support the act and what action is needed if you were elected? bost: i will be one of 435 so you will try to work within the compounds of working with those on both sides of the aisle to come up with a sensible plan. let me first off tell you that the idea of obamacare having health care that's affordable, portable and dealing with pre-existing conditions is a good idea. the problem is the system failed

tremendously. question is do we want to repeal every place or have small changes to try to correct what's been put in place. some of them have been pleased under what was revealed. it has some kind of modification they are laying on harry reid's desk. it's where we delayed business. let me tell you right now what the president is doing is building the bill and changing the bill after the fact without changing it to congress is not right. i think that he's overstepped his power. that being said, we must work together to find a solution and

quite the gridlock. the senate has to try to cure the problem before it impacts businesses come january 1 and individuals. when it's not affordable and available and all the problems when you put the regulations with it they are 9 feet tall. >> moderator: policy 12. bradshaw: that's what the american people want to screw them over. just like no child left behind, everyone wants healthcare but obamacare was never about providing healthcare for the people of america. it was about providing subsidies and giveaways to the insurance companies. if america wanted to keep healthcare they would open more

clinics and make sure the public health system is healthy, our water stayed clean and we would never think of fracking because that would be an outrage and that causes so much asthma in children and older people so if we care about public health and open more clinics. one of the first thing of obamacare that was implemented is $50 billion to force every hospital in the doctor's office in this country to go to computer records. and i know that the reason that the hospitals in houston or dallas didn't catch the victims is because the nursing computer

programs didn't connect to the doctor's program so even though the nurse put in that he's the man that had been to liberia the doctor didn't see it because he wasn't on that screen and that's obamacare for you. it was a big boondoggle to the health insurance companies and computer programming people. >> moderator: representative enyart? enyart: i need to back up one second and say i think i heard mr. bost say that i lied when he endorsed the paul ryan budget but i was in my barbershop on east main street a couple of weeks ago and he handed me a brochure and i can even render it -- cannot even remember it. on the back page it says number one, i would vote for the paul ryan budget and number two i would vote to repeal the aca or obamacare but i was not in

congress when obamacare with the aca was adopted so we have taken i think 56 votes to repeal obamacare one way or another and mike is wrong it isn't one that i voted for, there were a few. when the administration was wrong i voted to correct it and that's what we need to do. there are some provisions that are very beneficial for example you can keep your child undergo veterans until the child is 26. i have a good friend whose wife had cancer and nearly died but she recovered. she would not be in chernobyl -- insured if it were not for that today.

how can a child back in those days there was a lifetime cap on how much could be spent on insurance and has been eliminated because of the aca so if you have a child with a terrible disease or a spouse that might get cancer and go through an incredible amount of treatment -- i have a red card i have to stop. >> moderator: next question is for paula bradshaw. >> moderator: the department of affairs has been criticized for waiting lists all over the nation. we are just a few miles from the hospital here in marion which has had its share of problems. what confidence do you have that the new leadership is taking appropriate steps to clean up the va and what further changes would you make? >> about ties into the last question when i was talking about public health and opening up clinics i also should have

mentioned the green party calls for medicare for all which instead of having a 700 page bill of obamacare you would take the medicare act on the age limit of 65 and that would solve the problem of the age limit and pre-existing conditions and expensive health care healthcare conditions and of the veterans administration. if you had one single source of medicare in this country and everybody was entitled to it you wouldn't have this hodgepodge of healthcare providers. we have waiting lists and private care, to back. my mom was told she needed to see a pulmonologist because she might have one cancer and they gave her an appointment for months on the road because there were none so for four months she would be leaved she had lung

cancer and we are supposed to believe this is the best in the world? we need more doctors and clinics and we just need more health care providers as well as a single-payer health care insurance. >> moderator: your response please? enyart: immediately after i was elected and before i was even sworn into office i went to the hospital in december for one reason because i learned when i was a young officer what gets inspected it gets fixed. congress has oversight authority and we have to inspect and exercise it responsibly so even before i was sworn in i didn't just talk to administrators i talked to veterans and frontline

staff and administrators. i have been back to the clinics in mount vernon, belleville. i've been all around talking to veterans to ensure things get fixed. i sponsored a bill that would require the veterans administration to make a determination on veterans disability claims within 120 days and if the decision wasn't made within 120 days the veteran would be presumed to be disabled and receive those benefits. guess what? by my introducing the bill and pushing the legislation, the veterans administration reduced the backlog of claims by 40%. i want you to compare that to mr. bost's record who refused to vote for a bill that would have

increased veterans beds in illinois and veterans homes, refused to vote for that bill and by the way, he refused to vote for that bill but he did vote to raise his pay by 9.6%. [applause] representative bost. bost: thank you. back to the question. let me tell you that it is important to make sure that our veterans are provided for. i've stood for veterans in all of my time in the state of illinois and i will continue to do that. it's also important to keep in touch and i would visit the veterans home as well but also i would have town hall meetings about it when something starts going south. you didn't do that.

that being said, let me tell you when to vote against the veterans occurred. he was the one that made you a general. [applause] >> moderator: next question for the representative according to the credit reporting bureau, the students across the country $01.2 trillion in student loan debt. this is an 84% increase since 2008. the report says 40 million americans have at least one open student loan and on average they $029,000. this tremendous debt of the younger generation may influence their decision to buy a home or car. do they have any response ability to address this -- date or the rising cost of college

tuition? enyart: i have to spend about ten seconds correcting mr. bost. the governor didn't make me a general. i went to the u.s. army war college and was selected by the board to serve as a brigadier general and was promoted and nominated by george w. bush serving as the commander of the land component. i was subsequently promoted to major general by major general by action of the board of active-duty army officers. student loans are an incredible drag on the economy. when young people graduate from

school the doctors who graduate with hundreds of thousands of dollars in indebtedness can't afford to come down to mary in illinois and work for the va hospital for federal government wages and decide they stay in chicago and st. louis. it would limit the interest on student loans to just over 8%. let's talk about the paul ryan budget one more time. they are guaranteed by the federal government. you could buy a house house and borrow money for between three or 4%. i saw that the credit union had

an ad on their website the other day where you could borrow money for 1.8% while why should students -- >> moderator: representative. bost: can you repeat the question? >> moderator: according to the bureau be a 1.2 trillion which is an 84% increase since 2008. the report says 40 million americans have one open student loan and on average $029,000 it may influence the decision. does the federal government have any responsibility to address this or the rising cost of college tuition. bost: the bill makes sense. something that will allow them the opportunity and we will agree on that issue to make sure that they can afford these loans

and continue to work and take a longer time to payback or whatever so that they can have the opportunity to continue to work. >> i was interested in meeting with your constituents in these town hall meetings is that like when you demanded the 12 debates and said he wanted everyone to have the ability to hear you speak 12 times and when it came to the first you were too busy to come? [applause] as far as student debt i don't think teenagers should be put into debt for the rest of their lives in a desperate attempt to get an education that will get them a job with a living wage. everybody that works deserves a living wage and i think that children shouldn't get in debt at all. we should have a free college tuition for every student that wants to go to college and that should be free and available to

any club that students like i said that for children or teenagers or people that don't want to go to college that doesn't mean that they should have to live at substandard wages for the rest of their lives. these degrees are being sold as a ticket out of poverty and 40% of people are now living at or near poverty. this is ridiculous. they can't go to welding school and get jobs. that leaves people behind and i don't just want no child left behind qaeda child left behind qaeda wants no worker left behind. i think everyone should have a living wage as i said and college should be free to all qualified students and vocational school, to back. if someone is good at building or repairing cars or whatever their passion is i think they should be about to go to the occasional school for free and if we had a publicly controlled mann databased money supply we could spend into the economy money for the valuable

worthwhile things like education and health. >> moderator: next question is to representative bost. >> moderator: the federal environment protection agency proposed the rule for carbon emissions from coal-fired power plant and greenhouse gas production. do you support these coal mines and power plants to lose substantially in this and how would you protect those workers in southern illinois while balancing the need for the environment? bost: let me tell you that serving on the board here in the state of illinois working in the environment and the energy side, working side-by-side with people that own and work in the united mine workers to try to make sure that we are able to continue to monitor and use our coal the epa came up with these regulations that could devastate and let me tell you it comes from the coal

power plants in only one of them burns unfortunately. 42%, the rest are nukes, some gas and only 6% and i would love to see more than that but only 6% comes from solar and wind. but that being said we can't just all of a sudden through the switch and walk away from the coal because it can be used. the united states wisely. right now we are shipping overseas. had they went into place it could have devastated this. it could stop it and it was sent to the desk again and it's still

playing their. after the courts said that it stopped and a stock that he didn't want to do that all the way along. bradshaw: they are putting the interest of the miners against the interest of farmers and the global warming affect. against the interest of the wineries in southern illinois, against the interest of the children with asthma and the people that have brain to damage. this is the interest of a small group of miners against the rest of the people in america and in the world because they are all over the world where they have droughts and wildfires and

floods and gained many people suffer so you say we can't flip the switch yes we can. the money that we spent spend on the subsidies and of the war if we could turn it into renewable energy switching our infrastructure we could do it very quickly. we can mobilize very quickly when we want to. america is known for being able to rollout the new industries in a very small amount of time. just because 40% comes from coal now doesn't mean that it always has to. that is an ill logical conclusion. you can draw a much more rational conclusion in that yes our energy comes from coal, yes it's harmful to minors, the environment, children, the oceans, the climate therefore we can switch because we know it's a combination of energy conservation and renewable

energy we could go totally renewable in a fast period of time. so carbon emissions are just a band-aid. they were not going to do any good anyhow. we need to get off of coal and on to renewables. enyart: i need to back up for a second and point out that the state representative voted against a community college act which would have provided grants to the graduates of the community colleges that have a 3.0 average or better to attend state universities in the state of illinois. folks need to ask mr. speak enough and why he voted against the act to attend state schools. moving on to your question, promises performance.

i promised i would support the industry when i ran for election and today i serve as the cochair of the congressional caucus. it's very unusual for a freshman legislature to serve as the chairman of the caucus but i serve as the cochair with republican john shimkus also from illinois. a bipartisan gerrymandered the caucus. 40% of the power is generated. we need a balanced approach. everybody agrees we need our kids to breathe clean air. we need our kids to drink clean water they need to achieve in a balanced manner. we can't turn off the coal plant tomorrow or in two years. i met with the paf demonstrator and got her to agree to extend

the comment on the proposed regulations would remember they are just proposed regulations. you still have the opportunity to comment. i ask you send your comments and i will ensure that every one of those comments from the voters in illinois 12 gets to the epa so they know how we feel about it. i'm the only candidate that has been endorsed for the united mine workers. >> think you all out there. jennifer has a question first going to paula bradshaw. >> it's become a hotly debated issue in several parts of the country including here in southern illinois. do you support this oil and gas extraction process and should there be federal standards to govern similar to those in place for coal and if so what changes would you make? >> i don't support it. i think of the jewish and the ridiculous you can't control

what happens on my own under the ground. but they are doing with fracking is taking clean fresh water all life on earth did and they are mixing that with poisonous chemicals and then they inject it into the ground at high pressure so that it pictures the shale upon which we are living causing earthquakes and it releases the gas which is highly radioactive as well as being bad for greenhouse gases. i don't see what the regulations could take away the danger of earthquakes, water contamination of air contamination and climate change. that's another thing that is meaningless. so, no i do not support fracking. i support renewable energy like i said and we can switch to the energy that very quickly i don't know why people think we can bomb caesarea within a week. there is no money spare on that but when it comes to protecting our own people here at home,

then we don't have the money for that. we don't have the money for the renewable energy. we don't have the money for the renewable energy. we have to burn coal. so i think that we should have our priorities straight and instead of spending $50 billion to build on other people, we should spend 60 billion to the renewable energy at home. >> moderator: your response? enyart: i have read a couple studies on fracking and what i've read indicates that if, the biggest two letter word in english language, if the proper engineering is used and the proper safety precautions are used, if the proper regulations are followed to come it can be safe. illinois has the strictest

legislation in the nation of any of the 50 states in the nation illinois has the strictest. it has the best law in the nation. why does it have the best law? because representative john bradley from right here in marion but all the players into a room. the producers, the sierra club, other environmental groups, the regulators put everybody in a room and they worked out a compromise solution. not everybody got everything they wanted, but you know. no free lunch. no matter what energy source you use whether we use oil, solar. what we must do this we must ensure that if we are going to then we have solid environmental regulations.

there's dozens of minors that got killed. afterwards it was found that very energy had violated the safety regulations in force, so we need to have the proper regulations not unduly burdensome but remember bp oil in the gulf of mexico violated safety regulations. let's ensure that the regulations we have our tough, stringent committee signed to protect people and the environment and lives and enforce them instead of failing to the sixpack representative bost. bost: let me answer in the fact that the congressman here in the state of illinois is correct on everything almost except it was mike and david and working together in a bipartisan manner we put the toughest rules in place so that we could actually go after the natural resources in a safe manner. protecting our water. groundwater, surface water and

also the air and making sure sure that there is a concise modest locations that would monitor before and after the process begins and well after the process is over we also have to catch pools to make sure if there is any blowback it is monitored. we also were able to convince and work with the business side because they have certain -- but me tell you that less than .06% of what they use is more than salt water and sand. but when when they use those chemical compounds which are similar to soap, those compounds are given so that we can test the soil prior into the water prior and during and after. it's a very safe process. it's a very sensible process but the most important thing is that it puts people to work. income from people working from

income to the state from the products that are brought and hauled and moved and a severance tax that goes to the state of illinois. properly implemented it could help illinois and its budget woes. i supported the bill work side by the bill and not a lot of negotiations and bipartisan manner to get it very successful here in the state of illinois. the government pushed forward to get it implemented. >> the next question is for representative enyart. >> according to the joint economic committee, the illinois added 272,500 jobs since february of 2010, the national low point for the private sector jobs. there are still 65,900 more people unemployed in illinois than when the recession began. what can the federal government do to ensure increased job growth and please be as specific as you can.

>> the good news is that we have had 50 months now of straight economic growth and the good news is that the recession has been easy. the good news is that wall street has recovered and the bad news is that main street has not recovered. they are set on wall street and we haven't seen the new records. now to address the unemployment question, and it's interesting i was in mount vernon last week and the mayor probably shoved the paper in front of me and said look at this unemployment dropped 1.5% year over year ago in mount vernon. last week they had an article that unemployment had up to 2%. the problem is that not all of that growth is happening throughout the district. where the growth is happening

and where jobs are growing and blooming are areas we have good transportation infrastructure. the metro east area those warehouses are booming and if you look at mount vernon the mayor will tell you about the highways. we have the infrastructure there so those jobs are booming. what we need to do in those areas where it is not booming you look at the other counties along the river, much less infrastructure. we need to develop its transportation infrastructure and the second thing we need to do is provide the training and skills upgrade for workers which is why i sponsored the work act and we need to focus on training for underemployed and unemployed folks, provide a scholarship for unemployed folks for up to two years up to $2,000 per year in order to get the training at the

local community college is to put them to work. bost: i was talking to a congressman the other day and he said that he had an a lot olympic swimmer and said what's the problem with the growth and why are the problems the way they are and he explained it this way. if you were the olympic swimmer and you you were in the swimming competition and the finished two lengths ahead and all of a sudden we decided that's not fair let's put a 5-pound weight around your waist and college regulation we made the race again. you know that isn't fair either so let's put more regulation and go 10 pounds and drag it down. then we were almost tied that wasn't enough.

finally over so many years, ladies and gentlemen, our federal government through the epa and other rules and regulations placed such on us that we can't compete in a worldwide market. i say that it's time to shed the weight and what people get back to work. i want to make sure everything is safe but i don't want to put my self in a situation where my children and grandchildren can continue to work and provide a living for themselves here in the united states and that is the issue that needs to be dealt with honestly, straightforward and make sure that we remove the belt so that our jobs can compete in a worldwide market and we can put people to work and become self-sufficient. >> moderator: is bradshaw? bradshaw: the reason the united states is ahead after world war ii is because all other industrialized countries were bombed down to rubble so of course we did a better after world war ii. as a matter of fact in the 50s the average corporate share of

the federal tax revenue was 28% and now it is down to 10% and they are screaming about that's too much for them. they paid 28% of federal funds into the tax rate on the very rich was in the 90 percentile. the taxes and regulations are what brought this country down. let's go back in history to the 19th century when the country was industrialized and workers were dying like flies. on the railroad they died. in the mines they minds they died. and factories, and other ills and they suffer regulations. they are walls for corporations that keep them from killing people and keep them from ripping off consumers and keep them from the studying our environment. and workers died.

they were shut down in the streets were protesting into the workers of the country and at one time in pittsburgh there were one third of all working men between the ages of 18 and 70 were dead because of the steel mills so i don't think we want to give up regulation as the representative pointed out they ignored regulations and a bunch of the miners died. deepwater horizon ignored and a bunch of miners died you people didn't like it when their chinese chinese tattoo to kill their dogs. that's what the regulations protect you from. people don't like it when rivers can catch on fire. that's what regulations protect from. we need a deal to put people to work with a publicly controlled money supply that will do it without going into debt. that's what we need to put people to work. >> moderator: next question is for representative bost. >> moderator: in this election much has been made.

tell me how your personality will exhibit itself as a congressman. bost: i would say as i noticed these ads, yet i'm only wearing to ties my wife says she knows she bought me more than that and all of the years in the general assembly. so i need to explain that maybe just maybe there are times when we need our legislators to stand up for us and if someone violates your rights under the constitution or the rights of the people on the house floor in springfield or the house floor in washington in the committee that needs to be standing up for you. that is what they are sent to do. or if they have rules that make

it to where your representative or any other representative doesn't have = and the opportunity to represent the people where they need to be represented that that's the kind of need the legislature to stand up. the issue everybody puts on the news media ads went on the internet we got calls from 50 different states in six different countries and our office telling us that's the way that i feel about my government. that's the way i feel about my government because nobody is standing up for us. now, does that mean you go out and yell every time or that you do -- let me tell you the bill i stood up and argued about so passionately failed. it would have taken the pension and shifted it to every property tax owner in this room. every one.

it was done in the middle of the night. 198 page bill. was i angry? the event. when things were happening in washington, you want to be angry, to. >> moderator: paula is next. bradshaw: i don't understand why a 10% jump would get support from all over the country. i mean, i guess you could say that it shows passion is a 2-year-old but if a 2-year-old throws himself on the floor and kicks because he wants something that shows passion,, too but he wouldn't send them to congress. [applause] reminds me of people that bring in their kids and their kids kicked me or hate me and they look proud and say boys will be boys. they don't have to act like that great of the reason he's a brat is because you let him get away with it and i don't think -- i think the congress should be a place of dignity that people can go and have respect for the office and for the constitution

and i think it's kind of interesting to talk about respect for the constitution when neither of my opponents seem to realize that in the constitution in article one section eight it says only congress shall declare war and raise the army and appropriate the funds for the war. i believe it was you that was quoted as saying that if obama went to congress to start bombing series yet were iraq that you thought it was political posturing and not of the constitution. so i think that you should send people to congress that no of the constitution stands for and knows the duties of congress and would not allow the president to take you into the war without paying for them. putting them on the national credit card running the country into trillions of dollars of debt and then telling people we have to cut health and education because we are so much in debt. we are in debt because we are spending trillions of dollars on

the war and we are not paying for it. remember john bradley and the rest of them bragged about the regulations of the country and then turned around and hassled the dnr about those very regulations that they brag about enyart: think about walking in the steps of giants, paul simon, i think i try to emulate their temperament. let me tell you i sent 35 and a half years in the military command of the jobs i held going from the basic trainee to being a two star general you were given a mission and you were given certain resources and you were expected to get the mission done. that's the motto that i took

with me to washington, d.c.. it's a little bit different job there because you have to allocate the resources and way out the different competing prerelease. in some ways maybe it's like fighting a flood because i was told you when you are fighting a flood if you take a sandbag and handed up to the next person in line you don't ask are you a republican and the person you took the sandbag from doesn't ask us are you a democrat. what you're doing is working together as a team to get the job done. one of my commercials has a line where i say you don't lead by shouting. you lead by example. i think i've done that. for example i made the announcement a couple several weeks ago about the cyber

squadrons coming to the scott air force base 322 military physicians that is going to help generate the $3 billion scott air force base provides our economy. and somebody serving on the armed services committee that spent all their time in the military to help protect scott air force base. i saved over half a billion dollars over ten years in the defense department budget alone. >> the next question for paula bradshaw. >> moderator: political rancor has made its way from springfield into the local communities. in the interest of getting along, please tell us one positive attribute about your fellow candidates. bradshaw: nice tie, mike and

thank you for calling for fair taxes. [laughter] the act is of 1978 said that if everything in the country goes above 3%. they are used to calling the rubber bearings don't provide these jobs the federal government comes in and directly provides jobs of living wages to the people that need work and labor like a building in renewable energy, building sustainable transportation, refurbishing housing, insulating the houses. all the things we need to save energy and provide energy so

that we aren't dependent on coal or gas or foreign oil because that leads us down the path to more global warming into a pollution and more wars. i voted for it when he was in congress and that's what we need to do and you need to start obeying the law. >> moderator: what would you like to say about your opponent's? enyart: thank you, jack. and paula, i appreciate all of your years of service. i think you've done a marvelous job helping care for patients. your passion is matched by no one in the congressional district.

you are very upfront and don't hesitate to people your belief. so i congratulate you on that. mike, i want to congratulate you couple of months ago he was on the radio show and i heard him say that he was spared the house and couldn't get anything done. so, when the republican senator had a bill pending to help the levees at the tower, i was concerned about that because i knew it had to get through the house and mike was carrying the bill for the senator. as a guy came i came back from washington, d.c. to testify in favor of the bill in front of the democratic controlled committee because i wanted them to know how important this bill was for all of the residents in southern illinois he had the

courtesy to show up at the capitol in springfield. thank you for coming back to testify to ensure that bill that assisted folks in southern illinois got through the general assembly. so thank you for that courtesy. i appreciate it. >> moderator: representative bost? bost: i want to say just for running for office and being involved in bringing your views forward i appreciate that. i really do. and i also appreciate the fact that you did come to springfield and i appreciate you using the line i used in the paper that if you don't care if somebody is stacking the sandbag whether they are handing it to you whether they are are republican or democrat i used that in the newspaper and i appreciate you using it up here as well.

[applause] but i tell you what i appreciate that. they hadn't seen that very often that a congressman does come and i appreciate that. >> moderator: next question is for bill which. which president would you like to see run and why? enyart: paula bradshaw. [applause] who would i like to see or do i think will? we need someone running for president that has experience in foreign affairs, the state of the world is really very, very dangerous and my years i cannot render the time when the world stage was more dangerous certainly a problem with isis and isil in the middle east is

getting a lot of headlines and it is clearly a potential problem but i don't think that we can forget about russia. i was speaking to the united nations association last night, and one of the things i talked about was ukraine, because when you look at the excess digital threats, and by existential threat i mean a thread that would destroy the united states of america. ..

an attack on anyone nato member is an attack on all of us and we are all required to defend that nato member. so if turkey is attacked by isis, under the nato treaty we must defend turkey where we are disemboweling our obligations. in much the same thing can happen in central europe. if the russians continue encroaching brocaded not nato but for one days. >> representative bost. bost: i don't have one because i'm watching unless they come out yet though let me tell you, zero whether she or he, whatever they are and whoever they are, they need to be someone who cannot than the straight and keep control of their administration. i think we have seen enough problems throughout administration that we have right now.

and i walk whoever it is that is respected worldwide so that when they say there's a red line, it is a red line. and i want them to be a leader to a point because fearing kind of kind of a rough time right now. god bless him, i served in the military under jimmy carter and under ronald reagan. but jimmy carter, very nice man, but we read lots of situations like we have right now. so we need that very strong charismatic leader that can step up and take charge. i'm going to watch the field just like you well and i don't have one then i'm taking it. >> moderator: follow-up, bradshaw. bradshaw: last time we ran kjell style and she's a very sane person. jill stein would never draw a red light red on the border of another country and tell them

they can't stop over. jill stein would not color prussian aggression when what happened in ukraine was sick tori at new land an associate -- secretary of state, assistant secretary of state testified that the united states spent $5 billion that we could abuse here at home to overthrow the elected government of ukraine, which they did do. and then she picked the new prime minister. who whispered name. and then they had a fake election in which a bunch of open fascists were put into the government and kiev and started making threats in eastern ukraine who they insist on calling pro-russian separatists. they are not. it will be put into ukraine in the 1920s. ethnic russians. when the vote in scotland was going on, you didn't hear them

calling the scottish people pro scottish separatists. they were called scottish people. and the russians. the fascist people they put to power in kiev started making it legal for russia to be spoke. they have what they call that gas princess who threatened to kill every russian. they were alarmed. those people took up arms against the fascist thing kiev and there is a civil war in which russia has not been involved at all. the only thing russia did was ask that 97% of the people of ukraine who voted and said we want to go back to where we were in 1956. that is when crimea was put in the ukraine. if you call that russian aggression, that is in my opinion paranoid schizophrenia. >> moderator: thank you are a match. the way we are going to do this as we have a one minute response then the question comes from molly parker first two mike

bost. >> mike bost, proposals for the minimum wage range from $10.10 to $15 an hour. do you favor a change to the federal minimum wage and if so, what should it be quiet bost: i favor raising the amount of jobs. when you. when you raise the mound of jobs. when he raised the monnot job scummy, you raise the minimum wage. when you raise the amount of work that is available to people, the natural thing that occurs with the raising of the minimum wage. the best example on the motocross the river. you couldn't find a minimum-wage job yet they are. i am forever when fowler: not a sunday night jobs available. >> moderator: paula bradshaw. bradshaw: well, that is wanting the new deal to do. it would put people to work at a living wage. supporting the minimum wage to be $15 an hour plus single-payer health care because what this

would do to a lot of people is pushed them off their medicaid and make them start paying for the private health insurance. so i am for raising the minimum wage. i am first single-payer health care and i am also for a pre-new deal in which the federal federal government would directly employ people at living wages. and that would indeed put some competition into the market. that would indeed give workers a more level playing field. because right now with a 20 million unemployed people we have in this country, you can't talk about fair competition. the employers have all of the advantages and the workers have none. they have to take whatever job they get, no matter how dangerous, no matter how low pain, no matter how horrible it is. >> moderator: time. representative enyart. enyart: thank you, jack. i support reasonable wage to $10.10 an hour is a good start.

the reason i support that is because the minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation. the minimum wage today is the last once you adjust for inflation than it was when i was in high school. so i'm like social security and veterans benefits another tax programs, unemployment has not been indexed for inflation and we need to keep pace with inflation. it is also wrong that people working 40 hours a week should still qualify for food stamps and other programs like that. we need to put their wages at a point where it has kept pace with inflation. i would point out that my opponent, mr. bost, this is not the first time been opposed to minimum wage. he is quoted in your paper has been in favor of lowering the minimum wage in illinois by 1 dollar an hour. he voted against minimum wage while he was voting for increasing his own wages. >> moderator: time, time. thank you very much.

[applause] time for closing statements. representative bost makes the first statement. bost: thank you, jack. i want to thank my fellow illinoisans and wsi you for putting on this debate and the league of women voters. folks, i assert the people of the 115th district well. i have worked hard for them and it is a service position i talked about before. i am now asking for your vote or congress of the united states where i feel like we've been underserved. my opponent mentioned several legislators. he mentioned paul simon. and he mentioned jerry costello. you know well, i know jerry costello and he is no jerry costello. i am going to tell you that jerry costello would keep in constant contact with his constituents and work hard for them and be a true servant. i don't think we've got that right now and i don't and that you are paying attention to let

these issues are out here that affect us so much rate here in southern illinois. i served the people. i'm asking to serve the people at this capacity. i am proud of my record, even though sometimes it gets distorted in these debates. i worked hard for the people. i looked them in the eye and i've worked in a bipartisan manner. let me say that a majority of my those we put them together with larry willard or brandon phelps or john bradley, you find that we were together as regions. we worked together for southern illinois and in status with our party than minus the local level. my opponent on the other hand i was almost a 90% voting record with nancy publicity. i don't think that is for southern illinois wants. thank you be a thank you for having us here tonight. >> moderator: representative

enyart. enyart: thank you, jack and thank you to the sponsors for hosting this event. remember when i opened, i asked you to think about promises and performance, promises and performance. it's easy for a politician to make promises and measure performance. you know, i promised that i would support illinois street. i serve as the chair for the caucus with republican john shimkus. i have the endorsement, the only person i peer who has the endorsement and i perform that promise. i promise to support the agricultural economy of her district. agriculture feeds the world. you know, somebody said you may need a doctor once a year. you may need a lawyer once every 10 years. you need an undertaker went in your life. you need farmers three times a day. i have the endorsement. the only person i peer at the illinois farm bureau spirit ever see from the corn growers and

soybean association. i supported education and training. that's why have the endorsement of the illinois federation of teachers. that is why have the support of business groups like the credit union of america and i thought for social security and to protect medicare and that's why have endorsement of the reliance of retired americans. mr. bost on the other hand. i supported better rains also. mr. bost voted against veterans. he voted against a bill that would expand votes. he voted against minimum wage increase to $5.50 an hour. while he turned around and voted to raise his own pay 9.6%. i don't know how many people decide the answer on the broadcast on as i received a 9.6% pay raise lately. but mr. bost voted for him to receive one. i ask for your support.

thank you. >> moderator: paula bradshaw. [laughter] bradshaw: it is time for a change. i am a change from one corporate politician to another corporate politician. a real change. the republicans after 34 years of corporate welfare and deregulation kaman corporations have been on a massive crime spree with the bankers and the war criminals, they continue to insist the corporate welfare this time will trickle down on you. but democrats, they promised that they are there for the workers, but they take the same corporate money and they have the same corporate agenda. it is time for agreed new deal which would lead to a stable prosperity. we have known for decades that we need to switch to renewable energy in both of my opponents acknowledge that, but not yet. it reminds me of saint augustine who once said lord, make me chase, but not yet. that's how they are.

we know call my name is dangerous to the environment. we know it's dangerous to people in the minors. we know that global warming is a danger to everyone. we know that we can't afford to burn coal and oil anymore. we need to create new deal to switch to renewable energy and conservation, put people to work. there is absolutely no side to the great new deal. it increases employment, improves our environment. it gives us peaceful cooperation with the rest of the people of the world and has a more equitable distribution of wealth right here at home. i would ask that people vote for their dreams are not their fears. i would ask that you vote for your hopes in nicely. i would ask that you would vote green. >> that is beyond our first congressional debate of the 2014th general election. i'd like to think the candidates. representative mike bost of murfreesboro, challenger paula bradshaw of carbondale and bill

enyart of belleville. how about all of the candidates. [applause] >> moderator: we also want to thank our panelists, molly parker, jennifer fullerton dfa radio in the belleville news democrat. and closer to the paul simon public policy institute in southern illinois university, jackson county league of women voters, staff of the cultures civic center as well as the belleville news democrat and partners to southern illinois in. our second and final broadcast debate will be on wednesday, october 29 of 7:00 p.m. at lynnwood university of belleville. it will be live at the southern.com. the debate will air on friday, october or dsa 7:00 p.m. on ws state television. thank you all and good night from marion.

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>> now to the rhode island governor debate. she never raimondo is facing allan fung. mr. raimondo is the state

treasurer and allan fung's mayor of rhode island. the political report lists the race as any democrat. this comes courtesy of wpri-tv in providence. ♪ >> the following is a special presentation. >> eyewitness news in the providence journal bring you live coverage. now, campaign 2014, the gubernatorial debate. >> live from the providence performing arts center, televised debate among the candidates for rhode island governor. >> moderator: good evening, i am tim white. there exactly two weeks from election day when voters are going to decide who they want to lead the state as their next governor. tonight we will try and help you identify the differences between the three-meter candidates looking for your vote. and they are from left to right on your screen, democrat jeanne at raimondo, republican allan fung and moderate robert healy.

we will hear from them in a moment. the next 60 minutes who will go in depth. this debate is live on wpri-tv and on line debut pri.com. i will be moderating this debate in asking questions along with our panel. reporter ted macy and for a new start for the providence journal, ed fitzpatrick. we'll begin with one minute opening remarks to reach of the candidates. a reminder to our audience we ask you that you hold your applause until the very end of the debate so everyone here and those watching at home can hear what the candidates have to say. the order for opening remarks was determined by a drawing. we begin with allan fung. mr. fung was elected mayor of cranston 2008 where he's in his third term. before that he was legal counsel for met life. mr. fung is also a state prosecutor, graduate rhode island college of suffolk university law school.

your opening remarks. fung: thank you channel 12, providence journal and the viewers tonight. as i talk to people out of this state, i realize this election is more than just about jobs and the economy. this election is about providing opportunities for all rhode islanders. the ability to buy their first home, having a good paying job, providing a world-class education for students and most late, keeping our families together here in our state. many years ago, you know, my parents left china, not knowing where to pursue the american dream and they chose rhode island. they started a family and a small family business. i am running for governor so that the next generation cannot the same opportunity faded. for the viewers at home that are watching, i am open to earn your trust and support. we know rhode island is a great place to live, together with make it a great place to work. thank you. >> moderator: thank you,

mr. fung. now gina raimondo. she is a rhodes scholar. ms. raimondo graduated harvard and yale law school. your remarks. raimondo: thank thank you. good evening everyone. rhode island is in a child's crisis. people upon their kids have to leave the state to get a job. tattoo trade, men and women. some out of work for two years. that's reworking, building things in rhode island. in order to bring the economy back, we need to make the business environment friendly, plays for businesses want to be in a jobs and growth jobs. but we also have to make start investments in our future in infrastructure, education, workforce training and we need to support our workers by raising the minimum wage. i'm running for governor to rebuild rhode island's middle class and to create tens of thousands of good paying jobs and i've made the experience to

do that. prior to treasurer and a business and we helped create over a thousand jobs. i am running for governor to rebuild this state and get rhode island back to work. >> moderator:. thank you you know robert healey. mr. healy is an attorney and businessman. partial and every liquor import company called peace go. mr. healy has run for statewide office six times. he attended rhode island college, boston university, northeastern university and the new england school of law. mr. healy. healy: thank you. first of i to thank channel 12, providence general and my opponents for being here tonight. i need you to look at me. and the reason for that is because you probably won't see much of me over the next two weeks. i didn't get any campaign donations from wall street insiders for city union contractors. i am only relying on the people and free media to get my message

out. the only good in about that is probably as governor that would only answer to one boss then one boss than that by speeding you the people. you may say you are reading your vote if you vote for me. if you don't vote for the past person you are wasting your vote. if you want to pick winners i say go to the racetrack. if you want to pick a leader, you have to think wisely when you go to the polls. >> moderator: mr. healy come your time is that. i want to thank each of the candidates. let's get to the topic at hand. as you know, there is no strict format to tonight's debate. we're looking for an open and honest discussion of the issues. i will allow issues as long as it's on topic. we have a lot of ground to cover so if you're taking too long, i will jump in. let's begin.

i want to start a topic that our viewers have been curing a lot about lately and that is because mr. fung and raimondo has been talking about it lately. lately the bond payments low to bond payers about the failed venture. mr. fung, one of your ad of your ad claims made raimondo wants to bail out wall street because she supports the bonds that your financial agencies like moody's has said defaulting on the loan was severely damaged rhode island's credit rating. we'll understand 38 studio with the popular, but are you playing politics with the state bond rating? sub on never play politics with the state bond rating. what i want the voters of rhode island to know is i will stand with them in a single day, but do it in a factual way. we all know this was a mistake from the first instance, getting into this. but what i find critical is the

general treasure and the governor chafee continuing to make it worse. we have not done our due diligence and launching a full investigation, particularly when the state is making allegations of fraud in their lawsuit to recover money. secondly, that estuary advisory report to the governor and general treasure raimondo are relying on is faulty and alarmist. regarding seeing sage say they would not drop the sound to junk bond status. the taxpayers of all the voters in rhode island deserve to know the truth before we make any, and a commitment one way or the other on that payment because it is too big of a commitment for rest that could be utilized in other areas such as tax cuts, $200 million tax reduction plan, education. >> moderator: mr. fung, can you promise voters now the deep default will be last in any

higher interest that the state may incur by not paying the bond that? can you make that promise tonight? fung: the only thing i can promise as i will call for a full investigation of what is going on. the taxpayers of rhode island deserve to know the truth before they make any commitment one way or the other. that is why a product that stood in awe at an arcade for the full investigation so we can get to know the truth. second of all, i am proud to stand on behalf of on behalf of the taxpayers on behalf of the taxpayer is entitled letter with the sec because there were valuations of insider trading and it certainly did not look good when one of the bond holders sold the day before they close the deal. >> moderator: ms. raimondo, mr. fung says you've made it worse. what is your response? raimondo: the first of all, unlike mayor fung, i thought this deal from the beginning. when i ran for treasurer, was in office when it happened. the running or office i was

critical and spoke out against it. mayor fung in office was silent. a week ago he was campaigning with governor cheery, the architect of this. i thought it. i don't want to repay it, but we have to repay it because the experts have told us, if we don't repay it, it is going to cost twice as much. that is a fact. you know, the bondholders are going to be okay. either way they have insurance. the people of rhode island will be stuck paying and will cost twice as much money if we don't repay it. this isn't easy politics. he is doing the easy political thing, telling voters what they want to hear, don't repay it. i'm not going to do that. leadershileadershi p means doing the right thing come even when it's typical politics. in this instance it is clear. it's like your credit card bill. if you don't pay your credit

card bill come you get higher interest charges. >> moderator: we choose what we choose what we charge in a credit card bill. do you think voter should have a say on any bond that goes out by the state of rhode island from here on out because of 38 studio? raimondo: i do. it was appropriate to do a bond for $75 million. a boniface i should've gone to the people. again, i was very critical. i thought it. but at this point, the right thing to do is to repay it. you know, the last state to default with arizona -- i'm sorry, arkansas in 1938. it would be a huge black eye across the entry. to move this day forward, not to go back. >> moderator: mr. healey, before have you respond, i want mr. fung to respond to something said they are. said dr. jerry was out

campaigning with you. if i'm not mistaken he was also on your visor a committee when you are deciding to run. you've used 38 studio is a campaign prop. how do you square that with voters? fung: before i get into that question, if i can respond to one point, i actually would like to question the treasurer's judgment on this. i think the rhode island voters deserve to know what it means. i set up inside a master of full investigation when allegations were five. sending an e-mail is not fighting for the taxpayers. as far as judgment, let's talk about the treasury judgment. rehiring the same financial advisors that put us into that deal for southwest, she and governor chafee rehired those individuals when we as when we have the state are suing them for fraud in their on line transaction. >> moderator: ms. raimondo. raimondo: yes, i would also like an investigation.

that's fighting for after-the-fact. i was out there saying don't do this deal and i can promise you if i've been governor, he governor, you would not have been. i also have called on the stage for an independent investigation and if there was any fraud, people would be held accountable. the problem is in the meantime we have to pay our bills because if we don't, it will be twice as expensive or the people of rhode island and rhode island families can handle that. >> moderator: olive cleanup questions for both of you. i will allow mr. healey to dive in. people don't know debris stand on this. healey: i think we really have not seen as taxpayers the full investigation that went forward. that is part of what would condition how we would pay the bond. i'm not opposed to not pay. in fact, that might be of benefit to the state and that if

we do have a higher credit costs, we would do less firing tear certainly if i were governor, at this time i too would've stopped the project. whether we were arguing over what could have or should that happen, we have to look at what the reality is. we are paying bond fund or will be called a moral obligation. yet at the same time, the state general assembly is saying we don't have any moral obligation for the pensions they taken away from people. there is a moral obligation to our people, not the people on wall street and that is most important to take care of our own first. >> moderator: mr. healey, you said in your economic fan one of the key things is the state pay its debts. but here you are the stage talking about the possibility -- healey: i don't look at that as a moral obligation. that is certainly not a moral obligation in the city of rhode island. >> moderator: is the date that? subs do it if they promise to pay for someth