free attorney. >> extraordinary. you know, mr. salazar mentioned xenophobia, mexicans, central americans. judge, i don't know if this is fair to ask you, paint a picture about the cases that came through your court system. i mean, a lot of people think immigration is really owning dealing with central america and obviously this issue on the border is pretty specific. but paint a picture what we're talking about, when we're talking about immigration cases. . .

diverse group of people. i think certainly we see enough central americans so we are aware of the country conditions which are as these two other speakers have described them it is extremely difficult and especially for the young people that are fleeing the gang violence and unfortunately the law is not on their side in terms of asylum but there are other venues and avenue of relief that would be available to them. >> it is important for us to recognize it's not just about

mexico, central america, south america and the caribbean. it's the broken immigration affects people from throughout the entire world. i remember having a conversation with senator kennedy about the number of irish men and women who are here in this country without documents so that is not just a latino or third world issue there are people all over the globe who come here on say a student visa and overstay. you have people from the developed world who are here in the united states illegally so when you look at this issue it is as the judge said a very diverse population that is affected. as we debate the issue it's

important to recognize one of the components of reform has been to continue to build more and more walls across the southern border. i remember having many debates on the senate where we would be on different amendments and a number of u.s. senators including friends in the southern part of the country that were not satisfied once it has essentially three. it's part of the debate but also a larger question in the diverse population. >> that's what i was trying to get out because if you point out that civil rights movement it wasn't just african americans out there fighting the change so i was wondering if maybe

referenda you could comment on this would be helpful to the greater debate if others affected joined in the dialogue as visibly as we see. >> you can't trust the media, you know that right. [laughter] you understand what i'm saying? there is a narrative of the comprehensive so one third of my church is chinese. we have a mandarin, spanish and english-language service and the reality of people that have the privilege of serving, my wife and i have a privilege of serving is that many of the chinese adults are undocumented.

the irish immigration came and joined this group of latinos and koreans and chinese and for me to use doctor king's comprehensive narrative of the community we are in a one world house and these interstitial relationships, asians, europeans, african-americans, patients we are all in this together so we will either swim together or sink together and when we start to see it as a christian from our shared humanity that elevates the conversation. there is no them and us. it's just us.

a postcard are we okay to go to questions now? the chamber of commerce has been mentioned. in the high skilled workers what is the moral component to ask >> we have to start talking about live wage and fair wage. the chamber of commerce knows one of the growing edges of business or immigrants. immigrants are establishing high percentages of small businesses and business development especially on the issues on the stem areas of science,

technology, engineering and mathematics. is there self-interested would be hard to talk to a constituency where there isn't. but i do think that the argument in this case one of the few places where the economic end of the moral argument coincide which is that it is good for the economy and it is right it's not either/or but both and. >> i would add to that i think the coalitions that have come together around the country may be motivated by self interest. the chamber of commerce has their own interest in providing jobs to members of the chamber of commerce. i've participated in press conferences in many places around the country on this issue but most of them in my state of coverup of. we have rallies to bring together the coalitions of people. you will see very farmers appear

cultural community because they know they want to have a system that will allow them to be able to produce the milk that marriage is a family of colorado. i see that faith community being a part of those conferences and rallies as well. i see high-tech because they understand that they need to have the business skills for people of other countries to fulfill the jobs we have in the high-tech world. so what is most befuddling to me as the coalition of the willing and somehow we can't get to the leaders of our country and allows them to move forward. john boehner and i don't know if we are friends but friends but we are on speaking terms. [laughter]

i think he wants to do the right thing here but the tea party is opposed to having him lead an effort that finds a common sense solution moving forward so that's why the republicans and democrats that passed in the united states senate that the administration and president supported got stuck in the house of representatives and speaker boehner's told some people would say absolutely it's his fault because he is the leader of representatives that his membership has a constituent of what i would call right-wing teen party people that don't want this to happen. >> a couple of our audience members have something more specific.

one person said is that realistic to address a policy at the social, moral and security concerns. [inaudible] >> i think it can be that you need a comprehensive system. my whole journey has taken me three through different tractors but i was an elected attorney general and served at a time you had a guy by the name of spitzer who was attorney before he became general so you look at it in the security perspective it's true there are some officials and segments that see this as a

security issue that can be solved with good comprehensive reform. but the most reasonable law enforcement officials with the part of the organization which was already discussed. we need to know who is coming in and who's going out. i don't know if cryan and i don't with 9/11 when it happened and we have to prevent 9/11 from happening. i don't see a consistency in the values that we want to enhance. i think it can be done and we

are better positioned to do it now than we were at the turn-of-the-century. >> is there anything in your research and think tank about the notion of the fear were street criminals with aspects of reform? >> i have no idea. i can count on one finger the people i saw before me that were charge as terrorists. there are a lot of people who are not citizens that commit crimes and come through the court and the immigration laws

are harsh with regards to people convicted of certain crimes. they can put forth any reform they are eligible for but i think that is dealt with in the courts and i don't see that as a problem. i think that we can have immigration reform that involves all of the components that you suggest and the reason we don't is a lack of courage and leadership. >> this may seem counterintuitive but it is the reform that will help issues of security. most law-enforcement officials i worked with sad we need immigration reform so that we are not stretching law

enforcement so thin that they are going after families and people that are trying to integrate into society and we can target of those persons who are having a nefarious effects on the community. if anybody wants to criminal the criminal elements to be under legal supervision because we are impacted by those activities. so somehow the act negative to the security it is the opposite of that is true. the more modern 21st century reform will bolster security and let's law-enforcement officials target those persons in the communities that are committing heinous crimes rather than families and children. >> question from an audience member saying should we reduce

border protection efforts and instead help the struggling latin american nations where some of the children and families are fleeing into some of the instability that gets to a different kind of debate in washington. i hate to come back to you but you're the most experienced in washington. the >> is that a fair question if we divert resources to help people in the homeland as opposed to now trying to address something after the fact that it is a little of her simplifying that we can understand what the person is asking. >> my sense is that you have to do both but i think we have been out of balance where the funding that has gone into the part of the bills to separate the comprehensive immigration reform has been mostly focused on the security aspects of the question and so to me there's a larger

question here if you want to get to the bottom of the issues driving the debate today including the issues you have to develop a comprehensive foreign policy that jointly working bilateral way in the western hemisphere with the entire hemisphere creates opportunities in this country for people in these countries. if you are from guatemala, any other number of countries if you don't wake up in the morning wanting to leave your home i don't think anybody here in the united states wakes up in the morning wanting to leave their home but the fact is there is a tremendous economic hardship and very limited development in many of those countries and they are lured into essentially put their lives and their own hands and leave their families behind to try to gain opportunity for

their families. the desire for most of them is to come to the united states and return back to their home country. so i think that as we learn from 9/11, we have to invest in the choices of the people that enter the country. that's just a reality of the world we live in today but it's also important for us and i think we have had a 40 year failure in the united states of america looking to our neighbors to the south understanding that it's important for us to be able to lift them in a good way. >> in your coalition there are some that are right on the family matters if you will. do you think there will be the be the last of these coble to spend something that is causing an influx of those coming in? >> churches have historically done this to the missions and to

the development. organizations like world vision that don't provide aid and develop the economic and agricultural -- >> i think the question is if we don't come are we going to pay for it anyway in the budget on our side. let me give you two examples. the trend is left and right. a lot of the border governors are signing agreements with mexico. just last month, our governor to the adjacent state and the governor christie went down to mexico and met with business leaders and development. i think people are aware there is a way to develop the americas in a way that is mutually beneficial and so in the long run as a christian to me and as an evangelical leader is exceeding short runs linux?

is it protecting them from certain economic deprivation? if we can invest billions of dollars of development it seems to me jesus would say you could invest billions of dollars and the safety of children. >> someone asked specifically if there could be a change to the juvenile civil law that would help in terms of the children and we come back to the original question. is there something specific that congress might be able to agree on when it comes to the children >> there are a number of things that can be done and some of them are being done. providing them with counsel would be a good start and also not putting them in proceedings in the first instance, not

having been being in the immigration court or at least putting them on the back burner of what we call administrative closure or terminate those cases of those things are being done as we speak by the judges. but there's also something called prosecutorial discretion which the dhs made public comments up to a year or two years ago they were going to engage in the prosecutorial discretion and not put in proceedings say someone who got stopped for speeding who turns out to be undocumented and has a family here they are just going to put that case a side and i

don't know what will happen i assume if there was immigration reform that would be dealt with but there are many things that can be done with regard to juveniles if congress would consider the entire process. and i guess that's my problem is that congress has historically stopped at the enforcement area and not thought through how to deal with people and children in these proceedings. with regards to the earlier question, in my experience, the reason people come to the united states are economic or number two, because they come from a country where there is no rule of law and that is what is happening in central america. the government can't protect

these children that they are victims of their own lack of governmental oversight in terms of these games and other corruptions in the country. so i don't think anybody leaves their country and wants to relocate to another country. certainly i wouldn't want to move to any other country on a permanent basis. so, what drives people is basically desperation either economic or safety, and those are the motivators that bring people to this country. >> we talked about the broad policy implications that one person in the audience very much

directly laying it out laying out what you suggest it out would you suggest for the families being deported? my husband ... i need is in the u.s. and we have a baby boy. what can we do when our resources are out? for sure it doesn't look like the midterm elections are going to get anything. >> i think the judge would probably have more -- the truth is after immigration reform, there are some release possibilities if you have a good immigration lawyers but after the immigration reform we forget how many people we had to telling our own congregation tragically you don't have a lot of options. i want to add to what the judges said which is that today they sent a letter to the president as the association of the immigrant lawyers to close the

center of the mexico 100 miles from nowhere. we tried to vision it and it was incredibly hard and that given all of our help. there was an 11-year-old u.s. citizen held for months. so this issue of the legal recourse for juveniles i think is we are at the point we are having u.s. citizens detained for a long time and i'm sure the letter will become public if it's not already to the president and secretary johnson the secretary johnson why they feel it should be closed because it isn't in keeping with the best. i think for the person who said that espouse what will happen is the truth that we are asking for immigration reform because we

cannot do anything so there's a difference between the law and justice. so the just thing to do are not always coinciding. this is a great country and we do better than most that the recourse is very little absent relief that can find places where the spouse can find relief. >> i think that when you have a family they are there in court as a unit so if the parent has a case than that case applies to the spouse and children. if in fact the adult with the case loses the case if we are talking about one parent being in proceedings into somehow the

rest of the family isn't and that person loses, that is extremely difficult and as a country we have to think about the consequences of that because that person may be the only breadwinner for the family in which case the rest of the family may have to go and collect some kind of public assistance. and let's not forget what the effect of young children is if they lose a parent that is geographically separated. so there are many, many very negative scenarios to that. but under the law, it would be that the family has a very harsh choice because if the other adult in the family does not have a case, then they either have to stay here without status or follow the other family member.

>> [inaudible] -- devastating blow and that doesn't even sound right, cushioned the blow but if they are facing this kind of prospect >> maybe if someone wants to come up afterwards. >> there are times inside of the the safe road and out of the charities with red refugee services has done some exceptional work and has some places they can point to. here in new york the federation has worked with a lot of families. so there are places because the judge said it's especially if they are an undocumented immigrants that they have the children that is often the case of the next status families. >> because then clearly the other adult in the family wants the children to remain in the

united states for all of the benefits, educational, social and other benefits and doesn't want to return to their native country. >> i think the question is how do you get a lawyer if you are in a situation like this. the reality is most people can't afford to have a lawyer. but for number two especially here in new york there are a number of law firms tried to provide help to people in a circumstance like the firm involved in the alliance trying to provide that system. one of the things you can do is connect with the new york city bar association and other legal organizations to try to identify those they can then go up to the kind of analysis to judge went

two to to see if there might be hope to the family. >> one of the audience members says what you predict the impact of the decision will be in the vote november. should we expect a smaller turnout or might it have no discernible effect on the economic concerns and if the latter is true? i will give you a second to ponder that. >> three times in my state he worked with several campaigns and i think it's hard at this point to see what the outcome of the decision is that post-november will have on the turnout. there's a host of other factors and i do think that whatever

decision he makes whether it's a december decision which is what i've been reading in the media about it would be interesting to see how that plays out and it might be impacted by the november election and it could galvanize the country in a way in which immigration requests on steroids because there would be a period of consternation and put together the kind of package congress needs to put together. on the other hand it could backfire and there's a huge coalition of what i call the anti-comprehensive immigration reform. people can galvanize to fight any kind of comprehensive package which then you kind of look ahead and continue this

decade of inaction and irresponsibility to the 2,016th election so it's hard to tell. >> the secretary summed it up well. it's a risk we don't know. hysterectomy latinas haven't had a high voter turnout which is a kind of electoral fact that i regret deeply but for me i don't want to get into a political calculus. every day there's a delay there are thousands of families were more being impacted. that's the arithmetic i want in the went in the house and the senate and the white house.

i believe the politicians to do their job but my job is to say every day that there is a delay somebody's father or mother is going to be separated from their children. that's the calculus i want people to do. the political calculus is for another constituency outside of the faith. >> i'm looking at the questions. many people have hit the same ones. i will come by in the last one and give you a chance to give a summary what of what the two were three key points immigration reform definitely needs to include and i would like this one as we come to the point of faith someone said what are the points of light and the generosity that have come out of this crisis so some of what you think needs to be included and tell us what does give you those

points of light that have come out? who wants to go first. >> ago from the high order. >> i feel like i'm repeating myself, but i am. i believe immigration reform should address the issue of right to counsel. there are a number of smaller issues that i can think of that are technical but i think that also we have to -- immigration reform has to deal with the large number of undocumented people in the country who at this point in time did not have relief in court and they don't want to use the word amnesty but

there have historically been forms of relief such as registry which gives people status in this country if they've been here for a certain number of years and have worked, pay the taxes etc.. i think it has to address the large number of people secretary solis are sand are living in the shadows. and finally i think it has to deal with what we are seeing in the large increase in the immigration courts but i would say generally are very vulnerable populations that are not only juveniles but people who are not mentally competent and that is becoming an increasing issue so that's what i would like to see a.

>> reverend, two or three things >> i would agree on the legal counsel especially for minors and juveniles and legal counsel that is compatible and competent family unification for families stay united. second, and earned path to citizenship. there has to be a way for these 12 million men, women and children to have a pathway to citizenship. i think from the raw political analysis you have to deal to get bipartisan support. there has to be a way to modernize the system.

to earned path to citizenship and the legal counsel of course also dealing with the issue that means means foreign policy that helps the development and economic sustainability. in terms of hope the majority were not for immigration reform so there is a massive conversion in the faith groups are a key component. the winning over of the large groups and organizations of business and of law enforcement, those are two places of hope and at the end of the day churches will not relent whatever the law is weak answer to a higher authority and we will help undocumented people have loved

and shelter and access to a community that loves them so the majority of americans want immigration reform. >> let me >> let me since i came to colorado to see this great institution i just want to say thank you to doctor jim and fisher and all of you and members of the community that came here tonight to engage in this discussion that is extraordinary and i would hope something that would happen across the country on the points

of hope. it gives a lot of as a plaintive hope on a lot of different fronts and your specific question i would say two things in terms of action items the first is for all of the the matter is that we've spoken about tonight and that is to have an immigration system that works for this country. number two we need a call to action relative to the hemispheric relationships in the western hemisphere that have been neglected. most presidents have been focused on latin america and i think we need to do that. let's get the reform happening in the u.s. and what's happening on the foreign-policy.

we would become one of eight community where we can dedicate through the internet was happening from one end of the world to another and another is whether it is mexico or argentina we are much more interconnected at this point in our world history than we ever have been into those connections will help us deal with these issues so that that is a point of hope in all of its manifestations and the second for us specifically on this bill on the comprehensive immigration reform the coalition that exists

today no one could have dreamt back in 2004 when senator kennedy would call me in 2005 every sunday morning for a 15 and a half hour conversation how we would move forward to try to get the comprehensive reform done. it transcends the partisan life and one of the realities is giving this support of the american public we can't seem to get washington to work. the coalition is there and the people of the united states of america want it and it is a good point of life that we have today. >> i turn it over.

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campaign 2014 coverage now with a debate among candidates to be the next congressman from louisiana sixth district. due to the laws of the state republican vance mcallister is being challenged with eight candidates taking part in the forum. five of them, harris brown, clyde holloway joined by clyde holloway. we will begin to look at the political ads running in the district. >> a man's character is based on how many times he gets back up and stands again. >> i'm lucky to have been blessed with a family and christian life. >> i'm blessed to have a husband that owns up to his mistakes and fight for the people. >> i'm vance mcallister. we approve this message because

somethings some things are worth fighting for. >> conservative veteran 100% louisiana. >> it is broken and only getting worse. too many politicians of broken promises and embarrassment. that's why we need need here is brown a proven conservative and a job creator who knows the value of a hard days work and will not quit until the job is done. and congress people protect their greatest generation and ensure the american dream for those to come. it's time for real leaders not politicians. >> i'm a strong conservative and approved this message. >> washington has let us down and politicians have let us down and it's time to fix it. here's my plan. number one we are going to replace obamacare with a plan that works. number two, we are going to tell him to the resource is creating thousands of jobs for folks in the fifth district and number three secure the borders protecting the national sovereignty and we need to tell the government to respect or

christian values and our god-given liberty. i approve this message. >> as we sat here this morning in this room, thousands of women and children cross the border to the rio grande river. this is going on as we speak every day. we have a country without a border is not a country. we can't do this. i am ed tarpley and i approve this message. >> your voice and your vote you are were watching the voice your vote congressional forum live and brought to you exclusively. >> welcome to voice your vote live in monro.

>> and in alexandria over the next hour we will hear from eight of the nine candidates seeking your vote for the fifth congressional district in the state of louisiana. we are asking the candidates to provide a brief and straightforward answers to questions that you have submitted to the stations as well as questions provided by the professor and political analyst joshua scott lee. >> id candidate will receive 30 seconds to minutes to answer what will be stated at the beginning of each question as it is asked. since the format is a for him rather than a debate the candidates have to hold any rebuttal until its closing remarks. >> the candidates will hear this bill and when the time is up start in alphabetical order and succeed in position to the next letter for each question. >> we begin tonight with several questions on health care. a gentleman come in the cases of ebola the thread is getting closer to louisiana and the fifth district. in a 45 seconds take a few moments to introduce yourself

and answer this question what is an appropriate response as a nation to the ebola epidemic and the centers for disease control and the situation appropriately. we begin by welcoming doctor ralph abraham. you will have 45 seconds to introduce yourself and answer this question. abraham: thanks for honoring this for him and for the viewers for having us in your home. i am ralph abraham running for congress. i'm a doctor, veteran of the special forces. i am in the coast guard is civil air can a, former veterinarian, father and grandfather now. the ebola situation is a serious deal. as a physician i can tell you it's bad. the way to solve this problem is very straightforward. stop the flights from senegal, sierra leone, seal the borders. we have people coming from 75 different countries every year.

we don't know who they are, what they've got. we have to send a medical team over there to the army personnel >> moderator: would like to welcome eliot therein from the new orleans area. what do you see is the appropriate response as the appropriate response nationwide to the situation? barron: we have contained them as a former diplomat and they only know of a few reported cases and so the good news is that this outbreak seems to be waning. this is not a new disease. the protocols have been out there for a long time for handling it and i do trust the centers for disease control and we are doing the best that we can and with that said it is up to everybody to take care, stay alert and alive and if that means protective equipment like a breathing mask or avoiding

flying then those are personal decisions one can take for their own safety. >> moderator: harris brown, the response to the ebola epidemic? brown: this is a great opportunity for the candidates in the brief introduction i'm harris brown a small-business owner in the fifth district and have lived here my entire life. i have industry experience that overlaps very well be at farming and timber and i have a host of community service and nonprofit work i've done on behalf of all the hard-working citizens of the district. in regards to ebola this is an imminent and dangerous threat to the union and they certainly support the restrictions that we put in place today limiting the inbound flights to five different airports by what go further and eliminate all of the flights to the usa from these

nations. this isn't something we can take lightly. >> moderator: we are joined by zack dasher. what do you think is the appropriate response? speaking about and i'm running for u.s. u.s. congress and i'm the father of four children and a beautiful wife but to answer your question about ebola, i think the cbc, the center for disease confusion have made this into a debacle and number one, we need to shut down the flights coming into the u.s. and number to secure the borders and number three we need to -- what we need is common sense solutions. >> and republican candidate clyde holloway. your response to the situation. holloway: the most important thing is the terms in the u.s.

house. my wife and i have four children so my life is busy. there's there is no way controlling what goes on in the country. if they are not legal send them back. it's important. coming from one of these countries i don't care when they should be sent back. >> moderator: than a year and a single democrat in a large field of candidates for the seat, jimmy mayo joins us now. what is a response to the ebola epidemic. >> first, i am jamie mayo in the

fifth congressional district. i came from humble beginnings and in fact i grew up with the values i learned in my experience as a a businessman and here's part business man and there's part of me the true value of teamwork and that has set up the city to be the best physical shape in the best physical shape in the history and in addition to the environment that is conducive to growth where we've had a number of jobs and working across the political party lines to work with republicans, democrats and independents to determine a number of things. i had an opportunity to have a briefing with the president. they had an opportunity to brief us in terms of the things going on. >> moderator: district congressman vance mcallister what is an appropriate response? mcallister: thanks for joining us. i know you could be watching something like dancing with the

stars. if you don't know who i am god bless you and i would love to meet you but for me but me just say i've been to the briefings that i've seen what has come out of foreign affairs. right now we are in a state that could have done better but the epidemic is not a complete outbreak and we are doing everything we can. but they say the problem right now is the funding. secretary kerry asked the other day for a billion dollars of redirected funds rate we looked at the cdc into some of the things going on and it's ridiculous that the government is doing. we are are we're putting $2.9 million to find out why lesbians are obese. a $2 million the $2 million to find out why elderly -- the list is on and on. 64,000 grants that are not accounted for that we have to take care of. >> moderator: thank you. brown to have the candidates in alphabetical order the last candidate to answer the question, republican from alexandria joins us. what do you think the nation's response should be to the

situation? tarpley: the nation's response is one of the greatest examples of the dysfunctional nature of the federal government that you can possibly imagine. it only takes common sense to realize we are dealing with an epidemic, a disease. of disease. this isn't about political correctness is is about protecting the lives of the american citizens and we need to shut down the flights from west africa. everybody understands this but why does abc cannot figure this out is a mystery. i think that it's political correctness and i think what we need is common sense and we need to shut down the flights until the situation is under control. >> thank you. moving on to question number two and one that is a basis for many campaign platforms.

>> moderator: each candidate will have one minute to answer this question. if the affordable care act is not the solution for incher and the uninsured what would you propose to improve the act. barron: thank you. i am on the record saying i think the affordable care act as a step in is a step in the right direction but it's a short step and it doesn't go far enough. i would like to see the administration funded and expanded as an accountable care organization and as a model for universal care and access for everybody. >> moderator: thank you. mr. brown is the portable care act isn't the solution what would you propose to improve the act? brown: the affordable care act is not the solution. i've never seen a worse policy in my lifetime. the job killing nature and the

personal mandate and the unconstitutionality of some of the subsidies go beyond the scope of an executive branch. let's be sure we push back on the policies like that and i think that the real solution is in the health savings account in the free-market system that can provide better healthcare to health care to all the citizens in the district. >> moderator: if the affordable care act isn't the solution what is and if it is, what would you propose? he throws the cast out there and get the backlash sometimes it isn't so bad is so bad you can't untangle that you have to cut the whole mess out and that's the whole thing with obamacare. it's going to raise taxes, cut $2.5 billion according to the cbo. look at the premium increases. they are nothing to post those until after and there is a reason for that. we need to rip this out by the

roots with free-market solutions. >> moderator: republican clyde holloway. a holloway: i would call it to be unaffordable act. some of the things it is costing people to go part-time. we are looking at huge companies and people at 30 hours or less. that is something that has to be addressed in the issue. we need to totally wipe it out and then we have to have suggestions of what to do. we have to take care of the existing conditions and to do things that are good but number one we just have to take care -- we have the best healthcare system in the world. the story of the best healthcare system in the entire world. so, i look at countries that have this and they have waiting lists and surgeries. we need to be able to address the issue where people can go have their surgeries timely and

we need to allow people to run their healthcare system. we need medicine that is cheaper and can be important. >> moderator: the commonly held assumption here is the democrats as a whole separate the affordable care act as implemented. is the act of the solution for insuring the uninsured and if you support the act what would you do to improve the the current legislation? mayo: first of all, we should all be aware of the fact that the affordable care act will not be repealed especially in the next two years because it is a law. even if the senate is taken over by republicans him on that they wouldn't have enough to repeal it so we need to get that straight. second, you need to understand that there are a couple of good speeches in the affordable care act. one is the fact that no one else will be taken care of and in addition to that you have students that are on their policy until they are 26 instead

of 22. it's not perfect. we all know that the affordable care act is not perfect, but why tear up the whole thing and you have something that will afford the opportunity for citizens to have healthcare, which many presidents have tried to have, that this president has been able to do. so, those are the type of things or people in our country need to be healthy in order to be able to be gainfully employed. and also, to have jobs so that they can be productive citizens. ..

right now to try to dismantle parts of the such as making part-time work week the 40 hours or less so companies do not have to -- the problem is if we don't take over the senate we're still in the battle again for the next two years trying to do with the destruction of this country. we've got 370 build sitting on harry reid's desk that's not been able to be passed on the floor the dust off to dismantle what's going on with the affordable care act. >> ed tarpley from alexandra. is the affordable care act the solution are what thoughts do you have on this legislation? >> it's not the solution. the solution is the free market economic system. that is the solution to this gigantic economic problem in our

country. the affordable care act has, in fact, hurt the middle class as much as anything that we've ever seen. do you realize that the 40 hour workweek is being destroyed as a result of the affordable health care act? why? it's because under the act a full-time employee is in the works at least 30 hours. what's happened is employers are not hiring full-time employees. they're employing, hiring part-time employees. the ones that have, cutting the hours back 28, 29 hours so they won't have to pay for their health insurance. we have other employers such as wal-mart that's completely getting rid of health insurance for their part-time employees. so what we see happening with the affordable health care act are unintended consequences that are damaging the middle-class, hurting wages and hurting working families in this country. >> moderator: find it on this much debated question, ralph abraham, your thoughts as a

position on the affordable care act. >> i am a physician and i worked with this in louisiana every day. it's a mess. i'm to the point in my practice i can't write a prescription that i want to send my patients. i can't get an mri or ct on the young lady who was an aneurysm in her brain. so yes. doesn't need to be repealed? applets lewdly. can it be repealed? we will throw the hail mary pass, but if we can't do it that way we will do garbage every time of the week. you ask about the solutions. solutions for medicare, medicaid, obamacare is what's called an aco, and accountable care organization. there is a program in place right now that has saved medicare $30 million as of august 30. but guess what. the federal government won't advance it because i guess it works. but it has to be changed because i can tell you working in the trenches, right there in good

old naming him, to dance around us everyday of the week. >> our third question, a 30-second question. from recent retired disabled veteran ken gibson. >> our candidate wants to know what you would do to better health of veterans and to prove the current state of health care provided to veterans. we begin with republican harris brown. >> what's happened after the system is a real tragedy. to think that these men and women have made all but the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms and for our country and then some have to wait in line for the health care in a some cases even got in line waiting on her health care is just a tragedy to our system. what we need to understand is this is a close-up of the dysfunctional to of the united states government and their ineptitude at managing systems. what i would do to prove his whole the people that are responsible accountable for their mistakes. if we need to start firing people from the top down, let's do it. >> mr. dasher, your plan help

veterans. what do you think and we don't? >> i'd like to thank our veterans for their service and sacrifice. for that sacrifice i think they deserve better than what we're giving them to i think they deserve the same quality of health care i have access to as a private citizen. wide-awake of our tax dollars, why do we by our veterans a private policy, saying policy i have that increases their access to health care and they don't have to wait in line or die in waiting rooms. >> a key. market? >> mr. holloway come your plan to improve the quality of life for our veterans. >> i was in congress 21 years ago. my plan then was that they should have a card to go into hospital finger to go to. my plan is still the same as it was them. a veteran should be able to go to the nearest hospital and get the quickest care he can get. he shouldn't have to wait on the va. the va system is a government run agency. i'm out to tell you that it's not a great thing for our veterans, but yet they sit and

wait. antennae they should all be able to go to the nearest hospital and use a card. >> thank you. jamie mayo, your answer? >> i would do the same thing i was just me or of the city of monroe. i agree with the decision to fire the secretary. i would look at the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities as a bunch to the veterans affairs and was we came up with that i would come up with a plan to address those issues. those veterans are very, very important. they have served our country in a major way and we need to do everything we can to make sure they're taken care of. we will do that on a federal basis, state basis as well as the local basis. >> representative mcallister, 30 seconds on this subject. >> let me say as far as being a veteran i'm not important this is to make sure we take care of our veterans. i will continue to fight just like a been fighting for it such as legislation of introduced for the role health care act for veterans because our present the fifth district and i had to take

are those veterans. they reimburse veterans from mileage and hotel stays to get to the nearest facility. ida reform act we just passed is a step in the right direction but it's nowhere near as far as we need to go. we need to make sure veterans and good in a hospital anywhere anytime and get the treatment that they need speed and mr. tarpley, your plans? >> i think we need to hold accountable those in the veterans administration have failed our veterans. we need to make sure that the veterans are getting the care that they deserve to receive, and as quickly as possible. it's inexcusable that would have to wait in line months to get an appointment. it's for the more inexcusable that there was a fraud and health care system where there he keeping a duplicate set of books out in arizona on veterans that were waiting in line and getting seen by physicians. we need to be effective in holding people accountable in the va system. >> dr. ralph abraham, your

thoughts on the current status of services provided by our veterans. >> as a veteran and a physician let me tell you what's happening with our veterans is a moral and ethical travesty and tragedy. it's an example of how many layers of government can mess up a program to the more they have, the worse it gets. i actually know people that have died waiting to see a physician in the va system to give those veterans to us, the private docks. we can take care of them, get into the specialist in a week or two when you need them. we can do it better. >> mr. barron, your plan to better assist our veteran community. >> it seems i'm the only veteran in this group is actually a patient of the veterans administration health care system. and effect it is a result of the affordable care act. i couldn't be happier about that, because it's not just coverage, it's also care. i want to salute the men and women who do work in the va everyday with our veterans because they do a great job

under very trying circumstances. when you defund medical centers, the weights get longer. so with a loss of walter reed and at facilities around the country, it's to be expected. >> thank you mr. barron. our fourth question to the evening and the last health care related topic, the candidates multiple views from the fifth district pose this question did you support the legalization of marijuana on any level? zach dasher, please answer in 30 seconds. >> i don't support the use of their want any situation except in rare circumstances. circumstances. >> mr. holloway, do you support legalization of marijuana on a federal level to legalize the use of marijuana are either health or recreational use? >> no, i do not. i do not believe that marijuana leads to many, many more problems than it helps. so i'm opposed to legalizing it on any level in any state, federal, anywhere else.

>> democrat jamie mayo, your stance on the issue. >> it won't take 30 seconds. i do not support the legalization of marijuana for health or any other reason, or get. >> representative mcallister, should marijuana use be legalized on a federal level perhaps or in the state of louisiana's because i definitely don't think it should be legalized on a federal level. i think that's a state rights issue. as far as recreational i'm totally opposed to legalizing it for recreation. when it comes to medicinal purposes i have to leave it up to the doctors and physicians. if they think it's something they should do, but for me i'm not for legalizing it at all spent mr. tarpley, same question that i'm opposed. >> dr. ralph abraham, your stance. >> again as a physician let me tell you what i see my practice on any level of marijuana use is bad. i'm against recreational, i'm against medical. in the medical profession for

this chronic pain, poor cancer patients that need help, we have other alternatives that work better. we have several options that did much better job for chronic pain. i've had hundreds of patients unfortunately with cancer that i treated, they do well with these other drugs. >> mr. barron, the same question to you regarding marijuana legalization. >> i am absolutely for a states right to legalize marijuana, should they see fit. and on that level it becomes a federal issue because in states like colorado and washington, their experiments in updating outdated laws is being hampered by a failure on the federal level to remove marijuana from schedule one narcotics. it is far less harmful to society than alcohol and tobacco, and i recommend it's use and enjoyment by anybody. >> okay. finally, republican harris brown of monroe, your stance on

legalization of marijuana. >> no, absolute not. marijuana has been defined as a gateway drug and it will lead in which drugs are teenagers and some adults. we need to hold firm on this and i will not support recreational nor medicinal use. absolutely not. >> we are going to pause for a few minutes for a short break. when they come back we'll ask the candidates about border security, higher education and new job creation. >> stay with us as voice your vote continues on knoe-tv and cbs2. >> your voice your vote. you've been watching the cap in 2014 voice your vote congressional forum. >> welcome back to voice your

vote. alive fifth district u.s. congressional candidate forum. >> also live on cbs2 alexander. we begin with a 452nd question regarding u.s. involvement in the middle east. do you agree with president obama's military policy regarding isis in the middle east? hud seek a congressional consent prior to additional action? we begin this round of questions with mistral away. >> let me start out by saying probably the most crucial vote i ever made was to go to kuwait. i was on a plane from memphis to washington when i heard that our planes have gone in. you worry about how many people are going to be killed. so it's probably the most crucial here yes, i think you should go to congress and get permission to go to war. i believe that isis, we should kill them all. i mean, there's no doubt in my mind what we do. we just cannot allow things, you can draw a line in the sand and when across the line, well, they

crossed the line. you have to stand up. you have to have a set of you know what's, under president does not have one. so do i agree with what's going on? i think we have two bombs and. i think we have to get other people on the ground. >> mayor mayo, your thoughts on the presence handling of isis and the middle east. >> i think the president has done what any administrator would do, and that is to listen to his military advisers, intelligence and get a briefing as an administrator would do such as i do as mayor of the city of monroe. they are 40,000 troops in isis papers also, they're receiving $6 million revenue per day so you have to be careful as you proceed. and, of course, the airstrikes i agree. the ground troops, i think he needs to listen to his military folks. and i believe that he should consult with congress and communicate with congress. but in terms of going to them to allow congress to make a decision, that's something that the president can handle.

>> congressman mcallister, same question. should the president seek congressional consent prior to any further action against isis? >> i believe he should prior to any additional. let me just tell you right now i don't agree with a lot of the president's foreign policy but when it comes to isil and what's going on right now, absolutely he is doing with the military leaders want. this is what they asked for. but i don't agree with his policies on south sequestration brought the military down to below retention strength to where we don't have 100,000 troops that the military leaders didn't want to go in with ground troops to annihilate isis. but it in the cost we must annihilate isil and make it to where this series, barbaric threat is no longer a threat to the united states on their soil and not our so. >> mr. tarpley, do you agree with president obama's military policy regarding isis and the middle east? >> i think the president should

have sought congressional approval before ordering airstrikes in syria and iraq. i think that congress and only congress has the authority under the constitution to declare war. i think that congress must have the courage to act with regard to fighting isis in the middle east, absolutely. we need to destroy this group. this is a barbaric, inhumane and evil group of people that need to be wiped off the face of the earth. but we must have congressional approval and authorization a note to go to war. we are at war right now, whether we like it or not. but the congress needs to act and the congress must vote to approve military action in the middle east. >> dr. abraham, do you agree with the president military policy regarding isis and the middle east in general? >> as a veteran come he missed the boat. if you wanted to destroy isis back in the spring we had isis lined up on the iraq border like ducks on the pond to he would not take a shot to his generals told him to.

he would not do it. higher power is a good thing but now you isis embedded in kobani, on the outskirts of baghdad. it's going to take ground troops. arm the kurds keep. give them weapons that actually work. the mayor is right. there's about 40,000 isis members but there's about 2 million kurds. calculate the difference there. as for seeking congressional approval from congress, you bet. it's got to be better than the response we've had so far. >> mr. barron, do you agree? >> well, you flip a coin and get a choose between world war and world peace, i'm going to choose world peace. so that said, this ball is rolling and i agree that congress should wait in this momentous decision in the course of our nation's history but, unfortunately, congress has voted. they decided they needed time to run for reelection. so they are not in d.c. handling

the business of the world affairs, and that's a problem. >> mr. brown, do you agree with the president military policy regarding isis in the middle east, and should he seek congressional consent before he really orders anything of? >> absolutely. he should seek congressional action before he takes any further actions in the middle east. i'm always more in favor of congressional action that comes from the people and not from the president. that's what we needed to in the case of isis. it is a barbaric and severe threat to our nation. and in support of the airstrikes, in support of dropping munitions to the kurds and i've been supported by putting boots on the ground if it comes to that. >> mr. dasher, your thoughts on this issue. >> i think the president should seek congressional approval. i think it's important never we have an organization here, isis, the crimes committed are so heinous, al-qaeda kicked him out of the group. sometimes the answer is to eradicate the enemy and i don't

think we need to take anything off the table would comes to eradicating this horrible threat that is i said. i would rather do it on their soil. >> now a 30-second question on immigration and border security. this is offered by tammy reagan richard. she asked what solutions are proposing would you offer regarding immigration. >> we all know that immigration is a tough issue and, of course, i think we all agree agree that immigration reform is needed. there are laws relative to that need to be followed. the borders need to be secured and that only the president but also the senate and the house need to work together to make sure that we address these issues that we're having. with illegal immigration. this country will be much better if we have both parties, or should i say three parties, republicans, democrats as well as into pendants working together and not fighting with another. >> representative mcallister, what solutions for proposals would you offer regarding

immigration? >> one thing that we had was what we stayed three days longer into a recess to get the border security bill passed. it's the density on harry reid's desk waiting for the senate to vote. i think it's reasonable. let's be real about it. they wouldn't be here if we didn't want the new. we are sitting or allowing them to happen. we have laws on the books and we should enforcing those laws. issued a criminal offense when you cross the border, there's a legal way to come to this country. right now what we're running into is with border agents saying they cannot the same immigrant three times in the same night. unacceptable. >> mr. kubba, what proposals would you offer? >> personal it is a federal crime to come into a country without a visa. is becoming twice, it's a felony. i think we need to enforce the law. we already have enough laws on the books right now to solve the problem of illegal immigration. they just need to be enforced. the president has not enforced

the law and congress must hold them accountable for failing to enforce the immigration laws of this country. i'm not in favor of amnesty, not in favor of a pathway to citizenship because i don't think we should reward people for violating the law. >> dr. abraham, what solutions or proposals would you offer regarding immigration? >> we certainly need illegal immigration for our workforce because we are deficient in that area. now, we've got to fill the borders, but with national guard. we have illegals coming in from 75 different countries. and again we're talking about laws here. enforce the laws, but you've got to catch them first. that are up to 2000 people a night across our borders that we never know about. i've got highlights that i fly with that action are on the border, and the border is so porous that they just walk in. >> mr. barron, what solutions or proposals would you offer?

>> we have a very complicated relationship with latin america, and i don't think it's the immigration that we have a problem with but those who seek to settle. so that's a different conversation. i think it's also an opportunity to look at the relationship between church and state. these people are coming from countries with a catholic church has a very large influence, and abortion is illegal. women who are making more babies than they can carry are sending the north to our border and it's become our burden to carry. >> mr. brown, your solutions on proposals regarding immigration. >> let's seal the border. let's enforce the laws that are on the books and let's stop the flow of illegal aliens into our country. they're putting a burden on local enforcing agencies when they crossed and outputting a burden on the state of louisiana to the tune of $10 million for the 280, 300 refugees we received in louisiana. it's a burden to our law enforcement and budget and it needs to be stuck. we can no longer instead of ice free travel across our border. >> mr. basham what solutions you

offer regarding the nation's immigration? >> i would seal the border. i would enforce the laws and number three what is the reason for the influx of aliens across our border. we subset of the large percentage are published not to work for welfare programs. we need jesus talk about entitlement reform. there's a reason why the coming. it's because those jobs are visible because americans won't take them because they could make more money on welfare. any series discussion about immigration reform must begin with a discussion about entitlements. >> mr. holloway, what solutions or proposals would you offer here regarding immigration? >> i truly believe that we have the border patrolled people that could stop anyone from crossing our border. we can send them back. we can absolutely have fences. we need to have a fence. i'm not afraid to say that one of my nieces husband said after

9/11, they had no problems. that that we're going to kill them if they cross the border. there was no work for them to do because there was no one crossing the border. so there's a lot that can be done but number one, we have to know every person that crosses our border. >> now on to 30-second question for candidates on education. should the federal government provide financial relief to college graduates who are struggling to repay student loans? what proposals to have to make college possibly more affordable? start with representative mcallister. >> this is one of the problems we're fighting with debate is the burden of what the cost to get a degree from whatever higher learning institutes. we had to come up with some programs t be able to get some relief. in a rural district like we have, taxes is to allow the brightest minds succumb to areas where we are struggling to find jobs. i believe it's a problem that's

building and that we're not aware. it's faster right now and it's going to become a very big problem in the near future. >> mr. kubba, in 30-second should the federal government provide financial relief to college graduates struggling to repay some of those loans? >> let me just say that colleges have charged enormous tuition fees to students going to college. one of the reasons is because of this never ending flow of money under the federal student loan program. what we have to do is get control of the federal student loan program. tuition has just gone through the roof, and one of the things, we see right now that the largest portion of debt growing in discussion right now is student loan debt. student loan debt is unbelievable and we have to have relief for students are struggling right now to repay these student loans. >> dr. abraham, your thoughts on possible released by the federal

government for college grads who are struggling to repay student loans. what proposal might you have to make college perhaps more of portable? >> i have three children dead in college, so i did. lower the interest rate on these student loans to one, 2%. right now they're paying six, 8%. that's an easy simple solution that can happen tomorrow. another alternative, let them go to college, let them go to a trade school, let them go to any advanced school out of high school. and if they can't afford it, have them go into government service for a year or two afterwards to repay the government. what a novel idea but it would work. other countries do. it's worked every time spent mr. barron, your thoughts. >> well, if the federal government is going to step in and bail out the auto industry, the financial industry, the insurance industry as we've seen

with the bones they been thrown through the final passing of the affordable care act, and one of the individual student? we rely on education as a benchmark for many jobs, and those jobs are usually the jobs with benefits if we are going for the private free market solutions. and so we want to encourage people to get a higher education or some training. >> mr. brown, should the federal government provide some of the financial relief for those graduates? >> ice early think we need to reform the entire student loan program but the opportunity there is to allow the students the opportunity to refinance these loans and get a better rate of interest on their loads and then when they get out of college let's be sure that the proper work and violent for them to go into. let's be sure we provide the proper incentive in these rural parishes of ours so again this can get a job and work down on the 100,000 of worth of debt he has accrued. it's all about creating the proper and five so that jobs can

prosper in. >> mr. dasher, should the federal government be providing financially to college grads who are struggling to repay loans? >> i think we have to consider the effect with about $144 trillion worth of unfunded liabilities in this country. $18 trillion debt. the thought of bailing somebody else out is ludicrous to me. we don't have the money. we could sit there and back like we do but we don't. the answer is to get the federal government out of the way. the more they get involved, the price goes up. i think the answers we need to get the fabric of it out of education as much as possible. >> candidate holloway, should the federal government provide financial relief for some of these college graduate? >> has a senior citizen gets less than 1% on an account, so why should they be paying seven, eight, 9% 40 student loan? i think the interest is one of the things we can do the best.

i think public service should be, i think everyone in our country should have public service. if you're a young person you should serve in some type of public service for six months, a year, two years, whatever they set for time. i just believe that that would create what we need in our country and make young people more responsive. >> wrapping up this question, mr. mayor, your thoughts on the issue of student loan relief and a college can be made possibly more affordable. >> there's a question the federal government should provide some relief in terms of decreasing some of the interest rates. in fact, i'm aware of the fact that senator landrieu has presented or she is working on a bill to do such. i think that's very important i've had two kids that gone through college, so not only are they having to pay back the loans, but i'm having to back the loan myself and my wife. it's unconscionable to thank that all the money that's got to

be paid back by students. >> thank you. our eighth question of evening post by many of her peers is all about jobs and the economy. what is one thing you might do to create new jobs in louisiana's fifth district? mr. carper, 30 seconds. >> one of the biggest problems is government regulation. we've made it so difficult for small businesses to operate and function. the tax burden has been unbearable and the revelatory burden has been incredible. small business are not able to afford lawyers and accountants and all sorts of experts to help them deal with all the regulatory burdens they have. so reducing the razor burn is one thing we can do to help small business create jobs because most jobs are created by small businesses and that's what's the backbone of our economy. we need small business job relief in the fifth district. >> mr. abraham, what is one thing you would do to trade new jobs in louisiana's fifth district? >> the fifth district is the largest row crop district in the nation and we can't supply in of

labor because of the regulations that the epa, the irs, obamacare puts on her businesses. those are the job killers. get those back, repeal which again, change what you can't. it's not a matter of finding. it's a matter of spending that we are doing. lower the corporate tax rate of 35 to 20%, cut the income tax. a flat tax is a good and that would solve 99% of your job problems. >> mr. baird, 30 seconds. >> -- mr. barron. i'd like to think of be a bit of a traffic cop and directing industries industry leaders are looking for great places and great people to do their work. i know of two new plans have been built in old timberland. one is in or house bears and what is in great pairs and they're making an alternative fuel that's used in the united kingdom. i know that's a lot of jobs. understandability railcars and

painting them instantly into the i love all of this adage is want make sure that the investments continue. >> mr. brown, what is one thing to do to create new jobs in the fifth district? >> let's be sure the federal government is providing the proper environment where jobs can prosper. we are the nights poorest district in the nation. we've got to do something to bring ourselves out of this. let's lower the capital -- let's get the keystone pipeline approved so that those jobs can be put to work and let's promote our own energy resources so that hundreds of thousands of good high-paying jobs can be brought to the fifth district. begged a $74 billion in back to the state of louisiana and 4 billion goes to local and state tax coffers. >> mr. dasher what is one thing you would do the? >> my plan to get the fifth district back to work starts with a limited capital gain stack. number two we got separated for

reform. in 2013 the competitiv competite enterprise institute estimated we spent as americans $1.86 trillion to make it compliant government regulation. this is like $15,000 per household. we need to peel back some of these unnecessary regulations. i think we need to pursue domestic energy production. we have enough oil and gas in the united states that we could be virtually energy independent. that would create thousands of jobs. >> mr. holloway, what is one thing you d you would do to crew jobs? >> of course i look at the district -- they put money into the proposal that would help economic development. we need to have economic department. we need to further process our agriculture products which were produced in this district in large numbers. we can have plans that are going to continue. quit shipping the product out of state and let's further process in our state. there's a lot that can be done that there are jobs that is

equipped to help people who make low income, but we need to demand that they were. >> mayor mayo, what is one thing you do degrade some jobs? >> as mayor we have created many jobs with centurylink and also chase and with credit and if i'm that's conducive to grow. ya mega site in richland parish because of -- and also i would develop along the red river to there are so many things that you can do. the first thing is to stop fighting one another in congress and stop fighting the president and work together and do everything you can because this is one of the poorest districts in all united states. >> mr. mcallister, what is one thing you would do to create jobs? >> continue doing what i've been doing, trying to make sure everything is applied for by economic develop at agencies throughout the district, gets the full attention and support, like the $1 million would go

back for the northeast rural center, building a new facility out by the monroe airport. like the half $9 we got to try to create jobs and railroads. for me it's about supporting this district and cutting back every regulation we can to encourage a better working environment. i get 100% rate with small business. small business is the key. >> are nice question is yes or no. if governor bobby jindal announces his bid for the presidency will you support him? dr. abraham, let's start with you. >> i will. >> mr. barron? >> i will not. >> mr. brown? >> yes, i will. >> mr. dasher? >> i am not sporting anyone who wants to run. >> mr. holloway? >> will not. >> mr. mayo? >> no. >> representative mcallister. >> he's got a lot of convincing to do for me, not now. >> mr. tarpley? >> no, not at this time. >> we'lwe will be right back int

a few moments. we will their final thoughts when we come back. >> you've been watching the campaign 2014 voice your vote congressional forum live on knoe news and cbs2 brodeur exclusively i create and create. >> we are back. thank you for joining us. final comments from our candidates. >> welcome back to voice your opinions, gentlemen. we will start with mr. barron a final thought from you. >> i want to thank everybody for bearing with us all tonight. i want to let you know that three quarters of the eligible voters that are likely cannot put a state in this election that i'm here for you, whether it's a two-party system or the candidates with us to campaign

that has been taking place that is turned you off. we are here for you come and for the 25% of the likely voters that are still undecided, i am appealing to your vote. those of you who have chosen but don't like your choice, a vote for the green party is a vote for louisiana and its abundant natural resources. it's a vote for political freedom and independence. it's a vote for democratic participation, justice, fairness, for independence and freedom for one and all, and it's also a vote for peace. i'm against violent crime and i want to bring louisiana back to the top. >> next, mr. dasher, we want to ask you, without mentioning any of your opponents, why should i vote for you speak with this is were i think all the issues we talked about tonight boiled down to one thing. we have a federal government that is out of control. i disagree. there is one god. i stated before you tonight in the database with thomas

jefferson when he wrote that famous argument for why we should be free from the tyranny of england. he said we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. and that is why i'm running for congress. i want to fight up on that ideal of what makes america great your god-given natural rights. our rights do not come from is a politicians in washington. they don't come from governors or presidents or congressmen. i'm not going up there to determine your rights. i'm going out there to defend your rights and ask you for your book tonight so i can do that. please send me to washington to. >> mr. brown, 52nd come why should i vote for your? >> i want you to my expense of pharma, timber, oil and gas and those three indices overlap this district i've mentioned to my committee service in the form of the lead addition, the washita, the washita river valley association. these three nonprofits have sent to washington for the past 15

years. i've held off a late which, attract cosponsors of those underwater those to to the halls of congress and seen them become law. these laws that help secure our protecting thousands of residents into this district today. i see good millions of funding for bank stabilization a long washita river and i will like to do more of that for you in washington, d.c. we are number 27 on about the i appreciative on being here tonight. want to thank all of my opponents are coming out tonight and it's been a pleasure traffic on the campaign trail within. but remember me when you go to for. remember my experience and my committee service and my commitment to you. >> mr. holloway, without mentioning any of your opponents, why should i vote for you? >> well, i want to start out by saying i think every night i asked god if i'm doing, that they win. and if and when i do what's right. i served three terms within six use. i didn't guarantee people -- on the going to do that. but i feel that i will have six

years into my seven years of seniority when i go there. 80% of the chairman's of committees are leading subcommittees are people that served with me years ago. so the relationship i have with those is very valuable i think to the fifth district of louisiana, and will be very valuable. i go and the first bill i will introduce is one that will ask that we limit what you can buy with food stamps. i think that we allow t-bone steaks. i grew up on beans and black eyed peas. i believe it would work on obesity. i think it would serve many things that we need done in this country today. >> they give a much. mayor mayo, your final thoughts without mentioning a bonus. why should i vote for you? >> you should vote for me, please, because i have that the leadership skills as well as experience in both legislative and administrative. we have created the best environment that's conducive for

job growth and economic develop an in the state of -- the city of monroe. we will do for the fifth congressional district. you heard talk about a number of different things tonight, and one of the problems we have in congress is that every edge has been against the president disagreeing or criticizing the president and that's what's wrong with congress. there's too much money to get able to work together. i've done it in athletics. i've been in business. i've done it in government and i will be able to do it in the fifth congressional district with your vote. nine -- my number is number 31. god bless you and keep you in his care. >> representative mcallister, why should i vote for you? >> for me it's pretty simple. for all my life, 40 years, i've only been allowed in the dining room to take with the government getting and figure out how to make what i make through this world. now you put me up there for a year and i've got to be in the kitchen to i've got to see why it tasted like to for all these

years. for that i ask you to eventually started back last november you just need to go there and fight to fight. regard as any can a personal mistake in my personal life i have done the job the they call me a maverick. matter. they call me a loose cannon. if you know welcome on the fifth district maverick and the fifth district loose cannon. i'm one of you. and for that i will always fight for you. i'm your biggest lobbyists and it comes to going to washington because i'm your lobbyists against all the other special interest out there. i care and i want to keep gearing. ask people. i love you and ask for your vote and hope to season. >> mr. tarpley, without mentioning any of your opponents why should i vote for you? >> the policies of the federal government are destroying the middle class in this country. we see rising prices, wages that are stagnating, jobs being shipped overseas. right here in our district we see jobs that have been lost over the last 10, 15, 20 years. what is the problem?

the problem, ladies and gentlemen, is not the washington is broken. washington is bought. the problem is that special interests control what goes on in washington. and we need a congressmen who will not be controlled by special interests, that won't allow the pac money and the big money from the big corporate interests to dictate what he does in washington, d.c. we need a congressmen that will fight for the middle-class, fight for the farmers, fight for the small businessman and work hard at representing the citizens of this district. that's what i intend to do. >> alas, tonight from ralph abraham, without mentioning any of your opponents, why should i vote for you? >> folks, we've got to get back to the constitution and christian much better founding fathers envisioned. we are so far down that road away from the road that the clip is really close. i want to run for the right reasons. i want to serve for the right reasons. not for political gain, not for monetary gain, and not for money. if you look at my website, if

elected, i told you that i would donate my salary to st. jude's, and the benefits organization to a terrible day for me is one has to look a mother in the eye and tell for her child has cancer. st. jude's is a saving grace organization. we can do this. i did ask for your vote. i'm ralph abraham. thank you so much. >> thank you, doctor. we appreciate that. >> that's all the time we have. we want to thank all of our candidates and you for joining us tonight, and make sure to get out to the polls on november 4. >> and a special thanks to creed and create for sponsoring this evening's political for. >> we want to thank you for joining us here on knoe and cbs2 in alexandria. >> it's going to be quite an election day. see you back here next month. ♪

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this is about half an hour. ♪ >> moderator: hello and welcome to this debate between the candidates for congress in pennsylvania's 10th 16 but i am rob vaughn. i say debate but a format is not formal. no timed answers or time rebuttals to we want to make more the conversation. three of us will back around ard issues and give-and-take is welcome and hope to encourage. the only formal part comes at the end when each man will have one minute for a closing statement. here are the candidates for the sixth district seat left open by the retirement of republican congressman jim gerlach. republican candidate ryan costello from chester county. practicing attorney and chairman of the chester county board of commissioners. welcome. democratic candidate is manan trivedi, a practicing medical doctor, an iraq war veteran.

welcome. >> thanks for having me. spin this as an i've shaped thing. i don't know what to liken to the kind of a pistol shaped individual stretching from the western suburbs of philadelphia in chester county of the parts of montgomery county and then west into brooks including towns like borders down and see what all the way west to lebanon. just so you know the area. we have a half an hour. let's talk about some the issues. normally i would start a debate like this and i thought i would start this debate with a pocketbook type of an issue. after all, jobs and economy are the number one thing according to the voters. but in light of the current atmosphere, things being a lot of anxiety over a couple things i guess you could call twin tears. one of them is a group that loves peoples heads off, and people wonder if it is stoppable. the other terror you could say is this disease has come over here subtly and people wonder if it is stoppable.

in times of high anxiety like these, people look to their leaders come and so i ask if you were elected to the sixth district and went to fisher constituents and you could see the anxiety over these things, what would you as their leader say to them? what could you say to assure them in these times? >> there are security issues at the heart. whether we're talking about homeland security or national security your the issue as i see this one will be to provide a certain coherence, and when you do it working together. much better than we washington, d.c. has been working. and so i think the first thing that you want to see in your elected leader a strength, clarity, and a willingness to pursue safety measures in a way where your constituents feel that you are working with everybody to get it done. i think that's probably the best eliminate approach that you want

to explain to constituents but you also want to say, look, i may not have the answers on this, but by working with members of congress, working with the administration, by working with outside agencies that play a role in this, we are going to get it right. that's why think we start. >> moderator: what would you say? trivedi: these are two big issues. we have ebola and isis and look, i would do on my own experience as a doctor who has a significant extent in public health, and is a veteran who served in that region. i would tell voters look, let's talk about this. i can draw on my experience in these fields to help inform, help calm the widespread panic. when it comes to ebola comforts and foremost i think we need to remember there's a lot of panic, a lot of history out there. but let's look at what this is. a chance of a pandemic of ebola happening in the united states

is a very, very low. we've got to look, talk to experts in the what they're saying and recognize that the cdc do its job, quarantined the folks that may come in contact with individuals, those folks to travel to endemic areas of west africa and then they come back with symptoms. make sure the right procedures in place in the hospital figures of things we need to remember. there's another important issue we should think about when we're talking about things like ebola is that the director of the cdc has come out and said that if we had the proper funding five, seven years ago, we could've had a treatment for ebola know. we have to remember when we are making future budget decisions and not be so shortsighted with our investment on things like medical research and health care innovation. >> moderator: are using with underfunded those things? trivedi: i don't think there's any doubt with underfunded the cdc and nih, things like the sequestered. remember the budgetary gimmick that cut funding across the

board. these guys have come out and said these are clear result of the underfunding. and it's the folks in d.c. who have a block this kind of funny because they wanted to take a hatchet to the budget without thinking things through and think these are the kinds of investments we need for the longer. let's remember this panic. leche member this widespread sort of concern now when we're making future decisions. as a physician and a guy who served in iraq, i know firsthand the real threats that these things have. but it's so critical that we listen to the experts. listen to the public health officials before we jump to the frantic conclusions spent budget in this part of the. across-the-board cuts indiscriminately makes no sense. at the county level what i've done over the past four years is every single year we have quarter of the meetings. it's a transparent process and you are laying out your produce.

we have one of the poorest health departments in the commonwealth after and the imposition programs, through disease control, what we need to make sure that we're doing in government is investing in our people. i think the frustration that many people have is to look at, let's talk about ebola for a moment. the question is why where we ahead of the curve on this? i think the answer to both of us here is rather than pointing fingers what we need to do is project in a forward-looking way a solution to this problem with clarity and solve it. >> moderator: what do you think about travel bans? there's a rising tide of sentiment especially among republicans went to berkeley for coming in from those countries that are hotspots. agree or disagree? type of on commercial flights just. what happens, my dissent is not a direct flight from west africa to the united states. the question becomes as folks from countries that do have, that you have ebola present,

there should be a 21 day waiting period to make sure that we are not making a problem worse than it already is. trivedi: this is when the people understand science and health care and make decisions for these things. first of all the incubation period could not be more than 21 days. >> even longer. >> this is a problem with politicians making decisions about health care. we have too many professional politicians in d.c. now jumping up and dancing when you do this, this and this but let's talk to the experts and people understand health care. >> travel been? >> the cdc director said the travel ban would be counterproductive to you would make the disease worse in west africa. you would worsen efforts to try to stop the stem of come in africa. and also it would be harder to track people coming in because they would be coming in from different places. >> just respectfully intercede here, this is not, my statement

is that indicating that we should not seek to combat the disease but should not be on commercial flights. military or their medical, isolate it, air travel there to make sure it's done inappropriately. i further agree with what mr. trivedi is saying, and this is a situation where elected officials need to listen to the experts. i do also feel that we're in a predicament right now where we still need answers. so i think anything either of us to say is subject to additional evidence, in fact the we come out in the days to come. i think that's a fair -- >> i can just as a physician there's a lot, the public is thinking out there and a lot of rumors out there that are spreading that are just countries we need to calm down and listen to experts. the experts have said each event commercial flights, these folks will try to come in through other ways where we can't track them. try to cross the borders of the

ways worked much harder to see if they have fevers, much hard to see whether coming from. i think we need to listen or experts and not the politicians. this is the problem with so many things in washington, that these guys are professional lawmakers, professional politicians all of a sudden when some crisis or some new hot new topic on cable news comes up, these guys jump up and down and say here's the answer. >> they didn't go to medical school. they didn't study public health. let's calm down. >> i think frank is more evidence comes out, i think we want to head in the direction where we're going to eliminate this disease and keep americans feeling secure and feeling safe. >> we need someone who can be a leader in health care in america. that person would be the surgeon general, right? but we don't have a surgeon general right now. do you know why? because the nra has blocked the confirmation of the surgeon general because he said one thing one day about gun

violence. ryan, you are backed by the nra. how do you square that with the folks who back you that say we don't need a surgeon general? this is the time we need a surgeon general. >> a couple things. you have no default this into a blaming political blame game, but speak we need a surgeon general. this is a time we need a surgeon general. >> the other element to this, if we're going to say what we don't have is we don't have someone in the white house administration who is a bioterrorism policy adviser because president obama removed that position. that's not something i intended to come and share in the debate because of the ever popular focus on what our approach is to come in at resolve issues that but since mr. trivedi wants to start pointing out the political blame game. >> i think it's critical to know why we don't have a surgeon general. it's not a blame game. it's a fact. >> we may come back to nra and

guns and so for our time is rushing away. i want to hit the other care just briefly. the president has decided of airstrikes against isis. john mccain, more to the hawkish side, made a comment last week but the bad guys are winning and it will take you as ground forces to defeat them. is the wrong? >> that we need more air strikes? >> he said that guys are winning the peace that it will take boots on the ground to defeat i suspect do you think he is wrong? >> i don't think it's up to the wrong. in fact, what i haven't seen from this of administration is a strong plan to really root out isis where they are. once again, i draw on my spirits and this is i think critical for folks who have real world experience to go down the congress. i served in iraq with the marines. i don't know hard it is to get things done there. i've lost friends in iraq. and so i want to make sure that we root out and destroy isis. but also want to make sure we do it the right way and that we

learned from our lessons in iraq and afghanistan and we have a plan that has benchmarks so that we are showing progress. and we have an exit strategy to these are the things we did in iraq and afghanistan. if that take boots on the ground, so be it. ..