people want to hear about most, jobs and the economy. getting the budget balanced and moving the country forward and finding positive solutions for the country and where i keep my efforts focused.

>> moderator: we'll go to howard. >> we'll stay on the same topic. what is the most unfair criticism that's been leveled at your by our opponent or independent groups supporting by your opponent, why is it unfair and what is the truth? >> moderator: congresswoman, let's begin with you. shea-porter: the suggestion somehow or another i'm not for the middle class, that is probably the one i would say is the most unfair. i have spent my life working for the middle class. i've spent my life working with seniors, for seniors. so hearing that nonsense about i would be cutting medicare, i would be doing this, doing that, it is not who i am, it is not what i've done with my life's work. so that probably would rate up there. we all know not to get offended too much about this. let me point out we understand this is part of it. the first ad of the whole political cycle was one against me by frank's party, about the second week after i had gotten back in in january of 2013 or

early february 2013. so you know, it happens. i did ask frank if he would sign a statement with me, asking third parties to stay out of new hampshire and talk to new hampshireites. declined. i asked him last time and declined. this what happens. it comes in and it is tough. we know how to deal with this. we can't get emotional. can't get upset about this i look at it, all i want frank, and i think you did a good job, this time, put a good picture of me. i did like the pictures. i thank you for that. >> moderator: congressman, i want you to respond to the congresswoman and answer the most unfair criticism? guinta: almost every ad carol or democrats are running are distortions who i am and my record. why you campaign vigorously, try to meet as many people as you possibly can to talk about how you will move the country in the right direction. and be reflective of what people want in the state of new hampshire, which again, focusing on job growth, economic growth, balancing our budget. the things that carol

shea-porter for six years in office has not been age to deliver for the state of new hampshire. that's why i think we need a change. >> moderator: congresswoman. shea-porter: one thing you learn to do ask pivot, frank did say no abortion, not to save a woman's life. he voted to defund planned parenthood. there is bill paycheck fairness and he never, never voted for that, or signed up i should say because it didn't come to a vote but he never cosponsored it. so, you know, there is nothing wrong in that ad. it is all factual. >> moderator: congressman, 15 seconds we're moving on. guinta: the ads and carol her team put out are distortions of my record. i will continue to focus helping middle class, moving economy, things that carol shea-porter has not been able to do in the six years she served our state. >> moderator: thank you both. we'll change gears right now and go to laura. >> i want to ask you both about gun control. after the massacre of 26 children and educators in

newtown, connecticut in late 2012 a bill was introduced in the u.s. senate to expand the national gun background check system to private sales at gun shows and on the internet. basically making these sellers follow the same rules that licensed firearms dealers already follow. that bill failed but here's the question. should all these groups of gun sellers be subject to the same rules and regulations and if not, why not? >> moderator: congressman, we'll start with you. guinta: i think we need to respect the second amendment. it is 27 words i don't think should be changed and modified. people in the state of new hampshire take that seriously. we have to focus on criminals. that is what i did when i was mayor. i was tough on crime mayor and was able to focus our resources on adding police officers, providing more programs to get rid of criminals. that is what we need to be focusing on. focus on the criminal, not the good citizen who again, is a

abiding by the law. i think that another clear difference between myself and carol shea-porter, she does not support the second amendment. wants to restrict gun rights on individuals here in the state of new hampshire and that is out of touch with what new hampshire wants. >> moderator: that is no on regulations. guinta: i think we need to focus on criminals. eliminate the criminal and you will see reduction in crime like i was able to accomplish as mayor of state's largest city. >> moderator: congresswoman. shea-porter: i support the second amendment. i am fine if people want to own a gun to hunt, defend their home, collect guns i'm fine with. that i'm fine with family members being able to give each other guns and do. that we grew up in new hampshire. we know plenty of people who hunt or who live in rural area and feel like they need support there and protection and i am fine with that. but frank says that he wants to go after criminals. well the only way to do that to find out if they're buying guns. is check and only take as few

minutes. new hampshire citizens are law-abiding. it is like this, if you go into an airport and somebody says to you, 60% of you have to go through the metal detector and 40% can walk around it you say i think we all should walk through it. i'm certain almost every single person is law-abiding, i want the extra certainty. this is too. at gun shows we need to know who they are. no other way to find the guns criminals have or people who should not be having guns because they might harm themselves or others. it is very simple. i think we should do it. >> moderator: why don't we move on to an issue being debated in congress. been debated for a couple of years. for that question let's go to kiki. >> thanks a lot, paul. a question for both candidates. congresswoman, shea-porter, you think illegal immigrants should be required to return to their country of origin before they're eligible for citizenship. congressman guinta, as opponent

of dream act what do you think should be done with young children of i am my grants who came here illegally? >> moderator: congresswoman, begin with you. shea-porter: if people come over the border and they're not refugees, yes, they should be sent back. but for people been here and settled families here, lived here a long time i support exactly what kelly ayote, our u.s. senator, republican, and u.s. senator jeanne shaheen supported in the senate. so we need a reform for those, we have to make it difficult for people. we have to make sure they speak english, pay fines, they spend a long time working their way towards it. they understand citizenship et cetera. but we can't round up 11 million people and send them back, even if we wanted to. we couldn't do that. rather than create this permanent subculture or have them in the shadows, we need to bring them out. i admire and praise the republicans in the senate who voted for this because we all know that we need immigration reform. it will make this country safer.

it is beefing up our borders and doing so much more. it will be good. >> moderator: congressman? guinta: there are a couple things we need to do. first of all, new hampshire relies on h1b and h 2 b visas. we need to update that process so you can provide more access to the north country for those individuals who want to come here legally, work here, during a seasonal job or, longer period of time. those are the things that have to be done that should be updated. secondly, we have to close the border. carol shea-porter said nothing about the notion of closing the border, stopping what the problem is, which is this flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border. and it is because i believe that she supports the daca order the president issued not once but twice. we have 400,000 people illegally come across the border. it is not right. it is not, keeping our country safe and it hurts us economically. so that can be rescinded.

i called for the rescinding of that daca order. she refuses to. but let's start with closing the border and not making the problem worse. >> moderator: specifically with the dream act and the young children of illegal immigrants? guinta: let's start with closing the border first and then determine what to do with those individuals who are here but again, we have to stop the problem from continuing to grow the and that means closing the border. that has not been done. that's a clear difference between myself and care shea-porter. >> moderator: quick response? shea-porter: actually, frank actually voted to cut funding for border and i actually voted to support it but he is mixed up about the daca because that is the deferred action for children and so, they had to have been in in country before 2007. this is not applying to people who are arriving now. so, it is not because of daca that you're seeing people cross over the border. we do need to close the borders. guinta: paul, it sends a message. the daca order send a message to

anyone who wants to cross the border. what is happening, drug lords getting payments of $6,000 for an individual to come across the border illegally. so the daca order is exactly why this is happening. that should be rescinded. she refuses to call for rescinding it. i called on the president to do that. again a clear difference between the two of us. >> moderator: thank you both, very much. from isis to education we have a lot more ground to cover. the nh1 debates continues in a moment. ♪ >> moderator: welcome back to the nh1 debate in new hampshire first congressional district. developments in the middle east have been a topic in the last couple weeks. i want to go to howard for a

question. >> thank you, paul. you both said you don't support boots on the ground in iraq or syria and don't support supporting troops to combat isis. could do you see any event, sending inground troops saying isis capturing baghdad. >> moderator: congressman to you. guinta: howard, thank you for the question. i didn't support the legislation come on the house, arming syrian rebels, training them. i didn't think it was a complete plan. i would like to see leadership from the president of the united states. he sneads to articulate what a plan is for congress. there needs to be up-or-down vote whether we're going to actually go to war or not. i think most people feel like we actually are at war at the moment but you need to follow the war powers act in order to follow the constitution and follow obligations of legislative and executive branch. if i were to see something from the president that was clear and definitive that recognized a plan to eliminate isis, then

that is something i could vote for but i haven't seen that from the president yet. >> moderator: if baghdad fell, hypothetical, would that be a situation where you would consider boots on the ground? guinta: again you need to see what the plan from the president is, what i would like to see continued airstrikes from the united states. cooperative relationships with our friend in the region and around the world, for them to help with boots on the ground, led by american forces of course. but, again you need to see this from the president. the president has not provided leadership and not provide ad true plan to the congress yet. >> moderator: congresswoman. shea-porter: here is something frank and i agree on. i think we should have been called back to have very vigorous debate so the american public can see and hear and have that vote. i said no to arming syrian rebels, moderates, because we don't really know exactly who they are. their alliances change daily or weekly. syria is in the middle of a civil war and once they decided to go ahead and, they did vote

yes, to arm the syrian moderates, one of the first things one of them said, i don't want to go after isil. i want to go after assad, because remember, they're fighting syrian president as well. so, we can't put ourselves in the middle of. that i think it would be a disaster for us to do that. what we do need to do, and we can do though, is build a very strong coalition with countries in the region and other countries as well. and that has been happening. they're building what i consider to be a real solid coalition. i support the airstrikes. i think that is the right thing to do to help. i think that we certainly can help arm the kurds because they're really fighting very hard. we see what they're doing in kobani. so i support helping but we should not have our troops there. we should ask the countries in the region that geographically a lot closer to understand the culture a lot better than we do to take that up. the iraq soldiers really need to step up. we saw what happened after we

paid all of that money and all of the treasure and the blood that we gave to that country. they need to step up. turkey needs to step up. saudi arabia and other countries need to lead. >> moderator: thank you both very much. let's definitely shift gears here and bring it back to the u.s. and for that i want to go to kiki for a question. >> thanks a lot, paul. we'll talk about education. the common core education standards are increasingly controversial with considerable pushback across the country and here in new hampshire. what is your assessment of the program and what changes if any should be made moving forward. >> moderator: congresswoman, let's begin with you. shea-porter: this did not start with the federal government. in fairness this did not start with the federal government. states came together to look at this. i have concerns about it, ultimately that i decided no child left behind was not working even though it was well-intended. i have concerns about this as well. so, you know i saw a couple little videos about how they're teaching and some of it looked

good, some of it didn't look good. i think it would be perfectly legitimate to have this conversation on every level now before we emerse ourselves too deeply in it but we do need to no one thing. we have to make sure our children are prepared to compete in this world and we are not number one in education. i wish that we were, but we're not. and so we have competition all around the world. so we really need to really beef up our science, technology, engineering and math. that is what this is intended to do and develop critical thinking skills. so clearly there is a lot that is good. there is some that is troublesome. >> moderator: thank you, congresswoman. congressman. guinta: i oppose common core. i didn't hear carol shea-porter actually say. that i absolutely oppose it. family, teachers, administrators, superintendents i talked to across the district and across the state are in growing numbers opposing this mandate. this is the fundamental problem with the federal government

being too involved in our everyday lives. i think carol shea-porter tends to think that the federal government can be the answer to everything. i disagree. the federal budget for education is about $85 billion. we have 99,000 school districts across the country. there is no reason to treat every school district across the country the same. and that is what education policy is doing in this country. common core is doing the same thing. we don't treat rochester and manchester the same. we shouldn't treat all the school districts the same with top-down mandates. we're a local control state. republicans and democrats believe in local control. i would like to put my faith in the school boards of state of new hampshire, not bureaucracy of washington, d.c. >> moderator: congresswoman a very short rebuttal. shea-porter: i believe in local control. i said i was concerned about number of elements. this did not come from the federal government. i am concerned this is how it is

playing out. pause and have a look at this and make sure we're getting what we need and deliver what we need to deliver. so it can't be all good and all bad. i think that's what we need to look at. we need to look at what works and what doesn't. we need to be able to make changes when we find out it is not working. guinta: paul, very simple of. we had come con or in the state long enough and people don't like it. i don't know why congresswoman shea-porter won't draw a clear line and eye pose it. i oppose it. students, families, administrators, teachers, are opposing in our state. another clear difference between the two of us. >> moderator: thank you both very much. let us move on. laura, a question from you. >> thanks, paul. i want to ask you about drug addiction and heroin in particular. we have more granite staters dying from drug overdoses than traffic deaths. in addition to human toll and cost to our economy of substance

abuse is estimated in hundreds of millions of dollars. heroin addiction as you am sure you both know is a big part of. that how would you as member of congress help new hampshire tackle that. >> moderator: congressman, begin with you. guinta: thank you very much. as mayor of our state's largest city i had to not only deal with violent crime and property and drug crime. they're interrelated. you have to have a local, state and federal approach. one. things i do if i return to congress, fortunate enough to be your member of congress and work through the appropriations process of congress and return dollars back to new hampshire to utilize through our communities and state of new hampshire so we can eradicate this problem here in new hampshire. it has to be not just a federal issue. it has got to be dealt with on a state and local issue as well. >> moderator: congresswoman? shea-porter: this is a good question for me because i was a social worker for many years the reality we never properly funded this we just didn't have treatment centers.

in fact we closed so many treatment centers around the country. we have a huge problem. we know. that we have to work on prevention but also need to take care of those, that is one of the good things, i think about the. >> expansion for medicaid because people will have access to health care. we also need the drug courts. we need to do interventions. so when you pick somebody up and they just you know, shoplifted at say, walmart or walgreens, look at them and figure out, ascertain, if there is a reason that is drug-related and get them into early treatment. and i've talked to a number of police officers and various communities. and they all agree, that we really need to focus more resources on this. this is a really bad time to go cutting programs that treat people who have addictions. >> drug dealers, in this state are a significant problem and i don't think carol shea-porter understands the severity of issue. when i talk to chiefs and police officers who put bulletproof vests on each and every day,

they tell me their lives are in danger because you're talking about drug dealers who are armed, who are dangerous. these are individual we have to go after and put away. treatment is, her proposal of treatment just doesn't eradicate the drug problem here in the state of new hampshire. we've got to take this on and take it on tough. we've got to protect our sit currency. that means getting rid of drug dealers in the state of new hampshire. >> moderator: laura. i want to go back to you. i believe you have a follow. >> i want to ask you congressman gint tax under affordable care act. under the act, i think carol shea-porter, mentioned this, medicaid first time cover substance abuse. people in the field say that is welcome development. i wonder what you think? is it welcome development? will that help people struggling with this? guinta: carol shea-porter believes there is top-down approach, federal government or nothing. i disagree with that. when you look at affordable care act in new hampshire, 22,000

people lost their insurance. we read in "usa today" this past sunday, another 70,000 people in the state of new hampshire in november are going to lose their coverage. this is not the intent of me or originally what people had focused on in terms of trying to reduce costs and increase coverage. there are things you can do in free market approach. again purchasing across state lines, number one. transparency is critical. we did that when i was mayor. you saw costs come down voluntarily, not done legislative. allowing to pool those three things we can do to have more money in the system to be more effectively utilized. >> moderator: thank you. congresswoman. shea-porter: addicts don't have money to buy health insurance so we have to take care of them. it is in our best interests for our safety. i want to say i absolutely support the police. i know they need, they need more support. i have voted for every program that would help them including putting more cops on the street,

making sure they had the equipment that they needed to do this. so it is simply false to suggest that somehow or another if i believe in treating that i am weak on law enforcement. i'm strong in law enenforcement and strong on treatment. i'm speaking from a lot of experience as a social worker seeing families come in and they are desmayed by drug or alcohol abuse and they lose their homes. lose their apartment. they have to move frequently. they can't keep jobs. this is big problem out there. we need to take care of it. >> moderator: thank you both. we save ad little time in this debate for each much you to ask a question to the other. so i'm going to start right you no congresswoman, it is your chance to ask your republican challenger a question. shea-porter: okay. frank, are you sorry that you voted against all of those programs that made the portsmouth naval shipyard suffer and had to furlough people that hurt the national guard, that hurt the military readiness? i certainly -- served on armed

services committee and come in all the time saying impact that it had. would you change your vote for that now or would you go right back and support the republican study group which wanted to slash federal budgets 30% and do you still also think that we should abolish the irs and therefore we wouldn't have any income coming in? guinta: well, let me take this equestionster question first. and then i can answer the irs question next. the sequester was again the idea and mandate of president united states and harry reid the leader of the senate. they held the house hostage, if you don't vote for cuts in defense, the government will shut down. you would have voted that way, you would have voted to shut down the government. we kept the government functioning, found a middle ground on budgeting and then, back in the house voted not once, not twice, but three times to replace the sequester reductions. harry reid to he refused to take it up. that is part of the problem in this country. that things aren't getting

accomplished because you don't have the legislative branches willing to work with one another. in this congress, and i've said this quite a bit, 285 pieces of legislation passed in the house of representatives. 90% passed bipartisanly. the senate has taken less than 30 votes. that is fundamental process problem with, with the washington, d.c. and this is why people are so frustrated with washington, d.c. relative to the irs, i don't think many people like the irs. people are frustrated with irs. and i think one of the fundamental challenges with the irs is that they take advantage of people, of taxpayers. they are going after individuals and groups and what's frustrate something that on your disclosure, you have both benefiting from a pension and a salary. you also took $10,000 from the irs pac and then you voted in favor of irs subsidies.

that is something that the american people are frustrated with and it is something that we have to change. >> moderator: before we get to chance to answer your question. shea-porter: he didn't answer my question. so first of all there is no irs pac. guinta: union pac, that is the irs. shea-porter: let me ask you one more time. do you still want to abolish the irs. i want to reform it. and i want to reabolish it. guinta: i understand, you voted against, to support lois lerner and you voted against eliminating the lavish parties and the lavish money that the irs has been spending. i think you did that because you took $10,000 from the irs union pac and you're benefiting according to your disclosure from a salary and a pension at the same time. that is the kind of frustration that people have in this country that ought to be eliminated. shea-porter: can i get an answer to that? would you, you have been saying

you want to abolish the irs. do you still want to abolish the irs or do you want to reform it like i do? guinta: i have answered the question. >> moderator: okay. time for your question to carol shea-porter. guinta: why do you continue to support obamacare when the latest news this sunday is that 70,000 people in the state of new hampshire, in november, are going to have their policies canceled? and why would you continue to ask for president obama to come and campaign for you in the state of new hampshire? shea-porter: okay. well i didn't ask the president to come and campaign for me in the state of new hampshire okay? people didn't lose their policies as you know. and if you don't you could, look it up. okay, go to "politifact" and look it up. you have so many statements that are simply not so, i'm pretty surprised. guinta: "usa today" article on sunday says in november 70,000 people in the state of new hampshire are going to lose

their, have their policies canceled. from the affordable care act. why do you support people losing their insurance in the state of new hampshire? shea-porter: let me ask you a question, why are you okay with people not having insurance? why are you okay with allowing insurance companies to discriminate with preexisting conditions? you were in congress. you kept voting to repeal. you never voted to reform or fix. you have voted repeatedly to repeal health care. why are you okay with them discriminating against women and charging more? why are you okay with people being unable to get insurance or to pay for it? >> moderator: congresswoman? thank you. congressman? guinta: i voted to repeal and replace the affordable care act. new hampshire oppose this is piece of legislation that you supported, you voted for it. you actually looked people in the eye and said, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. that is not happening in the state of new hampshire. it is not happening in your own

hometown of rochester. it is not happening in portsmouth. these are significant population bases in the first congressional district. i think you owe people explanation particularly in november when 70,000 people are going to lose their policies yet again in the state of new hampshire. shea-porter: you never voted to repeal and replace. there has never been a replace vote. you have voted continuously to repeal it. and that is -- >> moderator: thank you both very much. let's do something very quickly and try to change the conversation a little bit. i want to ask you both a question, a very short answer from both of you. if you had a chance to have dinner with anybody living or dead, who would that person be? congressman? guinta: i would love to have dinner with george washington. i think founding fathers were phenomenal individuals who had vision for our country. i would love to be able to spend a moment. >> moderator: congresswoman? shea-porter: i would love to have dinner with my parents again. >> moderator: thank you both very much. tomorrow night, gubernatorial debate with maggie hassen.

and on thursday night debate with jean ha sheen and scott brown. these will be live from the studios on nh1 in concord and broadcast on new hampshire public radio at 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. if you have questions for candidates, send us a email on facebook or. i want to thank congressman frank guinta. congresswoman carol shea-porter for tonight's debate. thank you at home for watching. ♪ >> as campaign 2014 heads into the homestretch we're continuing to show you debates from around the country. join us tonight for more on our companion network c-span at 8:00, it is a debate between candidates to be alaska's next senator, democratic incumbent mark begich is up against republican dan sullivan. couple hours later we go to

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candidates for the open seat are democrat emily cain, republican bruce poliquin and independent blaine richardson. it encompasses the entire northern portion of the nate. the rothenberg political report rate the race as leans democrat. this is about an hour. ♪ ♪ >> moderator: i'm jennifer rooks, welcome to your vote 2014 second congressional district debate. this debate will last an hour and will feature several sections including some broad topical discussions and a lightning round with quick answers. the questions have come from the

npbn news staff and from members of the public. the candidates will also have a chance to question each other. the republican candidate in this race is bruce poliquin of oakland, a former state treasurer. he has sought his party's nomination for governor and u.s. senate before winning his party's nomination in the second district this year. the democratic candidate is emily cain, state center and also served in the maine house of representatives as her party's floor leader. she is married and lives in orono. the independent in the race is blaine richardson. he is a retired navy officer and is mawrd and live -- married and lives in belfast. we are coming to you from lewiston, and in the first segment of this debate we will cover broad topical questions, and we want to devote five or six minutes total to each of those, not apiece. we want you to be able to articulate your opinions, your

positions and also your differences from one another. we determined the order to earlier -- the order earlier and, emily cain, you will go first. maine's overall unemployment rate has fallen to 5.5%, but it is higher than that in several counties in the second district. for example, in washington county the unemployment rate is 7.9%. voters say the economy is their number one issue. how can you, as a representative in congress, help grow the economy and add jobs in the second district? cain: thank you, jennifer, and i'm so glad to be here tonight with you and voters across the second district. we need an economy in maine that works for everyone, and that means we have to work with business and education and government to find solutions. when you talk about the unemployment rate being low, that's not how it feels across the second district, particularly with the announcements of layoff us at mills across our state. what those families are going

through right now is heartbreaking, it's scary, and it's causing an economic anxiety across the whole district. but for me as i've traveled through all of the counties in the second district so many times over the past year and a half, there are bright spots that provide solutions when we talk to and listen to real business owners across our state. for me, it was just a few weeks ago when i earned the endorsement of united states senator angus king. we toured auburn manufacturing in auburn and met with kathy leonard, the opener of that business. she's -- the owner of that business. growing a business in fire-resistant fabrics and turning it into a business for the 21st century by combining research and development with work from the federal government, state programs like the maine technology institute, something i've worked to support over the years. and she's coupling that with a traditional industry, support for her workers and an international market. she's the right kind of business leaders that when i'm in congress, i'll be listening to and thinking about as i work to build the economy.

but more than that for the past ten years, in my role as house chair of the appropriations committee and as the democratic leader, i'm the only one in this race who has worked across the aisle to lower taxes for small businesses and for maine families. i'm the only one in this race that has worked across the aisle to cut more than $4 billion in state spending which is an important way we keep our state on track. and to do that, more than 20 times -- 24, to be exact -- by working with republicans, democrats and dependents to balance those budgets. that's the kind of leadership we need, leadership that focuses on maine businesses, maine leadership and that knows how to work across the aisle. >> moderator: all right, thank you, emily. blaine richardson, how can you, as a representative in congress, help grow the economy and add jobs in the second district? richardson: it is a truly sad problem if you drive through the second district, you go through a downtown, and there's a park bench and a mill site that used

to be there. and in '79 when i got back to maine, there were woolen mills, there were three tanneries, there were shoe stores, shirt factories, and it's all gone. we've just recently had mill closures, this one in buxport is absolutely devastating. our problem here in maine is energy. and the frustrating part of it is between we're in between where the energy is going, down to massachusetts, and canada where the gas and cheap hydro are. we have not been able to get the state to move off the renewable 100,000 megawatt limitation that would allow the kilowatt to get into maine. we also have spent millions of dollars on pipelines here, and we can't get the gas in. we also have sears island which we have been wrestling with for over 20 years and recently gave

half of that away to environmental groups, so no deepwater port will happen there. we're fighting to keep merit point open, but in order to do that, we need federal dredging, and environmental laws are getting in the way with the dredge material that would be removed. we also have the potential of bringing an east/west highway and a deepwater port into eastport. very huge. and all i can say is i'm glad we're not trying to get i-95 or route 1 into the state of maine. to have an east/west corridor with the middle part of america and canada where 90% of heavy industry happens would be a godsend to the northern economy of maine. the number of jobs would be, you wouldn't be able to even estimate it from, you know, ship handling, husbandry, container repair, fuel, trucking, it just goes on and on and on.

but we never seem to be able to get over the environmental hurdles at a federal level, and we can't seem to get, you know, anything moving through the legislature. the federal government right now is a huge problem for jobs in the state of maine. it has its heavy thumbprint on everything that we do in the state of maine from agriculture to fishing to manufacturing, and we need to get that thumb lifted off, and i will commit myself to doing that down in washington with. these agencies are out of control. >> moderator: all right. well, bruce poliquin, the same question to you. how do you help grow the economy and add jobs in the second district? poliquin: thank you, jen, for asking. excuse me. i'm a third generation mainer. i grew up in central maine from a working class family. my dad was a schoolteacher, mom was a nurse. i remember when i was much younger and the folks that i grew up with in central maine, if they showed up on time, they

worked hard and were honest, they could get a job. i remember my grandmother made some of the finest shirts in the world down at hathaway shirt company. that mill is now closed. my late brother worked at the cascade woolen mill in oakland, that's closed. my best buddy's dad across the street was a machinist at scott paper company in winslow, and i worked the night shift in sydney. that's now closed. so what's going on? i have one son who i raised from the time he was in diapers. sammy and i are very close. he just graduated from college and has his fist job, but -- first job, but unfortunately it's in boston, not in maine. it took him two years to get that job. now, he worked summer internships, he worked christmas vacation and spring break to have a shot at the business he wanted to be in. something's going on that's very wrong. we are so connected here in maine to washington, and what happens in washington has a huge

impact on our state. washington, career politicians who have never created a job before, the last five years in a row have spent on average $1.1 trillion more than they've collected from are us in taxes. they either borrow to make up the difference, or worse, they print the money. so now we have a $17 trillion national debt. and the interest payments on that debt are starting to spike and starting to crowd out our ability to fund infrastructure, public safety, so forth and so on. now, when that happens, it means our taxes have to be raised because raising taxes is the way that we pay for that out of control spending and those high debt levels. we also drive up the price of energy instead of driving it down. we have three mills that i think blaine just mentioned, in buxport and oldtown. 1,000 good paying jobs with benefits. my heart goes out to these folks. we're coming up on the holidays soon. in each case one of the key reasons was the cost of energy.

so we need to make sure that we get our spending under control, we start paying down our debt, we lower taxes, we have lower energy prices and then our regulatory environment is predictable but not burdensome. if we do that, we'll have a flood of investment in our country. there'll be more jobs for our kids to be able to make it, there'll be more jobs throughout america, throughout maine and our second district. i'm the only candidate who has 35 years of real experience growing the economy and creating jobs. my opponents do not. >> moderator: all right. the second question is related to the first, and two of you have already touched on this a bit. we're going to start with you, blaine richardson. we're headed into another winter, and experts predict many businesses in maine will see a spike in their electric costs in part because of the limits on the natural gas supply lines. at the same time, many homes in maine still rely on home heating oil and will face monthly fuel bills this winter in the hundreds of dollars. what is your energy strategy to

help maine businesses compete and help maine people keep more money in their pockets? richardson: the energy strategy is clearly to get the federal government out of the energy policy. right now about 50% of our oil reserve is under control of federally-owned land, and there's really no constitutional provision for the federal government owning any property, will the alone -- let alone most of the western united states. having said that, oil has come down i believe it's about $80 a gallon -- excuse me, a barrel today which is good news. gas has come down approximately 20 cents. i don't know whether that trend will continue. the last week and a half the stock market has lost over a trillion dollars in value, but there are certainly things we can do; get the epa the heck out of the way of the pipeline from canada to the gulf of mexico.

we have pipelines everywhere. we have a fuel pipeline up to loring air force base. we need to start using these pipelines wiser. new england, unfortunately, is dependent on oil. however, a lot of people have been converting to propane and, of course, the mini split technology is incredible. but the problem we have in maine with energy and winters, we have the oldest housing stock in the country. and so we waste a lot of heat just living in these older homes. but clearly, getting the government out of the energy business. and right now the gas production and what not has increased because of private landownership in pennsylvania and all the early oil fields that were privately owned, they're all getting redrilled. north dakota.

the federal government's just in the way. >> moderator: all right. bruce poliquin, what is your energy strategy to help maine businesses and residents? poliquin: we need to make sure whatever we do, jennifer, is that we protect our environment. i remember when i was a kid growing up in oak lambed, if you fell -- oakland, if you fell in the river, you needed a tetanus shot. we have come an awfully long way to make sure we clean up our environment. we have to continue to go down that path, so whatever we do to grow businesses here maine, we have to make sure we offer that protection. i'm also of the belief that quality of life includes a paycheck, and we have to make sure we have balance between these two competing interests at times. i believe, first of all, we need to make sure that we increase the production of energy, all forms of energy here in america. clean natural gas, for example, here in america. a reason for that. if you increase the supply of that energy, you drive down the price. when you drive down the price,

you help our mills stay open. you help create more jobs. also it'll be less expensive for our families to heat their homes, less expensive to pay for their electric bills and less expensive to buy gasoline at the pump. now, my opponent, ms. cain, and i differ on this. ms. cain believes we should have a huge new carbon tax. when that happens, you will drive up the price of gasoline, drive up the price to pay your heating bills and also drive up the price of electricity. now, we've already seen here in maine in the past year three of our mills close because of the high cost of energy to run their machinery and equipment. so we just have a very different opinion on this. i also disagree with ms. cain who doesn't believe, to the best of my knowledge, that we should complete the keystone pipeline. this is something that's been going on for five years, jennifer. we have all the safeguards i believe we need. we should approve the keystone pipeline to make sure we're

getting some of our energy from friendly canada down the gulf coast where we can refine it, drive up the supply and drive down the price to help jobs being created. my opponent, ms. cain, has voted when she's been in the legislature almost 70% of the time against small businesses. now, small businesses are the backbone of our economy here in maine. so how can you vote against small businesses and want to represent them and their employees in congress? and part of small business success is lowering the price of energy. not making it go up, but lowering it. so we just disagree. it's nothing personal. and i think it's very important for the voters to understand our different opinions on this, our different views, my life experience professionally has been creating jobs for 35 years. my opponent has no experience creating jobs. that's not a personal attack, it's just a fact. so we need to make sure we focus on jobs for maine, jobs for our second district and not increase government spending.

it increased welfare, debt, taxes, energy costs which ms. cain has done repeatedly in the legislature because that'll only make washington worse and hurt our economy here in maine more. >> moderator: thank you. emily cain, what is your energy strategy to help maine buzzes and residents -- maine businesses? cain thank you, jennifer. it's absolutely okay to call me emily. that's what blaine calls me. it's great to be with you. the energy issue comes down to a few examples and stories. the other day i was walking my dog across the street talking with my neighbor and her mother, and her mother said i've decided i have to keep my house at 57 degrees this winter. all winter. because otherwise i won't be able to afford to fill the oil tank. think about that. 57 degrees for the whole winter in maine when it's -10 outside and the snow is blowing for a senior citizen to be home in

extra sweaters and extra blankets with the thermostat at 57 degrees. that's not okay. that's a tragedy. and i'm proud that over the last ten years it's stories like that and it's people who are going through those kinds of economic challenges that are top of my mind as i've worked on energy issues. i'm proud to have supported the regional greenhouse gas initiative, something that right now has saved maine businesses and families more than $250 million in energy costs. and when we think about where we're going as a state when it comes to energy, i think about the students i met a few weeks ago at northern maine community college. they're in the wind tech program. they want to be the guys who climb the towers and fix the windmills. i asked them why did they want to do that job, and one of them said to me, you know, besides i like to climb things that are really high, i like the idea of having a job right here in maine that's a good job that's also about clean, renewable energy. that's the kind of future we

need for our state. we need to make sure we're taking steps like i have and take real votes like i have to expand access to natural gas for right now. but we also need to make sure that for the long run we're investing in renewable resources right here in our state that will actually create jobs like offshore wind, tidal, solar, things that will make a difference in the long run. as a member of congress, my focus will be the same as it has been for the last ten years, and that's to lower the cost of numbering for maine families and businesses. i have the record that shows i can do that, and i have the skills to work across the aisle. >> moderator: bruce poliquin, the third question goes to you first. most provisions of the affordable care act, including the exchanges it created, have now within this place -- now been in place for almost a year. would you make changes to the affordable care act? and if so, what would they be? poliquin: yes, i would, gwener

if, thank you for having the question. first of all, there's been an unfortunate event that was announced today, i'm sure some of your viewers saw it. about 3300 of our fellow mainers will now be losing their health insurance policies because of obamacare. this is incredibly hurtful. we have a national affordable care act, obamacare as they call it, that is putting undue pressure and strain on our business communities and on our families. now, one of the issues that we're seeing under obamacare is that moms and dads who are responsible for taking care of their kids and making sure they make health care decisions for their kids and their aging parents are losing their health care plans like the 3300 that were announced today. now, these folks that are losing their health insurance are losing them through the small businesses that employ them. last year roughly 10,000 individuals who buy policies on their own lost their health insurance.

so it's just not fair, jennifer, when you have large corporations and unions that have been given waivers from the obamacare mandates, but you have small businesses and individualings in maine who are -- individuals in maine who are losing their health insurance as a result of that. and when they lose their health insurance, they also lose their doctor for the most part and sometimes the hospitals they can use. my son sam is asthmatic, and he was diagnosed with that when he was age 3. it is critically important for our family to make sure sammy was insured by our health insurance policy and also he had continuity with his pediatrician for about 12 years. it is just not fair that families are losing their doctors, their health insurance plans where other folks are receiving waivers. another example of this would be, would be, i think, make the point i'm trying to make. there's one of our terrific employers on the way to mdi called west mack.

they make high end boats. they're a terrific company with a backlog for their excellent product. i was talking to one of the owners, and they were about 45, 46 employees. and because of the backlog they have, they want to reach 85 employees in order to meet the demand of their customers and not lose their customers. in order to go from 45 to 85 employees, they would then come under the expensive mandates of obamacare, and it'd be too expensive for them, and they cannot get there. so there are parts of the affordable care act that are killing jobs. for example, once you reach that 50-worker threshold, you now have to apply or comply with those expensive mandates. if you work 30 hours or more per week, then you also come under the expense of obamacare mandates. so what are businesses doing? they're not hiring that 50th employee, and they're cutting back a lot of workers below 30 hours a week. that's wrong, and that's not fair. now, my opponent, ms. cain, she was responsible for implementing

on a commission in the legislature to implement obamacare in maine. beyond that she believes in a complete government takeover of our health care system. much more extreme than obamacare. this does not fit what's going on in maine. it's not right, it's hurtful to our families, it's killing jobs. so we need to change the parts of obamacare that are killing jobs and keep the things that work like making sure that folks can be insured for pre-existing conditions like sam with asthma. but i disagree with my opponent who just has a very extreme view of a government takeover of health care which is limiting moms that make the health care choices they want to make or moms and dads for their kids. >> moderator: all right. emily cain, would you change anything in the affordable care act, and if so, what would you change if you are elected to congress? cain: well, absolutely, let's start with the fact that the rollout of the affordable care act just over a year ago, about now a year ago, was a disaster.

and it caused a lot of frustration and a lot of people were infuriated and businesses around the state as they tried to navigate what was an overly complicated system. and that's what it comes down to. it's a complicated system, and it requires people who understand how to fix those kinds of problems. but what has congress been doing for the past few years to try to fix it? they've been voting to repeal it over and over and over again, something that consistently for the past several years bruce poliquin has advocated for when that's not really a solution. it requires our leaders who are willing to dig into those challenges, and i'll give you an example of where i've done that. two years ago i learned that under maine's health insurance laws, you could not be covered for your cancer treatments if you required your chemotherapy in the form of a pill rather than intravenously. this was costing maine families thousands and thousands of dollars a month, and we knew it, and every time the bill had come forward, it just was too hard to

get through. i spent two years working on that bill working with the families, working with the patients, working with the insurance companies to move it through the legislature. it took time. we could have just give given up, but that's not leadership to ignore those kinds of problems. and instead after two years of work, we passed that bill unanimously in committee. and this year on august 1st families that had been paying thousands of dollars -- and there's a woman in ellsworth that i met, her sister was paying $900 a month for the past two years to get her life-saving cancer treatment. on august 1st, it cost her $45 for the same month. that's life changing, that's life saving. and when it comes to the affordable care act, we absolutely have to go back to it and say it's clearly not working for small businesses the way it should, it's not working for large businesses the way it should, and we're afraid that the rates will go up for individualings. but in order to fix those problems, you have to have more than just talking points. you have to have experience

getting through those kinds of tough policies and working across the aisle to find solutions, and that's been my experience. >> moderator: blaine richardson, would you make changes to the affordable care act, and if so, what changes would you make? richardson: you bet i would. i would repeal it. as you heard from bruce poliquin, the devil's in the details. 2,000 pages that they told us you need to pass it to know what's in it. when the average income is $2 $21-$24,000 in the district, people aren't going to use news insurance policies. it's an absolute problem. it needs to be simple. if it was a good program, it would have gone off well, we wouldn't have had the computer problems, and they still have the computer problems.

unfortunately, we're not -- it's not on the radar screen anymore because of ebola and all these other world issues that are occurring, but this is a serious problem. it is going the take down our economy. and make no mistake, there is a real solution here, and it's private medical health care through insurance companies, the receiver, the provider. get state government out of the insurance business, get the federal government out of the insurance business and tort reform. everybody has their fingers in health care. you look at the insurance companies, they have billions of dollars in real estate which doesn't fix an asthmatic child. the whole thing just grew up, blew up and is out of control. but there's no way we want to go to a federal system. we can already see that, you know, they can't handle ebola, they can't run the irs, they can't keep nsa under control. the federal government is not the answer, and i sure don't

want them in charge of my health care. >> moderator: blaine richardson, thank you. and that concludes the first section of our debate. we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back. and welcome back to npbn's your vote 2014, second congressional district debate. this part of the debate, this next segment features your questions. these are questions submitted from members of the public, and we want to thank everyone when submitted questions. and we're going to start with emily cain. the first question is from sid in bangor. sid writes: i am a medical professional, and i am concerned about the ebola epidemic in africa and its speeding to other -- spreading to other countries. what should the government be doing to prevent the spread of ebola? why haven't the resources been used to develop a vaccine? ..

we need to make sure we stop the spread of ebola in its tracks and up the screenings at airports. it is the right thing to do to make sure we stop it now before it spreads and gets worse. is very scary and something i am keeping a close eye on. >> moderator: blaine richardson, what should the government be doing to stop the spread of ebola and why haven't resources and use to develop a vaccine? richardson: there is no leadership on this issue in the

country which should greatly concern every citizen. this is a deadly virus pleaded doesn't care who you are or how much money you have or what race you are, what station in life you are, it is 70% to 90% fatal and the federal government and the hospital medical system has resisted a strategy for this virus. interestingly enough osha wanted to push protocol for infectious diseases like ebola and there was a lot of push back from the hospital association's. i saw that on fox news today and i find that a little alarming. if nothing else a little elitist. it concerns me greatly. my mother had polio. she was one of two kids that had it and survived. the solution is not going to clearly come from the federal government. they have no protocol, the story

keeps changing. >> moderator: thank you. bruce poliquin, what should the government be doing this prevent the spread of the bullet? poliquin: this is a serious matter. i agree with my opponents. this is a deadly disease, a highly infectious and the administration has dropped the ball on this. my judgment at age 60 is a lot more mature than it was when i was in my mid 30s. we have some very serious issues we are facing in this country. when it comes to this disease i believe that we must absolutely stop the travel from west africa to where this -- these infected individuals are coming from. we must do everything we can to help some of ritter to q resist but also we must cure our borders. this becomes not only a national security issue, but also a health care issue and here's an example where i differ from emily cain.

she believes in amnesty for students that are here illegally, i don't. this is our country, we need to control our borders so we know who is coming in, not only a jobs issue but a public health issue and national-security issue and we disagree on that. i don't believe we should give amnesty to folks who are here illegally. >> moderator: please respond to that. cain: you got a personal attack just like we have seen in washington d.c.. i do not support amnesty. i never supported amnesty. i support the opportunity for kids who are not brought here by their parents by not their own nestle. the opportunity to take steps for service, earn citizenship and get an education to help the american dream. it is a serious question that should not devolve into personal attacks. >> moderator: our second question from the public, jane wright i am 91 years old and i don't know what i would do without social security.

i don't hear the candidates talking about ways they would work to protect this program that helps millions of americans just like me. how will they protect social security for future generations? richardson: first of all, i get to washington, rest assured we will find a way to fund social security for all the individuals that have paid into it. i want to be clear is not an entitlement for those individuals that paid into it. it is something they invested in and they have every expectation to have that promise met by the federal government. having said that, young generations, we need to find a strategy for them. i don't trust the federal government. clearly if they took the money out of the social security lock box. i have no reason to believe in the future if they will put the money back in. we need to develop a strategy, an investment strategy form that allows the individual to make a

savings account or a portfolio that will allow them to have control over it instead of the federal government. clearly congress has demonstrated they are not responsive will with their citizens's money and i can promise her that -- and the 16 thank you. jane, what would you tell her about her social security? poliquin: very good question. when i am in congress you will have someone who understands this issue very well and will protect your social security and medicare benefits. my mom is 86. two years ago she fell and broke her shoulder and she relies on medicare to help her out. she also relies on social security. we made a promise to his seniors, they paid into this system. we need to make sure there are no changes, no changes in your medicare or your social security benefit. you pay into this, you are counting on this and in congress i will protect you.

however we need to have a very serious, adult discussion with our younger generations. my son is 24. we need to save those programs, have those benefits down the road. we must make sure we do this. my opponent supports obamacare. obamacare has cut $760 billion from medicare to help fund the program. we can't trust you to do that. had to be trusted to make sure we protect social security? >> what is your answer to jane in farming and who is concerned about her social security? >> everyone deserves to retire with dignity and our state. we need to do more to strengthen and protect social security and medicare. when it comes to social security one of the best ways to strengthen it is by growing our economy. if we raise the minimum wage, something i am the only candidate who supports that we

will for billions of dollars into our social security system and if we achieve equal pay for equal work, when women in the second district right now are earning $0.78 on the dollar, by equal pay for equal work week and cut down the shortfall in social security by one third. when it comes to medicare we need to do common-sense things. when i was in the legislature we save medicaid $4 million a year by allowing generic drugs to be used. if medicare were allowed to negotiate prescription drug prices, we would be able to save billions. those are the common sense approaches i will bring to the table and i have the experience to get it done. >> moderator: third question from ron, he writes the united states trade representative is currently negotiating trade agreements with a large group of pacific rim nations as well as the european union. these agreements are being negotiated in secret but some

text has been leaked. would you support the investment provisions expected to be in these agreements that would allow foreign corporations to su national, state or local governments for passing legislation creating so-called barriers to trade such as environmental protection, certain labor laws or american provisions? poliquin: i don't know the details of what the gentleman is asking but having spent 35 years growing the economy and creating jobs it is incredibly important we have free trade. when it have farmers, no workers in central maine trying to sell their products overseas, you make sure those markets are open to them but we also need to make sure that we are competing on a level playing field. that means making sure our companies can compete and our workers can compete.

one of our companies produces blue berries in the cheri field area. they opened a new plant a short time ago but it is not in washington county. it is in canada in prince edward island. the reason is because their tax rate is 31% in canada but it would be 51% in maine. 20% difference does not create a level playing field. we need a level playing field with regulation, taxes and trade to make sure we remain competitive with the rest of the world. >> moderator: would you like me to repeat the question? cain: that is fine. we need fair trade deals that american workers first and protect american jobs and allow us to compete on a level playing field. the reality of the free trade that bruce poliquin supports means we have exported jobs and imported unemployment checks. i am tired of it. is not okay. negotiating these trade deals in secret is just code to make sure

they're not in the best interests of the american people and the american economy. i think it is wrong. we need to make sure there is more transparency in the process and when it comes to freedom of states to pass laws, i have stood up in particular on the kids safe product act which seeks to get toxic chemicals out of kids' toys, the toxic chemicals we can't even see or taste out of our water ran out of our environment. those are harming the health of mean children and families. we must be able to put a stop to them at the state level and the only way to do that is to stop exporting american jobs. >> moderator: last to blaine richardson. would you let me to repeat the question? richardson: no. i am incensed that it is being done in secret and that foreign entities would be given any preference under our constitution. clearly both parties, republican

and democrat party, known as a free trade agreements that we have and when we look around the main countryside that is where the jobs went. the free trade agreements didn't work in our favor and it killed main companies, killed them. they left, the canneries left, free trade never worked in our favor and the people who are making these secret agreements are the only ones who will not benefit. the main worker, the american worker, will not tolerate amnesty, 14 million people coming in, foreign entities are taking our jobs away. i can't stand it. the second district is dying as a result of free trade. >> moderator: this is another section of the debate where you all can ask each other a question. each of you will be able to ask

one question of either of your opponents. you have 20 seconds to ask the questions and keep it brief. one minute for an answer and a chance for a short rebuttal. emily cain is first. cain: bruce, it is well known and well documented that you own ten acres of oceanfront property worth $2 million of the coast of maine. it has been called one of the most valuable pieces of property in our state. in 2010 just before you became our state treasurer you bend the rules and used a tax loophole to pay $21 in property-tax is on that 10 acre oceanfront property. how do you explain that to the working men and women across the second district who right now are getting their property tax bills and are not sure how to afford to pay them? bruce poliquin my opponent is airing false allegations about my record when it comes to

taxes. i am in the real-estate business. i have been in the real-estate business longer than in the early has been in maine. i have real-estate properties throughout the state. i have always paid all of my taxes in full, always. the piece of property emily cain is talking about, i paid thousands of dollars in taxes and she knows it but you know what happens in these political campaigns which is unfortunate? i am trying to make contrast between emily cain's record and was i would do representing down in washington. what she does is levels personal attacks. that is what happens when you get career politicians. they don't defend their record which is killing jobs so they come after you personally so it is disingenuous and she should take those attack ads down. they are false. >> moderator: would you like to rebut that? cain: that is the fact. if we want to compare attack ads get this book online. it can go to your tv or airing

got another chance yvette the ads bruce poliquin has been airing against me have been called file and disingenuous. the truth of my record is i am the only one in this race who has voted and negotiated to lower taxes for mean people. to lower energy costs and make sure we make health care more affordable for our small businesses. those of our facts. i stand by my record and i am proud to have served the people of the state of maine ten years. poliquin: i want to make it clear to emily and her agents that i have always paid all of my taxes all the time in full. what you just heard from emily cain that i hope everyone in the second district is listening to is taking credit for reducing taxes. one of the things she says in one of her ads is during the governor's first budget in 2011 she negotiated the largest tax cut in state history. that is completely false. she negotiated against those tax cuts included in the budget and

she didn't have the votes and legislature passed the budget she came back publicly and said i hate those tax cuts. the issue is negotiating against them which included by the way 70,000, removed completely from the state income tax rules she negotiated against them and is trying to take credit for them because she is running for congress. the people of maine are sick and tired of this been. they want honest people. i think you should tell -- >> moderator: can you respond in a few seconds? cain: the difference is i was there. i was in the room at the state house late at night working on that exact budget. over the objections, very publicly, of my own party and my own caucus. it was a difficult budget and i am proud to have protected health care for 28,000 people in that budget while at the same time lowering taxes for middle-class families, lowering taxes on small businesses and the truth is i was there.

>> moderator: your chance to ask your opponent question. richardson: i am just curious, my last 15 years in maine, i built 11 custom homes and for sure sign a lot of paychecks on the front and created a lot of jobs, carpenter jobs, roofing jobs, foundation jobs. i am curious, you always talk about how many jobs you created. how many jobs have you created? poliquin: it depends -- richardson: how many jobs to be created? poliquin: i have been in the private sector creating jobs for 35 years. one software company i ran had 43 employees. one pension investment company had 85 employees, aviation business that i helped fund had dozen employees. it is very important that we recognize that the most important issue in our second district our jobs and the only individuals the has the record

of creating jobs here in the state and elsewhere, we need to make sure we get it right in washington because we are so tied to washington up here in maine. we need folks who are not career politicians. business people learn how to negotiate. they learn how to get the best deal they can and solve the problem and move on. career politicians like emily cain bigger point fingers and attack you when they don't like to disclose or talk about their record. we had enough of that washington. that is why we are in a mess. i want to go down to washington to represent the second district and help fix the mess. not become part of it. >> moderator: would you like to offer a rebuttal? richardson: i find that curiously you call emily cain a politician. i am not sure you want to refer to me as, but you are certainly a wall street insider and

contributed to the debacle and mess that required a huge national bailout and t.a.r.p. and you came back from new york with the spoils of the stock market. certainly not -- >> moderator: thank you. i need to move along. poliquin: i would like to answer that question. first of all, you see that my opponents including emily cain in her television ads are attacking hard work. i scrub toilets and doug su reminds to get through college and after college i started my 35 years in business. i am very proud of my hard work. one of the things, if i may, one of the things we all want for our kids is to be safe, healthy and happy and work hard and be successful. >> moderator: a question for your opponent? richardson: i was not in new york when the meltdown was there. i used my experience in new york

to come back to maine as state treasurer to address the most difficult fiscal problems the state has ever had so i reject that. is completely false. >> moderator: any questions for your opponent's? go ahead and ask emily. richardson: in 2009 you claim right now you have a record of cutting taxes. in 2009 you helped push through with no republican support a new sales tax on 102 items. it was so bad that the next year in 2010 the people of maine, at the voting booth repealed those new taxes, 102 new taxes going to the beauty parlor. >> moderator: what is your question? poliquin: how can you say you support cutting taxes when the tax cuts you pushed through in 2009 had to be repealed by the people who made them?

how can you say you cut taxes? that is just not true. cain: it is interesting. the at tax bruce poliquin is throwing my way destroying my record ignore the facts. in 2011 as house minority leader and not only worked with the governor on domestic violence and ethics, i worked for republicans in the legislation to balance the budget can lower the tax burden. lower the income tax, lower taxes for small businesses. a lot of bills come through the legislature and as someone who's been ten years doing this work i think will take a moment to address the question of being upper career politician, maine doesn't have career politicians. other states, new york, florida, they have them. in maine our entire state is built on people who show up to do public service, with the to the volunteer firefighter, in your library board, the land trust, or on those school board. all those voices are important to solving our problems. for me my record in the last ten years is clear. i have negotiated and voted to

lower taxes. i negotiated and balanced 24 bipartisan budgets and personally worked to cut one billion dollars. >> moderator: thirty-second for rebuttal. poliquin: here is a classic example of a career politician who always had a paycheck from the taxpayers, never created a job, now trying to reinvent herself and her record to run for congress. in 2009 when no republican support, she helped push through sales taxes on 102 separate items including car repairs and erica and movie tickets. the people of maine had to repeal it. last year in 2013 -- >> moderator: thanks. hour lightning round, yes or no questions. i will start with blaine richardson. the agree with a woman's right to choose has outlined by the reverse is wade decision? richardson: roe versus wade is the law of the land but my

personal conviction life begins at conception. poliquin: this is the law of the land. i am a pro-life catholic. i raised my son from the time he was in diapers and i am proud to make sure that i believe in life and i do. >> moderator: emily cain. cain: women should always make their own health care decisions. >> moderator: would you support raising fuel taxes to fund needed road and bridge repairs and improvements? richardson: no. >> moderator: we need yes or no answers. would you support raising fuel taxes to support infrastructure improvement? cain: it is not right approach right now. poliquin: no. >> moderator: should local law enforcement agencies use surveillance drones? cain: not without a warrant. richardson: no. poliquin: no. >> moderator: they believe climate change is in large part caused by man activities. richardson: no. it is the natural occurrence of the world.

poliquin: our temperature changes have been going on for a long time. man-made activity has something to do with the. we need a balanced approach. cain: yes. climate change is real. >> moderator: should the united states further reduce its number of military bases? richardson: we ought to look at all spending at the federal level. cain: yes. richardson: it needs to be steady. >> moderator: would you support allowing so-called tarzan's oil from canada to pass through a pipeline in maine for export? cain: no. we need to focus on renewable. richardson: yes i would. poliquin: this is the state and local issue, not a federal issue. we need to make sure we increase production. >> moderator: yes or no. elaine richardson do you support the u.s. decision to do airstrikes against isis? richardson: yes. poliquin: we need to do more than that. cain: yes i do.

>> moderator: emily cain do you support term limits for members of congress? cain: no i don't. richardson: yes. poliquin: absolutely. >> moderator: that is the end of the lightning round. we are moving on to closing statements. each candidate will have one minute to speak directly to the audience. we determined the order before the debate and bruce poliquin will go first. poliquin: this country is on the wrong path and everybody knows it. we have too many politicians in washington who have never created a job like my opponent emily cain. they wastefully spent our tax dollars, drive up the debt like $500 million hospital debt that was paid back in maine. may expand welfare to folks who are able-bodied instead of saving it for those who truly need it in texas to death to pay for it. to make matters worse is a bigger and point fingers and drive up the cost of energy so it costs more for your electric bills. put gas in your tank and more to

heat your homes. emily cain promotes the same extreme liberal policies as nancy pelosi. it doesn't fit maine. cheese too extreme for maine. i look forward to serving in congress. i will take my 35 years of business experience creating jobs and growing the economy to try to fix the mess in washington, not become part of it. i will work with republicans, democrats and independents, anybody to make sure we get it right. asked you to go to the polls, bring your parents. >> moderator: is blaine richardson 11's turn. richardson: as your representative of old every aspect of the constitution. i will do whatever it takes to work with any party to create opportunities and bring jobs to mean's second district. i will not compromise on our national security and i will answer all threats to this country. i will not compromise your gun rights. i will not squander your tax dollars.

in d.c. i will hold the values that define meters. independent people who believe in hard work, honest pay and know what it means to live within a budget. as you can see there are differences between me and the of the candidates tonight. emily cain is a young leader and brings ambition to the table but use and ambitions simply does not from life time of wisdom and prudence. bruce poliquin who you see the last three months our tax and his willingness to put civility aside for the sake of getting elected. those are certainly not values in the second district. i believe the communities of the second district need to be represented in congress by a person who will not put wall street first. >> moderator: thank you. richardson: will not put a political party first. >> moderator: emily cain has one minute exactly. cain: for the past ten years i have been a strong voice for main's middle-class and maine's values in our state legislature. mayors across the state and district get up every day and do the hard work to make tough

choices to support their families, small-business is and their communities. as you heard tonight there are clear differences in this race. i drop optimism, energy, mean values and a proven track record over the last ten years of working across the aisle with republicans, democrats and independents to face our state's toughest challenges and get those jobs done. i have done that to lower energy costs, to lower taxes and make sure we are protecting our seniors said they can retire with dignity in our state. the other choice in this race is someone who time and again is known for bending the rules and raiding the system to benefit himself. we had enough of that washington. quired leaders who know how to work across the aisle to bring main values to the table and stay there until they get the job done. and i am state senator emily cain and i am proud to ask for your vote on nov. fourth. >> moderator: thank you to all the candidates for taking part

in a. for broadcast times and more information on our candidates, go to ntbn.com. thank you for joining us. >> join us tuesday night on c-span for our live campaign 2014 election night coverage starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern, see who wins, who loses and which party will control congress. and engage with us on the e election results on twitter@c-span or at facebook.com/c-span. one of the raises we will focus on is iowa where democratic congressman bruce bayley is running against joni ernst. here's a look at one of there debate. >> moderator: they think the diversity we are seeing here and may be seeing in years to come is something to be embraced or something to be resisted and how

would you support that in congress? bailey:we it established english as the official language of the state of lime and a lead sponsor of english as the official language legislation in congress, when that moment comes we have an opportunity to pass that legislation. i hope we move that rubicon's a common language is the most powerful unifying force known to humanity throughout all history and it is a common language and the language of success and achievement. i just congratulated the man in the rest room who is an american citizen who arrived here from somalia. i have been a great cheerleader for illegal immigration and i congratulate all people who are here, citizens of choice to respect our laws. ernst:we are used in using hateful language when talking about immigration. he is not beating, doesn't have plans to fix the broken

immigration system-received his citizenship in iraq. he claims to be a meeting in congress but if you turn around for a moment you would see that. bayley: define hateful language. ernst most people heard his language talking about immigrants as a perceived national threat. that doesn't move the conversation forward. we have a broken immigration system in the country. i support the comprehensive immigration reform bill could pass the united states senate that would put an additional 20,000 troops on the border supported by the chamber of commerce and it would cut $1 trillion from our deficit over the coming decade. congressman king doesn't have any plans. king: i point out the answer to your question is is not the system that is broken.

it is the administration that refuses to enforce existing laws but i have brought a number of pieces of legislation forward that improve this system that we have. you have to enforce the law before you have an effective immigration system. i prefer building a fence along the southern border. not a full 2,000 miles but billed until they stop going around an end. i am the author of the most important piece of legislation we could pass and i generated the ideas and wrote the bill called the new it act. the elimination act which eliminates federal tax deductibility for wages that illegal, that shutdown the jobs and helps us secure our borders. these are ideas that all republican candidates have endorsed in the last presidential election. we will see if they will in iowa. >> moderator: governor perry of texas said building a wall is not a right approach and people who advocated advocate -- to understand the challenges we face. this is a 20th centuries solution to a 21st century

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this is the only debate governor cuomo agreed to participate in. from wnet tv, this runs an hour. >> from buffalo, new york it is election 14, the race for governor sponsored by the buffalo news, wned/wbfo, this is andrew cuomo, afterinow, and how we hawkins and michael mcdermott. support comes from verizon. >> moderator: verizon technology network we provide answers and communications solutions that will create a better tomorrow for our communities. we are proud to support this broadcast of the 2014 gubernatorial debate. >> now from the wned studios, here is debate moderator, news

director brian minor. [applause] >> thank you and welcome to all of you watching and listening across new york state. over the next hour we will learn more about four candidate for governor who are seeking your those on election day. let's meet the candidates. republican rob astorino seventy-second term as westchester county executive running on the conservative common core lines. democrat andrew cuomo became governor in 2011. he is running on the independent working families and women of quality lines. green party candidate hollyhock and this ran for governor and the same line in 2010. he is a longtime activist. libertarian party candidate michael mcdermott is a former real-estate broker and developer. ran for congress in 2012. welcome. the candidates will be taking questions from our panelists who you will meet in a moment and will answer video questions submitted from voters. here are the rules for a long time debate. each candidate will have one

minute to make an opening statement. questions from our panelists will alternate and each candidate will have one minute to answer. i bell will ring when the time has expired. follow-up questions will be bigoted given time constraints. 8 analyst as a follow-up each candidate will have 30 seconds to answer. video questions submitted by the is will be directed to all candidates who will have thirty-second to respond. at the end of the question and answer period each candidate will have one minute to make a closing statement. during the debate candidates are not permitted to use any prepared notes, visual aids or props. we ask the candidates to stay on topic and not interrupt one another. time limits will be enforced. the league of women voters will serve as timekeepers. the order of speakers was determined by a random draw. mr. cuomo, you have one minute for your opening statement. cuomo: let me think tonight's sponsors and the panel. my pleasure to be back in

buffalo once again. applause to all those people in buffalo who have done a great job turning the city around. the buffalo bills are here to stand they are winning. go bills and go buffalo. is my honor to serve as governor of the state of new york for the past four years a few remember where we were and look where we are now there is no doubt but that the state is better off and better in general. when we started four years ago the government wasn't even working. we now have the lowest taxes in 50 years, more jobs than we have ever had before and we have democrats and republicans working together again. the state is better because it is stronger, safer and more progressive. one of the options in this campaign, a conservative philosophy that disrespect women, minorities and immigrants and i reject that and i believe we should, we have more work to do but the hours are pointed in the right direction and let's

keep working together as one new york. >> moderator: you have one minute for your opening statement. hawkins: i have been an organizer in movements for peace, justice, labor and environment since 1960. i served in the marine corps, and working-class jobs on construction sites and loading docks, started successful small businesses including a worker's co-op that build solar energy efficiency upgrades for homes and businesses. i am running for governor to go to work for the 99% of us, the working class, middle class people who are overattacks, underserve, underpayton drug government bought by the richest 1 prison with their big campaign contributions. i am calling for a greener deal for new york that would guarantee everybody the right to a useful job, living wage, affordable health care, affordable housing and a good education. the centerpiece is to fight climate change by banning fracking and moving to 100% clean energy over the next 15

years. real solutions can't wait and i'm for real change. >> moderator: one minute for your opening statement. astorino: thank you. i am running for governor because new york is losing and we are losing bad the. we have the highest taxes in america, the worst business climate, the worst economic outlook, economic recovery is an anemic 0.7%, we have cities that are losing, poverty in buffalo was off the charts especially with children and we can't afford another four years and 400,000 people leaving the state under this gentleman's term. we are running because i need to cut taxes in a real way. the wall street journal says that will make as the most competitive in the northeast as get this economy moving again so people can go back to work. we also need term limits. one way we need term limits is to clean up the corruption of the andrew cuomo administration. we need to get rid of common core and replace it with better standards, produced in new york by aaron teachers and we need to

get rid of the unsafe act. right now the privilege and will connect a doing very well under andrew cuomo's term but the rest of us not so much. that is why representing. >> moderator: you have one minute for your opening statement. mcdermott: thank you. i am michael mcdermott, a libertarian candidate for governor and i want to thank everybody that sponsored this debate, especially want to give special thanks to governor cuomo for insisting that i'd be here. if not for him my probably would not be here. thank you, governor. i tell you that i am here to ask you to listen closely to what is said at this debate. don't listen to democrats or republicans. just listen as fellow new yorkers. we have got to get to the point that we can empower new yorkers to take their lives back, vote carefully and listen carefully. please listen to everything that is said and the libertarian

philosophy we espouse is one of individual liberty and freedom and strong adherence to the -- that is why we're here to do. thank you very much and look forward to the debate. >> first question from bob mccarthy, political reporter for the buffalo news for mr. mcdermott. >> good evening. this it would with a question on economic development. the two major candidates have outlined far different approaches to fostering economic development in new york. mr. cuomo has established targeted programs like the buffalo union instead of new york in which he claims successes and mr. astorino proposes lower taxes and less stringent regulatory climate will result in even more success. what is your take on that? look forward to what the other candidates have to say? >> moderator: one minute to respond. mcdermott: really good question. i had some experience with start of new york and i am not in favor of it.

the idea of bringing companies in with a 10 year tax rebate sounds good to me but i have tried with some companies i worked with and is very difficult to deal with. it doesn't include a lot that it needs to include. i am not a big fan of it. i have seen a lot of commercials lately, 2 did million dollars on commercials. it sounds good but it is not working that well. i like the economic development idea but i think we should do this as people of the state of new york, not as the government. as state representatives that are telling you what they're going to do, how they are going to do it hand not fulfilling those promises. >> moderator: mr. astorino, one minute. astorino: we basically have massive corporate welfare. $21 billion in tax credits to big corporations and billionaires' is happening now and here it is the scheme because andrew cuomo benefits from this tremendously, how he

built his $45 million war chest which he uses to attack me in negative and false advertising all over tv. the governor gives out tax credits, and a wink and a nod and in return gets very big checks from corporations and billionaires' for his big war chest. that is not economic development, that is bad economic policy. what we need in this state are not gimmicks, we need to actually reduce taxes to make as the most competitive in the northeast. that is what we will do. you know what the problems are. the problems are in albany. we have overregulation, massive tax is driving our middle class, small-business and big corporations out of the state and people are following them for a better state. we need to put that to an end and change the climate in the state. then we will do well. >> moderator: you have one minute. cuomo: rhetoric is fine, facts are better. our taxes on the middle state are the lowest they have been

since 1953. corporate taxes are back to the level of 1968. we just won and award from a business point of view we have gone from 25 to 4. from a conservative organization that studies taxes. we have brought down taxes and that has brought up jobs, 511,000 new jobs. this state has more jobs than it has ever had in the history of the state of new york. in terms of credibility, my friend mr. astorino when it comes to taxes, if you promise to point to some tax cuts, he guaranteed there would never be a downgrade and he promised they would not be the highest in taxes. after five years they are the number-1 taxed county in the united states of america. property taxes went up 8% and the county was downgraded. >> moderator: you have one minute. hawkins: trickle-down corporate

welfare doesn't trickle down to working people and small businesses. what we need is a bottom of full implement wage led economic development policy that raises demand and gives incentives to business to invest and hire. and i think the best way to do that is to commit to 100% clean energy over the next 15 years. we have a peer reviewed study at cornell stanford say we create 4 million jobs, middle income jobs in construction and manufacturing and cut electric wasted half and that is how you improve the business climate. don't use tax cuts after the profits are made and cut their profits. cut the cost of doing business would cut electric rates in half, take health care of the business but it by having a single payer system for the state and lower the property taxes by restoring the progressive taxes we had in the 1970s and revenue-sharing, local governments get eight times the amount they're getting now, lower property taxes and still pay for their schools and services so that is the way we get the economy moving in the right direction.

>> moderator: the next question is from karen dewitt of public state radio. >> mr. astorino, my question is on hydro fracking. what will happen with fracking in the next four years if you are elected and there is an ongoing health study. would you continue it in a publicly transparent manner? >> moderator: 60 seconds. astorino: and won't be politically paralyzed. 35 states have natural gas, 34 safely drilling and their economies are booming. let's look at pennsylvania, ohio, north dakota. we can do that in new york. president obama supports it, the epa said it is safe, so has the energy obama and interior department, senator schumer and children supported and so do many other democrats. we need to move forward with this. state democratic party chairman of the past once at 200,000 jobs could be created by hydro fracking. the b ec says 50,000 jobs. whatever it is for 641,000 new

yorkers who are still unemployed right now getting by on a second job, those that the jobs he pretends to have created, we need good jobs. this will lower our energy costs, bring back manufacturing, it will be great for our taxes because we will get a lot of revenue where we can cut taxes and put it back into education and is what we need to get people back to work. we would move forward in the first 90 days of my administration and protect the environment and public health. >> moderator: one minute response. cuomo: mr. hawkins is on my left today. he believes fracking is very dangerous. mr. astorino is on my right today and believes fracking is safe. i say i am not a scientist, let the scientists decide. is complicated, controversial, people have different opinions, academic studies come out all different ways. let the experts decide. i have asked the department of health and department of

environmental conservation give me your report. it is due at the end of the year. whenever the experts say is right, that is what i will do because frankly is too complicated for a layman. as far as mr. astorino's position when he goes upstate, sarah palin, drill baby drill. when he goes home to westchester, he passed a law that said fracking water, fracking waste water cannot be treated in his facilities or used on his roads. it is safe upstate, just not for his family. >> moderator: 60 seconds. hawkins: we should ban fracking because it is a danger to the climate, you burn gas and it heats up the planet. cohen and methane releases it does pollute the water and land. we know that from what we have seen in pennsylvania and around the country. 5% of fracking wells fail lesson is there drilled, 50% in 15 years according to a study of

41,000 wells drilled in southwest pennsylvania recently. mr. cuomo says he is waiting for the signs but when science came back from the geological survey the administration wanted to change the results, edited and delays. what is it? and then the study refers to is based on obsolete science. the state supplemental generic environmental impact statement is 6 years old and based on underlying environmental impact statements that 22 years old. this is a farce and governor cuomo should take a position before the elections of people will know where he stands. i will ban fracking. >> moderator: a one minute response. mcdermott: interesting question. i can tell you listening to these guys i don't know what the truth is. is it safe or not say? the truth is we have to be sure it is safe. i am not willing to take a risk to our ground water and our environment because it might be safe. we have to know if it is going to be safe. i understand the need for jobs and to bring in money but i

think governor cuomo, waiting for a report, is it a cop out? is tied for me to say but i can tell you as far as my stand on fracking i am against it until we can prove it is safe. is not worth the risk and there are other alternatives. you want to create jobs? there's something called industrial hemp. don't know what this is? look it up. it can be smoked but it can create jobs. it nestle for crops the year. it doesn't have -- it doesn't need pesticides. the cotton industry doesn't like it because you can have cheaper and better clothing. we can create a huge economy and jobs just by considering that option and nobody talks about it. the libertarian view.is you can do what you want with your own land unless it affects your own land. >> moderator: also on line is one gonzalez. his first question is for mr. cuomo. >> in 2013 you appointed a special panel to root out

corruption. you suddenly abolish your own panel, and press accounts pressure its members to squash certain investigations. manhattan u.s. attorney probing what happened. the dark stain of your first term. can you assure us your office never sought to interfere with the more than commission or any attorney-general investigations prompted by its or even the current federal probe? >> you have one minute. cuomo: thank you for bringing it up. there has been a lot of misinformation. we appointed a commission. i said to be chairman of the commission who happens to be the preeminent district attorney in the state of new york, happened to the republican chairman fitzpatrick, you may call the

decisions yes, people gave him advice in public hearings. my staff talked to him. he has repeatedly said he made all the decisions independently. he has been saying that for months in numerous meetings. there was no abrupt stopping. i wanted the commission to get a law passed. that is why i said to the legislature when you pass the law the commission will go way. they passed the law. it has an independent enforcement agency, redefined bribery, was applauded by the d as and we needed a new law so the d as could prosecute and that is what we produced. >> moderator: you have one minute. hawkins: i would read empaneled warren commission and let it follows through on the investigations it began and complement what the u.s. attorney is doing. to deal with the underlying problem of our pay to play

culture, big campaign contributions and legislators and in order to open the doors to get favors, and i favor a system of full public campaign financing where everybody makes a reasonable number of product contributions and get petitions done and people grants and have to participate in a series of public debates. you know who is running on 100% money, and in the legislature, partial public campaign financing we have a limited amount of campaign finance, that is the reform that doesn't reform, put the little public money on top of the old system that need to be changed. legislators should be banned from taking outside income. they should work full time for us as legislators and public servants. >> moderator: one minute. mcdermott: i see commercials from one side or the other

accusing democrats republicans of corruption. i think they're both right. i am tired of listening to it. tired of listening to this. somebody independent, who do you trust to have the answer. new yorkers are part of the process and have to decide who is corrupt or not corrupt. we better start doing it because i'm tired of negative ads and so much work to do. as governor i will make sure not only is there no correlation but the democrat or republicans where the solutions lie. the solutions are part of the problem, they are the problem. the solution lies in getting people involved in all this stuff. that is my firm belief that people have to be empowered to stat this themselves. >> moderator: you have 60 seconds.

astorino: andrew cuomo pretended to be the reformer who would clean up corruption in albany. he was right. right now he is swimming in the cesspool of corruption so much so the we have a state where only in new york candy anti-corruption commission be corrupted. a u.s. attorney who just today said albany is a corruption disaster. you are looking at andrew cuomo the rest of tonight, a person who very well may be indicted after this election day comes and goes for witness tampering, obstruction of justice, failure to report crimes. we have seen this before. it has to come to an end. i've left you tonight if you would talk to people directly, tell them. ruth, swear that neither you nor your staff has been subpoenaed by the u.s. is trey with regard to the warren commission scandal. that will take the record straight. >> moderator: you have a

follow-up question? >> to mr. cuomo first india this can respond also about the interview, in the interview, the only way an investigative body can get to the roots of the problem is if it is independent. mr. cuomo, the panel you set up, independent, do you believe a panel has to be independent to get to the root of the problem? >> moderator: each panelist has 30 seconds. cuomo: as far as what mr. astorino said it is truly an outrageous. the u.s. attorney he is now quoting said about mr. astorino it has given numerous false and misleading lies, order to give a videotaped statement for seven hours under oath, with penalty of perjury. when the u.s. attorney says you have done numerous false and misleading statements that is federal speak for you are lying. he has been charged with racketeering which is being

viewed by the man and d. a.. won't release is taxes. >> moderator: mr. cuomo, mr. hawkins, you have thirty-second. hawkins: mr. cuomo has said this panel is independence, it was a panel he created and could shut it down. there has been an inconsistency. you have to wonder why he shut it down. i hope the u.s. attorney is stalling through the investigation. >> moderator: thirty-second. mcdermott: i want to say i rest my case. here we go again. who knows what the answer is? i would like to believe our government officials are not corrupt and wants to represent the people. i didn't hear the interview because i've speeding along the highway from albany to buffalo to make the debate on time. i turned out to be the first one here. independents, absolutely. to decide that? we have to get the people back

into power. let the people come out. i want to represent the people. the libertarian platform is about people, the constitution, doing what is right and fair. >> moderator: mr. astorino, thirty-second. astorino: and democratic consultant for andrew cuomo said he would say anything and do anything including y. to get elected. you have heard tonight and seen it on tv with $21 million of completely negative and false ads. there's only one person here that has a criminal defense team, it is not me. it is andrew cuomo. ..