victories in the shenandoah valley then it's all over but up until that time there were possibilities. as long as lincoln is president and as long as he retains the support of the northern people the confederacy can't win but it's possible they can win if -- link it is not president. >> host: as a leader, as a president, would robert e. lee right when he said no man could have done better? >> guest: i think he was. consider the alternative. robert tombs, howell cobb. those were the two main competitors back in 1861 when he was chosen. >> host: they would have been far worse? >> guest: i think they would have been far worse. ..

>> >> that was after words booktv signature program in which doctors of the lead as nonfiction books are interviewed by journalists and others familiar with their material. airing every weekend to endicott p.m. saturday 12:00 and 9:00 p.m. sunday and

12:00 a.m. on monday. you can also watch online go to booktv.org to the upper right side of the page. >> nearly exactly seven and a half years ago this evening i stood on this stage and introduced a program featuring a new book by a pulitzer prize-winning journalist who had turned the focus of her reporting on a central figure of her life and looking inwardly and unflinchingly crafted a portrait of life and a

relationship that journalists appeared in conversation on this stage with the consummate professional with foyers and sophistication when the program was over i remarked that those in the audience had been witness to one of the best book programs that you could imagine an. it was lucinda franks the book under discussion was my father's secret war a and jews interviewed by dan rather tonight we reassemble the same winning team and welcome dan rather and lucinda franks back to the stage this time to mark the publication of her newest book "timeless" love, morganthau, and me" in commenting about of her memoir about her father i

spoke of the depth and honesty and compellingly human story and spoke of the absorbing whole told the book to economy with the gradual revelations it deep personal history. i would use the sabres to speak about her newest book one must admit it could be as tricky enterprise indeed to focus a professional reporters practice on the most intimate fears on one's own life and the lives of those most closest to her. managing to do this with a gift for narrative or a refreshing lack of self consciousness and a palpable devotion to the man she loves and to love her deeply the happens to be the former chairman whose name is above the door robert morganthau.

[applause] now i will confess in reading the book i learned more about bob morganthau than i ever thought i would in this evening and look forward to learning more about him through this book and we're pleased to welcome dan rather back to our stage as a correspondent and anchor and editor cbs news and with the generation of americans watching is cited but it is safe to say dan rather spend more time in my living room than any other person with the exception of

mail a family. these days he is managing editor of dan rather reports from access tv. i hope you will join me to help me to join to welcome lucinda franks and dan rather. [applause] >> 84 that warm introduction. we have a lot of goals this evening and one is to have fun talking about lucinda franks great new book but i would be remiss if you would agree if we don't pay our

respects to great robert morganthau use through every page of the book and a great warrior for freedom and democracy into theaters image can pacific during world war ii and a warrior for justice with a great district attorneys in the history of the country robert t. ted we pay our respects to you mr. district attorney. [applause] but this is lucinda night timeless. not only a very good read but a good book. it has been advertised as a love story but anybody

recognizes it is much more than that. it is a love story and about marriage, how to make a marriage work, but also about political history of new york city, of our united states of america, a terrorism, 9/11, a behind-the-scenes of what is really like to be a district attorney in pre-and post 9/11 era and it is all those things. having said that what you want "the reader" to take away from the book? >> guest: i think to me at the end of the book was most important was that bobby and i stuck together we did not

abandon each other with the month of arguments or a bad year turn our noses the other way. we kept reinventing things and in and of books we come across a man who totally changes our view of each other because he sees me as someone i knew when he first married me he took pictures of me and laughed at my jokes and made bob feel he was a young million dollar per cent. and after frankie left us and we met him in portugal portugal, we had a new with you of each other.

but to find ways to reinvent what you have. >> host: what was the worst day of the marriage? [laughter] >> guest: nobody gets through it of unscathed. i think one of the worst days was when i could not convince him that the cia had inadvertently been a composite with 9/11. i had done a lot of research i even found in my research a quotation from bob in "new york" magazine saying the ncaa and fbi have not cooperating with law-enforcement community

and if anything led to the 1983 bombing it was them. so when i confronted him he said i don't remember saying that. [laughter] he does not like to look back that is the maximum rate district attorney. and he had trouble keeping in his mind our intelligence agencies were in bet with terrorists that were there informants also committing crimes and bombings and whenever. so he finally did admitted but it took a long time for me to convince him that the research i had done was to the involvement of the intelligence.

>> host: the most surprising about the book was this area looking back fbi's co pay what they might have done could have done or should have done but and then what was the best day of the marriage? >> guest: after our first child was born, joshua, i found a way to stay in the hospital for one week. [laughter] because joshua had to stay for one week because he had a little bit of a jaundiced. i would come in every day with another nice wine he would come with pastries we

would have a feast. at first he did not want to take the baby it was very little and he was kind of scared to hold him. but i said i have to go in there for a minute can you hold josh? when i came out there relapsing and each other and rubbing noses. it was a magical time. >> host: i can imagine. who are you lucinda? who is a lucinda? >> guest: you tell me. [laughter] i guess who i have become is

a person with a life of her own with some modicum of success who likes to help people to do the right thing and met a man who also like his father and grandfather before him was determined to do the right thing in spite of the fact i was a radical hippie and he represented the establishment and everything i was dedicated to destroy a with the antiwar movement we came together in a way when you are caught by above there is nothing you can do and i tried to untangle my self wearying a man 30 years my

senior five children, two dogs, one cat, a house of riverdale i wish two's two's slipping on -- sleeping on floors and perching to gas marching and bob morganthau could have put me in jail. [laughter] teeseventeen manchin five children you write the families in the beginning receptive to your engagement how did you overcome that? >> guest: we did. it was very hard work on bob's part to had to walk a tight rope between his children, two of them were my age which does not make it very easy. [laughter] there is oedipus complex and

other things that make it difficult and we had gotten along very well until we announce the marriage but until then i moved into the realm of quasi enemy. we worked very hard his youngest daughter was 13 i could never replace her mother who died when she was nine but i tried to be there for her to be as helpful as i could and to time creates new things did we created a new blended family. >> host: but anyone who listens knows it could have gone the other way. instead of getting better it

got worse but is there one critical thing that happened that you think was decisive. >> guest: to bring us together? this is one small thing. when the old house that bob grew up bid that belonged to his father is a beautiful house of the apple orchard was sold and divided between bob his sister and brother brother, there had to be a division of the contents of the belongings who thinks everything belonged to them is very complex.

surprise. bob was busy that day and said will you go in my place? at first i was honored then i thought oh no. i am still an outlaw i'm claiming the of bedspread and his father's desk. when i went there i was assertive but not terribly except an old fashioned for lap drug the war in the rumble seat and a blonde to bob's father and i know his second son really loved the rug. i barter everything for their drug.

and when i gave it to bobby he was extremely touched and said to somebody else now i really know she is on our side. >> host: i can imagine how hopeful that was did he bring home the case -- the cases are the office with him? or did he sealock his public life? >> both. and it is hard to explain but it is pretty clear-cut

and bernard thought he was being attacked by a group of young african americans but the city was divided. but bob was stumped and looking over these kids just messing around. so we would play out the roles of the victims. we switch he was the victim and we would switch back and forth and this exercise

helped him to decide if he decided to indict four shooting be unarmed kids. >> host: what is the biggest misconception that people may have the misconception? about the to view being together? >> guest: in the beginning i did not realize this because i was radical with the antiwar protester my whole life was dedicated to that. the least i wanted to do in

the world was to have riches in and live daily jury is life. when bob and i fell in love which was counterintuitive like oxymoron. some people thought this is a fortune hunter, as somebody who once things later i was furious because it was exactly the opposite. i'm married bob in spite of his fame.

>> host: one of the highlights of the book was the conversation where the mayor interrupts an intimate moment. [laughter] so tell me he had a conversation about saying are any of my old friends involved? >> guest: we were playing in bet. in bet. his private line rang he immediately reached for it. how were you? know it is not too early.

then what he was saying that i could hear there was the so-called revolutionary shot a guard. and they were recommending the prosecutor go for the maximum penalty. in he said we will do what is right mr. mayer. thank you very much. goodbye. and i was afraid this was one of my friends. so i centcom who was this person? was he somebody i knew? of french? he said i don't know who your friends are. as we were new in the relationship.

and i said maybe there are mitigating circumstances like he is the idealist who just happened to commit violence because of capitalist hegemony. [laughter] and bob said nobody can tell you what to do you will do what is right. he said nobody but you. [laughter] i was coming right off the anti-war movement and i thought cooking was very boring offered to cut the a great he offered to pick up the bagel and i said i would make hash brownies and he laughed. i just happened some

leftover from my draft dodger boyfriend a jar full of green stuff he never asked what it was. so i thought i'd better throw that out i did not use it and he did not use it was not a good thing to have that the district attorney's house. [laughter] >> host: to put it lightly but when you got married was it an understandable request of what you should not do of appreciated the stopped smoking? >> we agreed not to step

over the line with each other's professions i would not write anything he was involved with. we also had the agreement that we would support each other the best way we could but bob was very laissez-faire the eve wanted to continue maurer securely he like to see my name in the front page of "the new york times" and is very supportive and i was supportive to brainstorm with him so naturally it worked out it was not two's

the cocktail party although i have learned how to dress he was very accepting. >> now it comes time to write a book. did you ask his permission? >> we were sitting in a very romantic restaurant. bob loves the food and was eating something he really loved. i think it was pork chops. [laughter] i have to feel a subject in order to write about it just like i felt my father and we were married 32 years i got

the sense of irony and a sense of distance to write about him objectively so i did not expect his reaction that i said, as we are? do you think i might be able to write a book about you and i? he said he think anybody would read it? [laughter] i said i think so as we are. he said given a try. so he probably would have let me write it without looking at it that my moral stand is he had to read every single draft more than once and he ended up doing

this and corrected common sand ; and really got into it a lot of people asked how did you remember? how could you know, what you said 20 years ago in greece looking at the statue of apollo? the answer is i have kept journals since i was in college and i have an auditory memory if i focus i can remember what people say so i can write things down in front of people. so he corrected some of my mistakes. i showed him the "journal" in and said it happened this way.

he said okay. fair enough. though we had a happy experience. >> host: he said this is true but i am not sure you should put in the book? >> guest: a few times. [laughter] so why didn't except for a few. [laughter] they were innocent. not cases or secrets but things that everybody does. >> host: but not everybody writes about its. did you worry? that people reading the book may say too much information?

with your intimate life and were you concerned? how do you balance that out with something you were comfortable with? >> guest: i never worried about it because writing a book is like being in an old car per goldstar and it costs when suddenly you cruise along and you write. afterwards in the editorial that you take things out i took quite a bit out but i thought some things are so amusing and interesting and roam the talked-about in one line that was totally innocent and not graphic i thought that is part of our marriage you cannot have a

book about marriage without mentioning some of the intimate details. >> host: what did you hold back? [laughter] >> guest: he is extremely excepting person but he would read a chapter and i would have to watch him at the end for a look a little muscle and then he had a book in his eyes and what don't you like? he says it is your memory. it is our memory what to do you like?

>> host: did you grant him veto power? >> guest: yes i did. definitely. no sense in writing a book which he did not approve of. sometimes i could talk can into leaving things and but anything he really did not want there's some things he got emotional about it out they came. >> host: with a personal or things about his work? >> personal. >> host: us talk about history because i imagine among the things the history of new york city how has

that changed? >> when we got married when bob was single he tells a story he had to walk down a dark street to get home he did not walk he ran because the crime was that rampant so there were hundreds of murders per year when he took office in because of the work of the police with complicated computer work the number of murders in manhattan per year were like four.

it is a much safer city i think. >> host: and for our country you have seen a change as i call on your skill as a reporter he won a pulitzer prize in your early 20s how has it changed? you talk about it in the book. >> one of the reasons bob and i came together politically when waiver on opposite sides of the offense is the culture did change with the extreme anti-war movement but what rose -- the roles that change the women and bob k.

into office with two women and left the office with 350. and for minorities opportunities have proliferated there is a gentle and kinder ease those two's the city that we did see after 9/11 and we still see now. you may not agree with me but after 9/11 people were hugging and crying and everybody knows what happened. but it just seems to me you could get a smile from somebody on the street. >> host: in the country came together in a way i

have not seen since world war ii. but i don't think anyone who was in new york at the time to go through any september without thinking about that and here we are september 14th. have you discussed it? to talk about it in terms of posttraumatic syndrome that had affected people that were survivors of 9/11. thaw and ptsd with soldiers from afghanistan and vietnam

and iraq. but we also began talking about the ptsd that's you do not think of. that is only 30 percent of suffers our soldiers coming back from the war. the rest are people like you and me to have the serial drama -- trauma and it closes them on the emotionally with the higher functioning people it closed above off in a number of ways. >> host: was going to ask you and i say this gently because i have been

corrected before so now they college disorder not syndrome anymore. but when this happened the district attorney's office was right on point with firefighters and police it touched you both personally? was in a factor in the office? >> it was amazing. when bob came home that night. late at 530. everybody came home early in the day. a big cloud had come from the explosion not far from his office and hovered

around the street in held in place and stopped when he came in the door and we just hugged each other. i had a different reaction a different way to cope than he did. he would talk about every act of heroism that he had seen. this is bob because he is glass half full always an optimist i was a little more circumspect in i started to do research for who was responsible for 9/11 in with the and coming to the cia

that they had informants during the bombing and informants to inform the informants. >> two's sadie yorkers that suffered ptsd the very few people want to talk about it for you passed it? >> i don't think so. he had a very rough time in world war ii his first destroyer was sunk. he was lord in the water watching his men go down not

able to save more than one or two. he then went on another destroyer where kamikazes peppered the destroyer and put a torpedo into it. very shortly after the war his father, his beloved father got sick and bob had to care for him and wanted to he was the only one of his siblings you did. then his much loved wife got cancer and have said terrible siege that bob was involved in her care. and then the plane crashed

with his mentor and i deal with judge patterson it killed him and bob was supposed to be on that plane. policies shocks made him go in word. that is what makes him a very successful man but also he is somebody who does not show his feelings sometimes hiding them from himself. also to be a very tender and loving and generous man to other people. >> host: b will have the 50 minute question and answer session. by your reaction was a journalist that we find out what happened.

so talk more what you found out about the events and the terrorism campaign that preceded that. >> began much earlier in afghanistan were refunded these guerrilla fighters helping the guerrilla fighters in afghanistan fight the rushers -- the russians without knowing the people that we were bringing in from saudi arabia and other arab countries were very anti-american. in their plan they even called themselves al qaeda in it was as soon as they were finished with the russians they would come to the united states and they had an open invitation from

the united states because from lenders and saudi arabia made a deal with the united states that if they gave all their terrorist to the united states to fight in afghanistan, the americans after words would bring them to the united states and make them citizens and support them and give them homes. but what the cia did not realize and all the intelligence agencies did not realize that they were helping to build al qaeda. there were branches of plunder to people in

missouri, mississippi, and at some point they all came together, a highly financed with what they made in afghanistan from the intelligence agencies and then further supported when they came to the united states. >> host: you write about this in the book i think people may be pleasantly surprised how much of this substantial information is in the book. robert morganthau has said repeatedly the fbi has a lot to answer for. >> guest: yes. i don't think the world trade center bombing in 1993 would have happened and i

think al qaeda would have been identified and broken up had the fbi not sequestered 14 boxes that they found in the house of the river up -- murder of the extremist from israel. the police and fbi put out the story that this was a loan than man -- ben mann they put it out almost surprisingly that these 14 boxes showed they had bombed materials with blueprints of the world trade center, tapes of the leaders

of al qaeda urging people to get the bombs to destroy america great world trade center. >> host: there are so many stories about one of my favorite maybe two-thirds of the way through is where our district attorney of new york did what we hoped the federal government would do to expose the laundering of money out of iran to buy weapons including weapons of mass destruction through a banking in great britain in despite repeated efforts to get the federal government involved than they did it then morganthau expose those cases.

but you obviously have had a lot of fun what was the most fun? the way we a joke and his dry sense of humor. and how it plays. our travel. our conversations. to this day we cannot shut up at restaurants. we're not two's silent people we are chattering away. >> host: we will move to the question and answer session quickly but i heard this story and i am checking with you if it is true.

everybody knows that when necessary he has stirred the exterior. but we also know he has a sense of humor. i told that one of his favorite stories is about one of his friends who is rafflesia is age 95? that the story that morganthau likes is his friend had a 95th birthday and some of his friends said they should give him something special. not baba but they took up a collection with they hired a playboy. [laughter] to dress and a nice costumes to go to the door of his

rent when he opened the door she said i am here to give you super sex and he said i will take the suit and -- soup. [laughter] >> host: now was a good time to move to question and answer. [applause] there are microphones available in both ideals we have lights in our eyes we cannot see you. it is important to hold the microphone close it is being recorded for television.

make sure it is close enough to hear you clearly. >> it is quite remarkable i did not know about the cover-up of the fbi of the documents with al qaeda. but my question is what was the motivation for doing such an amazingly stupid thing? furthermore even though there is no major attack comedies think it is significantly safer now than we were before 9/11? now they are communicating transparently with each other. >> guest: the first part is how did the fbi to be so

stupid or so corrupt as to not identified the conspiracy? they told bob and his office they did not have an arabic translator therefore they could not translate the boxes. however they would not give them to his office that was prosecuting the case so a little investigation on bob's part and on my part shows the fbi and cia have a number of informers people keeping them apprised what al qaeda was during -- doing

but al qaeda was informing. that was the reason from what we've understand the fbi and cia wanted to keep this terrorist conspiracy under wraps. also the cia tried to stop bob from investigating the bank of credit and commerce case also called the banks of crooks and criminals international. [laughter] because the cia was paying the terrorist informants from the money laundered from what he was investigating that is part of the answer. >> how can you tell the

difference with television news? i am not a politically savvy person. >> guest: you are right on the many. but first of all, television used to be very reliable investigative in really n major information gathering time in the country when dan

was there. now it is just recycled with terrible crime stories this save the things in iraq. there are very few investigative reporters so i think you have to judge the people that are writing the story and learn to recognize who were those you can trust like thomas friedman in "the new york times" he was always completely trustworthy. when he wrote about the middle east. just thinking you have to go to the source to be your own

judge what is real and what is not. >> host: the next question is over here. >> what major news gathering organizations have walked into more packages with the difference between a worldwide news gathering organization the packages that what is today? >> guest: can i just tech something non? turned to access tv you will

find investigative reporting by the and which is amazing. like the fact the muslim community a large part of it was against the united states while before we invaded iraq. . .

we had a dinner party in which ariel sharon was there and arthur gelb and barbara gelb were there.

arthur passed away and was very left-wing. barbara is very left-wing and sharon had just invaded lebanon and was not very popular anywhere particularly in the united states. and they had such an argument. i was just itching to listen and write at the same time. so i kind of did it surreptitiously because they were so involved with themselv themselves. and i'm not sure i got everything, but when situations are like that, you have to be very creative to record them. >> let's take the gentleman here in the middle.

thank you. >> my name is john doyle and i was an assistant u.s. attorney at the office in the u.s. and in fact i was assigned to prosecute cases against the weather underground so i was one of the enemies. you and your friends, you talked about, this is before you met bob. you talked about you and your friends being on one side and key being on the other. my question is, in your community or among your friends send you personally, were you aware of the work that bob was doing with regard to white-collar crime, securities fraud, organized crime, official

corruption, tax evasion, swiss banks. [laughter] all of the things that he did that were pioneering as u.s. attorney that this is before you met him. my question is was there a balance in your view of him during that. lack of time? >> absolutely not. i mean the antiwar movement in the cultural revolution really had no use for anybody over 30. [laughter] all of them were just deluded by the vietnam war. when i married bob or when i was really dating bob, i was astounded by how he change the system by working under the radar and sometimes over the radar when he stretched his you know elastic arms into

international countries to try to stop money laundering and stop drugs terrorists and when i found this out, and i also found out that he had at a certain point refused the orders of ramsay clark who was the u.s. attorney then to prosecute draft dodgers and so he didn't even do what we were accusing people like him of doing. so it was a very deluded generation although a very idealistic generation that did change things. and i think when i found out that bob could work this way, it's what really made me change my view about the cultural

revolution. >> i think we have time for perhaps one more question. i see you there so yours will be the last question. >> thank you very much. thank you both very much and thank you for a marvelous book. to what degree is morgenthau involved and what effect did it have and is a still involve you and in what ways? >> yes, i identify very much with bob's passion to build this museum because his father tried to save as many jewish as he possibly could during world war ii and in a