hang goldwater around his neck, make reagan into the reincarnations of goldwater. they tried that strategy and they tried that strategy and it doesn't work. finally, they sent out humphrey to try and save pat brown in the fall of 1966, he makes a case against reagan once again as this man who wants to end government programs and really that's what's missing the point is that's not for a lot of people in california that scary of an idea. >> two more questions. >> that was an op-ed piece of you days ago in "the new york times" by a boston university professor with a book coming out in early 1915, if i recall. the contending is that reagan should be returned to history and the republican party

returned to the principles of lincoln, theodore roosevelt and even eisenhower. over all, what is your view as to whether reagan's legacy both during his presidency and afterwards has either affected the nation positively or negatively? >> i think that reagan's, the legacy of the reagan's presidency when you think about it, the best case that you can make for the reagan presidency is the sort of restoration of confidence and the idea of national greatness which a lot of people think is inherently a part of american identity, which he does so well in the '80s. and then this sort of single-minded focus on ending the cold war, which he does. so i think, i personally think that you is problematic in many ways but i can see the wisdom of the. i think the problem with the reagan presidency is in many

ways it starts on the first day. it's with the famous line in our present crisis government is not the solution to our problems. government is the problem. that idea, which again i see us such a departure from the consensus sensibility of government that is dedicated to solving people's problems, even as flawed as government might be, is what i think does a lot along with, that, the popular of that notion and then the public association that that is what made reagan successful is what has done a lot to undermine our faith in government today. i think it's also really hurt the republican party because again will we see is the republican party is able to make electoral inroads in certain elections when there's a strong antigovernment mood in the country, like 1924 or 2010 and

maybe like this year, appears like it's going to be. but what they're not able to do a sustained because there's no pressure on them to turn around at present a positive government agenda and people want government to do things. so i think that resiliency of that reagan message has in many ways harmed the country and certainly hard the republicans. >> people forget the first word in that come in our present moment that government is the problem and not the solution to everybody lops that offer than you can say i'm a reaganite and government is here to help us to what no one ever says that on the right. no, or almost never. so one more question. >> think of yourself as the beginning of something new, right? then i will ask one.

here we are talking about an election today, and we're going to see another one in 2016, and how many in the room will remember which modern president barack obama session daemon which one is it? he said it was ronald reagan. so where does the republican party look in 2016? i mean, you've made a very strong point and i think some of our questioners have, too, that much of the message, at least as it's been espoused and embraced, seem outmoded or irrelevant or maybe injuries in some way. so how do we get a republican party of lincoln? if such a thing even, or of dwight eisenhower. spent the last truly popular president. is it possible thing you or does republican party have to find a new set of heroes, a new set of ideas? >> you know, we hear a lot this

notion that ronald reagan couldn't get elected if he ran in today's republican party. which is the speed you mean he wouldn't get the nomination from republican? >> because he's not conservative enough is the implication, and that's an appealing idea. to me i don't really believe that because gets back to the idea of reagan have strong principles that he believed in on big issues, and then he was really infinitely adaptable on everything else. sso breaking if he were running in today's republican party i think would figure out where he needed to be, but he would also be asking that same question that is asking in 1964 and in 1966, which is how do i get the republican nomination and talk to republicans in a way that is not going to alienate the rest of the country? aunties able to do that so effectively in the '60s because he has a deep confidence in himself and his conservatism. so i think one way that a

conservative candidate could help us to emerge and to save the party from some of its problems is to me are some of the conference, to the say to the people who come after them with litmus test and proving their passion everything single cost to the right now i'm not going to sign a little pledges and didn't have the right to explain to me what a conservative is. i know what a conservative is to our passionate concert is still in a proble public park who belt is a noble tradition, who can have opinions on a myriad of different issues. and i think if they country saw someone with a passion and that sort of ingenuity emerged and do that in a compelling fashion in the 2016 election, that's someone who could have appealed to a lot of voters be on just the republican party. >> thanks so much. and thanks to all of you. [applause]

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