let me say in. the tpp strategy was designed to incentivize a growing group of asia-pacific economies to join this updated rules-based system, 21st century rules-based system and it is actually worked in the sense that it started with five countries and its now 12. when japan joined china immediately took a renewed interest in tpp. they have been looking at tpp is a former containment or exclusion trying to attempt to exclude china from regional economic affairs. when japan joined china understood this was a strategy of trying to draw china and others into this global rules-based order in the respect say that is while i agree with ernie do we need a broader framing because it's not just about tpp the recent tpp is so important is that it is designed to pull people into this higher

standard system. it's just absolutely critical as they trade in broader economic strategy in asia. >> we will go to julian and howard. >> thanks, julie pace with me. i want to follow up on something or he said about g being less accommodating. can you give us any ideas why any ideas why that is an administration thinking on this given they invested a lot of time and emphasis on having obama and biden in particular build a personal relationship with him? >> one of the fundamental conceptual flaws of the pivot has been a failure to assess the nature of china's behavior in asia. i think there have been different views within the administration. until recently there was a strong view that much of china's

assertive behavior in the east china sea and south china sea were driven by domestic pressures and nationalism by japan and vietnam provoking china. there has been another view by the pentagon which is that this is in fact part of a chinese strategy if you will to steadily assert more and more control over the so-called first island chain that stretches from japan. to do that first by denying and complicated u.s. access and then asserting control. ..

>> he is interested in the marxist dialectic and sees this overtime. and there are those in asia, across a asia, there are senior officials that frankly -- they see a certain distraction and weakness in washington and they see a window of opportunity. before they get hillary clinton

or others, a republican in 2017. so that is hard to prove, but it has been a hypothesis that i have heard in a number of asian capitals. and the bottom line is that there's going to be more tension with china over the next few years and it's a downward spiral and it will be at a time when the administration has a lot more coming on. >> thank you. i'm from the christian science monitor. particularly on the u.s. and japan is a trade access agreement and i thought i heard a little discrepancies and we talked about this being quite

close and am wondering i'm wondering where that is, actually, and maybe how use the the midterm election result and how influencing, you know, whether or not the president gets this. >> frosty but close. these negotiations are very hard and complex. and different ews on these issues with these capacities. and with the u.s. and japan you have a long history in a lot of baggage on trade relations that have to be cut through to get this done. and so all of that is leading to a strained situation, including the bilateral ones between the u.s. and japan. without being bad, all of them have a very strong interest in getting this done and i think that that ultimately gets cut

through with what feelings people have in terms of interest and everyone wants to get this done and certainly the u.s. and japan wants to get this done and they are close. and that includes political impetus and that leads to the second part of your question and it is time for them to move and i am encouraged by the early indications, as i said, of the republican leadership that they are ready to work on moving forward and i think that that must have been and as a

technical matter it will have to be passed only five minutes before it's put in front of the congress because you can't have this being nickeled and dimed and it has to happen and the sooner the better. >> last week in tokyo i heard from senior trade negotiators that these are the worst dynamics the 1980s that they can't stand each other and that the tension in the room is palpable and i said oh, just like right before we finish it. and so in that sense it's more of the same. but it's really blocking this. and it probably has a bigger economic situation, it's nevertheless stuck internally because of questions as to whether the president can deliver this. that's based on history of how we have done those deals and observation of how things have gone after the next six years.

so these rays of hope on friday, sadly we we will be stuck 5 yards from the end zone hassan rouhani stop for a soundbite here, it's always noisiest before the dawn in trade agreements, so when i hear this, it shows the two sides are getting close to the difficult political compromises that will have to be made and so i actually think that there is a specific. >> we mentioned that they have some 20 countries already and according to recent reports considering to join us, it talks

about how likely we have this position because it has already gained a lot of support until under what these conditions might you have considered it. >> i think that that is possible is a matter of administration policy and i might even say the that is ultimately as this institution gets up and running and as a practical matter for me to say that the united states cannot join us and congress is not willing to do the things to enable that. if they can't have this, which is a minor change with a minor budget hit, do you think that they will approve this for a web bank in china? i don't think so. so that being said to answer your question, i think that like

the united states korea and australia have their own concerns about the way this institution was part of this. and that is going to be divided up into how this has been said. it will be debt sustainability standards and is there going to be and whether or not they will have a favorite supplier. so there are a bunch that are legitimate questions that countries, thinking about joining this institution need to work through with china and china needs to explain those things and they need to make

sure that this can work effectively and they need to clarify how those operational questions are going to be following through. so i think that this -- i'm not sure whether they are going to join this argument in both countries, that it would enable them to work within the bank and shape those issues but there's also an argument that once her and it's hard to change the dynamic in the bank will be based in beijing with 37% chinese capital, i think that's the target. this will be hard for them to really change things. >> we have time for one more question. >> just a quick one for me. i just want to ask what your expectations might be on

wednesday. will be expect something good from that? >> not much came out that the most important part of the investment treaty, i'm not sure if they will say something positive about it and now we know better to actually announce a significant landmark rather than completion. in a nation's negotiators put this together on the ttp. some have criticized that. the secretary, john kerry, he previewed an agreement on co2 emissions and the environment that will be of some significance and announced an apostate to possibility of this. and then some agreements and

things like this. but i think that i do not expect a large framing agreement and in 2009 they issued a statement where each side would respect each other's core interests and it was sort of an effort to do that again and has sort of fallen apart and i know that the secretary used that phrase yesterday and i suspect that he will be wary of some effort with the communiqués and things like that. and i'm sure that he will on the east china sea, trying to find positive examples of cooperations and so you will

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this is the 60 or sixth year and our biggest year yet and we have more people attending and we are here for the first time, and this is the first year that we have two stages running. this morning we are filled with fascinating people from inside and outside of washington and they all have something in common. they are at the forefront of the field changing the world that we live in and the way we see our lives. we have the secretary of state and the ceo from whole foods and yelp and so many others. downstairs on our foreign stage, we have what we are calling a deep dive, more intimate room for conversation and we think of it as an innovator stage. and that includes right here in washington dc and we thought he would check about that as well. before we check things off, none of this would be possible

without the support of our underwriters. we have comcast, nbc universal, supporting the national council and all state and mckinsey is her knowledge partner. and with that, i would like to say that there are true masterminds behind this forum and that includes the program editorial director and the editor at large, leading us through the morning and we are here to get started with a special tribute. thank you all for coming. [applause] >> last week we saw the passing of ben bradlee, he dominated journalism and it was a great send off. from the opening eulogy whose

family owned the post to the prelude. two of the journalists who worked alongside him dissipated in yesterday's ritual and are here with us this morning. the former publisher and president of the post and those that pioneered the same style section of "the washington post" and mentored his wife, sally quinn. [applause] >> delighted to be here and we transformed this post and he was truly a role model for at least a generation or two of

journalists who want to improve in their communities. his community happen to be washington dc and he went right to work on improving the whole thing. and this includes foreign policy, which people don't talk about very much in retrospect, and he brought in a whole slew of reporters and that includes george wilson and by the time the pentagon papers were rolled around, he turned the post into an aggressive newspaper that tried to do as much as he could, he brought in people like david leventhal, making it more about that and probably the hardest section in the paper to run.

he created a great situation and he didn't mind having criticism, my role would have to be this end he said it's very busy, it was exciting and in some ways he was always pushing for a good story, always pushing for a good story, but is a very decent man and he tried to be fair, care a lot about people's privacy, he cared about security and the one of the stories to be in context and when he got something wrong, he knew and he trusted people and it could sometimes backfire. but there was never a single thing discovered about that but

didn't come from his own editors cleared out the truth or from those who wrote about it and it had to do with how he never passed the buck on anything. he stood behind his reporters after years of vindication and he had set up this business the best that he could. and it did straighten out this and it was just something that made it successful. and that includes having a great owner and publisher who did

fully support them and just let him in every way, as the people that work for him. so much fun, he exuded such magnetism that you couldn't help but be inspired. he had a tough and gravelly voice, he had such a huge affection for all the people that worked for him and he had become a manager and he ran out to the pacific in the middle of world war ii, having graduated from college and he was a junior lieutenant officer on a destroyer in the pacific for three years. he gets this easy management style and he got the big things done and he was that way throughout his career at the post. what made it hard for him is

that he did believe in public relations people and he didn't believe in marketing people either. so in one case one former president complained and before i could even get downstairs to talk to him, he had said what am i supposed to do? run up and down pennsylvania avenue. [laughter] >> let me interject from the standpoint of an editor and a reporter, then hired me into this business and one of the great things about working with him and coming up the ranks is that you knew you had an alliance. and that would be giving the wonderful barrish bouts of them. and i do remember that one of our reporters in the style section went out with the

subject of a very rude remark with prominent guy and then went in and called him up in the presence of the editors and said you are on my list. don't ever talk that way to our reporters. and so whether you are at the top of the heat or the bottom of the heap, he knew that washington was, in many ways, essentially a theater town. and he loved to puncture the hypotheses of the creature that preached firebreathing faith and then suddenly were in the garb of another. and what he asked us to do is to have impact. and he celebrated the victory and that would give one executive lesson, an executive pronoun. and i was a young editor for the

magazine and he called up on saturday and said we one the national magazine award today. [laughter] and some of you may remember jeane dixon and he had written a memoir and they had changed between the manuscript and the published version, the lawyer in california it was an outside counsel and they were going to get this flying over to london.

and so how'd how did it get settled? well, this is a wonderful washington idea forum. and it turned out that the taxes were being done by another part of the firm and she was down there on christmas eve getting the taxes done and coming out of his office, sees jean and says, it's christmas eve, we are good catholics, can't we settle this. and so we had the biggest lawsuit that we ever got that got settled in the back corridors of washington. and one thing that is a little bit overlooked now was the rebel status of ben bradlee in the early days, he's now a lionized

figure it of history and he pressed investigative reporting on the pentagon papers and also what he wanted in the style section was impact of a different choice to show the private lives of april in the town and to explain them. and he also was a tough guy and i will tell you one anecdote. mary followed me as style editor and she read a memo which she got saying dear mary, on my first day in my job at "the washington post", i misspelled the name of philip graham, his first name. today we misspell the name of katharine graham. two times in one career is enough.

[laughter] >> i will let you finish up. >> sure. almost as long as he has been executive editor and he kept wanting to get people to keep in touch with him and learn from him during all the rest of those years. >> we really love the guy and i will leave you with one of his classic statements and occasionally when we would be dealing with this, the wisdom of the age cries out. we are now not silent. thank you all. >> thank you very much. >> how is everyone doing this morning? all just out. okay, let's see what we have up here. i am up next.

in this country a large population of people do not receive proper treatment, a matter that debbie stabenow and others take extraordinarily seriously. she wants to see mental health given as best attention as possible. this includes the excellent and mental health, which was signed by the president, expanding access to community health services and providing more money for research and treatment. she joins me today via skype to talk about all of this. it's great to have you, senator. i should also say that it's always good to have someone in, but how many of you have grandkids? can you raise your hand? you know, i don't know if your grandchild is here yet, but it's imminent, and so i really thank you for taking this time and thank you and congratulations in advance on the forthcoming grandchild. >> well, thank you so much.

i'm very passionate about the subject and when it comes to grandchildren. he's not here yet, but it will be soon. >> that is great. one of the things that i feel is useful to highlight is that now and then something useful comes out of congress. it is rare, but the idea behind washington is that it's a great idea outside of this to show what is possible. do you cook up something with roy blunt. why did you do it and what are the zingers that you want to show us about what the bill does? >> first of all, i'm grateful to be a part of two things and as you know there's a five-year farm bill that we got done and on a separate know what we got to talking about today is the

expansion of funding and services and so the senator was my partner and i have to say that we attach this to short-term funding, will follow congress know that funding for this is temporarily extended. and they said nothing could be added. and this includes the chairs and the ranking members in the house and the senate, and what we have done is higher a project at will designate states that will develop more comprehensive substance-abuse services and why

does that matter? well, right now we have been paid for the services that we provide adequately. and the communities are woefully underfunded. when we talk about this and how it goes with the same premiums in the same things, we work very hard and brought together a huge coalition so that we can make this a priority including needing help in the community. and so we need people have family. >> let me just jump in there for a minute. you will be getting to walk

through some of the human dimensions of this. and this includes my editorial less friendly question despite this legislation passing, why when it comes to mental health are the steps that have been taken so small? he passed something, but it's not a huge bill. and there are things and people are getting trained and certified. but when you really put it on this, it is a nice and earnest thing and there are problems everywhere. we are currently dealing with it in this way. >> there's been a misunderstanding for years, we

treat diseases we want people to lead productive lives. and we can do the same thing. and that includes medication and therapy and they can go on with their life, but it takes an understanding for us to be able to do that and it takes changing the system to treat all kinds of elitist the same way. and my father, when i was growing up, he was bipolar and he was in and out of the hospital and finally when i was in college we had discovered a

new drug called lithium, we got medication and went on. we can do that today. we just need to understand and be serious about it. >> i would be interested today that tim cook, the ceo of apple, acknowledge acknowledged coakley that he was gay and this reminds me of everyone who is gay, please come out, reach out to friends and parents and neighbors. we need something like with people who have challenges and are in environments where they feel more comfortable talking about my father, my brother, my sister, mice elf, to come out in a way to get a larger footprint of action, if you will? >> that is a really good point and it makes the difference when i talk about my dad and family members area and i want to give a shout out [inaudible] who joined me two different times in washington and she has

brought her wonderful sister jessie and their powerful stories made a huge difference to us. one out of four adults will have some kind of mental illness and we need to stop the stigma and understand it. it is a disease or a series of diseases and we just have to make sure that people get the help and support that they need. >> i mentioned this, will this be part of your legislative agenda in the next congress to enact. >> absolutely, there's a series of things that tom harkin has chaired and put together in this includes senator al franken who has been involved in that

includes education for teachers and law enforcement officials and the whole effort in the nih would we are actually focusing on this or we research the organs in our bodies that have as much if not more impact and we are really finally doing the kind of research that we need to do. not just on mental illness but part-timers, will range of things that we can find cures for if we are willing to do the research necessary. >> the other day i was in boston i asked senator ed markey in a conversation when he would do if he weren't running for senator but president and i was wondering what he would say. he didn't miss a beat amount which makes one wonder what his intentions could be. but he said that i would have a

conversation on a bipartisan basis and i would triple the budget. because of a broad set of issues like this and am wondering whether that focus is part of the basic research and is something that you feel that you need financial support and what would you be willing to give up in terms of its? >> i missed the last part about. but what i do? well, i think that the matter is of making sure that we can have a tax system that stops by shipping jobs overseas and i would put that into the national institute of health and the reality is from $8 standpoint, lives and money is the best

investment that we could be making in the national institute of health. but one out of five medicare dollars go to someone with alzheimer's and we are so slow in so many areas and that is why it impacts this. you don't see everyday. but we have tremendous impact on our lives and the nih is at the top of the list. >> thank you so much for spending time ensuring us these thoughts. lisa koman, debbie stabenow. [applause] >> thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you, senator, now it is my pleasure to introduce houston mayor annise parker.

the first openly lesbian mayor of in a major american city, there are only 10 women over these populations that she got attention for her stewardship as the comprehensive equal rights ordinance, which includes this and she found herself in the headlines recently that her daughter was denied a driver's license because her document listed two mothers. the contributing editor is here to talk about all of this. a queue. >> thank you. it's good to be here, mayor. i want to start with the equal rights ordinance which produces a lot of controversy and some national public commentators. and it prevents discrimination based on other criteria.

so what did you learn about that in this type of environment? >> i talked about this back in the 70s and what i was reminded of his a lot of the things i went through back then that i was going through again and the world has changed profoundly for decades. so we were really late. we had no ordinances and so we were doing what most cities were doing and we were doing an existing ordinance and we started from scratch and they said that we had an inclusive organization and all of those who are covered by federal statutes as well as those that

were able to do it in a way that were able to make it happen. >> you have a prediction about when you think that texas will allow gay marriage? >> certainly in my lifetime, and my life partner and i got married last january, we been up to california and i had hope that i could still be legal in the state of texas. so hopefully it will be put through. >> you see a significant shift or do you feel like the resistance is still there? >> the dominoes are falling one after another and they're all falling in the same direction and it was a battle still left

fight. >> i know you have a background in the energy industry. coming from a city and it's very affected by congress itself trade. >> i work for a republican for 18 years and what i tell people is that we don't need to look at other forms of energy in the city of houston was the largest immiscible purchaser of energy in america. and so we are trying to lead by example. there is also a coalition of those focused on climate change

and we need to recognize that there's no easy solution to this this, but we have to at least do a better job reducing of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and it's not quite the same conversation. most of us engaged in these environmental issues don't spend a lot of time. i don't want to argue about whether climate change is part of this or not, i just want to focus on what can we do to reduce greenhouse gas initiative, what can we do and because what we do is good for the bottom line.

it's very houston and very texas and go through the practicality and i try to convince people based upon this and focus on the right things. >> it was a column recently in which he talked about the economic success and he mentioned that houston is the number one in jobs growth per capita since 2000. and this includes being a very liberal city for people with children. what is the root of the economic situation? >> it's the underlying sector of our economy, we are the oil and gas capital of the world. we are in a transformative time in the oil and gas industry with unconventional gas elements and we are america's largest import export port and support business

has been doing well. the texas medical center is one of the largest of medical facilities in one place in the world and we are one of the fastest-growing manufacturers as well and we have a business friendly environment and we are lukacs and load regulation the state and we have a lot of room to spread out. all of that has helped but we also have universities where major research takes place, we have the engineers per capita, the most engineers per capita in america. however, let me say something that most people don't know, i have 92 foreign consulates in houston and the world comes to houston and we are one of the

most internationally focused u.s. cities. we are better known across our borders and across the u.s. state lines. and yes, yes, yes. [laughter] >> however, we are a global source around the world who have people that come to houston because of the industry and the economy that we have, the welcoming nature of the city. the comparison between houston and san francisco always starts off with about how beautiful san francisco is that it's not an exaggeration to say that there are many of these going up across the houston community and

it may not be beautiful to some people, but it's beautiful to me. [laughter] >> you mentioned in the larger political climate, there's obviously a tremendous amount of fear and anxiety about immigration in the united states, a lot of people have a response to isis being a threat, said on the borders, when ebola comes up, people say stop the flights from west africa trade how do you manage the politics of making the case that all of this is good for the city once clearly producing a fair amount of anxiety around the country. >> i think that we have to separate two things. one is texas is a border state. and you have the issue of undocumented immigrants coming across the border.

and i'm not an immigration enforcement individual, but we want to have people pay taxes, which they do, they don't break local laws. i'm focused on running a city and that includes everybody in the city and that is just practicality. every state, every city and state has that attitude. and you seem to have a number of things from other places around the globe. and from that aspect we are focused on, as i said, the best and the brightest to build business and we want to make

sure that america can benefit from this. and it's a balancing act. obviously the united states at some point must come to grips with undocumented immigrants here across america. whether we want to do it would be necessary to seal the borders, and we all think that the federal government hasn't tackled that yet. from a local perspective we have some significant crime and crimes perpetrated by illegal immigrants. and we talk about this before.

and that insanity right there. you're doing the same thing over and over again [inaudible] >> how toxic politically is a to talk about amnesty, which seems to be part of this. >> not toxic at all. >> you have senators like this who are inadvertently posted us. >> i will do my best not to talk about it. >> our business community, this is going to be the second time that i can mention this, the state department of public safety has exactly the same policy as we deal with those that are undocumented.

this includes the partnerships clearly on record saying that we need to practice this. >> so why are the politics in this state so tough on that issue? >> again, i don't know that that is the case. the rhetoric in washington is not reflected in governing a city and governing this day, making sure that those on the ground are able to work well with. >> you mentioned that the cities , there's only 10 women mayors in those cities. and so i guess it's a two-part question. first of all, what is it about the job of mayor that you think creates a unique political challenge in terms of women candidates and also why is there

a bit of an exception to that in houston? >> is the mayor of houston, i would like to have people in the state, it's a ceo corporation, it's a lot like the position as governor, it's politics and i'm also commander-in-chief of our police department and our fire department and so while america is getting better about that, you have to have women that are qualified and capable to run to those positions. but we still need to view women as ceo, commander-in-chief, and it's a business community issue as well. >> would he think is the exception that? >> well, houston is --

[inaudible] >> we have a wonderful and dynamic mayor, yes. [applause] >> that people don't understand that it is an attitude in texas as well and we say in the south, we don't care who your people are or where you're from, we care what you can do and what you bring. in my own election i had ari been elected in the city of houston six times and i said oh, my goodness, how can this happen. it is a familiar candidate and i was coming out of the control. we have an election. he only other woman mayor was elected out of this and she also got to preside over a terrible economic downturn. and so who do you want is

someone who knows where every dollar in the city is. it's no mystery. >> thank you so much for being here with us. >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you so much. [applause] >> edwards noted name is back in the news. a new documentary that the former security agency sparked a national debate about what information should be private and what should be public. those questions and the challenges the service remained today we address them with two of the leading minds in the field. the founder of crowd strike and the director of security at an

olympic lead contributor mary kelly's. >> this morning. we are here to talk about cybersurveillance security as mentioned. a subject never very far from the headlines, this week is really interesting a major attack on the white house computer network and according to the fbi there were something like 500 usen, those who go online on our phones, the fbi this month warned not a matter of if but when he will be hacked.

.. it is reasonably good at normal network activity and yesterday during the forum there was a possibility basically the alert

was that the cell tower of my phone was connected to have no neighbors. that's a strange thing and so it was alerting me to the possibility that this might be an attempt to listen to my phonecalls. now what seems more likely actually is that it was detecting the presence of sensors used by people who do vip production and attempted to take attacks against their assets but again on the list there was sort of a reasonably interesting example for the cat and mouse game of surveillance that occurs. >> so you can watch on your phone like a bar shooting off the charts? >> my phone is a graphical representation so there were bread bars, red bars come red bars and i've lived just down the road green, green, green, green so literally this area.

if anyone else here has the same sort of thing i think someone important is speaking up to us. >> you have been warned all of you. dimitri let me turn to you and tackle the big news this week here in washington about the white house. their computer network gets attacked all the time. apparently a significant one this week and the thinking is this was out of russia. >> shocking. the russians want to note the president is thinking, imagine. these attacks are occurring all the time not just in the white house but really the story that has been reported over the last couple of years is that the commercial sector companies that are building innovation in this country in agriculture and high-tech all of them have been coming under sophisticated tax from china, from russian talking about not criminal actors nation-states the pla in china

be at the china. they are trying to steal a so they can give it to domestic industry so they can compete better in the marketplace. trying to steal our trade secrets and some things that would help build products better and thinks it would help them compete by stealing negotiation strategies from particular business deals and it's going on in an unprecedented scale. >> when you say this is nation-states how can you tell because it's not always that simple to know whether this is a government sanctioned government approved government organize job door some of that happens to be working in a country. >> this is one of the big misconceptions about this industry that a lot of people say it's so hard. it's hard but not impossible and not impossible in about every major cyberattack we have had over the last 30 years has been a contributor definitively. not all of them have been done publicly but we know very well who's behind these these attacks

and it's a lot easier these days to do attribution the private sector. a few months ago we unveiled the attribution of one particular group in china that's been going after the industry and we attributed it to building in shanghai. as the headquarters of the 12th bureau of the people's liberation army that focuses on satellite signal intelligence which makes sense because that's the type of companies they are going after. >> isn't always clear what they are going after once they get inside the network? sometimes it seems like with the jpmorgan attacks the attacks on jpmorgan chase that we have been reading out in -- reading about in recent weeks that they are sending a message hey we can do this. >> we don't know all the facts in that particular case but in a lot of cases that we know who's behind it you can often tell and understand what their motivations are and what the mission state they're in. in china for example dozens of

groups affiliated with armed services but they all have specific missionaries groups focused system the financial sector are the high-tech sector and working closely with state-owned enterprises in china to give them an intellectual property. if you understand he's doing it you can understand what their motivation is. i will give you an example of why it's important. there's a company that was hacked recently in the media for number of months that the security clearances for a number of government agencies and that information was hacked. the security claims paperwork is very extensive. a full background check and essential your life story. what the number of government agencies did to the people affected as is you should get credit margins. he came out later that the organization that did the hacking was a chinese military. chinese military is not committing theft against those people. what the agency should have been telling those people is that they are high-risk of being blackmailed and they should be

given counterintelligence training not credit monitoring because the chinese are not going to steal their credit cards. >> morgan you come out this from a bit of a different angle. you are working right now not so much with institutions whether big companies or government but helping to protect individuals on line, human rights dissidents, activists national security journalists. he has been working with glenn greenwald and marv who have risen to become household names because of their involvement with edward snowden. he left a hotshot job at google today cao project. why? >> yeah so the last piece of public research that i release prior to leaving google was actually about the targeting of journalists and they are the same as the once dimitri was describing. we are talking about state sponsored intelligence apparatus and journalists are an

interesting target because interesting people talk to them. so they have become a source of intelligence. the research that i released showed that of the world's top 25 news organizations 21 of them have been targeted by state-sponsored actors. the ones that have not are the ones that have predominately an entertainment focus so you can draw your own conclusions on that. what i have seen is that journalists talk to interesting people and give interesting information attract different types of factors. it's an asymmetry in this game and not a lot of corporations and funding that can afford security teams and so forth whereas journalists up until recently i think were quite unaware of the threat that they actually face. >> give us some perspective here that i'm a journalist and i'm

sure there are many journalists in the audience today. if i call a source on my cell phone in the taxi on the way here or e-mailed a source how easy is it if somebody wants to know who am i talking to if they want to find that out? >> that largely depends on how well funded it is and how dedicated they are. so you can offset being time rich obviously. i think depending on what you are working on you frequently know, you have an idea of your risks. i find that journalists frequently are reasonably aware. they just haven't i guess not how to engage with security resources which i think big business people that have regulatory incentive actually forced by law to have engaged

people in the security industry actually know how to observe security resource whereas journalists -- there's actually a local example. there's a satellite company just outside of d.c. that was compromised by a foreign government. the software that was used to compromise the intelligence software known as remote control system which enabled, enabled their remote to turn on the microphone so these computers and listen to what was going on in the office and take screenshots through the cameras of the journalist laptops and so forth. the software works on cell phones and through the invisible microphone capability which means someone can turn on the microphone to the cell phone and

act as a censor. >> the software gets into your phone out? >> out? >> there a number of ways to which they could do that. they are clumsier ways which is you attempt to social engineer someone into installing something so you say this is an update on something you want. their silent methods of doing this. the particular company i'm talking about actually sells appliances to government that they have stolen isps and one of the things they did was waited until people watched videos and impromptu to update your flash or hit you with a software exploit which would silently explore the software and a computer. these require coercive powers over the internet exchanges or isps. you actually have to be a government actor or state actor presumably at least in this country you would need a warrant heard in other countries you might need more than the

regulatory status. the interesting thing is the software that was used to target the d.c. satellite company is sold by italians. and documents that were released today actually on the intercept by social media actually show they are being used by u.s. law enforcement as well. this actually goes to the commercial nature of the surveillance market right now. you have software being sold by a european company used to tie u.s. citizens and also being used by u.s. offices. >> i have covered the nuclear industry and they talk about dual-use in its ounces if this is a classic dual-use. your software is very helpful for law enforcement anywhere tracking legitimate bad guys, terrorists and pedophiles and drug dealers but also can be

used without proper oversight to use it on journalists or dissidents or anybody else. >> the software specifically advertised to defeat encryption and monitor geographically active targets outside of the monitor domain so it specifically created to try to people. in certain countries they have rigorous state surveillance apparatus so for instance some of these people may end up in d.c.. how do you continue to monitor them? of this type of targeted surveillance. it's the same stuff that dimitri was talking about. is this type of s.b. nice bass espionage software. >> what makes us different as these are intelligence agency with massive budgets. they are like a dog with a bone. if you are doing a story on the

private resources in chinese theaters and their wealth they have accumulated perhaps their nefarious purposes i can guarantee 100% of that money on the table that you are infected. they were targeting you and they will not relent until they are able to get into your computer and find out where you got information who is using that private confidential data so they can go after those people and bring them some money. >> let me introduce two words to the conversation. edward snowden. what does somebody with your background and level of expertise and is what did you learn from the documents that you released? how was it change the way your clients are doing business? >> it's interesting because obviously a lot of people seem to have been shocked by the revelations. i think a lot of people in the security initiative that have been dealing with this for a long time were surprised at how unsurprising it was pretty

anyone who thought without five minutes without background on how you would do this balance activity we have the resource internet national security agency would arrive at the same level architecture. i'm personally not surprised by anything. >> i actually disagree with demeter and a couple of points. i think people who have been in the security industry for a long time are certainly not surprised that we have this apparatus that have massive funding and interesting capabilities and if they didn't they wouldn't be doing their jobs. and the other side of things a lot of people were very surprised by the scope of some of the surveillance occurring on american citizens. i think they're for issa and metadata revelation which was the one that showed all of grisons customers had their core records handed over to nsa. i think i was very surprising in the very first one that came out where people were scandalized. and i think justifiably so.

i think it was probably poorly understood that the nsa's ability to spy on u.s. soil. i also think we involvement of silicon valley with the state intelligence apparatus was also something that, i mean i think one of the reasons this could be surprising to someone like me who has been the security industry for a long time is because in many ways these have the technological capability. i was certainly surprised about the amount and scope of data that was being harvested from u.s. companies for intelligence purposes. >> that points to one of the key points of contention that i think it is rebuilt which is the relationship between companies between the industry and the government. the government we hear over and over and the fbi saying cooperate with us. you can only fight cybercrime and cybercybersurveillance that

if we work together to share what you know with us. >> so i think this is a bit of a double-edged sword. i think there are entities that pay with taxpayer dollars and i live in new new zealand and i do pay taxes and live here. these entities are paid to protect us on line from cyberattacks and that sort of thing and worry about foreign spying and so forth however we have noticed there's an economic impact so as i mentioned the parties to work for google. there's a different economic impact for silicon companies when foreign nations noted that the u.s. government is harvesting large amounts of data from the silicon valley companies. i don't have a great answer to that problem. >> there's no question that there's a big impact on the u.s. industry.

it's not just in countries like china but in europe for example a lot of individuals in a lot of governments are saying were not going to do business with american companies because all of this data goes to the u.s. government. that's a real policy issue we have to address. there's a big legal case right now in the courts with justice department suing microsoft in what they are trying to do on the merits they are trying to get records from a drug dealer that they are pursuing. the problem is that data that microsoft is holding -- the justice department is trying to get them to release this data on this individual. when we store data overseas and other jurisdictions if the u.s. government can get access to that as an american company no one will do business with us overseas and it's a real issue. >> the last question if i may

too do a chivian i'm going to quote you bargain on an interview you gave a couple of years to "the new york times." he told them i can't wait for the day when i can sleep in and watch movies and go to the pub still analyzing malware and pondering the state of the global surveillance industry. >> wasn't that just yesterday? [laughter] >> my question for you is that they going to come? is the fact of life in the 21st century that we have to be aware of anything that we put on line at any form? >> the interesting thing is espionage has been around for thousands of years. it's not going away. it's just a lot easier to do and a lot more countries have the capability to do so. as long as they're centrist and in your data or your company status someone is going to go after it. you have to realize it's a human problem and not a technology problem. you think about it is just. every move that's made you there

is a counter move. >> i think i was reasonably hopeful when i said that. the future morgan accounting for the -- but i remain hopeful. as dmitri said it's a human problem and a greater transparency and dialogue we are having around surveillance now means that we can actually have more of a say when we decide how we are going to conduct ourselves moving forward. >> morgan and dmitri thank you both. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> let me remind people that on the innovator's stage downstairs you would be very welcome to go and check out mia burke of policy design. and now let me introduce the ceo

of yelp. yelp ers know him as they pop out. his username on the popular preview service jeremy stop woman is a former paypal employee turned customer review mogul. he runs a site that you pull up winning a second opinion on everything from hair parlors to sushi parlors. i'm hoping to learn today how i can get my review of my haircut or an yelp. here to talk with him as washington bureau chief from "bloomberg news" jonathan allen. >> jeremy good to have you here. >> great to be here. >> one of the things i'm curious about what yelp is what the expansion model looks like. are you trying to move out geographically or get different types of businesses? what is next? >> as it turns out the way we have grown has been city by city and it's been this geographic expansion and it really got started in 2005 in san francis francisco. we went to other major cities like new york seattle boston

etc. and now we finally in the last several years darted expanding internationally. so we have a real presence now. we have an office in london and dublin and hamburg and it has really been incredible to see yelp and so many different languages. we launched japan this year so it's a very exciting time to see this site really glow -- grow and blossom. >> when you are using yelp do you have a threshold every rating where you say this place is going to be great first is one where you say okay versus i'm definitely not going there and i assume if you have zero stars you are not going but is a 1.5 for you go you are not doing back? which are personal. >> okay so we are looking at protests on how to use yelp. i would say the outliers are always interesting. it's pretty difficult to be one or one point five-star business and similarly it's difficult to

be a four-point five-star business with hundreds and maybe thousands of reviews. so when you do discover one of those chances are you are going to have an incredible experience. in fact there was just innate silver silver publication or blogpost that he did where he analyzed the yelp reviews and compared it to reviews by michelin. he found in new york there is a very strong correlation between the outliers on yelp and the ones that are also outliers with professional merchants. >> in terms of the ratings system and how well that works, i don't think i got an answer, where do you say i'm not going? >> you know at times convenience takes over and you just go anyways at this three stars you think i'm going to have a mediocre experience but i'm going to survive. i'm not afraid of a three-star restaurant but i would say 3.5 threshold for acceptable. three you are going to have a

mediocre experience and you are not going to be that happy with that. >> you mentioned nate silver. this sports people know him and political people know him. you have an interesting dataset in terms of the reviews. people that have been to a place not perceptually politically polling would be. who are you sharing that data with? i understand you are starting to share that data. house is and who are you sharing it with? >> it has really come a lot of pickup. we have an academic dataset and we have given that over to the community that focused on datamining techniques and machine learning about that and they have done interesting projects that we run ongoing contest for fellowships with university students which is pretty cool. but then also on the public health side there has been interesting research and traction where certain researchers of certain cities have picked up the data analyzer looking for patterns of suspicious reports around things

like oh i felt sick or i was throwing up after went to this restaurant. things that suggest their health code issues going on at that business. in fact they have used that information to drive investigation so limited resources of investigators that can go out and do help inspections at restaurants. one useful way to it allocated might be to look for reports and that is actually been happening. >> is able to search words like got sick? >> exactly. they created a list of words associated with potential health care violations like a cockroach crawling across my table or i was sick etc. they use that to drive investigations and inspections and actually found it was a helpful way to allocate their limited resources. >> you have been part to pretty successful electronic firms. which recommendation -- what is

your recommendation for folks that are young looking to get into into that line of work? was the best way to find the right idea or come up at with the right idea? >> it's tough. for me the way i found my way into this industry was i started interviewing and i was very fortunate and i met elon musk. i went and interviewed a startup of less than 30 people and talked a couple of engineers. they were very talented and i was was impressed and i finally ran into the ceo of the firm elon. the guy was just crazy. he was 28 years old and on a second company. he had this twinkle in his eye and he confidently told me and at the time we had no revenue company, may be less than 100,000 users and he said with a straight face we are going to take over mastercard and visa

entry place world payments with the service. i had never seen anything like that. i didn't even understand the power that a single person with great ambitions, the impact that they could have, the implicit they could have super me that was kind of an ah-hah moment about silicon valley and what a young person could potentially do in their career. i saw that, there was up moment and i was like i have to sign up and be a part of this. it was a leap of faith. the company had a little bit of traction but i really wanted to just learn from this person and then the elon became a long-term mentor and the company would emerge as paypal or affinity as it was known back then then and lead to wonderful things after that. >> is there a stop woman mafia of people? who should we be looking at as innovators of the future? >> much like i'm sure d.c. silicon valley is a small place when it comes down to it and

lots of young entrepreneurs that have invested in lots of companies you have probably heard of that are up-and-comers who are now quite successful. so there is this nice system of giving back. if you do get some attraction and achieve success people come to you and look look for vice and it's a lot of fun. i really enjoy the time that i spend sitting down with entrepreneurs and giving them guidance. there are all sorts of gotcha's that you can help them steer clear of so i've been at a report -- rewarding part of a ceo that is built the company and has the opportunity to get back to people. >> depending on the issue sometimes you find yourself an ally of google and sometimes you find yourself on the opposite end of the spectrum. i'm curious, what i'm curious about with regard to google is your business relies on using

them as a platform and using search engines as a platform. what's wrong with them promoting their own products and promoting their own reviews? >> that's the question is their consumer harm. we all use google products and a lot of them are free and that's wonderful. the search is free but think about a moment where you are looking for a resource. maybe you have a young child who has the flu and you want a pediatrician and you search for pediatrician under android phone and it pops up results from goggle +. it turns out not that many people use goggle + and i don't have that many reviews so you are not actually getting the best information on something that's actually really important to you. so this idea that google preferences its content you know when we are talking about restaurants that may not be as important and it's not life or death. maybe you have an unfortunate restaurant experience but you will live but there are actually

things that people turn to that are more critical. if you can't find that information and it is essentially cut off that's a real problem i think for consumers as well as business owners. they are shortchanged, the ones that are doing a great job in the document that takes extra time with your child. you are deprived of that experience and i think that's a pretty serious problem. ..

>> we have this shopping experience and it's not just the majority of the products at amazon, but it's a platform that allows all of these vendors the plug-in. until it is really powerful idea or you can turn to yelp. >> click a button, credit cards, information, phone number and address, you book your appointment, you make your restaurant reservation. >> so you said 20,000 8000

businesses. how do you get from 28,000 to 500,000 or whatever it is around the world and how are you doing that and how do you recruit people to sign up? >> welcome others all of these certain parties, one that we work with is one of the food delivery partners that we have. and so their whole business is just signing up restaurants that want to have this and they are growing naturally and we don't have to worry about back, we are also signing up other different companies as well and other categories as well. and so that includes the other partnerships that we are bringing in. and there is the connection of the local businesses to the online audience. so over time we are going to get vigor and bigger by the option. this is a new idea and so we are just getting started and so now

we have a sense of how it works and we thank you all so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> before i introduce our next segment, free of the coolest folks out there. how many of you ride city bikes in town? put your hands up. and the person who created all of that, after that, we will be out on stage this afternoon i met 1030 he has a cult following in san diego, probably the one of the most famous ring researchers in the united states and then finally i will be doing the last interview with john,

who is one of the leading genetic design immunotherapies in the country and an eyelash away from major strategic research on hiv, thinking about a number of cancers. when i had robert your yesterday, he was saying that this guy would know a lot about hal to deal with ebola. we will be discussing all of that at 11 the clock. now, let's have some fun. bill clinton jokingly said that he had the right to shut down bill matthews at the 1999 radio and tv correspondents dinner. at he interviewed the hardball host the usually gets the last laugh. lester he was the number one rated speaker and we have chris matthews. please welcome him to the stage. [applause] >> thank you.

okay, thank you for having me back. and i guess the interview with him is going to be great, by the way. so let's talk about the election and what it's going to produce probably and what will come in the next two years as a requirement and how it will lead to 2016 i'm going to do it in 12 minutes. the only time in my life that someone told me to talk faster. [laughter] and first of all, it seems to me, and i will speak in caricature. both political parties have become characters caricatures on purpose. the republican party is sort of a case of eight-year peak. if there's anything that's bugging you, the weather, and whatever it is, stick it to obama because of his fall,

obviously. and that is a caricature, but it's so true, it's sort of like a mood ring where if you you're a down, stick it to this guy. so if you're worried about it, ebola or isis, either defeating it or containing it, or if you don't like the president and you heard what hillary clinton said last week about corporations don't create jobs or you don't like what someone says about netanyahu. by the way, his feelings are not hurt. [laughter] and he sees his chance. and so that is the party position and it's very profound. they say that the worst thing you could do is defend the government because that means that every complaint, every anger that they stick on you, the situation with the election comes out.

and so pretty much nothing. [laughter] and i mean us. this is not a comic statement but a tragic statement. it's like a safeway with nothing in it. except a couple of pointed purchase items as you go past people magazine and the rest of it, income inequality and we will do the eye-popping numbers that may never pass. but these are not the issues that fill up your shopping cart, but they are issues that have sort of germinated in the last couple of months, something to say, something to talk about because they don't want to talk about health care and they don't want to talk about recovery since the great depression. so it's the inability of of democrats to become reasonably

happy. and so to me the iconic statement of the year, she was asked who she voted for and that is an easy one. i voted for obama and i was for hillary clinton, of course, everybody knows that. and i thought that there was a better candidate. and it wouldn't have even been a new story. for a number of reasons, and of course i believe in conjecture and trying to figure these things out, i don't select political answers but i always assume that if it's better than it looks, they will tell you. and so always assume the way it comes across as the best possible picture they can give you. always assume that they have this all over the place, and if it's worse they are never going to tell you.

i think that allison is a very honest person and she was asked a question if it was worse than she gave it this honest answer, she didn't want to pay but i voted for this person or that because i was thinking how much i like them. and that's simply something we don't know. but 32.8% of the people in kentucky like obama. and perhaps that is the more likely solution is she just didn't want say that she voted for him. this is turkey going into this election. they don't really want to say who they are, they don't really have a statement and they have nothing to offer and they have no real positive branding except we have local issues here and let's stick to those or obama's not on the ticket, he cannot win the argument. and if you look at all the references to the president, the

only references to him are negative. $4 billion of advertising in the last year, most of it is silence about him or attacking him. so what do you think is going to happen? and so all this clever hiding from him, there's a great line from the american revolution, either we hang together or we hang separately. and the democrats should remember that. i love to make predictions and often i'm right. but i think that they could win up to 10 seats in the senate because we don't know the future is for next week. how about this, you watch msnbc and you watch the results coming

in benefits as too close to call, or to early to call, which doesn't tell you anything, then if you are democrat, you can be optimistic, it makes it much more if closer election than people have been predicting. if on the other hand the news from 8:00 o'clock in new hampshire is too close to call, look out because that is the high water mark of this. if scott brown can get on his scooter or his truck and head across the border and assign himself to a new state and win against a pretty popular incumbent, you know that you are looking at it next tuesday night. if he wins, look at the whole shebang. you can shake your head. we will see what all the experts back there. watch closely. so he's in the polls last couple of days. and so we are going to see, hampshire is a little bit to the

right and i always love the right and left and center, giving it when there's no prayer in the world to win. most people manage to fight this and he has trouble when he says what he thinks. and he says that the gaffe in washington. when you say what you think. item one in 1972. he ran against the incumbent senator and he was 29 years old and i remember seeing a poster and a billboard and i said that i doesn't have a prayer. and it's like the new york daily news newspaper. and it says he has made an

impact in the u.s. senate the inside was a picture with something about consumerism and the next was about hubert humphrey and something else and it made him look like a senator. and so sometimes the guy knows what he's doing and we had a guy beat an incumbent republican, and so there's always audacity out there, and that's the great thing about politics, they're going to take a big chance you're going to see some interesting races. jerry brown is going through his fourth term and they love him, they say that this guy has it figured out. audacity, ego, nobody asked to run for office anymore.

there are no parties there really matter anymore. and that is how politics work in this country. what i worry is that we are losing some of that. and that's my biggest fear about politics today, that people don't have the guts to say donna, i'm going to run. but i'm running and him and make them say no to me. and so after this election on tuesday night, about three things are going to happen. one is that the republicans and do they have it all figured out and that's all it takes, and he is ebola. you know, and they will say anything about the outrage. and they say that we have to figure it out, we got it from him, they don't care. and then charlie crist, he lost,

it's weird, the republican mentality is not even high school level on some of this stuff and i'm serious. and the democrats are supposed to be scared. and they say oh, we have to run from the president, we just have to go back where we have to play the usual cards and we have to be little scaredy-cat, and that's where they react. most of these movements last about a day and a half. and they say were going to vote against any kind of deal and infrastructure and the democrats

will be scared. this includes an immigration bill, they won't they anything about enforcement. and there's something in the senate called the permanent investigating subcommittee meeting is back in the early 50s unless ted cruz gets that job. and by the way, check the pictures, they look so much alike that it is frightening and that's not fair, of course, but that's why did it. [laughter] and this guy, didn't you hear? at ted cruz. or he might have. and that committee has the power, i found this out last week, they were taken to issue a

subpoena and its complete power year-round, has the complete mandate for anything and everything. and he will become the chairman of that committee in january. john mccain. and so john mccain is a serious guy. he is really angry but he serious and he's not darrell issa. so if he moves to the chairmanship, he will use it. and anything they see will be interesting. it might be interesting, even in a bipartisan sense to look at. and so it happened after they grab this thing out longtime of the new deal. spending the next two years investigating, which they tend to like to do. as a setback than, they began the morning with a prayer and

ended it with a pro. keep it up. this is the mentality and they are going to investigate. investigating with complete power over the subpoena in both houses and rightfully so. and it controls the subpoena power. and they investigate and they caught it all. he did it with iran contra against reagan, the power of the subpoena is everything and they know this, they know exactly what i'm saying, and that includes investigations and negative politics and how this will set up in 2016. i assume hillary clinton will run and she may run with jim

webb or the guy from vermont, a big challenge. and she will be out there offering herself up in wall street, which is popular among democrats because local parties are known. and hillary clinton has a great opportunity and i'm somewhat centerleft. so most people don't admit that i have a prejudice. and so i feel may be that hillary clinton is foppish. but i think a smart move for her and i think she is smart, it will be mark or some other people, she won't run the ways

bracelet she did last time, but she learned. she works very hard. so it shall probably do is win big in diffuse weekend and the other party gets to do this, you have to go on a strategy to do something with it. fifty-three or 54% and they want to rule and they want to have the power to do something for the country and that would be an ideal win. so i think that her argument that i would make is we are sick of men and testosterone and the ability to not cut a deal. and i think that what you have to do is say what this country needs is hard luck or hard

right, nobody thinks that way. the great thing is a successful middle which means reasonable deal on immigration, and it says let them stay and number two, tomorrow morning you can't come in this country and get a job illegally. this is in the senate bill and it's one tough though. you can't work without an id card, but you can't have a real job if you're here illegally and that is serious business. of course, you will never hear that from a democrat. and so this is one tough though. and if we pass it, it's a compromise, but he wants the issue. neither party wants to talk about this and right now you

don't have a law. so if you work with the democrats and what they want to help, you should compromise there. you could compromise on the loopholes. and so all of this works as the tax rate is 20%. and you can work left and right, you can make it work and you can say i know how to do this thing. thank you. >> coming up on c-span2, the u.s. trade representative and the obama administration trade agenda. and the ebola outbreak in west africa. then we have a secretary on

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middle school and high school students to create a theme on the three branches in you, showing policy law and action has affected you or your community. there are 200 cash prizes totaling $100,000 with a list of rules and how to get started, go to student camera.org. >> coming up next, we have an update on the obama administration trade agenda in ongoing negotiations. this is 60 minutes. >> [inaudible] >> this is going to be a very spectacular 13 minute interview to sir, thank you so much for joining me.

you are in the midst of a trade negotiation across the atlantic and this includes continental trade investment talks. but you still don't have the fast-track negotiating and correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think that there's been any significant trade deals and so what is the chance of getting fast-track after the election next tuesday. >> between promotion, as you say, is the mechanism by which congress gives us marching orders about how to work with them during a negotiation and what process will use to approve an agreement. and trade policy, probably more than any other policy, is one where an executive needs work closer together and we need to consult with them and the tpp

would have wanted 1500 meetings with congress and the key thing is that congress has significant importance to the negotiations so that they will be able to be comfortable with it. i think ultimately this is an area where there is bipartisan support for trade and it's one of the areas that cuts across party lines that people can make progress in and we look forward to working with congress after the election on the trade agenda more generally in a way that has broad bipartisan support. >> secretly hoping for a republican victory next week or next demand i think that this is well-established and you have other speakers on politics and i would just say that this is an area that we need to work bipartisan on all of these issues and we are working very closely with democrats to ensure

that the trade agreements that just our values and tpp is going to have the strongest labor and environmental divisions of any trade agreement in history and it's going to be the first agreement on the issue of enterprises and to make sure that they compete with the private firms do so on a level playing field. it will be the first that establishes rules for the digital economy and all of this is about unlocking opportunity for american workers and farmers and businesses of all sizes, particularly small businesses that need to navigate the global economy. >> just to pin this down, what are you going to make it to conclude this? >> always it's time for the congress to consider and that we need to move forward with congress on a basis for you have bipartisan support, as much a spot of. >> so the big one now in terms

of the agenda is you've got this after the midterms and then you've got a big apex summit. do you expect to conclude the tpp deal they are without fast-track? is that something? >> we do not expect to have a final agreement. it would be an opportunity when all of the tpp leaders will be present and it's a good opportunity for them to have conversations about what other standing issues they have and give political impetus to getting it done. >> were the big sticking points with the japanese in the u.s. about this to the japanese market remap. >> you have intellectual property, what are the things that are trying the negotiators down very strongly? >> i would say this falls in a

couple of different categories, access, agriculture issues with japan and canada, we are making good progress with japan and hope to engage with canada soon. we also have issues with autos in japan and i think we have the rules and intellectual property right, and those are all areas where we have made tremendous progress coming being ministerial which was completed a couple of days ago and we're making very good progress in closing out issues, narrowing the differences on the remaining issues and we have a lot of the ways to go on were going to do that. >> okay, so getting onto this, which has more than just a second, but you do know ultimately to have stronger majority of american public opinion in this environment, it is particularly tough area do you think you're doing enough to convince the american people of the benefit of these deals and

what is the core argument and what is this for tpp, for example. >> the core argument starts with the economics. cecily fair. 80% of the purchasing power outside the u.s. to grow and create good jobs. and we have to be engage in international market. the market is wide open, the average is about 1.5% and we don't use regulations and that's not true around the world. and this is how we help to increase this with american workers and american armors, helping to grow jobs here, grow wages here to the middle class. the second part of the argument is it is