over this dog for his friends. this is a very stubborn dog too much like his previous handler was very stubborn, an enormous young man. he was like 6 feet 4 inches and incredibly broad shouldered and this dog was equal to him and respect so he was not easy to get him to do new things. it took a long time but maybe like any relationship there's that movement -- moment when things click and you are sort of friends and then it gets better from there. >> we have time for one or two more questions. >> hi my name is jeff. i recall a television report from a state-of-the-art veterinary skye whose mission it was to not revalidate combat dogs. >> that happens. you can jump in anytime. i don't mind but i think the

hospital you are speaking of his lackland air force base and they call it the walter reed for dogs or so i've heard and it's very high-tech. i have seen that they have these tanks for water therapy in the veterinarians are wonderful. i've gotten into a couple of them so sometimes dog sustained injuries and if it doesn't affect them for long periods of time with reuploaded therapy. sometimes it can be diagnosing dogs with k-9 ptsd. i know some dogs can get their confidence back and sometimes they can't. i think the same thing with -- did i do okay? >> you have the microphone so you are recorded. >> lackland air force base is the hub. it's a bit merry heaven all the specialists i than the behavior specialist. there are license k-9 rehabilitator is there so as you

said it's the walter reed for the dogs. so even if we have a dog that's wounded in combat and they have to take a limb, they will fly them back there and they will rehabilitate them and then retire them. >> if you don't mind, one thing i am always happy to tell people that when dogs are in combat they do get treated like any other service person who is wanted and they get medevaced out. >> i would say from personal experience that they get better care. [laughter] i have personally handed them off to human physicians assistants and flight medics and i have trained them personally. so the bond is incredible. the teamwork is incredible.

>> this exchange we just heard illustrates becky's book is full of just wonderful insightful narratives and perhaps you would encounter in other parts of the press. this is a book very worth reading. it's written with enormous heart because like some other works of literature i don't know if you read the novel from the dog's point of view. it's like that and a matching the moral leap among the species in the situation of our time with this condition war we are going through. i hope you read this book and i'm going to give daddy a chance to comment on what you most hope people will take from this after they have bought and read and enjoyed the book? what you hope they will learn? >> i hope that people understand how important this really is and how unique and rare it is and

it's significant. the contribution, their numbers might be small but their contribution is huge and it's tremendous. it's not just that they are sweetheart rendering stories but in a way that we do not have the technology otherwise to do it any better. so that is what i hope you will get. thank you very much. >> the book is dog wars and becky will be signing copies out there. thanks to her and six bandai. [applause] six bandai. >> if you have a book to be signed please join us in line along the back wall and began additional copies are for sale here in the front of the room. [inaudible conversations]

doris kearns goodwin discusses her book "the bully pulpit" theatre roosevelt william howard taft and they aged journalism. [applause] >> we are very honored today to have doris kearns goodwin is our special guest in before i give her background i want to start some questions. how many people here have read a book by doris kearns goodwin? [applause] how many people have read two books? three books? four? five? six? all of them. how many people are going to buy her book today? and get it autographed.

doris kearns goodwin is obviously a leading presidential scholar. she is a person who has written books on some of the most important presidents and today we are going to talk largely about her new book "the bully pulpit" which is about teddy roosevelt and william howard taft and the bit about the muckrakers of that time. she is from brooklyn. [applause] a big fan of the brooklyn dodgers and she wrote a book about them as well. the brooklyn dodgers don't exist any longer so she has shifted their allegiance to the boston red sox. [applause] and she was the first woman to go into the boston red sox locker room. [applause] she is a graduate of kolbe college phi beta kappa.

later on a white house fellowship and is as a white house fellow assigned to the white house and worked with president johnson directly. after she left at the white house fellowship went to harvard and got her teaching assignment there. she taught at harvard and got her ph.d. at harvard as well and began her career writing extraordinary books. like to start by asking you this. your written books about presidents that you obviously couldn't know abraham lincoln and teddy roosevelt franklin roosevelt john kennedy. if he had a chance to have dinner with any one of those and you only have to pick one who would he want to have dinner with? >> i think it would have to be abraham lincoln. i keep knowing that people say do you suppose you could have dinner with one of the guys what would you ask them? i know i should ask abraham lincoln what would you have done differently about the construction had the lives but i know i wouldn't ask him that. i would just say mr. lincoln would you tell me the story and

then if he started giving me a story his whole face would change. his smile would come on. the story might be a funny story. it might have an anecdote. there might be a dirty story and i would see them come alive. the idea of abraham lincoln who i thought about every day for 10 years coming alive considering his melancholy by telling a story to me would be my favorite dinner i could possibly imagine. >> if you have a chance to ask what question would you want to ask of franklin roosevelt that they have a chance to ask one question? >> with franklin roosevelt and maybe well in part because adjustment to the holocaust museum today, i would want to ask him when he you think back is there more you could have done? there more you could have done, i understand once world war ii once world war ii have been, hitler close for a per, but is there more you could've done to bring more jewish refugees to the country before that moment.

[applause] >> what would u.s. eleanor roosevelt? >> i think what i would ask eleanor, in fact it happened when i was working on the boat. they were so many times what i felt there what i thought they were such love between eleanor and franklin in as such hurt because he had had an affair so many years before. i would ask her again, just forget that affair. i know he loves you. i would talk to her when i would write the book could just tell her, just remember you are so much better than any other women in his life. just absorbed the fact that you are eleanor and just be closer to him because he was boldly in those years and there was still a present and understandably that separated them from their beds from each other, but made them this incredible part errors. i guess i was trying to tell her, i know him and i know he wants to be with you more and if you could stay home a little more, i think it would be good. [laughter] >> if you hadn't been a presidential scholar, you

would've been a marriage counselor. [laughter] what would u.s. teddy roosevelt? >> wow, these are great questions. i would ask teddy, why couldn't you wait to run for the presidency until 1916? u.n. taft was such great friends. he loves you. you do what you did not dare he not running against him in 1912 that the chances for the republican party would split the democrat would win. why couldn't you wait? i think i know the answer in part he loves being at the center of attraction so much he could bear the knot of power. this is the part of him i leaf like even though i love the fact. his daughter allison said he wanted to be the bride at the wedding and the court and the corpse at the funeral. had he thought, had he been able to way he would've been president in 1916. he would've been the world war i later and got what he wanted to be the most romantic time, but

he couldn't wait. i would say why couldn't you wait? >> how about john kennedy. what would you like to know from him? >> wow, you know i guess this may put me back in the marriage counselor rue because i would say that the presidency is so exciting and it's the greatest job in the world and you've got such talent, why would you ever take a chance by having the them all visit these other women while you were president? it seems to me incomprehensible that it's not an adventure enough to be president. and yet he was an extraordinary fellow. i better stop. i'm about to defend him. >> you obviously would've been a great marriage counselor. so let's talk about lyndon johnson. how did you actually get a job working for him because most white house fellas don't work fo how did you actually get the work for him? >> there's no question that every part of my career as a

presidential historian goes back to lyndon johnson. when i was elected white house fellow we had a big band at the white house. there were only three women and 16 white house fellows that you are right he could have been assigned anywhere in the white house buddy whispered to me that night as he was twirling around the floor that he wanted to me to be assigned directly to him. it was not to be that simple for the months leading up to my selection. like many young people i have written an article against him which came out in the new republic because i was involved in the antiwar movement with a title how to remove lyndon johnson from power. [laughter] it came out two days after the dance of the white house so i was certain he would kick me out of the program but he said bring her down here for a year and if i can't win her over no one can. i did eventually end up working from in the white house not right away. i was persona non grata for a while and worked for the labor

department that once he resigned from the race and 68 he said okay you said i should be out of power now you have got to work with me. i knew that staying with him until his presidency was over. i saw him in the senate last years of his life when he knew his legacy had been cut into although he had done such great stuff for civil rights. he opened up to me in ways he never would have had i known him at the height of his power. he talked in the top 10 i listened and i listened and was the greatest experience in the world. half of the stories i discovered later were not true but they were great nonetheless. more importantly has developed a certain empathy because i have been so much a judge from the outside and i saw what it was like to be president today saw what it was like for the join us sadnesses and it made me forever onward try to look inside people that i would be studying from their point of view to understand what they were going

through rather than judging them from the outside in. that lesson learned from lbj i would like to believe made me a historian i eventually became. >> is it easier to write about people that you have never met are easy to write about someone actually matt? >> in some ways it was hard to write for lbj having met him but i want to be fair but i felt such a thank you of emotions about him. the more you knew him the more you wanted him to hopefully feel good about what you have written. i still have that antiwar feeling. when i was writing a book i knew there were parts of him. he was difficult character to be around and yet at some level i love the person that i got to know. i think there were lots more emotions involved in writing about him than other people. in a certain sense once i spent 10 years with abraham lincoln or seven years with teddy and taft for six years i feel like i'm

living with them. i'm speaking about them so that same sense of ideal intimacy and yet i have to withdraw myself so i can understand them and yet i want to be fair and yet i think the tangles have been there the whole time. that's a time. basso makes it so exciting. >> your book only get a team of rivals that god an enormous amount of attention i was made into a movie. the story i understand you were writing a book about lincoln and steven stoltenberg said i want an option option and he written a book given how wants to take to get the book finished? >> he was doing a documentary on the millennium of the century in 1999 and i met him along with other historians. he wanted to make a movie about lincoln so we found out i started on lincoln he said shake hands and i will have the first chance at this.

he did option it and while i was finishing chapters he puts to script writers on and they did a good job buddy wanted daniel day-lewis to be his lincoln and daniel didn't accept either one of those scripts until finally after i finish the book tony kirschner came on and wrote and daniel said yes i will be abraham lincoln. as soon as that happened steven called me and asked me to take dan ... springfield illinois to go to the link inside. he was coming incognito because they didn't want to announce that he was lincoln yet because he wanted time to become lincoln. he becomes the person. he was under an assumed name that he wanted to go to the bar. immediately someone came up to us and offered us drinks. they didn't recognize him. it was me they recognize. so we laughed and we laughed. anyway, we got through it and for an entire year he had me

send him books about clay and webster and the revolution and he went to richmond virginia to see the filming. he was no longer my friend daniel daniel which for a year had become lincoln. he couldn't talk to him as if he was daniel so i didn't get to see my daniel again until the awards ceremony started in the premiere. the first one in new york premiere he said we have to go low bar to celebrate remember the night before when he was just becoming lincoln. we have a couple of drinks i only had two and he had more than me which is an important part of the story. a few weeks later he's won his first award and steven gave him the award. incomprehensibly when steven gave him the reward he rejected a role so long in the family said yesterday was so great. daniel gets up and he says i don't project everything. when doris kearns goodwin asked

me to go binge drinking with her i accepted. [laughter] there was a "wall street journal" reporter there so there was a report in the paper the next day. here is this man walked away lincoln walked only because someone told us that he walked like a laborer at the end of our day. he had that sense of humor. he told the story. he was melancholy and he was deep and he was wise and i felt the link of any that come to life. >> your book covers much of lincoln's life. leave your surprise at the movie only covers four pages in the book on the 13th amendment? were you disappointed that only such a small part was was covered or did you think that was appropriate? >> on the contrary what happened when tony started he had 600 pages. then it got down to 500 pages. what they found and this is not something i could have found and

showed that official person has different than the wordy person that i am. they found a story within the story in the story is his political genius in getting the 13th amendment passed was the larger story that i have told about his political genius. the person i knew who was lincoln was there. the morality of him and that was what i cared about. it didn't matter that it wasn't this comment was this and i could never have thought of making it back but that was the genius of bushmen. >> he said there are more books written about lincoln than jesus christ, maybe 20,000 books on lincoln so what made you think you could write a book on lincoln that wouldn't say something somebody else didn't say and the team of rivals concept. >> to be honest when i started to write about lincoln it was terrifying because of the question you are asking. 20,000 books have now been written about him and i knew there were lincoln scholars that

i've met who spent their whole life on lincoln and i was a rookie going back to the 19th century. it was just because i wanted to live with him. because it takes me so long i have to want to like the person. i could never write about stalin or hitler. i would want to wake up with them in the morning and i knew i wanted to know abraham lincoln. i couldn't figure out how to have my own angle. at first i thought i would write about mary as had written about franklin and eleanor. there were so many books about him in many books about her so that partnerships during world war ii became the theme. as i started spending the first couple of years on mary and dave i realize she couldn't carry a big story the way on our day. luckily i went to stewart's houses secretary of state early in the research and it's a wonderful museum that is preserved everything about secretary of state seward's life. i began to get interested in him and i read his letters. his wife was away from

washington for a year so he wrote letter after letter. then i got interested in the other guys in the cabinet and eventually stanton and well somehow kept diaries and wrote letters. it was probably three or four years into it that i realized this is the story i can tell. his relationship with all these guys because they talk about him in a way that not everybody else has and they tell me every day what they felt about him and what they felt about each other. then team of rivals became the subject of the book. >> to president obama call you instead of an idea about the secretary of state air did he say your book influenced him? >> what did happen actually when he was running against hillary clinton but way behind her and 07 i got a cell phonecall. he said hello this is barack obama and i just read team of rivals and we have to talk. he wasn't talking about putting her in a cabinet. he was fascinated by lincoln's

emotional intelligence. how was he able to forgive stanton who was humiliated him when he was a young lawyer and bring them into his cabinet. how was he able to not let their resentments fester? >> talk about that in his senate office building so he had read the book and he read it again. what happened is when he finally won the nomination a reporter said to him what you really be willing to put in your inner circle a chief rival even if his or her spouse work and occasional pain? he then quoted lincoln and he said lincoln said this is a time of peril and i will do that. the lock was this is now many years after the book has come out that the term team of rivals became a term for what he had done. she teased me when i saw hillary right before the inauguration. she came up to me and said you are responsible for me being secretary of state. [laughter] >> when you write a book do you

go and do your research and then you write it later or do you do a little research and write and how do you do this? what's the process for you? >> it is research and write, research and write. when i was in college i wrote barbara toughs men's guns of knowledge and for me to read that incredible account of world war i by a female historian, she became my mentor in a way. she once wrote an essay that i took to heart when i started writing. she said you have to be careful when you're researching how to research too much or you will be paralyzed. you have to start writing is even a book on researching and she also said chronology is the spine of telling a story. i believe that. i think academics a lot of times can write a story but then they know so much that they stuff stuff into it that they only knew later. what she said is only tell the

story from the point of view of what the people that time knew. everything i write is chronological. i really can research the beginning and then write the beginning and research more and keep going until their lives come to an end. >> to you right in the daytime or igniter how do he do that? and then what you do to relax and how many pages can you write a? >> i wish i knew i could say that produced the research that takes most of the time. the link above 10 years of working it would have been six or seven in research compared to the writing. i love the early mornings are they used to be a night person when i was still single but once you have kids you can't be a morning person and a night person. luckily my husband doesn't wake up until 7:00 or 7:30. i wake up at five and i have two and a half hours before breakfast time. he is a writer that is just now

at e-book and it's a fabulous book about kennedy and johnson in the civil rights movement. he is writing in one part of vast and i'm writing in another. we work until 1:00 or so and then they go to lunch. we go to lunch in a timely live in and bring the newspaper which i try not to read in the morning because i just want that time. that may come home in iraq more until dinner and our relaxation of we are not going to the ballgame, we have season tickets to the red sox if i'm not going to ballgame asked to go to dinner where we have a couple of local bars, this is going to be the bar story. we have friends of ours who are kids grew up together. we have so many good friends there we sit there and relax and go to bed and start all over again. >> let's talk about this book. >> i got a terrible letter from a woman who said she was laughing the book when she was

reading it before she went to sleep in a fell nose and broke her nose. [laughter] >> well you know a few hundred pages. it's an excellent book of course, well researched and well-written and he don't want to put it down. why did you think the world needed another book on teddy roosevelt? there have been a lot of great books on teddy roosevelt and what was, where did the idea come from of doing it between taft and roosevelt the relationship? >> what happens is it's not when you start that you think the world might need another book about teddy. i could not have answered that question again at the start but i knew i wanted to live with him. i'd given a summoner when i was teaching at harvard about the progressive era and that time it interested me that wonderful era we have the robber barons at the turn of 20th century and the industrial revolution and you

have all those inventions that are happening to telephone in a telegram. as such an exciting era in yet it was also a difficult era because the gap between rich the rich and the poor was so great and you have people in slums. teddy roosevelt comes along as a republican understands he needs to get the government involved in softening the aspect of the industrial order. so i taught him that way in my course 20, 30, 40 years ago and i knew what a great character he was. i knew that was the one i wanted to go back to. when you go back to a person is not just bigger living with him or her but you are living in that era and i wanted to live in the era but once again there were so many good books on teddy. there was a great tillard -- trilogy so i could just do a biography. i was searching around for what can my new angle be and have found early on these letters between teddy and taft.

i knew they ran against each other but i had no idea how close a friendship that would develop between them from their early 30s. i guess i love human relationships of the idea that these two men for such intimate friends and eventually sadly ran against each other and felt betrayed and eventually came back, that story intrigued me. >> so teddy roosevelt grew up in a reasonably wealthy family but his father died young anthony married somebody he met in college and didn't marry someone he had known much longer. then his wife more or less after childbirth dies and at the same time his mother dies. he goes into a bit of the depression and then he moves out west. he abandons his daughter. and then he made a famous speech and nixon nixon later he said in a speech saying the life is gone out of my life when my wife died

yet he never again mention the wife to anybody in his life and didn't take his daughter back for a few years. how do you explain that? >> it's overly complicated relationship that teddy roosevelt have. when his father died when he was a sophomore at harvard he felt then that he couldn't go forwa forward. he said it was the man that i was closer to than anybody else in my life. he immediately got involved in things that we wouldn't have to think about it. unlike lincoln did when he lost his 10-year-old son willie felt that the best way to honor the lease life was to keep scrapbooks and every time somebody came and he would show the poems that willey had written. he would share stories about willie because he believed that you keep the data life by talking about them.

you have to keep moving forward and something bad happens and when his father died he got involved in activities and when his wife died he said they were like this, but my life. he goes the badlands and the summer course 14 hours a day and he said finally he could sleep at night because constant activity prevented over thought. then he did come back and eventually married and had a fulfilling marriage with his girlhood friend and loved her as much as he could about anybody. the little girl who was born alice, when his wife died a think represented the dead wife that he couldn't remember and didn't want to remember because he had to move forward. it's a terrible thing in some ways. he did give alice to assist or ban me for a while but it is the new wife brought her into the family. in his memoir he never mentioned alice's name. it's incomprehensible and just the opposite of somebody who

wants to believe that the more you talk about the people you loved the more you keep them alive. he just had to keep moving forward. he then said when he was ready to go for the roughriders experience and the spanish-american war, he loves edith so much that if she were on her deathbed he would have to go because i was his mission in life. so there's a hardness in him as well as the sentimental software that i could never quite figure out. >> he was a civilian and the spanish-american war goes forward and he volunteers to go down there and meet civilians. we don't have civilians doing that today. how did he happen to do that and what exactly did he do down there? the reputation he developed them it was a well-deserved reputation and. >> in those days he really did volunteer for the army and the

way the army was so much less a part of our lives and similarly the civil war a lot of those general started out being politicians and they became generals. he offered to raise a regiment which he did. he was under a general at the beginning but then eventually when he went up "the hill," he did show courage. there's no doubt about that. when he was a child he said he was afraid of everything and the only way to get away from the figure was to try and do the things you're afraid of. so they're marching up "the hill" and the spanish are on the top of "the hill." they are being mowed down by bullets because they are going too slow. he gets on his horse and he has a red bandanna and he moves the troops forward. he could've been the best target for the bullets and a journalist was there writing about it. he gets to the top and eventually they do overtake the spanish. there was raw courage there but it was also the fact that would touch the country was here are

these roughriders and there are cowboys and advice from the west indies harvard and yale elites. he brought together this motley group so he captured the imagination of the country. >> that helps him get elected governor but his party thinks he's a little bit too subtle and business so they promote him to being vice president under mckinley and then he becomes vice president but then what happens kletzky didn't enjoy being vice president he was thinking of giving it up in an what happened? >> he hated being vice president. he was going back to study law. he was so bored. while he was vice president. he said at the time he thought you were being put into a dead end. the vice president was not the stepping point towards the presidency. then of course mckinley shot on september 61901 and catapults and changes the whole trajectory of teddy's life. he becomes the thing he would have always wanted to be, the

youngest president of the united states. >> he becomes president at age 42. taft was at that time the governor of the philippines appointed by mckinley and he was doing a great job there but they had met before. they have bonded even though they were different. how did they develop a closer relationship when roosevelt was president and what did he do with taft in terms of bringing them back? >> what happened was when they were both in their 30s when taft was solicitor general and teddy was civil service commissioner they lived near each other. their wives do each other and their children were the same age. somebody described teddy walking with all this energy and big even then. so he was listening to teddy who was much shorter and much more energetic than he. they developed because they saw developed because the sun part in each of part in each other things they didn't have. taft signed teddy that fighting spirit he might have had. teddies on taft a person and a

person everybody loves the minute they met him. he was so kind and gentle and so good. when he did become governor general of the philippines the very job teddy wanted, teddy was so jealous that he would have given up the vice presidency to become governor general of the philippines. taft did a good job. they kept writing letters and he finally brings him back to his cabinet as secretary of war asus most important counselor and he becomes really the closest person to him during his presidency. when the time comes that they had to give up the presidency to teddy because he promised when he won in 1904 after having the first first term at the keynes first term of bachan landy once a second term which would have meant two full terms almost that he won't run again he said he would have cut out her tongue did not make that promise was so wanted to say no to. instead he had his successor taft groomed for the job. he runs the campaign and giving them advice. don't play golf. it doesn't look good to the

working class. don't get on the horse. you weigh 350 pounds and it's not good for the horse. incredibly the song at the time which makes no sense was get on a raft with taft. it would be a rather dubious proposition to get on a raft with taft. he was so happy when he won thinking this is my guy to carry out the legacy and then he goes to africa, comes back and begins to question whether taft was the right person to follow him. >> so he goes out for a year. he left his family for you to go to africa and then would he do in africa? >> he is shooting game. he had all these hobbies from the time he was young partly because he was asthmatic when he was young. he had more energy and vitality than anybody i had read about. he is collecting things for the smithsonian but mostly i think he went away because i'm he knew

we had to do something to take away a lot of the presidency. he knew that he had to somehow have excitement in his life and that's what africa represented. >> the muckrakers that you write about samovar others were very influential to roosevelt. he listened to them for advice and responded to them. they supported him but they turned on taft. do you think they're turning on taft is why he turned on taft? >> i think what happened is when teddy was president what he interested which is the one thing cap didn't understand which is that the presidency had to teddy to find a workable way pulpit to educate the country. it's the most important power in a way the president has. he would take train rides around the country six weeks in the spring in the fall. he talked in simple language to people. he said at my harvard buddies think i talked into folksy

language but i know i return. speak softly and carry a big stick. he even gave maxwell house the slope and into the very last drop. he was able with his relationship with the press to ignore him. he was so interesting and make it come into his office every day. he's answering their questions and they say the barber has to keep up with him moving around. he understood the press was important channel for him to reach the public. so he would read their article at a time. these investigative reporters would be able to criticize him. he would criticize them, very initial set of relationships which few politicians can have. there was a journalist who wrote about his rough rider experience saying he put himself at the center of every action. he should have called the book

alone in cuba. the journalist that i regret to tell you that my wife and my entire family loved her title for my book. now you only one. you have to come and meet me. so taft tried to carry out teddy's progressive legacy. he tried to get the tariff bill through katie tried to do with making laws that of teddy's executive orders on conservation but he never understood the public side. he hated giving speeches. he waited until the last minute to give a speech. he sometimes said things the wrong way. he didn't move the congress and didn't have the relationship of the press that he had. the presidency was drifting in the progressives for moving forward even further forward than teddy was at the time. it was both his desire to be back in office and feeling that he had to keep that pressure on the conservative ideology in the country that taft wasn't up to the job. >> he runs against him and he barely loses the republican

nomination. he decides to run as an independent on the newly formed bull moose party. while he is campaigning he is shot. somebody shoots right into his chest. he nonetheless go ahead and make the speech even though a bullet has been shot and it is lodged in him. why did he do that? >> is just part of him. the assassin did shoot him and it did go into his chest. they said he can get the speech. he said i have to give the speech. he goes into a green room and the doctor takes his clothes off. he has a big red spot of blood but he says i can still breathe and i know i'm okay. i can still breathe. he said he's going to give a to give the speech and he goes in and he takes the speech out of his pocket. it he was 50 pages, two-hour speech. he realized what he took it out of his pocket the bullet hole had gone through his speech and

it also gone through spectacle glass case which was the only reason he was not killed automatically. he says i can until i finish. he finally says okay take me to the hospital. he's been in the hospital for a weakening us to sustain the rest of his campaign. they thought he had a reaction to the shot but it was that crazy kind of courage that he showed that he felt compelled to do. >> he came in second at the election. woodrow wilson was elected in 1912. do you think that taft that gotten the republican nomination to roosevelt would beat wilson? >> is coming to think so. i think roosevelt was still so popular then that i think, guess i think for sure he would have because roosevelt and taft together got over 50% of the vote. i think it would have happened. the sad thing was because he did

this and you and i know about this. the guy that got soaked into my emotional head when i was writing this book was a man named archie budd who had been an aid for teddy before becoming a military aide for taft. again what you look for is an historian or letters and diaries. this guy wrote letters to his family every single day and the rotating antenna. he was despairing he stayed on taft and teddy thought that was fine at first and then when teddy started running against him he was torn into preview was so depressed depressed that he was beginning to lose its vitality. taft said he better take a vacation. you need to relax. he said okay i'm going to go for a while but i will be back. as it turns out when teddy announced that he was running against taft archie budd says i can't leave you now now. to have cisco now come iil