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>> >> this is his first book and we are very fortunate to have him here today because

he is soon to become a first-time dad's though the timing was just right. please welcome daniel schulman. [applause] >> thanks for having me here today it is an honor to be with you. i thought i would give you a picture of the political evolution of the koch family and you can grill me as much or as little as you want it seems that they exploded onto the seat following the election of broccoli, but many, many decades and of making i will take you back on the journey i went to through.

i found that to understand charles and david coke the place day cannes from ideologically requires me to understand their father. fred is the patriarch growing up in the panhandle of texas his dad was the newspaperman and a democrat. and ends up going to m.i.t. majoring in chemical engineering. into balance around the united states with oil refineries and in the mid 1920's to forms a partnership which is eventually called winkler koch engineering company.

when the first become prevalent there is a huge national thirst for gasoline. to develop a process for refining oil that takes more cassette of each barrel of oil. then they sell the process with of start will refineries. thises similar to the universal oil products which is basically composed of the major oil companies of that day. like john a. rockefeller's standard real empire. they don't take kindly to young fred koch handling this process and coaching one of their customers.

but they still fred relentlessly as well as his customers but it gets to the point where fred can no longer do business in the united states and has to look abroad for clients and this is his political awakening. his first customer is at times imphal on the russian revolution has occurred and it has been decimated. the soviets scour the globe for modern oil refinery technology america did not have omatic relations at that time. and to rebuff the soviets.

that they say they plan though worldwide revolution. so to get over misgivings of the soviets to enter into a $5 million deal by upgrading 50 refineries by treating dozens of engineers. for looking would it would be, but fred spends three months of the soviet union in the '30's and he is horrified by what he sees. later he is so plant of misery he writes. he returns home fowling whenever he can to stop the threat of communism.

and in 1958 he is among a select group of american businessmen and 72 in indianapolis five robert welch. and brought under the strictest secrecy and told not to even stay at the same hotel less they attract suspicion by the prominent businessmen are in one place. and then goes on to play a prominent role to become a national council member in wichita kansas to become a real hotbed which is where the koch family lives and

that was beginning earlier as the schoolteacher in texas the. society targeted her for the things said in her classroom at that time and that brought back memories about researching the book and how to take place in wichita at this time. went teachers were told to spy on their teachers and i remember i spoke to one schoolteacher that said she handed out the unicef collection boxes to students for halloween it was a huge source of controversy because the birch society was against the united nations and their motto was in reference to the united nations. so charles koch the second

of the brothers returns home to join in the of birch society as influential member. but he seems to take to it he finds the society down the store where he carries us section of an austrian economics. to give you an idea how die-hard they were about communism. installation of to the of palm in the '60s and he knocks on the door and his eyes flicker over the cover of the book and there's something wrong. finally he asks what is

said? did he respond politely hemingway was the confidence. so he has to leave this copy on the stoop because that is how serious they were about communism at that point. at this time taros and a number of other society members become interested in the anti-government activists. who created a libertarian retreat in the foothills of the mountain range of colorado. include a built-in friedman. and was a form of slavery.

and from the citizens the right set doriden strip to would not go to legitimize the concept of government. and then became a trustee of the freedom school and financial backer. as a committed pacifist he also rubbed off on charles cope. and that they should get out of the vietnam war. with the leadership of the john birch society had taken a position in support of the war and gently pushed under the purchase society and so

that free-market idea and for the of businessman as he is it is of a ragtag bunch. and to foster the development of libertarian ideas. to meet that intellectual capacity the decade is a to-do's the premiere libertarian think tank. he underwrites of group

which organizes on college campuses. but at that time libertarians were trying to reach out to white -- to the right and the left on the core issues to agree. that never quite worked out. but in addition chiral stars to find some of libertarian party. ended the 1980 elections he recruits his brother david as the vice-presidential candidate. and the philanthropy was started it at archaeological digs.

through the seven ages parties as the states in the hamptons. but there was the message behind this said the idea to run an koch on the ticket was to circumvent campaign finance laws. he reported of committed funds co-pay to get the party on the ballot in all city-state's to disseminate the message. they just wanted to get the idea is into people's minds. some of the election and said being a high point for libertarians never before had they got the word out as much as they did. but it also ends up being a low point. is often said they don't

agree on anything failed there right to disagree with each other and this is what took place during the election. there was a huge amount of competing factions including one die-hard who felt that david and his running mate had sold out libertarianism by diluting the message to not to freak people out with some of the policies they were advocating. the presidential candidate had defied it wants in this drove die-hard libertarians mad because it was not about low taxes but no taxes. so in the aftermath there is a huge crackup