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they are posted fairly quickly. talked about the fact that judges reviewed the video. that is not the practice. the judges may review the video if there is problem. if not, the video was posted. you can usually determined that there was a problem. >> let me ask a a series of questions. in essence, this is a judicial c-span somewhat. c-span is current and present. you don't posted until the next day. we are getting your name correctly. we thank you for your tolerance. in the bill i note that there is a protection for witnesses, blowing their
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particular faces. let me ask you this. i have heard an enthusiastic question. being question. being a lawyer and the champion of the first amendment, that wonderful first amendment and the recognition of the importance, the speech, unfettered speech. and then the whole judicial system. and then for witnesses to be heard as well. what comes to mind. the demonizing of a beautiful young lady because she happens to be different. what is your response to witnesses who may look differently, speak differently, people are
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across the country watching and even though this is just unfettered video, then it becomes and the open sphere that person, that innocent person, that beautiful young african-american woman became not have her own fault but doing her civic duty and demonizing her, inexcusable. >> i certainly believe that that was very unfortunate. i have always been a proponent of the fact that cameras and electronic coverage should be up to the discretion of the trial court judge. i don't think there should be a ban. i mean,, i judge needs to conduct his or her courtroom in the way he or she sees fit.
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make sure justice is fairly served. that is all i'm saying. it's unfortunate. it is not just broadcast anymore. leads to this mob mentality. >> i think the chairman for his indulgence. i i appreciate the question to fund the testimony. this is an important legislative initiative. you have indicated some protective measures. i hope that we can see the report. i am hoping that we we will have the opportunity to vigorously look at this in the legislation and make an important decision. i deal back. >> thank you, congresswoman.
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i think it is my turn to ask questions. the state and the federal level. i know what goes on in the federal courtroom. i am going to play a little bit of devils advocate here with the two of you and get your reactions. i have tried these cases in federal court, when the minor is involved in a case there is no -- nothing divulging who that minor is as far as the tv is concerned. agreement there? >> consistent with our privacy policy now in terms of written. minors are identified by initials, not names. >> i certainly think that is true. for the most part in cases where the media does cover these trials, if that is what is indicated by the
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judge. follow along with those guidelines. >> i am particularly concerned about a victim. i prosecuted cases concerning sex traffic teefive's sex trafficking of minors. >> i think in much the same way as the media often does not report the name of the victim. you would not show their identity. >> do you have a distinction whether the proceedings concern testimony, demonstrative evidence or appellate oral argument? do you draw a distinction between the two? >> again, the circuit court of appeal can can make the decision. corporate bodies individually mother to allow for cameras in the courtroom there are their are different concerns, many more at the trial court level.
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>> this is probably rhetorical. from what i have seen there is no money allocated for this. who is going to pay for it? >> taxpayers. >> well, i would argue argue that if the media were allowed to cover these cases it would be their costs, not the court. >> who is going to be for lack of better term, and i don't mean to be facetious, facetious, who is going to be the director? take control and film, or is the judge now going to have the responsibility of being the director? >> the concern and the reason is that we want to be in control of the equipment. if you are talking about a live broadcast once it's out of the tube it's out of the tube. tube. it takes resources, labor, someone monitoring equipment >> i think there is
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certainly ways to make sure that the jury is not recorded. in the oj trial, for example, the camera was mounted on the wall. there was no way to look down at all. there was no inadvertent. certainly as a photojournalist,, this person doesn't get recorded, that's what that means. >> do i correctly assumed that neither one of you -- certainly you are not. i you saying that you do not want to have an individual coming into the courtroom with his or her own camera and photograph? >> there need to be rules and decorum. i cannot imagine, just as in those trials of the century, the lindbergh baby when you have photographers literally running around the courtroom
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that is not what we are talking about. in this day and age where everybody has got a phone and a camera, i am am not suggesting that everyone sit there and recorded. >> but i do not here you saying that you agree with what i am reporting here, that the court cameras are the only cameras in the courtroom and the judge controls them. do you not agree with that? >> i have a problem with that. >> what do we do -- my time is running out. once these digital recordings are released, now what is going to happen when the public gets a hold of it? the comedians on late-night tv get a hold of it, someone out there who has the ability and it is easy today , my kids teach me how
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to do it,, taking that video and altering it and putting it out on youtube? >> honestly, we have no control of any of that. but to suggest that because that is a problem, there is value in the public having a right to record a proceeding or having access, i should say. that is one of the risks. >> i think their will always be a parade. no matter what we do, no matter how far we try and think this ahead there we will be an issue. >> i agree with my friend. we have the best legal system in the world. i would hate to see it be ridiculed. with that i thank you very much for your testimony today. it has been helpful to all of us.
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this concludes today's hearing. thanks to all of our witnesses and those attending. all members will have five legislative days to submit additional questions for the witnesses. this hearing is adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> next on teewun, pope francis speaking to the european parliament followed by former senate leaders on the issues facing congress. later, sen. jay rockefeller of west virginia giving his farewell address on the senate floor. >> on our next washington journal richard berry looks
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at white house efforts to reform police department after ferguson. then her new book locked in locked out examining the us prison system. taking phone calls, facebook, facebook comments, and tweets all on washington journal. >> friday a look at north and south korea. impacting north impacting north korea and what it is like to report on north korea. live coverage starting at 1:45 p.m. eastern. recently retired as abc news white house correspondent on her over 40 years covering the white house and the administrations of gerald ford through barack obama.
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came and interrupted the president. i wrote it down. nobody interrupts a president. he stood and said that he had to go and then we heard or discovered that it was two planes down, two plane crashes in new york. came out to the pool, now out in the parking lot. stay right here. the president will come talk to the pool. number there are live cameras in the cafeteria. he did not want to scare the children. he said it is an apparent terrorist said it is an apparent terrorist attack and i must return to
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washington. the pentagon was it. >> it. >> sunday night at 8:00 o'clock eastern and pacific on c-span q&a. >> last month pope francis spoke to the european parliament. topics included transparency in politics, human rights, and combating extremism. combating extremism. his remarks or 45 minutes. [applauding]
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[speaking in native tongue] >> translator: your holiness francis, esteemed colleagues , ladies and gentlemen, 26 years ago pope john paul ii addressed the european parliament. his speech was a milestone in the beginning of the process of reunification. pope francis addressing a european parliament. in the members represent the diversity and the variety of
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europe. under manikin unparalleled crisis, particularly dramatic in their institutions, both the national and european level. however, with that confidence and trust no institutions can persist on a permanent basis. therefore the cooperation is required in order to regain that trust and that confidence. the concerns of the european union and its institutions and those of the catholic church to a large extent proceed, the values of tolerance, respect, equality , frivolity, part
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and parcel of our comment task. stands for standing together, being together. difficulty in finding a job and finding their place in society. looking for a future for themselves and for their children. people are looking to the institutions for protection, social justice. the opportunities the opportunities in life, the situation of our people and our societies, peace and war , the neighborhood of the european union. we union. we are facing common challenges, shared challenges. your holiness, your words have tremendous significance, not just
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because you are the religious leader among billions, your words have significance and meaning because they address all of us, they speak to all of us, they are attracted and the rest to all of us and are valid for all the. in that sense universal. provide a guide. integrity and shared responsibility for fellow men and women. all of these things remind this very forcibly. we are stronger united than we are taken separately. your message is a very european message. the very idea which informed
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european unification. the back story is europe's back story. start a new homeland. the history came from the other side and is come from their to reform the church and to lead the faithful. can help your to renew itself and to reform itself. on behalf of all of my colleagues can i say that you are welcome here and thank you for taking up our invitation. it is an honor and indeed a privilege to be able to listen to your words today. your holiness, pope francis,
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you have the floor. [applauding] >> president to. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: mr. president, vice president, members of the european parliament, all of your working in various capacities, thank you for
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inviting me to address this institution, which is fundamental to the life of the european union. and i thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak through you to the more than 500 million citizens in the 28 member states and especially grateful to you, mr. president for your warm words of welcome in the name of the whole house. more than a quarter of a century after that, a great a great deal has changed since then in europe and in the whole world. they are no longer opposing blocs which then divided the
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continent into and gradually it is realized that your will one day reach the full dimensions that geography and even more history have given it. as the european union expanded, the world itself has become more complex and ever-changing increasingly interconnected and global, less and less eurocentric. despite a larger and stronger union, europe gives the impression of being aged and weary, feeling less and
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less a protagonist in a world which frequently looks on it with aloofness, with mistrust, and even at times with suspicion. i would like as a pastor to offer a message of hope and encouragement to all the citizens of europe. a message of hope based on the confidence that our problems can become powerful forces for unity in working to overcome all those fears together with the entire world. the message of hope and the lord. but the message of encouragement to return to the firm conviction of the founders of the european union who wanted a future based on the capacity to work together and bridging divisions and him proctoring piece in between all the peoples of this continent.
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at the at the heart of this ambitious political project was confidence in man. not so much man has citizens or as economic agent but in man, men and women has persons in drought with transcendent dignity. stress the close bond that exists between these two worlds, dignity and transcendence. dignity was the keyword and proposes the rebuilding which follows the second world war. protects human dignity in contrast to the manifold instances of violence and discrimination which even europe occurred over the centuries. recognition, the importance of human rights came about as the result of a long
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process entailing also a great deal of suffering and sacrifice which helped shape an awareness of the unique worth of each individual human person. awareness was grounded not only an historical events but above all and european thought. characterized by an enriching encounter coming from greece and rome and celtic and from christianity which profoundly shapes them without slowing the very concept. today the promotion of human rights is central to the commitment of the european union to advance the dignity
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of those within the union ended its relations with other countries. countries. this is an important and praiseworthy commitment because their are still too many situations in which human beings whose configuration, utility can be programmed and who can then be thrown away. because they are weak, sick, or old. what kind of dignity can their be without the possibility of freely expressing one's once thought were expressing without limit one's religious faith, what dignity can their be without a clear framework which limits the rule of law's and enable the rule of law to
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prevail over the power of tyranny? what dignity can there ever be if men and women are subjected to all kinds of discrimination? what dignity can a person ever hope to find when he or she lacks food or the bare essentials for survival and worse yet does not have the work which confers dignity? [applauding] of the persons means recognizing that he or she possesses inalienable rights which no one may take away arbitrarily much less for some economic interests sake at the same time however care must be taken not to fall into certain areas which can arise from a misunderstanding of the concept of human rights and from its paradoxical misuse.
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there yesterday a tendency to climb ever broader, and, and i am tempted to say individualistic rights, and underlying this is the conception of the human person detached from all social and ecological context. increasingly unconcerned with other surrounding. the equally essential and complementary concept of beauty no longer seems to relate to such a concept of rights. as a result the rights of the individual are upheld without regard to the fact that each human being has a a social context in which his or her rights and duties are bound up with
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those of the others and with the common good of the society itself. so i think to develop today a culture of human rights which intelligently links the individual or rather the personal dimension to the dimension of the common good , the dimension of all of us made up of individuals and families and intermediate groups who together constitute society. unless the rights of each individual are harmoniously subordinated to the greater good of those rights will end up being considered limitless and consequently will become a source of conflict and the violence. human dignity, appealing to to human nature, our innate capacity to distinguish good from evil and to that compass be equal in our heart. above all it means regarding human beings not as
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absolutes but as beings in relation. one of the most common diseases in europe, if you ask me today is the loneliness, the loneliness of those who have no connection with others. this is especially true of the old door often abandons to their fate and the young who lacked lack clear points of reference and opportunity for the future. it can also be seen in the many poor who live in our cities under the last days of the migrants. ..
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as a result the great ideas which once inspired europe seemed to have lost their power of attraction, and been replaced by the bureaucratic mental idea
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of the institutions. comes with this certain selfish lifestyles, marked by an opulence which is no longer sustainable. [applause] >> translator: and which is indifferent to the world around it, and especially to the poorest. to her dismay, we see technical and economic questions dominating political debate. to the detriment of any genuine concern for human beings. human being risks being reduced to a mere cog in a machine that treats them as items of consumption, to be exploited, with the result that as is so tragically apparent, whenever human life no longer proves
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useful is it discarried in the case of the terminally ill,, and the children who are killed before they're born. [applause] >> translator: this is the great mistake that happens when technology is allowed to take over. the result is a confusion between ends and means. it's the inevitable consequence of a throw-away culture and uncontrolled consumerism. if on the other hand we uphold the dignity of the person, that means we're acknowledging the value of human life.
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which is freely given and cannot be an object of trade or of commerce. and you as members of parliament, are called to a great mission, which may at times seem an impossible one. to tend to the needs fragilitf individuals and peoples. to tend to those in immediate need, it takes strength and tenderness, takes effort and generosity in the midst of a functionalistic and private mindset. which inexorably leads to this throw-away culture. to okay for individuals and people in need means protecting memory and hope. it means taking responsibility for the person with its
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situations of marginalization and anguish and incapable of bestowing dignity upon that. how can hope be restored in the future? so that beginning with the younger generations, there can be a return of that confidence that is needed to pursue the great ideal of a united and peaceful europe. a creative and resourceful europe, one that is respectful of rights and conscious of itself duties. to answer that question, i'm going to use an image, one of the most famous frescoes in the vatican, depicts the school of athens. in the center are plato and aristotle. plato is pointing to the sky, to
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the world of ideas to heaven, as one might say. aristotle holds his hand out in front of him, towards the viewer, towards the world, towards concrete reality. i think it's a very vast image of europe and europe's history, made up of the constant interplay, as it is, between heaven and earth, or heaven indicates openness to the transcendent to god, which distinguishes the peoples of europe, and reflects the concrete ability to face situations and problems. the future of europe depends on the recovery of the vital connection, the inseparable connection between these two elements. a europe which is no locker open to the transcendent dynamic of life is a europe which risks slowly losing its own soul, and
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that humanistic spirit which it yet loves and defends. taking as a starting point this opening to the transcendent, i would like to reform the centrality of the human person, which otherwise is at the mercy of the fashions and the powers of the moment. i consider fundamental, not only the legacy that christianity has offered in the past, to the social and cultural formation of the continent, but also, and above all, the contribution which christianity has to offer today, and in the future, to europe's growth. that contribution doesn't represent a threat to the second alert of state -- secularity of the states or the independence of the union but rather an enrichment to them. this is clear from the ideals
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which shaped europe from the beginning, such as peace, reciprocal and respect for the dignity of the human person. so i should like to reiterate the ready unless of the holy see and -- to engage in a meaningful, open, and transparent dialogue. with the europeanon. i'm likewide convinced that europe which is capable of appreciating its religious roots and grasping their fruitfulness and their potential, will be all the more able to resist the many forms of extremism which are spreading in today's world. not least as a result of the great vacuum of ideals which
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we're currently seeing in the west, since it is precisely forgetfulness of god and his failure to give him glory which gives rise to violence. [applause] >> translator: i cannot say in this connection how many instances of injustice and percent indication which daily afflict minorities, particularly christians in various parts of the world. communities and individuals are today subjected to barbaric acts of violence. they are driven away from their homes homes homes and native lands, sold as slaves, killed, beheaded, crucified or burned alive, amid the shameful and complicit silence of many. [applause]
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>> translator: the motto of the european union is, united in diversity. but unity doesn't mean uniformity of political, economic, and cultural life, or of ways of thinking. in point of fact, all real unity draws from the rich diversities which make it up, and in a sense it's like family, which is all the more enewted when each of its members is free to be fully himself or herself without fear. i consider europe as a family of peoples who will sense the closeness of the institutions of the union when these institutions are able wisely to
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combine the design ideal of unity with the diversity proffererred to each people, cherishing particular traditions, acknowledging past history, and its roots, liberated from the many manipulations and the many phobias. affirming the centrality of the human person means, above all, allowing that person to express freely their individuality and their creativity, both as individuals and as peoples. at the same time, the specific features of each person represent an authentic richness to the degree that they're placed at the service of all. so it needs to be remembered the proper con fission racing of the european union -- that mutual
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assistance can prevail and progress can be made on the basis of mutual trust. you, ladies and gentlemen of the european parliament, bear the responsibility of keeping democracy alive for the peoples of europe. it's no secret that a conception of unity seen as uniformity strikes at the vitality of the democratic system, weakening the interplay of organizations and political parties. this leads to the risk of living in a world of ideas, of mere words of images, of sophies industry, and to end up confusing the reality of
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democracy. keeping democracy alive in europe requires that we avoid the many globalizing trends that dilute reality. angelic purism, eight cal systems with no -- ethical system us with no kinding in and intellectualism with no wisdom. keeping democracies alive is a challenge at this historic moment. the two strengths of our democracies are -- the political will of the people must not by allow to collapse under the pressure of multinational interests which are not universal, which weaken them and turn them into uniform systems of economic power at the service of unseen empires.
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this is one of the challenges which history places you before today. to give europe hope, means more than simply acknowledging the centrality of the human person. it also implies nurturing the gift of each man and woman. it means investing in individuals, and in those settings in which their talents are shaped and flourish. certainly that of education, beginning with the family, the fundamental cell and most precious element. the family united, fruitful and insoluble, possesses the elements which are fundamental for fostering hope in the future. without this solid basis, the
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future ends up being built on sand, with dire social consequences. it's also important that stressing the importance of the family should mean not only helping to give direction and hope to new generations, but also to many of the old, who often have to live alone and abandoned because there's no longer the warmth of a family home. that can accompany and support them. alongside the family there are the various educational institutes, schools and universities, education cannot be limited to providing technical expertise alone. it should encourage the more complex person of assisting the home burn to grow into -- human person to grow into
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histotallity. young people today are looking for complete education that can enable them to look to the future with hope rather than disenchantment. there is so much creative potential in europe in the various fields of scientific research, some of which are yet to be fully explored. we need alternative sources of energy, the development of which will greatly assist the protection of the environment. [applause] europe has always been in the van van van -- vanguard efforts to promote ecology. our needs constant concern and care and attention. each of us has a personal responsibility to care for this creation, this precious gift,
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which god has entrusted us. this means on the one hand that nature is at our disposal to enjoy and to use properly. but it also means that we are not its masters. we are stewards but not masters. we need to love and to respect nature, but instead we are often guided by the pride of domination, of possession, of manipulation, and of exploitation. we don't preserve the earth. we don't respect it. we don't consider it as a freely given gift we should be looking after. respect for the environment, however, means not just not destroying is. also means using it for the good, and thinking above all
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here of agriculture, which provides sustenance and fewer richment. it's intolerable that millions die of hunger will ton of thrown each day are thrown away from our tables. [applause] the strength and nature also means recognizing that man himself is a fundamental part of nature, look with an environmental -- along with an environment ecology, there's also need for human ecology, consisting in respect for the person and that's what i've tried to evoc in addressing you today. the second area in which people's talents flourish is that of work. it's time promote policies which
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create employment but above all, there's a need now to restore dignity to work, by ensuring proper working conditions. this imflies -- [applause] -- this implies on the one hand finding new ways of combining market flexibility and the need for the stability and security of workers that are indispensable for their human development. it also implies a suitable social context, not the exploitation of persons but to ensuring, through labor, that they can create a family and bring up their children.
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needs to be a united response to question of migration. we cannot allow the mediterranean to become a vast graveyard. [applause] the boats landing daily on your showers are filled with men and women who need acceptance and assistance. they have mutual support in the european union runs the risk of encouraging particularistic solutions to this problem. solutions which don't take into combat the human dignity of the migrant and thus contribute to slave labor and continuing social tensions. europe will be able to confront
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the problems associated with immigration only if it is capable of clearly asserting its social identity and ebb acting proper legislation that protects at the same time the rights of the european citizens and ensures the acceptance of immigrants. only if it is capable of adopting affection courageous, and realistic policies which can assist the countries of origin in their development and efforts to resolve internal conflict, rather than adopting policies motivated by self-interest which increase and feed such conflicts. we need to act on the causes and not only on the effects. [applause]
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>> mr. president, ladies and gentlemen, awareness of one's own identity is also necessary for a positive dialogue to occur with the states which have asked to be part of the union in the future. i think especially of those in the balkans, for which membership of the european union could be a response to their desire for peace, in a region which is greatly suffered from conflicts in the past. awareness of one's own identity is also indispensable to relations with other countries, particular his those bordering the mediterranean, many of which are suffering from internal conflict from the pressure of'll fundamentalism and from that of global terrorism. you, as legislators, have the
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task to protect and nurture europe's identity so that its citizens can experience renewed conversation in the institutions of the union and in its project of peace and friendship that underlies the union. knowing that the more the power of men and women increases, the greater is their individual and collective responsibility, i encourage you to work so that europe rediscovers the best of itself. second century wrote that christians are to the world what the soul is to the body. the function of the soul is to support the body to be its conference and historical memory. a 2,000-year-old history links europe and christianity.
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it is a history not without conflict and error, but one constantly driven by the desire to work for the good of all. we see this in the beauty of our cities and even more in the beauty of the many works of charity and constructive cooperation throughout this continence. -- throughout this continent. this is a history in large part still to be written it's our present, and it's also our future. it's our identity. europe urgently needs to recover its true features in order to grow as its founders intended, in peace and harmony. so that it can be itself, and since it is not yet free of conflicts. members of the european
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parliament, the time has come to build a europe, a europe which evolves not around the economy but around the sacred nature of the human person. [applause] >> and inalienable rights. [applause] >> and building a europe consecutive courageously embraces its past and confidently looks to its future in order fully to experience the hope of itself present. the time has come for us to abandon the idea of europe, fearful and self-absorb evidence, in order to provide a repository of science, art, music, human values, and faith, a europe which looks to the heavens and pursues ideals, a europe which -- which protects every man and woman, europe which moves on safe ground, a
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precious point of reference for all humanity. thank you. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause]
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[applause] [applause] applause [applause] >> translator: thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. i thy think your applause illustrates that pope francis has reached many, perhaps all of
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us, and i would like to express our thanks to him for his speech , for this great encourage: i think what you have said, pope francis, encourages us on a path that the european union has been on and leads to a good future if held together and you gave us good sign posts and i would like to thank you on behalf of the entire european parliament. and would say if you are a person who gives guidance in a time where we have lost our compass and we are eternally grateful you have come here and have spoken to us, and thank you for attending and for applausing his holiness, and i think that
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we have many jobs in common, and if we heed the words of pope francis, that would be good. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause]
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friday, house democratic leader nancy pelosi briefs reporteres on the democratic priorities for the end of the year and the incoming 114th 114th congress. live coverage at 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. >> friday, a look at north and south korea with panels on how south korea's growing economy is impacting north korea and what it's like to report on north korea. we'll bring you live coverage starting at 1:45 p.m. eastern here on c-span2.
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>> today, former senate majority leader trent lott, and former senate democratic leader tom daschle talked about issues in congress, including the affordable care act, immigration policy, eric garner decision, and the need for bipartisanship in congress. this event is an hour. hosted by the christian science monitor. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you for coming, everyone. i'm dave cook for the "christian science monitor." our guest are affiliate with the
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bipartisan policy center, tom daschle, trent lott, and jason grume. leader daschle was a guest speaker at the 241st and final break fast as host. the senator visit nine times before that. he is a graduate of south dakota state university, served as an intelligence officer in the air force, was a senate staffer, and won election to the u.s. house in 1978, and to the senate in '86. he became democratic leader in '9 4, serving twice. he left in the senate in 2005 and is now founder and ceo of the daschle group, a public policy adviseory, did i get that all out? >> perfect. >> senator lott managed to avoid appearing at one of our gatherings during his long and successful career. not for want of trying on our
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part, i might say bump we're glad to be able to rectify that today. senator lott as graduate of the university of mississippi and the university of mississippi law school after practicing law he moved to washington to become a congressional aide and was elected to the u.s. house in 1972. in time to serve on the house judiciary committee during impeachment proceedings against richmond nixon. he was elect house minority whippin' 1981, and in 198 was elected to the senate and served four term. he was senate republican whip in 1995 and majority leitner 20082006. he left the senate to -- the firm was purchased in 2010 and he is now senior counsel. jason grume earned his bachelor
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degree from brown university became the 1,988th national collegiate debate champion. has a law degree from harvard in 2009 he founded and directed in the national commission on energy policy. in 2007 he cofounded the bipartisan policy center, along with former senate majority leaders baker, daschle, dole, and mitchell. he is president of the bipartisan policy center and author of the new book "city rivals: restoring the glorious mess of american democracy." despite extra fee would if hey held up the group. now on to the morning's mechanics. our thanks to the ceo, helping ensure this geezer survives another year on the monitor payroll. we're on the record here. please no live blogging or tweeting or no feeling of any kind while the breakfast is underway to give us a chance to
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listen to what our guest says. no embargo when the session ends. to help you rezest that relentless selfie urge we'll e-mail pictures to the session to all reporters here as soon as the breakfast ends. if you want to ask a question, pries send me a subtle nonthreatening signal and i'll happily call on one and all in the time we have. we'll offer our guests to make opening comments and then we'll move to questions. thank you for doing this. we appreciate it. >> well, it's nice be here, always good to see our friends from anga. all i'll suggest is that the system is bone-crushingly gridlocked and it will stay that way if we just continue to play by the same rules. i think our views at the bipartisan policy center is that the rules are going to

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