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area. it's left of the opposition on the syrian middle-class will all be destroyed. so i will just ask you is preventing the fall of the and at penetration priority? we want to be clear on what the authorities are to conduct military action and serious. we are acting pursuant to the government to the un security council to protect them against isil. the connections are focused on isil. where isil is operating in these areas i can assure you that my colleagues are looking closely at what we can do against isil. on the situation, we are very focused on what we can do. that's why we have made about four trips to turkey over the
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last few months and the focus of the conversation is how we might be able to work together to begin to improve the situation there. we are obviously doing a number of things in the opposition in the areas that i cannot discuss here. but all i can do is assure you that we are very focused on the situation and looking at ways to allow them to hold the line. it is north, just south of the turkish border within the city in and the surrounding areas and it isn't so much. but what we are focused on in the kinetic action is action as their targets and they can be very hard to find, but we are looking at it very closely in the conversation with turkeys specifically focused on this question.
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we have these dialogs back in february. city by city by city, the call went out by the members in congress and by others who have experienced if isis wasn't hit while they were on the ground, yet it would fall and it did and it took the central bank. still, no action and no discussions. yet we see the last major stronghold for the serious middle-class trying to hold off on that one front, and we still cannot seem to see a policy that will rescue the city and whether
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it is a strategic objective to try to hold against all of the city come of the response we get is we are still trying to decide. we could still be trying to decide after we have lost the ability to reverse what is going on in serious. just as we lost that ability to reverse what was going on in western iraq because we get into targets prior to then taking those mosul. >> enter up to me if i've got this wrong but you're not saying that the resolution of the iraq he government gives the administration legal authority to deploy the troops. you are relying on the various authorization to use the military force. it's also my understanding that the interpretation is that they ought to authorize the efforts
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that you've taken against all qaeda and that you've taken against isis for just a continuing splinter in one of the many streams and al qaeda. do i have that right? >> i wasn't asking about the international. it is what is legally binding in the and the law of congress. >> and you are not claiming that the un actions or the iraqi actions give you authority under the war powers act. >> i'm saying that the situation is a very confusing one. our ability to look closely at what is happening is in the fact that we are fighting all the way from the gulf. so the time is limited and our focus right now is on isil. >> the investor was asking about the legal position in the the administrative james authorization to use force and you're telling me how difficult it is to bomb.
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you're not going to answer my question, so i want to go on to another question. we have been pushed around by this government. we saved it and you pointed out that they would have taken baghdad if it hadn't been for us. they are terrorizing the folks at camp liberty without the violation of not only the u.s. preferences but international law. they aligned themselves with iran have aligned themselves with iran with the air force carrying out the attack in the operations over iraq and the ground forces operating on the ground in conjunction with the iraqi forces. sometimes the folks at the upper level don't focus that much on the money of the taxpayers. we are giving this a tremendous amount of aid to iraq whereas it is my understanding that iraq is
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still paying and acknowledges its debt to saudi arabia and kuwait for tens of billions of dollars borrowed by saddam hussein. is iraq still making payments to saudi arabia on that debt and those that care for them in the position where instead of paying for that we have to give it to them for free? >> as i mentioned we face a very serious fiscal crisis and that they are facing a -- >> they faced the crisis in part because they honor the debt to saudi arabia and kuwait run up by saddam hussein. i've never gotten a straight answer out of the state department. i figured i'd try. >> payments are mandated by the chapters of immunity to the council resolution.
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they can do about a billion dollars a month. iraq is obligated to pay those funds. >> they are payments on saddam hussein's data. >> they are the gulf war reparations that they are about a billion dollars a month. >> i'm not talking about the reparations. i'm talking about the money that is borrowed to carry on the war against iran. the promissory notes and bonds. >> they resist paying as you know the debt because they know that the iraqi government considers themselves a victim of saddam hussein which is true. but they haven't renounced that. we haven't urged them to renounce the debt. stack it's one thing to ask the creditor to please spare up the note and it is another thing to stand behind the debtor to say
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in effect we don't know the money and we are not going to pay. >> we are doing everything we can to help the iraqis preserve the fiscal resources. >> does that stand up to saudi arabia and kuwait and avoid this debt to carry on the war against iran lacks >> we are in very good discussions with them. you're talking about completely different payments. >> they are limited in their ability to fund these things. >> and i hope for the record that he will brief us on what you have done to push the iraqi regime to honor its obligations to the residents of camp liberty. >> i would be happy to come up and give you a briefing on that. unfortunately the new iraqi
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government has been in place for 100 days and i think we are making some progress but i would be happy to brief you on that. >> we will go now to the ranking member. >> thank you mr. chairman for your good work. thank you for calling this important hearing. though the military operation is focused in the middle east by the terrorist group spans the globe to recent reports indicate that it is recruiting more than a thousand fighters every month and they are streaming into syria and iraq from north africa and the gulf, the u.s. and other nations and most are returning to their home countries. just as the threat spans the globe, so must the coalition be responding to this thread and the good news is more than 60 countries have joined the coalition. together we are cracking down the terrorist financing stemming
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the flow of foreign fighters and crediting the violent ideology providing military support to our partners and addressing the grave humanitarian crisis that has left many without homes or families in a significant number including several european countries are australia, canada and a number of partners that have worked alongside of the u.s. military to target isis. we are making progress but we are nowhere near stamping out this threat and i hope today we can discuss what strategy will get us closer to that goal. i want to just say mr. ambassador a few areas that i think are especially critical, first of all we need a global coalition it's critical that we engage with the local partners, iraqi, serious and occurred since the cooperation is essential to ensure the u.s. doesn't bear a disproportionate share of the burden. for years i supported a program to train and equip the moderate syrian opposition which can serve as those on the ground in
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serious. congress voted overwhelmingly to get the program off the ground and i look forward to hearing about the status of this effort. we need to state there is no future and seeing it go is a top priority and the interest and the goal of the united states simply don't align with iran. the site of the dictator is responsible for the tens of thousands of syrians and we also have a horrific picture is local to spoke of the domestic debate coach damascus in this eerie and army defector. they are also a magnet for extremism and the conflict in serious and iraq will never end as long as he remains in power, courtesy of iran and the proxy and has the law. the role of the situation and get the parties are unmatched. i understand that the american people are not worried that getting involved in the conflict halfway around the globe. i feel the same way.
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we want to bring our men and women held in another reason we are working with local partners. i firmly belief that the u.s. doesn't lead the way as a champion of the values and no one else will. we deleted the world in which all people are free to decide their own futures and there are times in the pending and advancing the fishing require difficult choices and sacrifice. we didn't asked for this conflict that we cannot ignore it so we look forward to the testimony and i want to ask my first question about iran. they also wanted to defeat isis but the reports indicate that the jets were targeting in iraq. one involvement is iran both on
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the air and in the ground and how it is revolved into fighting and how we can prevent our best intentions in iraq from an empowering iran that has already happened once if we don't want it to happen again. there is no question that iran is playing a role in iraq. we have said every country in the world has a role to play in defeating isil. the question is whether they will do it constructively in the sovereignty or the destructive way that undermines the sovereignty. some of what we are seeing right now in terms of the militia is is not only problematic in terms of what we are seeing, but it's also problematic i know to the new government and to any armed group operating outside of the structures of the iraqi state. the government has a commitment
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to reaffirm their countries last month in brussels to assure that all armed groups are operating under the structures of the iraqi state and that is something that the government will be working on. but in the total collapse, there is no question that the militia and some groups filled that vacuum and they've played a role in it and it's something that the new government will have to begin to work on. >> ..
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you don't mention it ran even a single time, yet the regime clearly has a role it is playing in iraq su gestated. prime minister abadie has claimed no knowledge of the recent airstrikes, but her rant has that it did carry them now. so who currently controls the airspace in iraq given the iraqis don't have efficient capabilities and if no coordination had taken place in the arabian's without coordinating permit didn't arent violate iraqi airspace. will there be repercussions from not. as we continue talks, we ignore violations that iran continues to make as it takes place, will this be a violation of her rare
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that we turn a blind eye to? the secretary has called a rainy in action in iraq against isil as positive despite the fact that tehran's incessant meddling in baghdad and its sectarian tension in iraq and in syria has played a large part in the rise of isil. is it ministrations you that having a shiite iran from what the world's foremost supporter of terrorism in spite of our nuclear talks invade iraqi airspace to attack sunni isil, does the administration view this as a positive development? to testify it is our goal, not that it's an absolute necessity to find a future in syria that does not include isil or assad and we rely on moderate rebels
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to defeat them both and usher in a political settlement. will the assad as they are and what they've been so well financed, how will a group of rebels be able to defeat them both and what would they need in order to accomplish that goal? he administration doesn't have a comprehensive policy to deal up all the threats in iraq in syria interrater nor does it seem to want one. these are realistic plans that can truly destroy isil, can defeat abu strut and defeat the assad regime. we have it egon the train and equip mission and we are about a year away from standing the minimal force up if ever at all. is that the case? where are we with that mission, sir? >> what we address your question. i did focus on the concern about the militias are prime minister bodies to read at all or groups
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up in the structures of the state. i also focused on the desired this new government to have strategic independence and its arab neighbors and it isn't happening over the last few years. iran is the fact you rack. we have to look at a map to see the 1500 corridor border. as we speak right now -- >> would you >> would you say that durand violated a iraqi airspace? >> i have to defer to my colleagues about what happened there. >> if they did, would there be any consequences for that violation, once many? >> it is up to the iraqi government to control its own airspace. as he said, they lack the assets in their spaces. i was for the f-16 program moving forward. iraqis have piloted and we are working with jordan to have some temporary basis before the bases in iraq is ready. >> if i could in a few seconds
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we have left on syria, what is the latest with the train and equipment should that doesn't see with come very far. >> as you know, title x that dod program in my colleagues can give your substantial briefing on that. general allen and i have been to some of the host countries such as turkey, qatar and saudi arabia in getting the sites up and running. we hope to progress the congress is making this the wickedness programs novenas early as march. >> is it the administration's view that assad must go. does that mean he must be removed from power or are you saying he should not have a future in syria? >> we're focused on a political transition process. there's two political tracks going on right now. one is led by the u.n. special representative looking at a bottom up approach. it's very focused on freezing the situation. we very much a part countries support the initiative and also secretary kerry has been with key stakeholders in a new
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political track. nobody believes the shower al assad. >> do you think they will read him from power? >> excuse me? >> will the rebels have him from power? who will remove assad from power? >> we do not see a situation in which the rebels are able to remove him from power. it will have to be negotiated diplomatic process. >> it is unfortunate that the dod did not break available, one is unable to provide a witness today. we go now to mr. meeks of new york. >> thank you for this important hearing and thank you mr. ambassador for being here. listening to your testimony questions be announced, i
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understand that this is a complicated situation. it has been since we have been here. it is not easy. people have relationships in that region. some for decades, some for centuries against one another and we try to navigate all of that. not a simple scenario. i can recall being at this hearing in this hearing room before for many of us think that it's simple. simple to get rid of saddam hussein. we said it would take a few days. in fact, we said mission accomplished a few days after. i am glad we are not being simplistic about this, that the administration has been honest in saying it will take years to get this done to get it done right. not based upon a motion to get together so we can say rob rock. based on trying get together allies in the region and the
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complicated relationships to figure out once and for all hard to get this thing done without it being stuck on just the united states and everybody turning back against us. so it is complicated. it's going to take some time. we've got to figure this out. we've had some problems. that is what happens with complicated situations. it is not easy. if it was easy, anybody could do it. it is not easy for the united states of america. we've got to deal with all of our allies in the region. we have their interest also in today's world they are not just saying we are going to just do what the united states that against their own self-interest. to figure out a way that an and put this thing together to have an artificial result. it is difficult. my first question is going
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towards that end difficult with the iraqi government. i know there's just been in agreement with baghdad and erbil. i know when you look at kostic stomp and situations they are, historically and in a maliki government, they were not doing the right thing so kurdistan was getting the dollars they been in. what is the landmark agreement reached last week between the central government and the kurdistan regional government. that is the likelihood it will hold and how will payments be made to the kurds to try to fix the scenario that is also a problem in the past. >> this is an extremely complicated situation. it is different from groups
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within the countries that face the conflict zone. it is going to register a going to register a transformation of that to us to define beatrice barry acutely which we are working to deal with the coalition partners. it is something we worked on for almost 10 years. the terms of the deal reached last week but we simply couldn't get over the line with the government that was in place back then. the new government as i mention in my testimony is totally different across the board. we figured out a win, win solution. under the solution, the kurdistan region will ask for 550 barrels per day. 350 coming from cure coat with a very controversial part of the landscape. but taking oil from those fields occurred and region to turkey
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about that revenue will come into the central account and 17% will come to the kurdistan region. this is a breakthrough accord. another part of it is a billion dollars with the new budget will go to the kurdish hashmark a. we will find our brave fighters. this is a big deal. it is a breakthrough. will that be problems in implementation as we move forward? yes, we'll have to work through those and iraqis will work through those. it is a significant finally got this done. a very hopeful moment and i was on the phone with the iraqi leadership in baghdad and the kurdish leadership area shortly after there is a good terminus optimism. something i've not heard in some time and effort on the specific issue for a period of years. your question is a very insightful one and the oil agreement is indicative of where we are in iraq and the foundation with bill.
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given six months ago today, it was hard to see where we might be today. it really gives us some hope for the future. the iraqis have to work out the details. there'll be setbacks as you said. nothing is easy. it is complex, but with a significant breakthrough in the testament to the leadership to really get it done. >> thank you. >> mr. joe wilson of south carolina. >> thank you, chairman growers for your leadership and for your early warning of the threat of isis to american families. mr. ambassador, thank you for being here today. the american people need to know the threat of the ideology of isis. last month abc news called upon followers in the u.s. and europe to attack members of the military. he went onto say quote, do not ask for anyone's advice and do not seek anyone's verdict. kill the disbeliever, whether he
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is a civilian or military for they have the same ruling. those of them are disbelievers. both of them are considered to be waging war. this is a grotesque ideology that we face in our coalition partners face and i believe it is important we never forget how grotesque it is. additionally, ween to know jihads kerry signs in english that are very clear. death to america to israel. their creed is we believe in death more than you value life. having that in mind again, you have got quite a challenge. but we do have allies and i'm particularly grateful. iraq has been a success story of economic development towards people and his opposition to extremists. the american no-fly zone saved thousands of lives. the administration claims the kurdish peshmerga are primary
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u.s. partners in the offers against the islamic state. yet as of mid-october, the administration is only provided rifles, small arms, rifles to the kurdish forces. i am really concerned the president's actions don't match the thread. does the administration intend to be more robust and equipping the forces to commence offensive operations against isis isil and what timeline? b. mcnamee discussed the situation as i've been involved in it. we worked out with them to detailed list. one in august and one september with the government of iraq and we delivered everything on those lists. again, back to the factory then to government now. every request from the region has been approved by the new government. we have a new minister of defense, one of his first strips is going to see president barzani and he has committed to getting supplies that they need.
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i was just in berlin last week. the germans are supplying the consent of the governor of iraq significant antitank munitions. we are very focused on this come acutely focused, but what is important is unlike some of the attention we have at the last government, we have very strong cooperation now. there's been about 40 cargo flights but they immediately go went to supply the peshmerga with the support they need. so we are working on this everyday. we have joint operations centers in the kurdistan region. i went to see the president when he was commanding some of his unit near the border crossing and we're working every day. we work through this and our military colleagues worked through the requirements, what do you need, how do we get them? we've been on the road to get tank rounds to make sure that the 100 tanks the kurds have, which are pretty devastating against isil are fully resourced
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at the ammunition they need. this is an ongoing day-to-day activity and we are fully seized of it. >> you anticipate the peshmerga would be on offensive operations and not just defense of click >> air on offensive operations. the attacking back all the territory seized from isil. the one exception being singe art would think that will kick off after the winter season. the peshmerga are working closely with iraqi forces. the iraqi government service was working side-by-side to take back the dam and the operation there be a border crossing was done in coordination with sunni arab tribes in that area. so it is a significant development. given where we were six months ago when given where we were after isil moved into the region, the kurds have pushed back effectively. you have to remember that. we are working to help plan and
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conduct operations and would not be operations, we provide them with air cover and our support. >> i want to join with colleagues in queens. a native of south carolina and point out how pleased i am that there has been an agreement in regard to oil between iraq and the kurdish regional government. i yield the balance of my time. >> we go now to obvious theory of new jersey. >> thank you for holding this hearing and thank you for being with us and always in straightforward with us. as i sit here, we talk about retraining in training and i just read i just rhetoric poured about two or three weeks ago where the iraqis had 50,000 soldiers on a payroll that never showed up. i mean, to me this is what we are going to try to retrain again to spend billions of
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dollars and maybe not be as effective as they were. the other thing is we talk about a new government even more pragmatic. i think it's just the reality that has hit them that if they don't work and change their ways, they are going to lose their countries. people afford billions of dollars to this country to try to spread them out. i think it is just the reality hating man. implementation of some of these accords i was concerned with the kurdish getting all the weapons that they needed while they have to go through baghdad. so is difficult for them to get it through the kurdish. these are the kinds of things. the last thing i will talk about is spreading the conflict in the area. i read some articles for lebanon list can learn that there was activity in lebanon and they were asking for more arms than
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more support. so would you speak to that also? thank you very much. >> well, lebanon was participating at the conference in brussels last week at the coalition chaired by secretary kerry. they were at the table with their foreign minister as were the other neighbors. turkey is 1.8 million refugees in syria. we have to remember the burden that is taken in turkey and jordan is a tremendous toll. we do while we possibly can to shore them up, but it's extremely difficult and again, the lebanese are concerned about this in particular. beyond roads that isil is making, which is holding lebanese soldiers and executing last week. so while their partners in the region, the countries neighboring area, lebanon, iraq, turkey and jordan are central to the efforts of the coalition. will be heard in brussels around the table, 60 different members talking about the fact that we
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need to help our friends who are suffering from this crisis. so we are very focused and i can follow-up with a more detailed briefing particularly in lebanon or other neighbors. >> unhappy raise the issue with jordan because i understand they are getting more aggressive, more active demonstrations and aggressive activities. can you talk about that? >> well, jordan is also a frontline state. as you know, the refugees they have taken and have taken a toll on their resources. king abdullah was just here last week. general allen and i saw him on about a month ago working closely with jordan on the security side order and also trying to the extremist president in southeast area. there's a lot of focus on northern syria, which is the turks and everyone, the jordan is very focused on the other regions of syria on their border
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were isil has a tremendous presence and we need to help them. jordan is a frontline state and we are providing a substantial security system and humanitarian assistance to deal with the refugee crisis. again, our friends in the region, lebanon, jordan, turkey and iraq are impacted every day and that is why part of the president's central policy and his counterterrorism support in building partner capacities focused on this very issue. the neighbors of syria making sure they can withstand this crisis best they can. >> can you talk about any of the abuses by the iraqis? i know you're under discussion. >> i get a briefing every single day and i get reports of the residents in the united nations. as you know, the united nations monitoring team confirms to us about the humanitarian supplies in the overall situation at the camp. we look every single day. mccauley, jonathan, senior
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adviser is another albania today we've gotten about 600 others would be in iraq into safety in the past year and are looking to increase the number this year. jonathan has really done a tremendous server away, courageous job at getting this movie and i think the new government will be a more cooperative. we want to get all of those that we testify out of iraq to do that. albania has been extremely cooperative. the residents are assimilating quite well. my colleague as they are now discussing this issue and i'm sure he'd be happy to follow up. >> thank you very much. for that issue, would senator kerry this year, we leave this
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issue on supporting the kurds. not selling them the heavy equipment and armor they needed. i will quote from his testimony. he said the administration is responsible for sending all these weapons to baghdad. no, we are not. you are. if you want to change it, fix it. i would point out that put out bipartisan legislation to change that to sell the weapons they needed to the kurds and the administration opposed the legislation that we have been invited to putting to change it. so just for the record, i would raise the point that the argument has changed. >> mr. chairman, i feel your pain on crimea, too.
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>> it is a moving target and a moving problem. >> i thank the chairman. there is no question about it that isis are a bunch of bad people who just commit murder. we are doing battles with isis. united states has been in the middle east with boots on the ground for a long time. ambassador, would you say the united states is at war with isis or not? >> congressman, having seen up close i would say we are at war with isis, yes. >> it seems to me our strategy is twofold at this point, maybe threefold. send aid to different groups, countries. sixtysomething nations i understand in the coalition to fight isis.
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one is to do airstrikes. the success of those airstrikes depends who you are talking to. i do not believe they've been quite as successful as we had hoped they would be. the other is to take. moderate rebels, that, train and equip them to go back to theory at and defeat the isis. how many of those people has been vetted, trained and equipped and sent back to theory to cite isis? >> congressman, if the dod program. >> we are not up for what this country, you can't tell me politically whether we have vetted, armed and trained anybody yet instead of back to syria to fight the isis here's
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>> i can answer it. the answer right now is no. it was designed to be a long-term program and we hope. >> i understand. just a second. >> i'm asking the questions. you get the answer. the answer is we have not trained. none of them are over there. meanwhile, isis is committing all kinds of atrocities, but our plan, if i understand our strategic land, it is to drop arms, trained mercenaries to go back inside isis in syria, none of which have been trained. how long will it take before we get those people trained in saudi arabia back in syria to fight? how long do you think it will take? >> congressman, the programs is to train 5000 per year. the training we hope will start in march. and the program is to build a year from march about 5000 by
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then. >> excuse me, ambassador. will be 5000 in march that will be trained or will it be a year from march, 2016 before we have those 5000 riders that we send back? >> 5000 trained per year. part of the reason is the standards and we are being careful about this. we are not sitting on our hands. >> excuse me, mr. ambassador. answer the question. is it 502,016 in march where we hope that is their plan to have been trained by then? >> training we hope will begin in march. >> but will take a year to train 5000 people? >> yes, that's right. >> and we have a plan. then we have fighters and send them to syria. there is no telling what isis can do in that year or however many months it is. does the united states have some other strategic plan other than army other than army and the spokesmen are going to show up until 2016, dropping bombs
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whether they've been successful in helping with military aid to some of these coalition countries. is there a strategic plan over all that you know about in the state department? >> yes, it is one small element in an overall campaign and this is a multiyear campaign in phase one is iraq. what we are doing now is to grading the capacity and every time we've had a local force on the ground we can work with, call bonnie is a good -- >> reclaiming my time. >> what are we doing right now? people are dying in the calgary is it showing up until 2016 the way i understand it. is that correct? >> this train and equip units are not the only that we can work with in syria. >> glossary working with? >> we are working right now with a number of units and killing about 100 fighters. >> who are the people you work with? >> iraqi kurdish sires and they
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work -- >> or they work in theory or a rat? >> syria. >> we brought them -- >> last question. are we going to put more american military in the middle east to defeat isis? >> the president's policy is not to put forces on the ground, but we have an advisor. >> be careful. >> i'm not going to talk about iraq. in the middle east, are more americans going to defeat anti-isis? >> would have about 30,000 troops now. >> or more americans going to the middle east to defeat and cite isis other than what is there? >> right now we have a large substantial force deployment in the middle east. i don't see the need for more right now. i defer to my dod. >> because you don't know. i yield back. >> lament from fairfax.
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>> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. ambassador, certainly i think most of us were success in your endeavor. but i have to confess to you, listening to you make me feel that one is in a scene in the "wizard of oz" where we are being counseled to pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, meaning the previous iraqi government, which we supported way too long in terms of maliki and the damage he did and absolutely severing relationships between the shia and sunni, which contributed mightily to the rise of isis and the loss of moderates not only in iraq, but the spillover in syria. i mean, you said to us, pay attention to the fact we have a new government. it is relatively new.
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