caspers referred to as ceo. >> oh scott. [laughter] >> now it gets better. we hadn't been there very long when we discovered that some friends of ours including i think some who dated berlin before i did had snuck up and let the air out of the tires on our car. so we spent a lot of time creeping back down to the filling stations we could get air in the tires and we were in danger of violating lens curfew. >> we have violated it. >> so i was very concerned at that point that we have violated the curfew the first date and i knew i would be in trouble with somebody. the great thing about it in retrospect was lynne's mother was the secretary to the police chief in casper wyoming. we didn't make the move that might that hadn't been reported

to her at home. [laughter] >> one last question from a student from chapman university. >> can you share some of the influential authors that would have influenced james madison's writings? >> i'm sorry the microphone wasn't close enough and i could not hear. >> can you share what would be some of the most influential authors and changing his beliefs? >> he had of classical education and in the run-up to the constitutional convention he undertook a study project reading classical accounts of previous attempts at establishing a republic. and he saw where they had gone astray and that helps inform his proposal of the constitutional convention so classical sources were important to him. but practical sources were

important as well. he not only wrote what had happened to past republics, he wrote what was wrong with the current one and that he had learned from serving in state government, serving in the continental congress. he not only undertook this philosophical exploration, he undertook an understanding of the art of politics. he was a genius at both ends of his reading was part of that. his reading is like montesquieu but also his practical experience was crucial to his successes. >> ladies and gentlemen let's think the cheneys for this great presentation. [applause] i want to thank them, lynne. [applause]

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