it on the obama administration and i think that is wrong. you should tell the truth. exactly the truth. >> host: thank you, ma'am. >> guest: man, during the house until subcommittee, i looked at mike rogers in the eye and i said if we would've not been delayed, which we were delayed three times, that we would have saved the ambassador's life. i will go on record again with whoever wants to talk to me a news media organizations and say that again, which i said multiple times. why he came out with the force he did, i don't know what to say. you'll have to ask him. what we said in the book is what happened on the ground and that is the truth. as far as bookselling, i do have my own business on the side. i don't need the bookselling business. we didn't do this to sell the book. we did it for the truth. we also deployed a year after that, waiting for the administration or someone to come forward and tell the truth,

which they didn't. we made a decision of the team to come forward and tell the truth. so you have your opinion and you are entitled to it and i respect that. the book is truth. not online. >> guest: ramona, had we stayed working, we would make more money working than what we could tell in this book. and no, we did it to honor the four guys that died there because they were being honored. what was refreshing as we were in montana and the same thing happened. there was a fireman from los angeles that built the monument up in montana because he didn't feel that they were being honored at that time. they started two years ago -- a year and a half ago is what it was you started building that. those are the things of why we did it come away the other americans do the things they do. let the story be told of what happened on the ground and honored for americans that died serving the country.

>> host: mark geist, kris paronto, here is the cover of the book. they were members of the nx security team, "13 hours: the inside account of what really happened in benghazi." you are watching booktv on c-span2. >> the later correspondent, joan biskupic was also not there. her most recent book, "breaking in: the rise of sonia sotomayor and the politics of justice". joan biskupic, what have we learned about sonia sotomayor? >> guest: >> we learned what she's been doing. this book is a political history that tells you how she got out of the supreme court of what her life has been like since.

it picks up where her memoir left off. you learn in the opening chapter how she persuaded her fellow justices to solve with her. you also learn how she has been in effect did behind the scenes on the law and sometimes she hasn't been so factor. >> host: you've also written a biography of antonin scalia. how are they different? how are they the same? >> guest: they are a lot the same in some ways. both new yorkers. run from queens, one from the bronx. very distinctive personalities. both shaking up the joint in their own ways. of course justice kalina has been there since 1986. she's been there since only 2009. i would never underestimate what she is about to do. she's a very good agent for herself. they both understand the importance of being visible. look at how visible justice kalina has been with his own vote and look at how visible she

is in already. >> host: if you put on your legal correspondent hat for a second worth national press club night, oscar night at the national press club, you just happen to be standing next to former solicitor general. when he gets before the court, joan biskupic, what is the reaction of the justices to him and how does he play to this? >> guest: that's a great question and something i studied for a long time. i've been covering at least as long as it's been around. they know him personally. they know him from way back when. he was in the reagan administration the way justin is john roberts is in it an assertion. he socialized with antonin scalia. he spent new year's eve with justice ruth ginsburg and most recently with elana kagan. they know him.

when i have conversations with them, they refer to him by the first name. they pay attention when he speaks, just like a lot of the regulars out there. she has certainly -- let's see, sixtysomething arguments before the justices. he has some different quirks of which watches she wears, how they benefit, so it's fascinating to watch and then watch how the justices respond. they respond especially to many of the former soldiers generals, just like that flaxman who was the solicitor general for bill clinton and ted olson was for george w. bush. >> host: does he play to the justices? >> guest: they ought not to argue to justice kennedy in the swing vote position. or they know which justice might be the swing vote in that particular case aired something like same-sex marriage that he's doing now for the pension case. these lawyers know who they need

to convince. >> host: how often and yutaka little bit about this in "breaking in," how often can the justices have personal relationships with the lawyers argue in front of them? >> guest: they are all appointed for life, the bid history before they came on the court. either in the administration was some of the justices, some of the lawyers yourselves or maybe they once worked for them. elana kagan was the bass for the men and women who argue before the court now when she herself was solicitor general. there are plenty of professional and personal interactions. >> host: what is your next book? >> guest: i don't know. i want to do something. it so much fun. do you have an idea? this is more of a political history than a biography. i'm running out of the ones with really great personal stories. i have got to think long and hard. the other reason you think long and hard as he spent to much time doing