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sera te ndf thin and don't be afraid to go nd peleutdef the world of the political that are there to go find these experts. so respect itay e enrendtr and you sa--don't care if it was a republican conservative republican or liberal running in california in each of the cases coming you had them using the obama template. >> host: one of te other things i found interesting as you said the president is frustrated by the efforts to pin him somewhere on the ideological spectrum. how does he see himself? >> guest: hebe leaves he is a progressive. i always say that bill clinton d barack obama you give them ten issues and tell them and they will eventually get to the same compromise that but they will get there differently.

, whether it is how they do their personal politics aboutit i think what bothers him if he doesn't believe he is as liberal as his opponents think he is but this goes back to the fact that his negotiating style has been again i go back to this very rational on the one hand and this is the minimum that i am willg to do and he lets people know right away. and the world of washington assume he doesn't really mean it. that's his opening bid. and so that's where he is having the disconnected issue. >> host: you alsorite about it in a different plate in the book the issue of communication and the difference between candidate obama and president obama and the power of speech and his own frustration during his presidenc not being able to communicate effectively. people think of him is a very

effective communicator remembering the campaign of 08 and even if 12. but where is the disconnect of one versus the other and why was he frustrated by? >> guest: keeps us created because the campaign had a very simple premiseand it actuay worked in both the three e. but when they rannto a problem he gave a sech and it would fix it. and r the most part when you were talking about a political campaign it did work. it worked that way framing the economy and in the presidential spches was the framing of the campaign. so, the campan speeches worked r him and it was -- it would stop the bleeding on some of the political problems he was having. and so i think that he leard the wrong lesson which is when you run into a problem gave a speech a that just has not worked. this is where i cannot fully

judge this. are we livingn the era that no president could manage the way the new media pundit post from the crisis to crisis enforces the idea thata president has to respond to everything whether they are missing gis in nigeria or bombing in sydney australia or a plane that gets shot down in ukraine, let alone an oil spill in this country where there is a central focus of wax >> host: i just don't know if this is a manageable climate right now. i'm open to the idea that maybe it has been uniquely not good. i think that as fast as they were to respond to things than there were crisis in the campaign for they are more methodical now as president and as the head of the government. there is an argument to be ade that methodical is a good thing.

you don't want to be rash. but they never fod that touched went to be immdiately on top of something. and it's funny that they handled this pelessonhey try to be asked out front early on but nobody noticed that they were. and then the case have been to somehow not a lot, but the campaign made it worse in the campaign environment for the most part the infrastructure of washington would have said they handled it pretty well. >> host: your last sentence is the way to get something done obama said was to go at it alone just as tosome extent it always has. there is a certain poignancy. >> guest: i don't consider myself -- i'm still learning as a writer particularly people that have written abut obama.

but that is the lesson that he has taken from the presidency. you can't make washington work collectively. he thinks that is a funamental flaw. i don't think that he believes there's much he could have done differently to change that. i argue differently i say in this book but look at how he feels about how he's going about climate change and immigration. there are no regrets of his. he's going to leave office with no problem fully solved but he wants to make progress and the only way that he knows how to do it is to go it alone. ..