and that the argument are properly presented. and sadly the terminology that has been used about communications bill, dated building a snoopers chart is not accurate which don't actually reflect what was being proposed. he's right that it is important of all of us in this house to actually look at this matter, and carefully and consider the powers that our agency meet people to maintain as were saying the capabilities which otherwise make it harder for them to keep us safe. ..

that should be a principle of you and the principle that the prime minister reiterated in prime minister's questions today. i would have hoped that would have been a principle that could have been held by everybody across all parties in this house of commons. certainly as far as i'm concerned, as far as the conservative party is concerned our manifesto would make it clear we'll introduce legislation needed to restore our declining communications capability and we'll use all the legal powers available to us to make sure where appropriate the police and security and intelligence agencies have the maximum ability to intercept the communications of suspects while insuring that such intrusive techniques are of course properly overseen. >> mr. peter hayes. >> of course the secure services must have the necessary tools

for the job but does she accept the priority is speak up, stand up against and where necessary confront islamophobia, anti-semitism, racism and the fascist groups like the bnt and their derivatives and spread this poison and also the vial prejudices of far too many representatives and members of? >> the right honourable gentleman is absolutely right we need to stand up and send a very clear message from everybody in this house, we stand for freedom, we stand for freedom of the press, we stand for our democracy and we oppose the vile views that lead to the sort of incidents we've seen in paris. we must recognize if this country we've seen a number of terrorist attacks in this country over the years the most recent of course were in 2013 where we saw both rigby murder's

murder but the murder of muhammad salim and attempt to plant a number of mosques in west midland and that was undertaken by a far right extremist. we must stand bense terrorism and extremism in all its forms. >> edward lee. >> one good thing come out of recent days the horrible events, the affection of the british people for france and i must say as chairman of our committee group between the two parliaments on behalf of our back again customers -- benchers i like to extend to the french colleagues and say now as for the last 100 years our two nations stand shoulder to shoulder against tyranny and terror. >> we afree with the comments that my right honourable friend have made. we stand alongside france against terror and standing up for freedom and democracy. i have to say to him it was a

very moving experience to be part of the march that took place in paris on sunday, to see so many people. i think it was nearly four million people across the whole of france, two million in paris itself and also reaction of the people alongside the march who were expressing constantly their support for all those who were standing for freedom, freedom of the press but also freedoms of our democracy. >> mr. angus robertson. >> scottish part would like to stand with all members of the house in condemnation with the terrorist attacks in paris and put on the record for appreciation for those who work so hard to keep our society safe. the home secretary in her statement went into great detail, very welcome, about the cooperation with european union partners and with other countries. she didn't have the opportunity to update the house on the cooperation with the other jurisdictions within the united kingdom when it comes to policing and safety which is so

important for us all us. no doubt taken the opportunity to speak to the scottish cabinet secretary since last week. could update the house what was discussed and how the u.k. government plans to cooperate with the scottish government, northern irish government and the welch administration? >> the discussions at official level takes place about the preparedness for a attack similar to that took place in paris. we have obviously we work very closely with the both administrations. we particularly close work with the scottish government last year in preparation for the commonwealth games and joint exercises and some joint work and i have to say that the cooperation and the interaction between scotland and these forces in england and wales is very good when it comes across a wide range of matters but obviously the sorts of cooperation that takes place during these matters is very

important. we'll continue to work with the administration at every level and ministerial and on these matters. >> is the secretary aware when the prophet muhammad moved from mecca to medina all those years ago to establish the islamic state did not establish a islamic caliphate you about rather create ad multiphased society where jews and christians were rights to worship and retain their faiths? >> i'm grateful to my honourable friend for pointing that out and elucidating that fact to the house but i think it is very clear and everybody is very clear that this is not the attacks we saw are not about islam and the voices that we have heard from muslim communities here and muslim leaders here in the united kingdom and france and across the world are very clear these attacks were not undertaken in their name and that is a very clear message that we should

reiterate. >> dobson. >> the home secretary satisfied with the capacity of the london fire and rescue service to respond to terror, any terrorist outrages that may occur in view of the current program of closure of fire stations including the fire station at clark which serves an area which includes major hospitals, major railway stations and major tourist attractions which may very well be the premier targets of terrorism? >> a very, very bite deal of work has been undertaken in recent years in looking at the operations of the emergency services in the event that a terrorist attack should take place. work has been done as i indicated in my statement to bring together specialist teams from fire, you ambulance and across england and equivalence in scott lan and wales. we also introduced the joint

emergency services interoperability program which is about insuring that it is easier for the three emergency services to work together in these circumstances and obviously we continue to update and to revise where necessary the protocals and the operational, the way in which these operations are conducted to insure that our emergency services are able to do the job we all want them to do should an attack take place. >> michael elliot. >> thank you very much mr. speaker. i sat on the communications data joint committee three years ago and it lasted for six months and we heard extensive evidence and it was abundantly clear from numerous sources that this communications data is crucial it will save lives it will save those who threaten suicide. it will save children at risk and other types of incidents and dramas accidents crimes as well as terrorists. and help us catch terrorists.

metropolitan police commissioner said it will save lives. the director of europol yesterday in the select committee said there was a gap -- >> order. >> i don't wish to be unkind to the honourable gentleman. he is a trained barrister. come on cut to the chase. a lost colleagues want to get in. short question and then sit down. >> thank you very much. is she concerned home secretary, that the labour party had not made it clear that they would support communications data? >> i'm grateful to, i'm grateful to my right honourable friend pointed out significant number of people in positions where they are aware of the impact of communications data who have made the necessity of communications data well-known and public and i would say that i, as i've indicated i would hope that everybody in this house will understand and appreciate the importance of

insuring that their, as far as possible, there are no safe spaces for the terrorists to communicate. >> home secretary were you aware that in the case of the london bombings and the brutal murder of lee rigby and now from earlier reports about both responsible for what happened in paris last week, those involved were all on the periphery of investigations that had already been undertaken? will the home secretary give a commitment that weville urgent talks with the security service and the counterterrorism police leadership about how we can get smarter about reviewing those cases that have appeared, those individuals and networks, that have appeared on the periphery of previous investigations and clearly do pose a threat? >> well the right honourable gentleman is correct obviously the issue of those who appear on the periphery. it was an aspect that the

intelligence security committee referred to in the report that they wrote on the murderer of fuse sill lear and rigby and woolridge. i have discussion with the counterterrorism policing and security services and it is a matter which i continue to talk to them. i think there are a number of issues we need to continue to look at, both those who apper at the periphery of various groups but also the questions of links between potential terrorists and criminal activity of various sorts. >> jenkins. >> mr. speaker can i add my voice to those who support the updating of our communications capability merely to keep pace with changes in technology that in order to maintain the capabilities we already have but can i also invite the home secretary to use the latest incident as a case study to study what the journey is that a good islamic person that might take that finishes him up sass a

terrorist? what is the psychological journey, what are the stimulants that create that terrorist and how do we get inside of that process in order to prevent it happening? >> it is of course important in looking at work that we do to try to prevent people from moving down the road to terrorist activity, preventing people from being radicalized, that we look at what are the factors that determine factors that are in play when somebody does become a terrorist or indeed is being, is radicalized. i say to my right honourable friend these of course are issues that are already looked at and every opportunity to taken where we can learn lessons to identify what that journey is for individuals so that we can better insure that we are able to prevent that radicalization, prevent people from moving into terrorism but i also say to my honourable friend this will be complex, many factors involve and they will vary from individual to individual.

>> keith bass. >> mr. speaker. is there any evidence of western europe spoke after security gap amongst police forces across europe to try to tack down online terrorists? terrorism has no boundaries, national boundaries, is she confident about the structures that currently exist and sharing of information across europe and indeed across the atlantic? also a action taken bit internet companies? should we not now be looking at organization like the internet watch foundation that will deal specifically with counterterrorism? >> i think the right honourable gentleman that the question of the sharing of intelligence and sharing of the information where it is appropriate to do so across, between countries and particularly across europe is a matter that we discussed at the meeting that was held convened by the mr. cavener the french

interior ministry on sunday. it's a matter where i think there is a role we looked at europol playing a role within that and of course we will work not only our other countries but also organizations such as europol to make sure we get the maximum benefit from the sharing of information that takes place so that we can have the maximum possibility ability to insure that these attacks do not take place because we can identify the terrorists in advance. >> i'm very keen to accommodate colleagues but i would remind the house it es opposition today with two well-subscribed debates. what i'm looking for now people who will ask a short question without preamble and home secretary will supply with characteristic pithy replies i'm sure. >> unwise response of previous government as outrage led to iraq war and led to the failed i.d. cards. would she agree our response to this outrage must be one of sober wisdom, no the a rush to

squander liberty against those violently wish to take them away? >> i say to my honourable friend it es entirely right we should respond in very sober and careful way and i say to my honourable friend and that what i and prime minister have done in the comments that we made. >> i'm sure the whole house is very pleased to hear the home secretary say reallies lame has nothing to do with these attacks in paris and therefore take opportunity decrying the statement rupert murdoch made over the weekend where he said all muslims were to blame? and also ask him to get a grip of stocks news and so-called terrorist experts who sat around insulting birmingham, london and everywhere else with their silly comments? >> i, i agree with the honourable lady it is important that we do reiterate the message that this is not about islam. it is about a perversion of islam and that there are muslims

in this country and other countries around the world who condemn these acts of violence and acts of terrorism. their voices are being heard. i think in increasing numbers their voices are being heard. as i said earlier they are sending a very clear message this is not in their name. i also say to the honourable lady at that freedom of the press means freedom of the press >> dr. phillip lee. >> thank you mr. speaker. extremism find fertile ground in communities not a simulated into the society. bearing that in mind i hope home secretary will support compulsory and written english to be part of british citizenship. i think shared values underpin a strong society that women in such communities if emancipated would pacify young men who might tempt to copy extremist behavior so graphically seen in paris last week? >> i say to my honourable friend

of course the government has increased the requirements in relation to english capability the ability to speak english and understand english for those coming into the united kingdom. he mentions the role of women in this. i share with him i think a view that it is important that we do hear female voices from the muslim community and can i command sarah what you know who once again -- khan spoken about this issue. very last part of last year i attend ad inspirational event she held and hashtag taking a stand campaign she was running with muslim women around the country saying they wish to take a stand against those trying to radicalize young people in muslim communities. >> mr. speaker will the home second secretary rejecting new imperialism we hear after incidents like this which seeks to condemn the killings but somehow excuse the actions by blaming ourselves, in this case

by saying that the cartoons in "charlie hebdo" were unnecessarily provocative? does she not aprethat we can not continue to absolve those engaged in terrorism of their responsibilities and that we must agree that responsibility for these actions lies scarily with those who kill innocent people? >> the only people responsible for terrorist attacks are the terrorists themselves. they are criminals and we should never let anybody forget that. >> thank you, mr. speaker. can i welcome the statement today and press on my right honourable friend i welcome her words and states particularly tackling extreme ideology but ask her to be mindful and security services to be mindful of places of worship where often mainstream tolerant open opinion can often be marginalized what you do create a vacuum where extremism does thrive and create the roots of so much this poisonous ideology? >> i think i share with my

honourable friend a concern that we are dealing with extremism in all its forms and where it appears and to be mindful of issues that he has raised. of course the government will be publishing in due course a new extremism strategy will go beyond the simply the counterterrorism strategy we published so far. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the acts that occurred in paris were not were carried out by terrorists and not in my name and not the religion i follow and i want to be set straight on that and these people are totally, totally undeservedly attacked they took. she had bills proposals, what are they, where are they and when will we see them? >> can i first of all commend the honourable gentleman for the comments that he has just made. i think it is important that when somebody like himself stand up in this chamber and makes

that very clear message about terrorism and that we, none of us, none of us support terrorism in this chamber. we condemn it absolutely. we did at the time prepare and indeed indicate to people the areas of the communications data bill where we were willing to make changes in response to the views that have come from the joint committee and indeed we said we were taking on board i think virtually all the comments the joint committee made. >> thank you mr. speaker. does the home secretary agree we should be serious about our internal security and safety and security of our borders including at dover? we need to promote integration and unity of integration over the division of multiculturalism. and also really important that we insure that our borders are properly strengthened and security is maintained including at calle? >> my honourable friend is right, of course as i indicated in my statement in immediate response to the attacks in

paris, the border and others at our borders took appropriate steps to increase the security and intensify the checks taking place of the it is right that we do maintain that appropriate level of security at our borders, both here in the u.k., and obviously juxtapose controls over elsewhere. and it is also important i think, that we recognize that within this united kingdom there are people of, a variety of faiths and peel of no faith. what is important that we all accept and tolerate people of different faiths and not tolerate, but recognize there are people of different faith who is have different beliefs and if we disagree with them, and the way to discuss that is through discussion but it is important that we allow the freedom of people to be able to worship in the way they wish to, to be able to follow the faith they wish to be able to follow. >> mr. sawa.

>> unjustifiable and horrific scenes in paris were just not an attack in france but an attack on peace freedom and indeed islam. this isn't a clark of civilizations. it is a street fight between right and wrong and between humanity and insanity. on that basis can i urge caution from the home secretary, the worst time to react is when it is raw. you can't defeat extremism with extreme reactions. finally can i say the true muslim that day was the policeman who lost his own life protecting the freedom of a publication to ridicule his own faith. and actually in his tragic story received the obvious truth that freedom is the right to be wrong. it is never the right to do wrong. >> well i commend the comments that the honorable gentlemen has

made and as the shadow home secretary pointed out to the in her statement the brother of the murdered policeman gave a dignified response and one we can all recognize and support and it is important that we do recognize that these people who carry out these attacks, these are criminal. they're terrorists, they are not doing it in the name of any religion and we should be very clear about the message that we give. >> julian smith. >> on the data gaps will the home secretary confirm she will be inspired by the patriotism of the noble lord evans and people such as the head of mi5 and avoid any consultation with the deputy prime minister on these issues who during the "today" program interview put party es so disgracefully over national security? >> well it is, it is no surprise to anybody in this house that the deputy prime minister and i have a different opinion on the matter of the communications data issue and the communications data bill.

i believe that it is important that we maintain those capabilities and i reiterate as i said earlier it is not a snoopers charter. >> dawn ab bottom. >> home secretary agrees there can not be sin sill la of the excuse of the attack we saw in paris last week and security must be paramount in the long run one of things that will make us safe is to be able to reach out to the marginalized communities in this country that mirror the marginalized communities from which those killers came and whether addressing education unemployment they can

and these are matters that we had to consider for everybody. >> mr. robin walker. >> thank you mr. speaker. as well as the muslim community which has been quick to condemn terrorism. and english language newspaper will be commemorating this year, does the home secretary agree, that the survival of that charter, over 800 years and recent events demonstrate the pen if properly defended can be mighty err than the sword? >> i, pay tribute to my honourable friend and the constituency he represents and the links that he has as he says with the magna carter. it was a very important document. it is right that we celebrate

the anniversary of that document this year. and, i think we can all recognize the importance of the words within that document and the fact that it has survived and those principles have survived over the centuries. i think it is indeed testament to the fact that the but also the response to the attacks and the murders of those cartoonists and journalists at "charlie hebdo," to make everybody absolutely clear that the pen is mightier than the sword. >> mr. sherman. >> mr. speaker, will the that the lessons of paris are our real strength is in unity and indeed in fraternity? we should keep together on this? there is not a big divide on this. we must keep together across parties and also we must have a dialogue a conversation, with the vast majority of muslim people in this country, that are law-abiding and help us to defeat terrorism? >> well, i would say to the honorable gentleman he is

absolutely right. the majority of people in muslim muslim people living in this country do want to defeat terrorism as well and want to insure they're playing a full part in our society and it is right we make every link we can with them in doing that. >> new organizations seeking own independent professional judgment as whether they reprint the cartoons of "charlie hebdo," while in their own eyes many were avoiding risk of offending some of their readers. in the eyes of jihadis some undoubtedly were viewed as intimidated into censoring that for me is reason enough to reprint. does my right honourable friend true free speech not illusion of this includes the right to insult and defend. we don't defend free speech if that is truly what we want to do, by casting aside those who push at the boundaries of free speech? >> so i absolutely agree with my honourable friend and it should be the case.

freedom of the press means that the press should be free to publish what they choose to publish, within the within the law of course, but as prime minister reiterated earlier, freedom of the press which we all believe in means that we should accept that they can publish what they wish to publish within the law. we should not set artificial boundaries on that. >> mr. speaker, can the home secretary update the house how will prevent is working to reaching people at grass roots to protect young people? whatever it does to protect the civil liberties of people through new legislation the security service can't be everywhere and that network on the ground is most important? >> i'm certainly happy to give the honourable lady some figures in relation to prevent. and, there are certainly authority areas currently classified as prevent priority areas and there are 40 more supported areas, all of which are, eligible for funding for prevent projects and since early

2012 local projects have reached over 45,000 people. so this is an extensive piece of work that is being undertaken. obviously we continue to look at prevent and how we help to insure it is doing its job better, hence the safety and security bill. >> on monday the leader of the house and myself met with parents and governors of matilda marks kennedy at the school in my vicinity. the discussion of the attacks on paris was raised. can the home secretary take opportunity to allay fears of some of those parents and indeed many other people who weren't at the meeting about the anti-semitic attacks how indeed we can keep their children safe while in school? >> this is very important. as i indicated earlier, i do meet, i have met on a number of occasions with the cst and other jewish community leaders. my last meeting with them was shortly before the christmas recess. we are committed to insuring

that the work of the trust and others is supported in keeping jewish communities safe. as i also indicated earlier, the police also do talk with cst and with others and indeed with individual institutions about the protective security that can be provided and have been providing extra as i understand it some extra patrols in certain areas to insure that there is greater support that is given. but i'm very clear that nobody should feel that they are likely to be subject to the short of -- sort of anti-semitic attacks we've sadly seen in the united kingdom over the past year and it is important people are able to live in the country to follow their faith and live a life free from fear. >> mr. samuels. >> last week while these men were rampaging through the streets of paris a leading muslim spokesman in northern

ireland, dr. al wazir was telling the bbc that the west brought this about because of their foreign policy. will the tear of state join me calling those within leadership muslim community and say and do nothing which would give any justification for people to believe that terrorism in the name of their faith is ever justified and to realize that words such as this only bring and create division? >> it is absolutely right it is important for those in leadership roles in the must plim community as many have been doing to make it very clear that these terrorists attacks are not about their religion their faith and they are not in their name. and it is also very important that we insure that very clear message is sent that the only people responsible for terrorist attacks are the terrorists themselves.

>> madam deputy speaker. if liberal democrats will not support what is needed for defense of our nation, will my right honourable friend, necessary legislation to fill capabilities gaps and will be taken forward as soon as possible within the next parliament. >> i'm very happy to give my confirmation on that to my honourable friend. we are very clear we'll take this legislation forward. >> jim shannon. >> thank you mr. speaker. there has been significant raise in coordinated anti-semitic attacks in london, glascow and can the home secretary tell us what steps have been taken to stop the coordinated action and stop attacks on people across the united kingdom and northern ireland. >> i have am happy to happy please that i have meetings with police and jewish communities

and groups and obviously the cst and role they play in providing protective security for various synagogues and jewish schools and so forth and looking a the this we also looked at number of other aspects. i had a meeting recently which also involved the director of public prosecutions and chief executive of the college of policing looking at the advice and guidance available to insure that the police and prosecution service respond properly when anti-semitic attacks are undertaken and prosecution is possible it is taken forward. >> thank you mr. speaker. the government task force on radical extremism chaired bit prime minister recommended in 2013 a new order for groups fallen short of legally termed terrorists but undermined democracy and penalties that radicalize others. could you home secretary can be excluded from terrorism because they are blocked by liberal

democrats? if so, given comments from the shadow home secretary and in light of recent events in paris would it be good to revisit recommendations made by the prime minister's task force which will be most welcome? >> my honourable friend is, raises these issues. i've been very clear, it has not been possible to take those particular proposals forward on a government basis but i was also very clear and indeed i said this in the speech that gave at our party conference last year, that it is the conservative party's intention to take those proposals forward. >> thank you madam deputy speaker. -- is key to prevent radicalization and given new roles and responsibilities at schools, colleges and universities, can the home secretary state what proportion of the 2015, 16 budget is allocated to these organizations to implement that and what support is provided to

principals? >> the funding for prevent has increased over recent years but further money will be made available as part of the 130 million-pound that the prime minister announced last november that was going going to be available over the 2014, '15, '16 years. a majority of that will be for agencies but, other funding is for the home office which will include funding for prevent but will also include funding for ct policing and obviously discussions are taking place how that is most appropriately spent. >> stephen mostly. >> thank you. like a couple of earlier speakers in 2012 i was a member of the joint committee looking at communications data draft bill. we supported the need for new legislation but also proposed a number of safeguard we felt would improve the bill. would my right honourable friend confirm in any future legislation those safeguards would be considered and hopefully included? >> i'm very happy to be

concerned with that. the joint committee came back with a very well-considered and detailed response and the government was clear that we would take on board the recommendations, certain recommendations that the joint committee put forward and that continues to be my view as home secretary but obviously as a conservative politician looking at the prospect of conservative government bringing this legislation forward. >> gregory campbell. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the home secretary referred to the capabilities of people keeping us safe diminishing. in the context of the security of the people of entirety of united kingdom how central does she think the national crime agency and how important is it that that national crime age is fully operational in all of the united kingdom, particularly in northern ireland? >> i believe national crime agency does play an important role. obviously its es clear focus is on serious and organized crime,

but border crime and child exploitation and online protection. i think it's a valuable agency. i think it has already shown the benefit of setting up the national crime agency and operations it has already undertaken. i consider it would be appropriate, it would be beneficial if it was possible for that agency to operate in northern ireland as it does in other parts of the united kingdom. >> bob black. >> thank you, madam deputy speaker. number of anti-semitic incidents on the rise but sure say surveys demonstrate a greater public acceptance of anti-semitic attitudes. what can the right honourable friend to the jewish commune and we have zero tolerance of ant at the symphony tim and we need to educate the public that such attitude should not exist in this country. >> my right honourable friend is right, we should be very clear we can't tolerate anti-semitism.

we can deal with this in a number of ways. it is important we provide advice in protective security for those at threshold of being subject to anti-semitic incidents. but i think it is important for us to give a clear message as a government from this house that we will not accept anti-semitic incidents and work led by department of communities and local government and the task force they brought together on anti-semitism plays an important role. >> thank you madam deputy speaker. i previously was on the civil libertarian side on these arguments but given recent events not just in france but also where i've come to the conclusion that the home secretary is absolutely right in what she is doing. can i return to the subject of the jewish community. the home secretary has seen the front page of the independent today, the shows that huge amounts of jewish people have

apprehension living in the united king do. i welcome statements she made to other members but can she make a statement about anti-semitism but the positive contribution that the jewish people bring to this country and inorder to ensure they feel proud of living here? >> i share my honourable friend's concerns. i think it is would be a matter of deep concern to all in this house when people from the jewish community as surveys suggest are feeling it less easy to live in the united kingdom. we've seen over the years people leaving other countries in the european union as a result of anti-semitic incidents. i never thought we would see the day when surveys were showing this sort of feeling for people, jewish people here in the united kingdom. it is absolutely right not only that we are clear in our condemnation of anti-semitism but we give protective security and other support i referred to but also we do send a very clear message that members of the

jewish community play an important and significant role in our communities in their contributions to our society. we should welcome them here of the we should applaud what they, the contributions that they make and we should insure that they all feel able to stay living in the united kingdom and making their important contribution to our society. >> thank you. we now come to, point of order. >> thank you, madam deputy speaker. prime minister's questions i put some specific figures to the prime minister, namely that the under the government endorsed health future program, number of inpatient beds at the hospital have fullen from 360 to 24. >> the c-span cities tour takes booktv and american history tv on the roted traveling to u.s. cities and learn about history and literary life. this weekend we partnered with comcast for a visit to wheeling, west virginia. >> i wrote these books the

wheeling family. there are two volumes. the reason i thought it was important to collect these histories is that wheeling transformed into an industrial city in the latter part of the 19th century and early part of the 20th century and it is kind of uncommon in west virginia it drew a lot of immigrants from various parts of europe here in search of jobs and opportunity. so that generation that immigrant generation is pretty much gone. i thought it was important to record their stories, to get the memories of the immigrant generation and the ethnic neighborhoods they formed. it is an important part of our hit. most people tend to focus on the frontier history the civil war history, those periods are important but of equal importance in my mind is this industrial period and immigration that wheeling had.

>> wheeling starts as an outpost on the frontier. that river was the western extent of the united states in the 1770s. the first project funded by the federal government for road production was the national road that extended from cumberland maryland to wheeling virginia. when it comes here to wheeling that will give this community which about that time is about 50 years old the real spurt that it needs for growth. and over the next 20 to 25 years the population of wheeling will almost triple. >> watch all of our events from wheeling saturday at noon eastern on c-span2's booktv and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on american history tv on c-span3.

>> yesterday president obama visited the national cybersecurity and communications integration center in arlington virginia, where he proposed measures to protect businesses and the government from cyber attacks. his proposal would encourage information sharing between the government and private sector and increases penalties for computer crimes. this is ten minutes. >> good afternoon everybody. i want to thank secretary johnson, deputy secretary majorcas and the dedicated servants of the department of homeland security for welcoming me here today. i've kind of taken over your work space. i apologize for that but just pretend that i'm not here. i want you to keep working. i did ask who dressed up for

this event and apparently a few were brave enough to admit it but, you know, in advance of my state of the union address next week, i've been rolling out my proposals for keeping our economy on track, keeping it growing, making sure we're creating jobs and opportunity for the american people. and that includes the extraordinary opportunity that exist in our digital economy. yesterday i announced new proposals to better protect americans from identity theft and insure our privacy, including making sure that our kids are safe from digital marketing and intrusions on their privacy, based on what they're doing at school. tomorrow in iowa i will talk about how we give more families and communities faster, cheaper access to the broadband that allows them to successfully compete in this global economy. on thursday the vice president will be in norfolk to highlight

the need to continue to invest in the education and skills for our cybersecurity professionals. but today i'm here at dhs, to highlight how we can work with the private sector to better protect american companies against cyber threats. shortly after i took office i declared that cyber threats pose an enormous challenge for our country. it is one of the most serious economic and national security challenges we face as a nation. foreign governments, criminals and hackers probe america's computer networks every single day. we saw that again with the attack at sony which actually destroyed data and computer hard wear that is going to be very costly for that company to clean up. just yesterday we saw the hack of a military twitter account and youtube channel. no military operations were

impacted. so far it appears no classify information was released but the investigation is ongoing and it's a reminder that cyber threats are an urgent and growing danger. moreover much of our critical infrastructure, our financial systems, power grids pipelines health care systems, run on networks connected to the internet. so this is a matter of public safety and of public health. and most of this infrastructure is owned and operated by the private sector. so neither government nor the private sector can defend the nation alone. it is going to have to be a shared mission. government and industry working hand in hand as partners. and that's why i said that protecting our digital infrastructure is a national security priority and a national economic priority. over the past six years we pursued a comprehensive strategy, boosting our defenses in government sharing more

information with the private sector to help them defend themselves, working with industry through what we call the cybersecurity framework not just to respond to threats and recover from attacks but to prevent and disrupt them in the first place. and that is where these good folks come in. we are currently at the national cybersecurity communications integration center, also known as ncic. i just got a tour and briefing. i want to thank everybody here not just dhs but across government and the private sector because this is a shared responsibility. this center is one of the critical lines of america's cyberdefenses. these men and women work around the clock 24/7 monitoring threats, issuing warnings sharing information with the private sector and keeping americans safe. so as a nation we owe them thanks and as a nation we are making progress.

we're more prepared to defend against cyber attacks but every day our adversaries are getting more sophisticated and more determined and more plentiful. so every day we have to keep upping our game at the same time. we've got to stay ahead of those who are trying to do us harm. now the problem is that government and the private sector are still not always working as closely together as we should. sometimes it is still too hard for government to share threat information with companies. sometimes it is still too hard for companies to share information about cyber threats with the government. there are legal issues involved and liability issues. sometimes companies are reluctant to reveal their vulnerabilities or admit publicly that they have been hacked. at the sameotime the american people have a legitimate interest in making sure that the government is not potentially abusing information that it has received from the private sector so all of us, government and industry, are going to have to keep doing better.

the new legislation and proposals i put forward yesterday will help, especially for a strong, single national standard for notifying americans when their information has been breached. today i want to announce some additional steps. first, we're proposing new cybersecurity legislation to promote the greater information sharing we need between government and the private sector. this builds and improves upon the legislation we put forward in the past. it reflects years of extensive discussions with industry. it includes liability protections for companies that share information on cyber threats. it includes essential safeguards to insure that government protects privacy and civil liberties, even as we're doing our job of safeguarding america's critical information networks. i raised this issue again and the need for this legislation with congressional leaders this morning, including speaker boehner and leader mcconnell.

and we all agree that this is a threat that has to be addressed and i am confident that we should be able to craft bipartisan legislation soon to put these systems in placement we're going to keep on working with congress to get this done and in the meantime we'll do everything we can with our existing authorities to make sure industry gets information we need to better defend itself. second, we're proposing to update the thors that law enforcement uses to go after cyber criminals. we want to be able to better prosecute those who are involved in cyber attacks. those who are involved in the sale of cyber weapons like botnets and spyware. we want to insure that we're able to prosecute insiders who steal corporate secrets or individual private information and we want to expand the authority of courts to shut down

botnets and other malware. the bottom line, we want cyber criminals to feel the full force of american justice. because they are doing as much damage if not more these days and as folks who are involved in more conventional crime. finally, and since this is a challenge that we can only meet together, i'm announcing that next month we'll convene a white house summit on cybersecurity and consumer protection. it's a white house summit where we'll not do it at the white house. we'll go to stanford university and it is going to bring everybody together, industry, tech companies, law enforcement consumer and privacy advocates, law professors who are specialists in the field as well as students, to make sure that we work through these issues in a public, transparent fashion because they're hard and they're complicated issues but if we keep on working on them together

and focus on concrete and pragmatic steps that we can take to boost our cybersecurity and our private sir, i'm confident that both our privacy will be more secure, and our information, our networks public health, public safety will be more secure. we're going to keep on at this as a government but we're also working with the private sector to detect, prevent deter against attacks and to recover quickly from any disruptions or damage and as long as i'm president protecting america's digital infrastructure will remain a top national security priority. in closing i want to say one of the areas i will be working with congress is to insure that we don't let any disagreements keep us from fulfilling our most basic responsiblities. you know last week's attack in paris was a painful reminder that we have no greater duty than the security of the american people and our national security should never be subject

to partisan political games. congress need to fully fund our department of homeland security without delay, so that the dedicated public servants working here can operate with certainty and confidence they need to keep the american people safe, and that's true across the board in the department of homeland security. so again i want to thank jae and deputy secretary majorcas and everybody at ncic and dhs for the great job you're doing you're helping to keep the nation safe and secure. with that we'll get out get out of here so you can get back to work. who knows what has been happening since you were paying attention to me. thank you very much, everybody. [applause]

>> today on c-span2, u.s. chamber of commerce president thomas donahoe hue gave his annual address on the state of american business and the economy. live coverage begins at 10:15 a.m. eastern time. later president obama visits cedar false iowa, to talk about broadband internet access. part of a series of speeches that will be in his state of the union address next week. live coverage from iowa begins at 3:40 eastern time here on c-span2. >> dr. anthony fauci our guest this sunday on "q&a," is on the front line battling against infectious diseases. >> we have drugs right now when given to people who are hiv-infected and someone comes in and i can show you the dichotomy in the early '80s, if someone came into my clinic

with aids, the median survival would be six to eight months, which means they would be, half of them would be dead in eight months. now, if tomorrow, when i go back to rounds on friday and someone comes into a clinic who is 20 plus years old, who is relatively recently infected and i put them on the combination of three drugs, the cocktail of highly active antiretroviral therapy, i could accurately predict, look them in the eye, we can do mathematical modeling if you take your medicine regularly you could live an additional 50, five, zero years. to go from knowing that 50% of the people are going to die in eight months to knowing that if you take your medicines you could live essentially a normal lifespan just a little bit a few years less than normal lifespan that's a huge advance. >> director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases dr. anthony

fauci, sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. >> on a hearing on north korea the house foreign affairs committee they looked at a threat posed by the country's nuclear weapon program and state-sponsored cyber attacks. officials from the homeland security testified. congressman ed royce chaired this two hour hearing. >> hearing will come to order. members here know we're not going to formally organize until next week but i have much appreciate the ranking member mr. engle, his cooperation in beginning this process holding today a a briefing so we get started on many pressing issues that we face and i look forward to meeting next beak to formally organize the committee and discuss how all of us can work together in a bipartisan way in

order to advance u.s. interests around the world and one of the things i've enjoyed about working with this committee is the way mr. engle and myself and the members on the committee advanced the idea we work on consensus and move that forward with one voiceover seas and i think that amplifies the message from the united states. but the issue that we're discussing today, north korea is one where for years the united states and our allies have been rightly concerned about the threat from north korea's nuclear and missile programs. mr. sherman and myself remember very vividly the situation of proliferation by north korea with respect to the, the transfer of that capability into syria and the on the banks of the euphrates, a weapons program

being developed there as a consequence of north korea. and, for years we've watched that program grow and now this brutal regime has added a new weapon to its arsenal which is cyber attacks and the state-sanctioned cyberattack on sony pictures underscored three unchanging facts about north korea. first, this rogue regime has no interest in being a responsible state. second while kim jong-un continues to carry out human rights abuses around the world and, by carrying out attacks for those of how remember some of the exercises that the north koreans have taken offshore as well, most importantly of what they have done to their own people the way in which a country treats its own people will sometimes tell us how they will treat others.

the current president of south korea, her mother was assassinated by north korean agents. so we looked at that u.n. report that was recently filed after the evidence and interviews with many of the survivors defectors out of north korea. this was the conclusion of the report. the united nations has found no parallel in the contemporary world for the treatment of people in north korea. that's quite a statement. and in the meantime of course instead of assisting that population the resources that north korea gets its hands on continues to go into its nuclear and missile systems and of course cyber weapon capability as well. and third, the third point north korea's weapons are not merely for show. we and our allies in northeast asia are facing a brutal and dangerous regime, one that not only is trying to miniaturize

nuclear weapons to put them on icbms, but also one, as i said earlier, that has been involved in the past in central area that and in the middle east in proliferating these weapons different types of weapons missiles and other types of offensive capabilities as well as nuclear weapons capability. so north korea's growing cyber capability emerged most starkly in 2013. our ally, south korea, suffered a series of cyber attacks that temporarily brought down some of the commercial and media net box. it disrupted banking systems. the hackers called this dark seoul but in particular what they were able to do was to shut down banking systems and shut down atms of some sort. . .

last year cyberattack is estimated to cost sony hundreds of millions of dollars in damage. it was a state sanctioned attack as many americans asking, if that is what north korea can do to a movie company, how vulnerable is our critical infrastructure? how vulnerable is our electric grid? what it electricity was cut off? i mean, that could be a dark chapter. earlier this month the

administration announced long overdue sanctions targeting officials and front companies the north korean government and i'm glad the administration has described this as just the first aspect of its response because many of those north koreans blacklisted, many of those individuals who were blacklisted had always been targeted by u.s. sanctions. the significance of this new executive order may come from abroad are against the president to target anyone who is a part of the north korean government or is assisting them in any way. that is if the administration chooses to use it to its full advantage. we need to step up and target those financial institutions in asia and beyond that are supporting the brutal and dangerous north korean regime. such sanctions have crippled north korea in the past. for those of us who remember the consequences on bengal delta asia being sanctioned, and left the regime unable to buy the

loyalties of its generals at that time, it could not be paid. this committee has been focused on a north korea threat for years bringing attention to the regime's human rights abuses. it's a licit criminal activities, its growing nuclear and missile programs and helpful scrutiny of north korean nuclear negotiations. indeed last congress the house passed legislation that ranking member engel and i offer to ramp up the financial pressure on north korea pressing for north korea to be designated a primary money-launderingmoney laundering concern, as has been done with iran, curtailing its sale of weapons and stepping up inspections of north korean ships, among other steps. unfortunately, the senate failed to act on this critical legislation he for it adjourned but we will soon try again into the senate chance to join us in tackling this growing threat. i will now turn to the ranking member for his opening comments.

>> thank you very much chairman royce. thank you for calling this briefing on the threat that north korea's nuclear missile and cyber capabilities post were national security and that of her friends and allies in the asia-pacific region. i want to on a personal note say that i commend your strong leadership on this issue, and it means a great deal that this briefing is the very first item on our committee's agenda in the 114th congress. i look forward to working with you and the rest of our colleagues to address this challenge and to continue working in a bipartisan and productive way into your head. and i want to second what you said, it is very important for us, whenever possible, to have one voice in international affairs. it strengthens us. it strengthens us around the world, and that's what we try to do in this committee. so you and i have introduced the legislation, written joint pieces, we've done joint letters to officials, and i believe that we've got the biggest bang for the buck because we've shown unity on this committee.

one of the things that i've noticed is that when i go overseas and we take a bipartisan delegation along our differences really, really narrow because we're all americans and we all love this country and i think it's very important. i think this committee leads the way in terms of the way congress ought to govern in a bipartisan fashion. saw want to thank you thank you for all you do to ensure that that continues. i also want to thank our witnesses for their service and for their testimony today. the recalcitrance, cruelty and unpredictability of the kim regime makes north korea one of the toughest jobs we face on the global stage. the last three administrations, democratic and republican alike, have attempted to address the problem of north korea's nuclear program. unfortunately, very little progress has been made. despite a long list of sanctions, north korea is no closer to denuclearization today thatthan it was several decades ago.

rather north korea has continued to develop its nuclear conventional, and cyber capabilities at an alarming rate. already north korea has a significant arsenal of short-range missiles that could reach south korea and japan. most troubling is the continued development of north korea's medium and long range missile capabilities. they may be unreliable today but some of these missiles could eventually pose a threat to guam, alaska, or even the west coast of the continental united states. some believe north korea has aspirations to build submarines that could carry these missiles even closer to american shores. north korea appears to be working toward a miniaturized nuclear warhead that could be mounted on intermediate to long-range missiles. i was concerned by comments made in october by the commander of u.s. forces in korea at this moment north korea may possess the ability miniaturize a nuclear warhead. and based on recent events it's clear north korea's aspirations do not stop at conventional or

even nuclear weapons. the kim regime is wielding 21st century weapons as well and has quietly developed an offensive cyber capability like many others, i was deeply disturbed by the cyber attack on sony that took place in november, an attack does not just disruptive but also destructive. agents working for the north korea regime analyzed, threatened, and coerced a company operating in the united states. this attack and the ensuing threats of violence or a perverse and inexcusable act by the north korean government. as i said then no one, especially an entity operating in the united states should feel that they must see that the rights to operate within the law because of veiled threats from rogue actors. i look for to the witnesses to have each of your departments is dealing with this threat. are you engaging with the private sector? are you ramping up information sharing and collaboration across agencies? are you putting safeguards in place to ensure that these kinds of attacks will not be

successful in the future? i look forward to hearing about your progress in these areas. there is an international agreement or clear definition of what constitutes cyberwar or cyber terror yet it is clear that cyber attacks can cause destruction of property, stoke fear, intimidate the public, or even bring about the loss of life that could be as serious as conventional acts of war or terrorism. we must ensure that north korea's cyber capabilities of the cyber capabilities of a state-sponsored and rogue actors do not threaten our citizens, our businesses or our national security. i'd like to the witnesses assessments of these risk and our ability and the ability of allies and partners to effectively defend against them. finally, let's remember that the greatest threat the regime in pyongyang poses is to its own people. i have visited north korea twice myself. mr. wilson of this committee was with me on one of the trips, and

i stood with the incredible uneasiness i felt being in a place where absolute power is consolidated among a very few and where the rest of society is systematically and brutally oppressed. for years we've heard reports about the abuses endured by the people of north korea, torture starvation forced labor and execution. a recent united nations commission of inquiry report confirmed these reports calling the north korean regime responsible for systematic widespread, and gross human rights violations, including what they said was crimes against humanity. the chairman and i sure did commitment to addressing the injustices endured by the north korean people. we face a delicate balance. holding the korean leadership perpetuate this violence accountable while recognizing the need for basic support for the north korean people. maintaining a balance makes our work on north korea all the more critical and all the more difficult. i look forward to your perspectives on this issue and i thank you for joining us today.

thank you, mr. chairman. >> thankthank you, mr. dingell. the sporting we are joined by represents of the department of state, treasury and from homeland today. ambassador sung kim is the special representative for the north korea policy and the deputy assistant secretary for korea and japan. previously he served as u.s. ambassador to the republic of korea and he was the special envoy for the six-party talks. honorable daniel glaser, prior to his his confirmation, assistant secretary starr terrorist finance in the office of terrorism and financial intelligence at department of treasury. he served as the first director of the treasury's executive office of terrorist financing and financial crimes. brigadier general gregory touhill is deputy assistant secretary for cyber city operations, programs at the department program security. previously he served in united states air force as the chief

information officer and director of command, control, to communications and cyber systems at u.s. transportation command. and so without objection, the briefers full prepared statement will be made a part of the record here. members will have five calendar days to submit any statements to you, or questions or put any extraneous mitchell into the record. ambassador kim if you'd like to begin, and if you could summarize your remarks then we will go to question. >> they do very much mr. chairman, ranking member engel, and members of the committee. thank you very much for inviting me today, along with my colleagues from treasury and homeland security, to testify about north korea. as we respond to north korea's destabilizing, provocative and repressive policies and actions, we appreciate the interest and attention you and the committee have given to this important issue. in recent weeks mr. chairman the american people and the international immunity have been deeply troubled by the

destructive cyber attack on sony pictures entertainment and extensive fbi investigation has concluded that the attack was contacted by the government of north korea. the administration is totally committed to defunding -- at our nation's constitutionally protected right of free speech. that is why the president made clear that the united states would respond proportionally to the attack in the time in a matter of our choosing. our response to the attack on sony is consistent with our policy on the dprk across the board. one which seeks to work with our allies and partners to increase the cost to north korea of its irresponsible behavior, to sharpen the regime's choices and to persuade the dprk peacefully to abandon its nuclear weapons program, respect the human rights of its people and abide by international norms and obligations. mr. chairman, as you stated eloquently in a recent interview we need to change the equilibrium in north korea every -- and move the regime away from

us to do. with the international committee where using the full range of tools at our disposal to make clear to the dprk that abandoning its nuclear weapons provocative actions and human rights abuses is the only way to end the political and economic isolation. in our messages to the dprk and to our partners we made clear we will respond to the dprk's misbehavior. executive order signed by the president on january 2 is an important new tool. in response to the attack on sony pictures, but also provides a framework for addressing the full range of dprk illicit behavior. in applying this pressure just as their efforts at engagement our work with allies is vital. the united states is very limited economic and other ties with the dprk, for financial sanctions are much more effective when supported by our partners. we also work with our allies to determine dprk aggression to having left the soul as ambassador just a few months ago i can tell you our allies with

south korea is stronger than ever and are growing trilateral security cooperation with south korea and japan also sends a powerful message of deterrence to pyongyang. if i may i would like to take this opportunity to thank you and the committee for the committee strong support to a robust alliances with both japan and south korea. mr. chairman, as we apply unilateral and multilateral pressure and strengthen our deterrent we will continue our principal diplomacy. we have made clear to the dprk that the doors open to meaningful engagement. close coordination with our partners in the six-party talks is essential. thanks to our continued robust engagement with south korea, japan, china and russia for our unity has never been stronger. wherever young interns, it here's a strong unwavering message from all five parties, echoed by the wider community that it will not be accepted as a nuclear power. our alliances with japan and the republic of korea are a bedrock of our six-party diplomacy.

both allies are resolute in their commitment to the goal of the denuclearization of the korean peninsula and an end to north korea's illicit behavior. both governments have condemned the attack on sony pictures and express solidarity with the united states in our response. to intensify our coordination, our travel to tokyo for collateral talks with my japanese and south korean counterparts later this month. on that trip i will also visit beijing to strengthen our cooperation with china. china has done a great deal on north korea. we believe it can do more. in the wake of the cyber attack against sony pictures china did condemn malicious behavior in cyberspace. although russia has recently pursued investment in north korea and invited kim jong-un to visit moscow later this year our alignment on the critical of denuclearization remains strong as ever. we also work act of the partners in the broader international committee, especially on human rights. building an important work of the u.n. commission of inquiry

this past year the u.n. human right commission and general assembly a doctor but over woman margin resolutions calling for accountability for north korea's human rights abuses. just last month the u.n. security council to cut the dprk's great human rights injustices understanding agenda for the very first time. mr. chairman, standing up to north korea requires a concerted effort by all of the countries in the six-party process and indeed, by the entire international community. together we will to borrow your words again, change the equilibrium in north korea and persuade pun yang that north korea will not achieve secure economic prosperity while pursuing nuclear weapons trapping on international norms and abusing its own people. thank you again for the opportunity to appear before this committee. >> thank you, ambassador kim. dan. >> thank you chairman royce ranking member engel come in the same as members of this committed to thank you for inviting me to speak today about the u.s. government's efforts to counter the threat posed by the malicious cyberattacks of the

dprk. the dprk is a brazen and isolated regime that has repeated shown flagrant disregard for international standards. this is evident in the dprk the element and proliferation of its illicit nuclear and ballistic ballistic missile program its repeated violations of you in security council resolutions, its repression of its people through serious human rights abuses and most recently it cyber attack on a u.s. company in attempt to stifle freedom of expression in our country. in response to the dprk's cyber attack on sony pictures, the president signed an executive order, 13687, january 6 2015, granting the treasury department the authority to impose sanctions against agencies, instrument does come officials and entities controlled by the government of north korea and the workers' party of korea. executive order 13687 represents a significant broadening of treasures authority to increase financial pressure on the dprk and to further isolate it from international financial system.

for the first time treasury has the authority to designate individuals and entities based solely on the status as officials, agencies or controlled entities of the government of the dprk. treasury also announced the authority to designate those providing material support to the government of the dprk. simultaneous to the issue of this executive order, treasury designated three entities and 10 individuals from secretary jack lew described as quote medical north korean operatives. these include the reconnaissance general bureau known as rgb which is the dprk primary intelligence organization which is responsible for many of its cyber operations. the korean money development trading corporation which is the dprk primary arms dealer and 10 officials of the dprk government including eight officials face the world. secretary lew also made clear that will continue to use this brought a powerful tool to expose the activities of north korea government officials and entity.

treasury is also used existing tools to raise the cost of the dprk of its provocative action. since 2005 treasury has designated over 60 north korean related entities and individuals under executive order 13-3 86 13-3 to which targets proliferation related activities, and executive order 13551 which targets north korea arms sales, to put you in a goods and illicit economic activity. under these authorities treasury is exposing to access the financial system, entities and individuals such as the foreign trade bank credit and come to a north korea is important banks and provided financial support for a number of dprk illicit activity. we've designated general kim the head of the rgb home director james clapper resilient as the official likely ordered the cyber attack on sony. today, the dprk's financially isolated thanks in no small part to the actions i've described.

over the years treasury has ensured that the dprk is limited access to u.s. financial system and work with our allies to restrict pyongyang's access to the international financial system. as a result of sanctions and other measures targeting the dprk's illicit conduct financial institutions around the world began severing their ties to the dprk in order to avoid entanglement with north korea's illicit activities but these actions contributed to the dprk's economic isolation and disperse positive change in the beaver of banks across the globe. while this increased isolation is me targeting the dprk more complex, treasury continues to deploy the tools at its disposal to raise the cost of dprk defined behavior and deduce the government to abide by its international obligations. u.s. government's response to the malicious sony cyberattacks is a demonstration of our determination to the dprk responsible for action. protecting u.s. from cyberattacks isn't just about implement sanctions, it's also but working with the private sector to safeguard our economy

and infrastructure more broadly. beyond our response to the sony cyber attack safeguarding u.s. financial system and its critical infrastructure from the threat posed by state-sponsored militias subjectivity is part of treasury's mission. treasury partners with the financial sector to show specific threat information and improve based on security and enhance industry response and recovery. i go into much of this in my written testimony and in greater detail. as the united states confronts the destabilizing and destructive actions of the dprk treasury is employing authority to isolate north korea from international financial system. treasury will continue to use its arsenal of financial measures to combat the cyberthreat by the dprk. thank you, mr. chairman, for invitation to testify before the committee today, and i look forward to answering a question. >> general's. >> spectacular much mr. chairman, and ranking member engel and establishment of the committee, thank you very much for having me today. i appreciate the opportunity to appear before you today alongside my colleagues from the

departments of state and treasury. the department of homeland security leads the national effort to secure federal civilian networks and coordinates the overall national effort to protect critical infrastructure and enhance cybersecurity. the dhs cybersecurity mission includes analysis, warning him information sharing vulnerability reduction, mitigation, an aide to national recovery efforts for critical infrastructure information systems. dhs ensures maximum coordination and partnership with federal and private sector stakeholders while working to safeguard the public's right to see confidentiality, civil rights and civil liberties. within dhs the office of cybersecurity and communications focuses on managing risk to the team editions and information technology infrastructures, and the sectors that depend upon them as well as enabling timely response and recovery to incidents affecting critical

infrastructure and government systems. our office execute its mission by supporting 24 by seven information sharing, analysis and incident response for private and public sector partners. we provide tools and capabilities to strengthen the security of federal civilian executive branch networks, and engage in strategic level coordination with private sector organizations on cybersecurity and communication issues. ths offers capabilities and services to assist federal agencies and stakeholders based upon their cybersecurity status and requirements. the department engages its stakeholders through a variety of mechanisms, including information sharing forums as well as through the national cybersecurity and communications integration center, which we call the nccic. the nccic, a 24 by seven cyber situational awareness incident response and management center is a national nexus of cyber and communications integration for the federal government, the

intelligence community, and law enforcement. our activities include first incident response. and during or following a cybersecurity incident dhs may provide response capabilities that can aid in mitigation and recovery. through our integration center vhs further disseminate information on potential or active cybersecurity threats to public and private sector partners. and when requested by an affected stakeholder, dhs provides incident response to the united states computer emergency readiness team referred to as the us-cert, or the industrial control system cyber emergency response team, commonly referred to as the ics sort. our second activity is assessing security posture and recommending improvements. and upon request ths conducts risk implement the assessment to identify potential risks for specific operational networks come systems and applications him and then we provide

recommendations for mitigation. our third activity is providing technical assistance. ths may provide direct technical assistance upon request. for instance following a passionate attacks on the financial services sector in 2013 and 2014 our united states computer emergency readiness team went on site with major financial institutions and other critical infrastructures to provide direct technical assistance. u.s. source technical assistance technical data include identifying 600000 distributed denial of service related ip addresses and contextual information about the source of the attack the identity of the attacker and associated details behind the attack. we have had a long-term, consistent thread engagement discussion with the department of the treasury, the fbi, and private sector partners and the

financial services sector. regarding the sony pictures entertainment incident, in november 2014 the nccic was made aware of specific significant breach in the private sector impacting sony pictures entertainment. cyber fraud actors targeting sony used a sophisticated worm to conduct cyber exploitation activity. since that time dhs has initiated a series of proactive steps designed to protect not only the dot gov space from any potential spillover but to share information with a private sector partner. we have worked extensively the partners including the fbi and other agencies and international partners to share information and collaborate on incident analysis. dhs has published multiple products related to this incident, shared with other federal agencies our international partners, the private sector, and the general public. as a trusted information sharing partner to the private sector,

nccic does not have a regulatory role to our mission includes securing critical infrastructure and protecting the federal dot gov space. as we conclude, evolving and sophisticated cyber threats present a challenge to the cybersecurity of the nation's critical infrastructure and its civilian government systems. ths remain committed to reducing risks of federal agencies and critical infrastructure. and we will continue to leverage our partnerships inside and outside of government to enhance the security and resilience of our networks while incorporating privacy and civil liberties safeguards into all aspects of our work. thank you again for the opportunity to provide this information, and i look forward to your questions. >> take you very much, general. i was going to start with the question of assistant secretary glaser and ambassador kim made the point that increasingly russia has stepped in where

china has curtailed with respect to support for north korea. he speaking about the issue of forgiving debt and certainly the investments from russia into the rail network. i've traveled in north korea, and the functioning rail network just ins at the border. and once you are in north korea it's not operational. or at least none that i could see. and so the investment would seem to be critical coming from russia. the question i have is is that investment, within the sanctionable, right? under the interpretation that i just read. and on top of that if we look at the section 311 sanctions which were the center of in 2005, ivory member working with you on that at the time with respect to bank will go for asia, there's a lot more that we could be doing here if we were

to label north korea primary money laundering concern as we've done with iran but that would be possible. after all, we caught them with 100 all euros 20. we saw that it was 100-dollar bills there that were counterfeited out of north korea. so the question i have been is let's go to that issue of financial sanctions on north korea, as curt campbell, former top state department official for asia noted recently. we could really move effectively with that and make life much more difficult for those are making life difficult in south korea and here. >> thank you for the question chairman royce. i certainly agree with you, it is our goal and it has been our strategy, it's better strategy of the treasury department for many years now to implement sanctions and other financial

measures in a way that isolate the north korea from the international natural system that would become the international financial system everywhere, whether it's china or russia or the united states or europe or other places in asia. the goal is to squeeze them financially as much as possible. with respect to the new executive order that you make reference to an that i discussed my tests with the that's an important new tool we have at our disposal, precisely because it gives us a tremendous amount of flexibility in how we approach targeting. we could target any north korean government agency. we could target a north korean government official, and then once targeted we could apply sanctions with respect to any individual or entity who is providing them in turn material support or any individual entity that they in turn control. so that gives us a large -- >> everything that's where we need to have the focus because

the foreign trade bank that was a designation a long time coming. just designating north korean institutions is not going to curtail the kind of hard currency that the regime uses in order to continue to expand their icbm program, for example,. >> right. and that's what we're trying to do is identify what their notes or to the international financial agency to you mentioned banco delta asia under 311 that we did 10 years ago. why that was so successful was not with respect to the specific action on banco delta asia, but that type of about $25 million of money that north korea said was north korean money. but the real impact of banco delta asia and the destination that action, was that it created a chilling effect throughout the financial system. banks around the world stop doing business with north korea. we still live in the world today. it's that action another actually taken that make it a

lot harder. >> that's why mr. dingell and i have for legislation that we have over in the senate because my observation at the time was as you said, wasn't just banco delta asia it was a dozen banks all that were willingly doing business in laundering basically, or doing business with north korea. and once those accounts were frozen, not only could he not be his generals but i later talked to defectors who had worked on the missile program. he said that program came to a halt because we did not have the hard currency. he couldn't even by the clandestine gyroscopes that we would buy on the black market for those missiles. we couldn't pay for anything. that's the kind of pressure i think, could cause of regime to recalibrate its thinking. there has to be consequences directly, and it has to impact, you know, the family itself. that run the country. and the best way i can think of

doing that is to not give them the hard currency so that those generals are not paid the army is not paid at some point people turn and say, there has to be a better way forward than the kind of repression that's going on. and that's why we are trying to jumpstart this beyond just the sanctions within north korea to the financial sanctions that would truly, truly create additional pressure. do you think our legislation if we pass in the senate last year if we get that out of the senate this year, do you think it would be a useful tool? >> you know you say chairman, that it was dozens of banks but it was more than dozens of banks. it was hundreds of banks making the decision at the time to not do business with north korea. we had that impact, and that's an impact that we are still that's a world that we are still living in. so again, you say the goal is to identify financial institutions

outside of north korea that provide these points of access, and that's exactly we're trying to do. you mention foreign trade bank. i thought there was an extremely significant action. that was north korea's primary source of access to the international financial system. >> true enough but i would just point out there's a number of small banks we have been following better digging business with north korea that frankly if we really wanted to squeeze, we could cut that off. and if we do cut that off it becomes very problematic for them to get the resources, even to send these hackers the moscow. or in the past they sent him to beijing to get the kind attorney. if you cut off the hard currency these regimes, like north korea, cannot carry out the kinds of offenses attacks that they are given to. >> right and that's exactly what wewe're going to do. foreign trade bank, they don't credit me these are banks that

we have targeted with sanctions. we use section 311 on banco delta asia. the actions we've taken have caused a chilling effect even with the chinese financial system even banks major commercial banks within china have cut off the relationship with entities. i think chairman, that's exactly the right approach we should be taking spin we are on the right road. we want to accelerate it. we go now to mr. engel. >> thank you, mr. chairman. the chairman mentioned, and i agree, the bottom line is that there needs to be an impact on the families that run the country, the kim family obviously all of their entanglement. when we went to pyongyang now granted i was there twice and granted you are limited to what you can see, we were told that we could only be in the capital and we could go outside of the capital. when we got up early and the

absurd people going to work in the morning, everything seemed really normal. people looked to me like they were fed properly. people were wearing dress clothes for work. it seemed almost like any other major city. but we are told that pyongyang is essentially where the elite live, so the elite are treated relatively well while the rest of the country is starving, and that's really the problem. so what can be done to bolster the enforcement of existing sanctions in a way that would impose meaningful costs to the north korean elite? what other lepers what we have to influence them to make sure -- leavers. make sure it's not a situation we have at least in the capital doing relatively well and then we impose sanctions, the sanctions hurt all the people

that are starting around the country, but the elite's basically are untouched, what might we do to make sure that they are caught up in this that they suffer the penalties for their actions? >> thank you for the question, congressman. i don't think that the misery that's been inflicted on the north korean people can be attributed to sanctions. i think the north korean government bares seoul responsibly for the misery of the north korean people. but i do take your point that the goal is to try to put pressure on the elite's. and i think that it is precisely access to the national financial system that we can do that because that's the benefit. that's how the elites acquired the hard currencies that chairman talked about, the luxury goods, the other things that make their life pleasant. that me, you know the system

run as far as the system actually runs. so that's what we are trying to do. we are trying to identify their sources of currency. one of the important sources for example, is conventional arms sales. that's why we targeted eight officials in a recent around the sanctions a couple weeks ago. these are individuals who operate in places like africa who are raising hard currency for the regime, and we are trying to cut that off at the source but as the chairman said we'd try to identify the point of access so they can't repatriate the funds or they can't use the funds that they do have. we have identified a number of banks but this is an ongoing effort. this is an effort has been ongoing for 10 years. it's a hard target because their needs are relatively small. they only only need an full of pontifex is but it makes a very effective when we do find time when we can put our finger on an outcome we can have a big

impact. but they try to gain access through deceptive financial measures, try to get access in countries where less influence and so it's an ongoing effort and we're continuing to work on that. i think the recent executive order gives us the flexibility to really stepped that up. >> thank you. i'm wondering if any of you can talk about obviously north korea is gaining additional intentional and nuclear capabilities. and, obviously, it seems to us that this emboldened themselves with respect to belligerent activity in the domain such as the cyberspace. can anybody talk about that? i would be interesting in hearing your perspective on that. ambassador? >> thank you, ranking member engel. we are deeply concerned about north korea's efforts to improve their dangers capabilities in nuclear missiles as well as now cyberspace. they pose a great threat, not

just to the region but to the united states directly. i think what we need to do is continue to strengthen our efforts on sanctions pressure, but also continue to work of strengthening our deterrent capability on all fronts. this requires our continued effort with our partners, not just in the six-party process, but more broadly in the international community. i can assure you that despite north korea's continued efforts to improve their capabilities, we are fully capable of defending against any threat posed by the north koreans. i point to one upcoming example which is our military exercise with the south koreans that will be coming up shortly. this is a very important exercise. defense oriented, a very effective exercise in making sure that we maintain the strongest possible combined deterrent capability on the peninsula so that we are prepared to do with any threat posed by north korea. >> and don't the north koreans usually react hostility towards joint maneuvers between south

korea and the united states? we are saying that this ago the joint drill we're doing together, is routine and it's not related to a report that north korea is trying to increase its submarine capabilities? whether it is or isn't aren't we likely to see some acting out by north korea as a result of these joint maneuvers? >> i don't want to spike to a what the may be planning to do. you are quite correct that they don't like our exercises because i think they understand our exercises strengthen our combined deterrent capability. but these are routine non-provocative defense oriented exercises that we have carried out for 40 years. but we been quite open about it. to north korea really has no right to complain about these exercises. >> you mentioned the six-party talk. when we were there several years ago things may change, the north koreans seem to be more interested in having to

party talks with the united states rather than the six-party talks. is that still what we find coming from them? >> at the moment north koreans don't seem to be interested in constructive dialogue with anybody, including the united states, as well as the six-party talks. we believe the six-party talks framework still provides a viable forum for discussing this issue. one of the main reasons is it is in the six-party process that north koreans made most clear commitment to denuclearization. their own commitment. i think we need to hold them to it. the six-party process also includes 50 countries in the region that have a stake in this issue. this is not an issue just for the united states. this is an issue for the whole region, and with the chinese who chaired the process the japanese, south koreans and the russians in the process. i think we need to try to work within a process to make some progress on denuclearization. >> my last question, i wanted to follow up on the elite

discussion we had before. we find the elites in north korea find creative ways around the existing sanctions obviously. they work through chinese banks and those banks are not exposed or integrated to the international market. so what are we going to go after these types of institutions? >> the chinese financial system is integrated into the international financial system. i think one good example of our ability to impact a hater even in china was as i had the exchange with chairman royce, our designation of foreign trade bank which is north korea's main commercial bank of the bank to which they do most of the commercial conduct. up on our designation the major commercial banks under china the big commercial banks acted as you would expect. any international commercial

bank to act. they announced they were cutting foreign trade bank off from their banks. so we can have an impact on commercial banks in china. that said, i think you're exactly right. china does provide north korea the lines of shared of access to the international financial system. it's a subject that i've had discussions with the chinese many times on and it's something that we need to continue to talk to the chinese about to try to get chinese assistance in making sure that their financial system does not provide north korea the opportunity to engage in proliferation or any other listed economic activity. we were talking a just before this hearing, and i know that he plans on having this conversation with the chinese as well. so it is a significant issue and it is one where focus on and will continue to focus on. >> we will be in beijing in march so we will continue that

dialogue. we are going to mr. steve chabot of ohio. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for convening this breakbreakages, the north korean threat. this committee has long recognized the dangers of pyongyang's growing capabilities. in fact, last year as former chairman of the asia-pacific subcommittee, i held two hearings specifically on north korea because not only is it the greatest security threat to the peace and stability of asia but it's one of the united states most vexing security challenges. and i would argue greatest policy failures in many ways. the just a couple of questions. ambassador kim in june of last year the asia-pacific subcommittee heard testimony from your predecessor, ambassador glenn davies, and in his testimony he stated that china is north korea's quote last remaining patriot, unquote. however, as chairman royce already mentioned pyongyang has

a good relationship with russia and illicit networks with countries in the middle east especially iran. we know that north korea maintains a fairly robust illicit trading network with these very the nation states and terrorist organizations, and last year signed an economic trade deal with russia. this will provide pyongyang with an economic boost to counter sanctions and counterbalance the chinese who have been putting some pressure on them. in light of north korea's recent cyber attack on sony there's a growing speculation about how big north korea's cyber army really is. and where it has received the training to orchestrate such an attack. ambassador kim and general touhill, could even if you discuss first who are north korea's primary patrons at this

time? and second, could you discuss where north korea is gaining its cyber capabilities and expertise? and finally do you have a more accurate sense as to how big north korea's cyber army really is? i will let either one of you go first. >> thank you very much. i will defer to general touhill on the cyberspace issue. with regards to north korea frankly i think north koreans are running out of friends and becoming increasingly isolated because of their misbehavior on the nuclear front, missiles human rights abuses. of course, china has a special relationship with north korea. they have considerable leverage over north be. i think what we've seen in our cooperation with china is that china is working with this more effectively in trying to stifle north korea's dangerous activities. it's an ongoing effort. i think all of us need to do more, including china.

russia as you mentioned, there's been some contact some discussions of investment. but i believe the bottom line is that the russians remain committed to the shared goal of denuclearization and they do want to work with us to make sure that the north koreans move in that direction despite some of the contact we've seen recently. >> general touhill? >> thank you very much for the question sir. regarding the acquisition of tools and capabilities in cyberspace and being able to employ them, many of these tools as a matter of fact, most of these tools are readily available to anybody around the world through open-source acquisition. many of the tactics techniques and procedures used by attackers in cyberspace is predominantly criminals, are openly available through the marketplace and frequently posted online. so the acquisition of capabilities is readily of able

to anybody, including the north koreans through open-source activity. >> thank you. i think i have time for one more question. i will direct this to you as well general. north korea's cyber capabilities were first revealed i can march 2013 as south korean financial services and media firms were attacked. at the time it was the latest attack to emerge from an outward evolving project called operation troy which revealed pyongyang was attempting to spy on and disrupt south korea's military and government activities. could use it with a north korea's focus on using the master boot record wide functionality, if you ask me with that, for its attack on south korea is similar to the attack launched on sony and what possible responses or protections do we have against this type of cyber attack? >> thank you very much for that

question. the attack using a wiper virus or capability to attack the master boot record, in essence means every computer has an instruction set that's contained in part of the disc called a master boot record. it tells the computer what to do when it is turned on. it tells where the information is stored and the like. using an attack against the master boot record basically wipes out the record. the computer no longer knows how to turn itself on and look for the information. so it's a very devastating attack to the computer. as we take a look at the code and we've done some malware forensics with the malicious code that was discovered as a result of this attack, it was a very sophisticated, well-organized piece of code that was specifically engineered to attack that master boot record. when it comes to detecting that

type of militias code, it's very difficult to do that for each and every piece of code. our current database of malicious software numbers over 100 million different sample sizes. that said we have taken the information we have done from our malware forensics and we have loaded those indicators not only into the einstein system to help protect our federal systems, but we've also shared that with our international partners with the private sector and the like. so the indicators that we have derived from our analysis we have shared, but this is very very well-crafted code. >> thank you very much. yield back. >> we go now to mr. brad sherman of california. >> witnesses and should relax for a few minutes as i have kind of an opening statement that i will use some of my time with, but don't relax too much. i will have a question general come in a few minutes. obviously, north korea is worthy

of sanctions, but how do you trade sanctions against a nation we have no trade deny this is the country that sends us no visitors? name and shame the country that is shameless? the ranking member and chairman have pointed out that we can have secondary sanctions. they are bill does just that and secondary sanctions are where we threatened another country or a bank or other company in another country with sanctions if they do business with north korea. but before going to designate those who provide material support to the dprk we would start with the government of china which doesn't just do business with north korea but gives them free money, free oil, subsidies. and i know the ambassador pointed out that the chinese have perhaps on occasion stifled north korean behavior by pushing them to be a little bit less

aggressive but the fact is that just last month they threatened to blow multiplexes in the district of every member up here. sans not sure that they have been all that stifled. i don't think china has made a strategic decision. for now regardless of the annoyances they are backing north korea, everyday every day they are giving them free oil. every day they are supporting the militarily and diplomatically. and so we would have to do things that china disagrees with. do things to chinese companies do things to china's own trade relationship to one thing we could do is designate them a currency manipulator if they don't radically changed their behavior towards the korean peninsula. this has the chance of being a true. they are a currency manipulator. since were probably unwilling to do that we will target this or

that chinese company or bank. i think with some success to at least suppressed unknowing north korea. china seems have made a strategic decision that north korea's success is so important that they will give them free money. so i can imagine that it will allow us to completely shut off their banking relationships. so i support all the efforts of the gentlemen here, and the ranking member at the chairman, to try to turn the spigot down a little bit but it don't think we can turn it off. there's one other thing we can do. first, we are to reflect that this was a unique attack but it wasn't just an attack on the company. it was an attack against freedom of speech in the united states. and so i would like to give north korea a double dose of free speech. we spent $8 million broadcasting into north korea. we could increase that the 16. that's an additional cost of 8 million, or roughly one

thousands of 1% of what we spend on the naval, air and land forces to confront north korea. right now we're broadcasting into north korea only 11 hours a day. the target is 12 hours a day. it out to b-24 hours a day. and i believe that those broadcasts will undermine the regime, both with the people and the elite. i can't think of anything we could do for $8 million that would better express our dedication to the first amendment, and deposing difficulties for the north korean regime. i don't like to explore satellite television broadcasting into north korea, and other television broadcasting because i particularly want to broadcast a particular movie, and i hope that we do the directors cut before they toned down the climactic scene. i commend to all of those on the

committee at december 8 report just a month old issued by the broadcasting board of governors which, of course, oversees voice of america and radio free asia. this report was issued pursuant to the north korean human rights reauthorization act that went through this committee. general, how certain are you and i realize now you're out of government so you may not have seen all the information that north korea is the entity that both have to sony -- act terrorist action against our movie theater? >> thank you very much for the question, sir. just a click occasion i have just changed uniform. i'm still part of the government. i retired from active duty and was recruited to come on board

dhs as a deputy assistant secretary. >> thank you for the clarification. >> thank you. attribution of these type of events is not a function of my organization but it's a function of the intelligence of law enforcement community. that said, i'm very well familiar with the attribution methodology, the preservation of evidence and thus the things that are done by the intelligence and the law enforcement community. and based upon what i've seen in consultation with my partners from both intelligence committees and law enforcement communities, in this particular incidents i have trust and confidence in their conclusions. >> and using more than some of these outside experts on 24 hour news channels that think they can second-guess the fbi? >> yes, sir, i have seen one so my colleagues in the private sector. >> thank you. i yield back. >> we go to mr. mike mccall

spent i thank the chairman spent by the way, are chairman of homeland security. >> thank you. we just passed a bill last day last congress five cybersecurity built. one codifying general as you know nccic which is like cyber command within dhs giving the congressional seal of approval. i think is really civilian portal to the private sector when sony happened, had asked the question, welcome which of the 16 critical infrastructures does this fall under? and it's a bit it's not clear. i know the president is announcing a cyber plan this afternoon. i just got off the phone with the secretary. i think the vision is to make the department of homeland security the portal server interface to the private sector between the federal government

and the private sector. sharing information from the recent data points whether it the nsa fbi through the intake to the private sector with liability protection to incentivize participation in this civilian interface safe harbor, if you will within the department. i just wanted and after this i want to talk about before but there's aspects of cyber and the cyber jihad threats to centcom that we recently just saw. how do you view the rule of nccic, dhs broadening with respect to the event that happened with sony? >> thank you very much, sir, for the question, and thank you very much for your leadership in helping us with the legislation that just passed, and your continued support of the department. thank you very much. ..

as well as representatives from the department of defense. so we're sharing information. we're vfry transparent with each other. the information ranges from top secret sensitive compartmented information to unclassified information. we're finding that these partnerships having everybody colocate and working together is helping s