i included a 2 percent pay raise in my proposal that i paid for with the savings of the coverage gap i was disappointed to see that remove from the final budget well the revenue picture prevented me from the budget i submitted died on monday with like to see our final compromise include a raise for our state employees. let me be clear i am open to that idea if you come to me with a plan to raise pay i will give it the consideration that it is due as long as it does not cut education or health care and other essentials services. [applause] as we begin our second legislative session in

together i am proud to look back and all the b have achieved with new jobs in the response of the balanced budget and smart reform to testing with a stronger mental-health system a greater equality of opportunity all across the commonwealth we've made great progress together but serious challenges remain i have every confidence we can beat them but only if we work together and though the if we start today division i have shared with you tonight it does not originate from confrontation or partisanship but job creation and originates from the place that i know all live you share to put virginia on the path of sustained long-term growth

so all of our children and your child in every child can have the same opportunity to succeed that we have had. so as the committee meetings and hearings begin in the bills start to fly a want to thank each and every member of the general assembly for your leadership your service to virginia and the genuine kindness and respect that you have extended to my family and to be over the past year. if that bipartisan spirit continues to guide our work together i know we will leverage 45 days from now with a budget that closes the revenue shortfall to invest in key priorities for growth. i know we will have revitalized the common wealth approach to giving capital development so every child has an equal shot at economic success and i know we will continue the work to

expand our economic infrastructure to create those jobs of the 21st century and i know we will take action to make virginia a safer more welcoming to people from all walks of life and with every step that we take together, i know we will move boldly to the new virginia e. economy that our families deserve. my friends, this is a moment for history. and i am honored to share it with you. make god bless you. and may god bless the commonwealth of virginia. thank you. [applause] [cheers and applause] [applause]

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the last visit was in june joining is that the table is his life and made partner of the roanoke virginia law firm. chairman goodlatte earned his bachelor's degree at state college of made ready served as president of the college republicans and came to virginia to the law school then he served two years as district director and then practiced law until the election to congress on his first try in 1982 as part of the law practice that included immigration law. in addition he also serves on the house agriculture committee where he was chairman from 2003 through 2007 and interested in technology issues serving as co-chair of the chairman of the house publicly technology working room now

to process though life plucking or tweets or firing of any kind while the breakfast is under way so people can listen to what the guest says there is no embargo when the session is over to help you resist that selfie your twi will e-mail pictures of the session to the reporters when the session ends please send me a nonthreatening signal if you have a question. we will start by offering our best to make opening comments to talk about the judiciary committee's agenda in 2015 suez may be longer than the traditional three or four minutes but then after that we have questions >> thanks for inviting me back to the "christian science monitor" breakfast breakfast, is the pleasure to be here with my wife mary

ellen who is a practicing attorney in roanoke virginia does not get to washington as i was like -- as i would like but my daughter works in washington will be apparent soon so we're pleased that she will be coming up to see that granddaughter. [laughter] i want to thank -- take the opportunity that is a tradition to allow me to announce my committee agenda at this gathering. we have done this before and i am honored to do it again. let me start that i am proud of the accomplishments we had a 130th congress with the bipartisan and freedom act and innovation act and numerous bills aimed at reduced legislation from

frivolous lawsuits. of the new congress is looking to build upon our work from the 113th congress under been leadership there will continue to advance an agenda focused on creating jobs to make america more competitive and free. it plays a critical role to a chance pro-growth policies to create jobs to restore economic prosperity for those across the nation to reach your the administration is held accountable. i am committed to restoring accountability to provide relief from the excessive regulation from job creators who need it most. american small-business owners are suffocating under bureaucratic red tape and the uncertainty discourages employers from hiring new police to expand their business. that means higher prices

prices, lower wages, if you were jobs and less economic growth and a less competitive america purpose yesterday the house passed the act that seeks to raise in excess of regulatory cost. the legislation that i introduced with collin peterson requires a federal government to adopt the least costly method to effectively implement the al lot. washington's endless road blocks to drain america's hard earned wages and stand in the way of opportunity and growth. americans face of a burden of $3 trillion from federal taxation and regulation and our federal with the tory burden is larger than the 2013 gdp to fall top-10 countries in the world and that and -- adds up to $15,000 per american household nearly 30% of average household income of 2013 in an effort to protect

from effective regulation they will look at net neutrality last year the committee held a hearing if antitrust law or regulation is more effective to protect consumers on the internet. the conclusion was the regulatory approach leaves consumers with fewer choices and higher prices the antithesis of neutrality. the internet does not need the one-size-fits-all government mandate to insure neutrality and consumers to not need an extra $84 per been added to their annual bill as a result of some of that neutrality eric regulations. the key to the open in free internet of antitrust laws they allow for maximum flexibility and consistently demonstrate their ability to prevent discriminatory and

fancy competitive conduct in the marketplace i also want to mention the judiciary committee has an array of state taxation issues across state lines that we will plan to address in this congress to permit act passed with strong bipartisan support last year and we intend to move that for word as well. that is on and do and discriminatory taxes like access fees to the internet that can add 24 turvey 5% to the cost compared to what does happen right now with your telephone that is one issue and another is taxation of internet sales.

is to get the revenue that they missed when someone buys an item from august a. we are hard at work for that. into focus on legislation like the fact acta that encourages openness and transparency in the system in to insure they make the illegitimate victim did not make abusive claims they will build upon the work of our over criminalization in task force that i created last congress with a redundant collection the one of those recuring themes that the judiciary committee

review all criminal laws and i'm happy to report that last week the house clarified the jurisdiction but crew realization over criminal law. by making this change but in those rare instances by amending a statue to into a criminal penalty without the penalty itself. looking to work with other committees to ensure the new contract is worthy of criminalization that are appropriate drafted i believe the small clarification of the jurisdiction will allow us to address any problems associated with a tangled web of criminal law. also to discourage frivolous

patent regulation the strength lies on the ability to build on innovation in the 21st century the last congress it was passed with overwhelming support in this legislation is necessary to protect american businesses large and small from abusive patent litigation despite that wide range of supporting refuse to accept a look forward to working with the new senate to get patent reform access as quickly as possible traditionally their judiciary committee will continue the important work with our comprehensive review of copyright law. the goal has been to determine if they are still working in the lead to a shoe reward creativity and innovation part of the

successful review is to bring diverse stakeholders' together to have a conversation on various issues. so far we have held 18 hearings and i believe they have been successful and productive with the various stakeholders interested parties to discuss the issues they face we will hold hearings to examine the last remaining issues and we will work together with all stakeholders from the technology committee to find consensus on the areas of the copyright act that need improvement. for the more technology will help solve many of the pressing problems our nation currently faces. make sure the efforts are focused on creating incentives to encourage innovation to eliminate policies that hinder it so looking at modernizing the privacy act to reflect the current digital economy also

to have less stable fiscal outlook to look at broad institutional reform by the balanced budget amendment. of the first day of the new congress i reintroduce constitutional amendments the senate failed by one vote to pass the balanced budget constitutional amendment. con presented to the state for ratification in 1995 we would not be facing the fiscal crisis we are today to balance the federal budget would be the norm rather than the exception. in order for congress to make the tough decisions necessary for fiscal responsibility congress must have the external pressure of a balanced budget requirement as 49 other 50 states do. every congress since 2007 have introduced amendments require congress to balance the budget with as consider that the impact it has on our future in future

generations and should not passenger were children or grandchildren the bleak future better and sustainable spending has created. the amendment will force congress to eliminate spending and make decisions to balance the budget. congress was also continue the debate on immigration reform. we all agree the system is in desperate need of repair and not working as efficiently as it should. the first priority however is stopping president obama unconstitutional actions that has disregarded the will of the american people to violate the constitution by unilaterally changing immigration laws they not only threatened to throw in checks and balances but i believe the executive over reach must be stopped. they will consider several

amendments to cut off all funding for these actions whether appropriation funds in it in terms of fixing a broken emigration system with a step-by-step approach to address many of the issues and basing the immigration system this includes comments in stages to the legal immigration program including those that address high skilled workers so works in the best interest of our country. >> we need to do a time check. >> i just have so much information. the judiciary committee will play a key role in safeguarding the constitutional rights of u.s. and decisions from the first amendment protection of religious freedoms to the

fourth and it is a safeguard against unreasonable search and seizure to the fifth amendment private property guarantees. this obligation is forever enshrined working to make sure government continues to protect these freedoms reforming our intelligence program that civil liberties and national security are protected class congress operated under fisa had three hearings and reached agreement on the bipartisan in usa freedom act is

och >> >> the president's actions definitely complicated this considerably. the river is the matter of trust involved debt quite frankly the american people to not trust them to force immigration laws. but the massive administrative legalization the president has undertaken is not only of bad immigration policy but if a president can do this it can do anything.

with a article powers of the constitution in direct authority to the congress not to the president whose duty is to execute the lot. stopping the president's actions are critical to make progress on immigration reform. so we start with enforcement than a host of other issues including legal immigration reform to determine that opprobrious status. >> is a of a lot of talk about the amendments that will be offered for the homeless security appropriations bill and that will complete the defund the power grab and the deferred action for childhood rival programming and also with the lawful alien parents.

so there is a lot of talk about those amendments and the fact they will make life very difficult for senate republicans who have to go to on the back of provisions complicating the business of holding the senate. do you worry about that? >> no. the area that has a lot of concern with the president's executive over reach goes beyond immigration into whether the president can take his pen in his own to actual whole host of areas for he has done so beyond the scope of -- has been signed whether obamacare or drug enforcement or environmental laws.

and he has exceeded that authority. we are reaching this week with senate republicans at the annual retreat that will start later today in this will be a hot topic of discussion there but we expect to work collaborative flee with the senate to see what ways the new senate can help to challenge the president who is succeeding -- succeeding authority. >> appointed to ask about the patent over here and -- overhaul bill. that you review at this washington d.c. quicksand so what needs to change is in your bill? and what policy hurdles were

made? >> we're always listening to a radius about how to improve the patent system. three years ago we had a bipartisan bill that is designed to improve the quality of the system going forward. and we're already seeing fair results to conduct oversight on that alleged a legacy of two decades of poor quality patents to be utilized by the patent trolls to cause a lot of problems for businesses and this incentivized the benefit to ring courage innovation and job creation. that was the purpose and it did pass was by -- bipartisan support and also the white house budget went to the senate there was a

lack of will even though in the last senate there was broad bipartisan support. i think it is even stronger in the new senate. they're very interested to begin the early start on that. we are collaborating with them but at this point my position is we had a strong bill that will move to the house and the senate and what kinds of changes need to be made we're open to that but we have a good product coming out of the gate based on what we did with the last congress and that is the foundation upon which we move forward but we have no details on that at this point. >> back on the subject of immigration, said the two channels that are used to

challenge the president's authority.

it is what the legislation that we are taking up today is all about and that rests upon the simple fact that the congress has the right to write the laws under article i and appropriate funds for programs under article i and if we are successful in using that legislation to cut off the funding and make it clear that there is no legal authority for the president's actions then we don't need to get to litigation so that's our first effort right now but if that doesn't work out that not only should we continue to support efforts by other groups and i think there will be

others beyond the state attorneys general who will bring litigation to the area because many people are detrimentally affected by the president's action but the congress itself should bring its own litigation because of the separation of powers argument and that the president is asking in article i of the constitution where he does not have the authority to do that and that's a separate issue from it any individual group or group of attorneys general would have a basis for bringing action. we need to protect the right of the people to their elected representatives to write the laws of the land. >> those things aside going through those motions on challenging the president so. >> let me just point to the last congress to the homeland security committee passed one bill through the committee.

the judiciary committee passed for bills all dealing with various aspects of enforcement and immigration reforming our legal immigration program. those bills are all very good bills and it would be my opinion that we should continue work on those bills but one of the problems that we have is that there is a lack of trust in the president enforcing the laws of some of the people who would like to see immigration reform in the congress say well why would we reach agreement to do new reforms when we can't trust the president to carry out the law? why would we expect him to carry out new laws so that causes a problem. in addition some of the people who agree with some of the president's actions less motivated to make the tough decisions about enforcing the law for example when they are getting a good portion of what they want in terms of this

administrative legalization of people without having to make those concessions and that again goes right back to the separation of powers issue. writing legislation is very tough. this president is not making it easier when he tries to do it on his own. >> first off in your run-through priorities you -- in here dimension of sentencing reform or police actions. the speaker last fall some of the people in the party of said congress should take this issue up no matter what happens in two different instances last year with a great profile. are there any plans to do that in your committee and secondly given what you are saying this morning about the lack of trust for the president should we all be writing off any hope of republicans doing anything new on immigration until this president has gone?

>> that is going to depend upon how much progress we have made in getting the president to enforce the law rather than try to circumvent the law. getting back to your other two points the first one and there are two separate things. one is sentencing reform and there's a lot of other related issues to that stem from our over criminalization task force which did a lot of work and had a lot of hearings last congress and produced a lot of good ideas and a whole host of areas. we are interested in reviewing these areas. it includes looking at the sentencing process. it includes looking at making sure that people who are charged with crimes are indeed the actual perpetrator of the crime

and not someone who is being falsely charged. if we can improve our criminal justice system we are interested in looking at that. we also think there is even more ground to be gained in looking at prison reform. we think this is an area that the state, some of the states have had considerable success in so i asked my staff last year to look at states that had had a reduction in their prison population at the same time they have had a reduction in the crime rate or the recidivism rate. so we had a hearing and invited several and they gave us a number of ideas on how to conduct prison reform and so that's on our list. we are also concerned about the fact we now have over 5000 federal criminal laws 5000 and they continued to increase at

the pace that is to that is too rapid and that's one of the reasons why we ask for the change in the house rules that makes sure that any legislation that criminalizes an activity can be reviewed by the judiciary committee to make sure that it is not duplicate if, to make sure that it's within comparable patterns for the sentencing penalties provided in that sort of thing. but in addition most of those laws do not require any showing of criminal intent so now you can be doing something as an individual or an employee of a business or small business owner that you think is good for your family good for your employees good for your customers whatever and find not only have you run afoul of one of the myriad federal regulations but now

you're being charged with a felony. there should be a requirement that you show criminal intent before you can become criminally liable as opposed to civilly liable for inaction and there's a lot of bipartisan interest in that as well. we also want to recognize that state have thousands and thousands of criminal laws and lots of times the government does need to add a criminal law to the state law. sometimes we do but certainly not always so there's a lot of work to be done in this area and i think you will see coming out of the committee this congress a number of bills in this area. >> to keep a sense of process we will go to -- next. >> i know you oppose this but do you think it would be

appropriate to lay out any types of priorities and if so what would they be and if not whether would go up after all undocumented immigrants? >> the fact of the matter is any government, any frustration has limited resources and they need to make decisions. the problem with the more -- martin mimosas they go on saying this is a more important priority in terms of are listed using resources but then they go through what is called a deferred action process where they confer benefits and allow legal status which historically has resulted in that status continuing on for years and decades for an individual so it's not just about what resources you have to enforce

the law. it's about whether you actually are changing the status of people who are not lawfully here. and so we have not changed through these amendments that are going to be taken up today. all of the enforcement priorities of the administration we have just looked at those that are the root of what became a much larger program for deferred action for childhood arrivals which covers half a million or more people and then the president's announcement in december to take the first group was thousands in the second was hundreds of thousands and now you have millions of people. the president saying he can act unilaterally upon not just to use discretion but to confer an array of benefits on them that

allows them to remain in the united states and seek employment and do other things that there have been no policy decision made by the lawmakers in this country. the president has taken it upon himself to change the law. in fact he used those very words when he announced his decision back in december after he had on more than 20 occasions said that he did not have the authority to change the law in the areas that he subsequently acted upon. we agreed with him when he said he didn't have the authority and we think he should have restrained himself under his own understanding of the law and we have got to challenge that. the more memos is a deferred action for childhood arrivals are the strain of growth to and what is now four to 5 million people that he seeks to legalize at this point in time and he doesn't have the authority to do that. they would have to challenge

that. >> when you're talking about deferring you are specifically talking about dr. anthony daca program or are you talking about people. >> i'm talking about people given employment authorization and travel documents. i'm talking about being given tax benefits, tax credits and so on. there are many benefits and even though certain benefits are not allowed to them under the law and so far he hasn't sought to keep those. >> mr. chairman that's a very impressive -- i was curious there are so many questions that it raises. i just want to focus on a constitutional budget amendment aspect of it. could you talk about what if any exceptions and idea amendment would contain and/or what

mechanisms for creating situational conditional exceptions would contain national security issues and economic problems? >> introduced to balance budget amendments house resolution 1 in house resolution 2 on opening day. house joint resolution 1 has restrictions in addition to requiring the budget being balanced balance it requires a supermajority to raise taxes and that they cap on the percentage of the growth -- gross domestic product in the country that can be spent by the federal government of 20%. the house joint resolution number two does not have those two additional requirements but it is the same one that passed the house with a very strong bipartisan bill in 1995 and failed in the senate by one

vote. as you know constitutional amendments don't go to the president after they occupy two-thirds of the house and two-thirds of the senate. they go directly to the state legislatures for ratification. in fact the states have another way of bringing about a constitutional amendment which a number of them are engaged in seeking to do right now. in fact 24 of them have called the great constitutional commission which has never happened during our current constitution was written i went into effect in 1789. it is a tool under article v of the constitution for them to go ahead and do that. now both of these amendments have protections against declarations of war and times of national emergencies. under decoration of war that congress can vote by simple majority to say we can't balance the budget this year and we are not going to do that but even in times of non- war by supermajority they can vote to say because of a severe economic

crisis or another reason we can't balance the budget in a particular year. i think the vagaries of life in what goes on in the world that often can't predict and control necessitates having those provisions that those should be the exception rather than the rule. in the last 50 years the federal government has only balanced its budget for times in 50 years and really it should be the other way around. 50 years there might be for exceptions because of severe economic crisis or war that you wouldn't balance the budget. most of the time you would balance it. if that were the case we would not have an 18 trillion-dollar national debt. >> how would dynamics affect the application of the amendment? do you said there would be 20%

limit on gdp taxation. would dynamics apply to that? >> that's an excellent question. first of all we don't have dynamics scores yet although we are working hard to get dynamic scoring because we think it's a realistic way of looking at what the impact of government tax incentive policies will be but i would think that dynamic scoring would reflect upon future projected revenues and a longer-term manner. the further you go out from a tax policy change the more dynamic scoring is going to affect it so you are required to balance your budget each year you have to take into account the fact that there will be some modification based on dynamic scoring. i don't think it would be as dramatic as the longer-term outlook.

>> mr. chairman last year civil rights advocates and even congressman sensenbrenner were pressing you to hold a hearing on the amendment two in their view fix some damage the supreme court created with its decision in a recent case involving the voting rights act and section for the formula. do you commit to holding a hearing this year? what has been the holdup if any? >> first of all we have held a hearing on the supreme court decision on this and we had constitutional law experts and come in and testify regarding that. one of the things that became very apparent from that hearing and from our very close examination of this is that there is are still very strong protections in the voting rights act in the area that the supreme court ruled on which is the question of whether or not certain states that -- there

were 11 states all southern states that were required by law to seek preclearance of any changes where polling places are located in other matters like that. the court found that the instances of discrimination were very old for the most part and there was not a justification for holding those states to a different process and a different status than the rest of the states. there is still in section 3 of the voting rights act a process whereby both individuals and states and the attorney general of the united states can bring actions where they find discrimination to be taking place. one of the remedies if the court finds that a state or locality has participated in discrimination is to propose for

reasonable period of time a reasonable requirement that they say you can't do it based on arbitrary factors so we have been continuing to study this issue. but to this point we have not seen a process forward that is necessary to protect people because we think the voting rights act is providing substantial protection in this area right now. we will continue to examine this. we will continue to listen to the concerns of individuals and we will certainly look at any instances of discrimination in people's access to the ballot box because it is a very important principle. my position is that the voting rights act is very important and it needs to be enforced and it needs to be enforced properly under the law and we we are watching closely to make sure it happens. >> i have two questions for thanks for indulging me. on immigration do you think that

there is support in the house republican conference for something on the world's status for those that are here? i know you don't like a special pathway to citizenship but is there something along the lines that congressman diaz-balart worked worked on her every other framework for you to get majority support in the congress and also there's a discussion this week about broadening the subpoena powers for certain committee chairman grade i know you guys are the most likely to keep the requirement that you consult the ranking member but maybe you could get broader subpoena power to do investigations into the obama administration. >> let me take your last question first. we believe this is a good administrative tools for a committee chairman to have particularly of chairman of a committee like the judiciary committee that has oversight of the justice department and oversight of the many different

types of investigations that are conducted by the justice department in which the congress itself has interesting conducting oversight of any administration to make sure that they are carrying out the law as they probably should. we have put in place a rules change that has been in place with other committees already that allows the chairman to issue a subpoena in consultation with the minority, with the ranking member of the committee and we do not have any specific plans at this point for you so that but we think it's efficient and effective tool when the house may not be in session for period of time when you need to act very quickly on a matter. we have made it very clear in discussing this with the members of the committee that it does not in any way preclude issuing

subpoenas which is historically the way it's been done and we say the consultation with the minority requirement which we have put into our ruled very seriously and it will be a real consultation. in order to be able to act efficiently and effectively in a timely fashion in certain circumstances we think it's important tool for the committee majority and its chairman to have. secondly with regard to immigration reform we are interested in reviewing and potentially taking action in all areas but we have got to take a step-by-step approach. this has been made even more important by the president's actions because to get much further down the road to where your question is directed there would have to be a tremendous amount of trust restored to the

american people that our immigration laws are being enforced and will be enforced in the future. and i won't take you through all of the details of the several bills that were past their our committee and the homeland security committee in the last congress that will be reintroduced and i hope acted upon in this congress that there are many reforms to our enforcement system that are necessary to make it work effectively even if it were being -- for example estimates are from 35 to 40% of people who are not lawfully in the country entered the country illegally so just securing the borders and sufficient. we need to have a better way of determining who has overstayed visas and a better mechanism for requiring those people who leave the country that we have right now. secondly we have reforms of our legal immigration system that are needed.

that will be a priority as well. but then the question of the appropriate status of people here and some have been here for a long time, is worthy of addressing but it has to be held back because of the fact that there is not trust on the part of enforcement in our laws and until they seek to enforce them i don't think they want actions and certainly the evidence i have seen is they don't want actions taken like the president has taken where he has decided he is going to unilaterally act. this has to be done very deliberately by the congress in careful debate and we certainly will have ongoing discussions about the fact that we have a lot of people in this country who are not lawfully here and they don't all have to be dressed -- addressed in one large program. each person has different

circumstances but there has been less than work in that area because there is not trust in enforcement so we have got to focus our efforts first on enforcement and legal immigration. >> we are trying to get julie and jeff then we will start with jeff. >> lester committee passed a bill that determined the standards to cap the need to stop a merger for preliminary injunction level and i'm wondering whether or not that's going to be priority and how you feel the outcomes of the litigations would be reviewed. >> joe stump the band. that's when we left out of our list but is definitely a priority for us. we think that the process by which mergers and acquisitions are reviewed is haphazard now

because of two different entities, the u.s. justice department and the federal trade commission review various antitrust issues is different and that we think is not good. it doesn't promote justice to have two different avenues that could lead to two different results and therefore the legislation that we brought forward in the last congress standardized that and it's something we will be pursuing this congress moving forward. >> julie. >> mr. chairman your committee as well as homeland security is asking for hearings on police brutality and looking to reign in police brutality after ferguson last year. do you plan to have a hearing like that? >> again we have been watching

this very closely. we have anticipated that there would be some reports perhaps from the justice department regarding what has transpired in terms of their examination of what the appropriate measures are to be taken by police officers and whether civil liberties are being properly protected and that would certainly provide the committee doing further work on this. in the meantime we can study this and i personally continue to believe and i think most members believe our police officers do very important work to protect our citizens from crime, keeping this safety as well but they must do it with respect for civil liberties of all americans that are provided for in our bill of rights. we are watching this closely and there may, in opportunity based

upon some specific report or other ideas or recommendations that could be the subject of a hearing but mild -- no decisions on that. >> on the marketplace discussion floating around this week what changes compared to the senate version last year do you feel will help convince leadership to bring this to the floor? >> first of all we held hearings in the last congress on this issue. we examined the marketplace fairness act and the senate bill very carefully. we disagreed with a number of the provisions in that bill and we set forth a list of seven principles which are available on the committee web site.

i'm sure you have looked at them and if you haven't i would commend them to you. so we held another hearing in which we invited people with a wide array of different ideas on how to solve this problem and the states not having the authority and i don't think they should have the authority to reach out and regulate citizens beyond their borders but citizens in the state are going to buy products from all over the country and all over the world and that definitely causes a loss of revenue to states and localities that are dependent on those revenues that come to the state laws. so finding pining away for the states to be able to collect those funds with the purpose of setting forth those principles. one of the most important to me is that we not allow the state to reach out and regulate a business outside of its jurisdiction so finding a way to collect these taxes with states

working with the businesses within their own state in the states working together to share the revenues collected on interstate transactions is what we think is the appropriate way to go. we call it the hybrid origin approach and we have been reaching out and sharing our ideas with interested parties in this matter. they come from a wide array from taxpayer organizations to retail businesses large and small to state and local governments to chambers of commerce to technologies and businesses and so on. we have really serious discussions about how to protect the taxpayers rights and the businesses rights at the same time we solve a problem that we

believe needs to be solved. >> a quick non- judiciary question. based on the sunny hack another high-profile breaches to do you think there'll be enough momentum to pass cyberinformation legislation and mission of the president talked about that yesterday? where do you stand on that? >> first place i stand on we don't have primary jurisdiction over the legislation. >> years of practice. >> i'm not the least bit offended but we take this very seriously and again finding ways to protect data of a wide variety from personal data to protect them against identity theft whether it's state of the

government against spies and terrorists or businesses to protect them against theft and intellectual property. we have people expressing concerns about the president's approach to this but i'm pleased that he is but the congress will work with the homeland security committee and the energy and commerce committee and the transportation infrastructure and many have an interest in this. we will work very closely with them on good cybersecurity legislation to make sure that government is working effectively and because i think that's the key to the solution here. i don't think governor -- government by itself can solve the problem and i don't think businesses by themselves can solve the problems. having the right way for

businesses and the government to collaborate on sharing information and setting standards is an important undertaking for the congress to do and we should not waste time on that. >> with that we are out of time. thank you for doing this are met. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you chairman goodlatte. it's good to have you here.

up next on c-span2 the justice department host the congress on policing practices and standards in the u.s.. then from the british house of commons prime minister david cameron talks about last week's attacks in paris. >> i wrote these books. there are two volumes. the reason i thought it was important to collect these histories is that wheeling transformed into an industrial city in the latter part of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century and it's kind of fun, and west

virginia and that it sure a lot of immigrants from various parts of europe here in search of jobs and opportunities. so that generation, that immigrant generation is pretty much gone. i thought it was important to record their stories and get the memories of the immigrant generation and the ethnic neighborhoods. it's an important part of our history. most people tend to focus on the frontier history, civil war history, those periods are important but of equal importance in my mind is the industrial period and immigration that wheeling had. >> wheeling wheeling starts as an outpost on the frontier. that river was the western extent of the united states in the 1770s. the first project funded by the federal government for road

production was the national road that extended from maryland to wheeling virginia and when it comes here to wheeling that will give this community which about that time was about 50 years old, the real spurt that it needs for growth. and over the next 20 to 25 years the population of wheeling will almost triple. >> a white house task force was created to look at police practices and make recommendations to try and improve relations between officers and the people they serve particularly in minority communities. coming up we will hear from officials from the naacp and

legal defense fund and the aclu. >> good afternoon and welcome back. before we get started i wanted to let people in the audience and those watching to the webcast know the period for comments from those in attendance on line will be at 3:30. for those on line we are starting to receive those to the web site at the e-mail of comments at task force police saying.us and for those in the audience the cards are being passed around. if you could write your comment on there and put your name on there so i can call people. we will have microphones

floating so we can come to you and you can make your comment. but that will be at 3:30 so we will give people a heads-up notices an opportunity to fill out the cards. >> good afternoon. i am laurie robinson, a cochair of the task force and i'm delighted to welcome all of you to the afternoon session. we are now going into panel for of our witnesses from the civil rights civil liberties community. we have four excellent witnesses with us this afternoon. i will be introducing each of them in turn and a reminder that they are full bios are both on line and in the handouts for those of you that are here with us in the audience. all of them are very accomplished so reading their full bios again would take up a great deal of time so i will be introducing them very briefly. we will be starting out with sherrilyn ifill who is president

director counseled of the naacp legal defense and educational fund. we are pleased to have you with us and please begin. >> thank you so much. thank you for the invitation to address the task force. the naacp legal defense and educational fund is the nation's oldest civil rights legal organization and as a result we have been engaged with the issue of excessive force and racial bias and policing since our inception 75 years ago. in fact the 2013 pulitzer prize-winning book devil in the grove details the work of thurgood marshall our first director counseled in leading efforts to challenge the shooting of unarmed african-americans in florida in 1949. last year the long-standing problem of police abuse and excessive force and communities

of color came to a head. the killings of damir rice in ohio john crawford to third in ohio come itself for a california mike brown in missouri jimmy powell in missouri and they assault on marlene pennock and california chris lely of minnesota lavar johnson south carolina and many others has finally captured the attention and outrage of americans of all races. the fact that many of these encounters have been captured on cell phone or videos has played an important role in convincing many people of what we have the legal defense fund have known for decades that there is a real problem of racial bias and policing in violence against unarmed african-americans against police officers. acknowledging this problem does not constitute an act of war or hostility toward the men and women of law enforcement. to demand an end to police brutality to an effective policing to violence against

unarmed and peaceful individuals is not to demonize the police. we recognize policing is hard and dangerous work. the communities of people we represent a good policing trustworthy police officers in a relationship with police based on trust and respect. and far too many communities in far too many encounters with law enforcement there is neither trust nor respect. we hope police officers to a higher standard than we impose on average citizens. that's because police officers are officers of the state with a sacred charge to protect and serve and we the people give them a nightstick and pepper sprayed and a taser and a shield of honor and the power to take human life. and with these awesome weapons comes awesome responsibility. the horrific series of brutal incidents we have seen this year in which officers have killed unarmed african-americans is either isolated nor new roots

deeply-rooted in deficiencies and law enforcement policies practices accountability structures training and transparency and reflects the reality of both explicit and implicit bias in policing. we have a moment to address this long-standing problem. we believe that if we take action now we can improve policing standards and semantic competence and law enforcement increase safety in the committee and safety for police officers. we have are to call upon the department justice to use its authority and substantial resources to address the problem and we will continue to engage with the department of justice on those issues. we also presented testimony before congress calling for federal reform specifically focused on elimination of government sponsored military style equipment in public schools. we are happy to first this task force with the documents and of course a more comprehensive version of the testimony i am presenting today has already been furnished to the task

force. we believe there are three critical elements that are urgently needed to address the crisis that we find ourselves in. one is the need for data and transparency. one of the most disturbing and truly astonishing dimensions of this problem is the absence of reliable data. we need a national publicly available database that documents police shootings, assaults and killings of unarmed individuals. second is training and supervision. we believe all policing and certainly committed to policing by its very nature must include training in how to confront and manage implicit racial bias improve training and de-escalation techniques improve training and managing encounters with even those who exhibit mental health concerns but of course training alone is insufficient. there must be proper supervision of officers to receive this training and finally there must be accountability for failure. accountability for failing to apply the techniques provided in the training for use of excessive force and killing

innocents is an essential part of building trust with the community. the single biggest source of mistrust within the community as it relates to the system of law enforcement is impunity of officers who violate the law or take a life of unarmed citizens. so we recommend also prosecutors be brought into your discussion. they play a vital role in helping to improve policing and to building trust between law enforcement and communities. finally we believe much of believe much about we believe much about we have proposed as relates to data collection training internal police standards for accountability is already required because we believe this information in the standards are essential to fulfill the department of justice's obligations under title vi of the civil rights act of 1964. title vi bars the provision of federal funds to any program that engages in discrimination. each year police jurisdictions around the country received more than half a billion dollars in federal grants to the justice

assistance grant program and other programs. proper stewardship of this program in accordance with title vi requires the department just to satisfy itself that individual police departments operate free from discrimination. it is our hope that the reform measures outlined in the submission of prove useful to the task force as it engages in the critically important work of improving the relationship between law enforcement and the communities they protect and serve and i welcome the opportunity to answer any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you so much. we are going to be holding questions until a whole of the witnesses have provided their testimony. next we are going to be hearing from laura murphy longtime director of the washington legislative office of the american civil liberties union. welcome. >> thank you. >> may be switchover.

>> thank you professor robinson and commissioner ramsey and we are grateful for the opportunity to testify. let me start by saying something and make it really clear that even though the aclu probably sues more police departments than any other organization the aclu absolutely supports all fair-minded, law-abiding and courageous police officers who put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe. however we can no longer nor the real crises that brought us here today. in some communities there is a deep distrust and lack of faith in law enforcement. just go a few miles over two and a costa and people will tell you about overzealous arrests for nonviolent offenses in the use of excessive and deadly force. these tactics have been used against children as well as

against persons with psychiatric disabilities. in new york city 50% of those stop-and-frisk are african-american. in maricopa county arizona latino drivers are nine times more likely to be stopped. right here in the nation's capital 91% of those arrested for marijuana possession are black and we know usage rates are about the same period in florida where black students make up 21% of the youth population they comprise 46% of all referrals to law enforcement. this data helps explain why criminal justice reform is one of the most important civil rights issues of the 21st century. the aclu has five recommendations for change some of which police departments have already adopted and every police department could adopt today.

and let me say i agree with all the recommendations that sherrilyn has made. our first recommendation is to end the unconstitutional and dehumanizing practice of profiling. we have to begin with this because it is the gateway to many dangerous and life-changing police encounters. the task force should recommend that police departments adopt model policies that prohibit law enforcement from profiling drivers passengers and pedestrians on the basis of race ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation and gender and gender identity. complaints of profiling should be investigated in a thorough and timely manner and office should be disciplined for infractions. second, we have to curb the excessive use of force. the chokehold has allegedly been banned in new york city but why

are we seeing its use on national television? the task force must encourage police departments to adopt comprehensive use of force policies and to conduct training on these policies and to implement a review and disciplinary process for the use of force incidents is better on lawful. we should emphasize de-escalation in our encounters with the public and not swat teams. third, we absolutely need data collection. how do we hold police departments accountable if we do not have sufficient information? the task force should encourage police departments to collect and report useful data in a uniform manner that allows officers to it engaged in misconduct to be identified. we need data on stops frisks, searches citations, arrests excessive use of force and

homicides, justifiable homicides. fourth, the task force should embrace civilian oversight of some kind of police departments. the aclu supports independent civilian review boards that have real power to investigate, to issue subpoenas and to make findings that are viable. civilian review boards that are properly constituted reflect the needs of the community and are transparent. they should provide fair and timely processes for officers and residents and their decisions should be enforceable. finally we asked the task force to do a top to bottom review of all federal policies and laws and grant programs that incentivize disproportionate arrests incarceration of poor

people and people of color. including the cops program and the grant program. even after 40 years of the war on drugs, drug use has not declined in the united states. it is time we call the war on drugs a failure and abandon these tactics that hurt minority communities disproportionately. in conclusion the current culture of policing demands far-reaching and systemic reform and warrants national attention and investment and for that reason i'm grateful to all of you for participating in this important task force. we hope the recommendations of the task force will break new ground and resultant policy changes that help end this policing and civil rights crisis crisis. the aclu stands ready to help all of them.

>> thank you so much director murphy. our third witness on this panel is the senior policy analyst for the texas public policy foundation's center for effective justice. welcome. >> thank you. it's a real pleasure to be here. i will just jump into. my name is fcra me ready and i am from texas from a think tank called the texas publicist -- public policy foundation. i work on justice focuses on the question of how we restored a conservative perspective to prison reform one that we have with all other issues when we focus on cost, focused on results and government accountability. conservatives talk about this all the time and fields of health care and education yet it was our perspective that for many years the server to stop asking the questions about criminal justice.

i don't care what the results are or what it costs and that didn't strike us as a limited government attitude. so we fought for reforms in texas and launched a national campaign called right on crime. i would like to talk a little bit about one primary recommendation that is not directed at police officers or members of the public but director that policymakers and legislators. that is reversing the extraordinary amount of over criminalization as we call it in american society. when the constitution was drafted there were three federal crimes treason piracy and counterfeiting. now the number of federal crimes numbers are something like 5000. those are the statues in their agency regulations that can be punished for criminal sanctions. those can be up to 300,000. those are just the federal crimes. they are countless state and local crimes that are simply unnecessary. i will tell you where i come

from we have 11 different felonies related to oyster harvesting. i used to think this was silly but i stopped laughing a few months ago when the awful tragedy occurred in new york city with eric garner. the chain of events that occurred that led to mr. garner's death began when the police confronted him about the fact that he was selling individual cigarettes rather than packs of cigarettes. that's a crime in new york and i think the most provocative thing, the most profound thing i read about the eric garner case came from a law professor at yale named stephen carter. he is liberal and views it differently than i do but i think he was spot on third he said with all of his first first-year law students ps the monday one not to support laws that you would not kill to enforce. and i should guotemack him directly here. professor carter said the police

are armed to enforce the will of the state and if you resist they might kill you. i think professor carter's advice shouldn't just be directed at law students by that policymakers but i'm going to close by telling a quick story that i think would be instructive here. a friend of mine in texas who is a district attorney was talking to them once about a reform bill is working on in texas. i don't remember the exact issue. had something do with low-level marijuana offenses and he thought that i thought that he was going to oppose me. he said vikrant you need to understand that i'm not going to instinctively oppose everything you are arguing for because i'm a prosecutor. what you should understand about prosecutors is when we are in law school and dreaming of going on to fight for public safety this is not what we spend our days daydreaming about. we want to catch killers, rapists and drug kingpins. that's what gets us up in the

morning i thought this was an interesting inside critic an interesting insight that he got me thinking about whether we could apply the symantec police officers. i highly doubt police officers in the academy are daydreaming each day about catching guys who were selling blue cigarettes on the corner of statin island. i think they want to catch murderers rapists and drug kingpins. the people in our community have lost profound trust in police officers because they feel understandably that their sons and their brothers are being harassed because police officers are confronting them and the costing them over issues that at the end of the day they don't feel our crimes. things that we have traditionally understood to be crimes. so i think we should really take a close look at the number of offenses in the society that we have categorized as criminal and we should consider re-categorizing many of them as

civil and consider eliminating several of them altogether. i should note that even though i come from a conservative think tank we have had a lot of support on this issue from across the aisle. i can only speak for my organization but on certain initiatives the aclu the national association for criminal defense lawyers have been supportive. representative bobby scott although i approach these matters from a right of center perspective i don't think they necessarily have to be left or right ideologically. i think the final thing i would say is reminding all policymakers to think about professor carter's extraordinary piece of advice and his law students generally speaking don't go around supporting laws that you would not be willing to kill to enforce. thank you. >> thank you. our final speaker on this panel is maria theresa kumar who is president and ceo of photo

latino. thank you so much. >> thank you both for having me here today that i want to thank everyone for inviting me to speak on this issue. we are national organization empowering latinas every day. today's topic is important a latino suspect about that when police put their lives on the line every single day and police officers like the rest of us deserve to go home at night. while recent high-profile confrontations between civilians and police have directly impacted the african-american community the latino community as a painful history of law enforcement agencies. this history includes the death of andy lopez manuel diaz and caesar cruz. latinos killed in the last two years at the hands of law enforcement. the recent immigration enforcement practice of arizona sheriffs and profile cases that stretch from connecticut to california plagued the latino

community in america. in preparation for this panel we reached out to the latino audience the social media sms and to provide feedback on how to improve relations between law enforcement in the community they serve. we receive more than 430 responses in less than 24 hours which tells us this is an issue important to our community and one that they want to engage with. let's be clear we had to cut off the deadline. we couldn't review them fast enough. we received at the first area for comments but a few themes emerged. first and foremost how can we use the rule role of law enforcement? the phrase used most often by folks have submitted applications was to serve and protect our communities. ..

>> >> even though they're less likely to be found to hold contraband with these

controversial stop and frisk programs from racial profiling and police targeting black by 85 percent of the time. 9710 searches the police find nothing. our recommendations are based on the latino audience. sole policing from immigration enforcement having police officers act is detrimental to public safety because they will not cooperate for fear of deportation. police officer should live in a community they serve and at minimum they should have a business degree with psychology anthropology and diversity. higher from a diverse pool of applicants and community members. with cultural sensitivity

trading across the country and they should be more involved in a committee participation is important. officer should receive training to interact with all of racer gender or economic status or sexual orientation. in california where protest broke out after two deadly shootings the city hire the first-ever hispanic police chief last year. and a loss his their expanding the committee -- committee to improve relations with the latino community. state legislators and some members of congress want to

propose legislation for those said to more harm data could. so to further provide recommendations with a cultural bias create curriculum at the police academy to reassure officer trading meets the needs of our diverse community and only is violence as a last resort most officers should have no need to be armed with military parade weapons. law-enforcement officials should be held accountable with third-party agency with a recording debated at -- database based off of racial profiling. and use of body cameras they should use by the cameras and audio and all times 80%

said yes they were concerned about the police able to do turd off overall they would benefit civilians as the program but specifically their elected to ring gauge because they are above one's head as a result of the police brutality with the kennedy building for what they served together there are too many examples of racial bias and i think the task force is the hope is to continue to solve the problem to make our communities jogger.

thank you. >> thanks to the witnesses here. we will start with the questions. >> the key madam chair. and thank you very much that we very much appreciate your perspective. we have had a problem to identify not just canada but previous panels which is up problem to create a diver's law-enforcement work force. i am curious if any of you particular talk about this. to have a specific recommendation on how that can be done in the context of specific recommendations that you submitted to higher for a diverse pool of applicants then raising the

educational requirements i know working with departments across the country in to make that associate's degree requirement. >> while i am not aware of the programs right now that i could share with you with nursing you have a strong lead in the state of california has an excellent program started with a high schoolers were they provided this trading with the eighth degree so that is how we

apply that issue and the gap you are describing and to apply that. >> i think this question is directly related to the question and we have today because part of what will help that is so critical in the context of civil rights because we believe that committees should be policed but reflects the diversity of that community. and yet in order to attract that diversity those that our eligible to conserve to view that as the good thing something honorable in their

community to the extent they see the police officers as an occupying force with your 70 new have been stopped half a dozen times that is not a recipe to make that 17 year old even with an associate's degree want to work with police officers so in order to recruit it does require that we changed not only the perception of who we are in our community. think of firemen and women they protect and serve in the community and they have a very different reputation. and a wonderful thing to do as an occupation and the challenge for with

communities among young people into something that they regard as honorable. but for their brothers and sisters to be at the cleveland events as a person who lives across the street. with the etf committee college to have college across the board for police officers but it is important to part of the question stemming aphakia for your testimony today.

in your submitted testimony talking about over a criminal rates also the interaction and a and to hear you say to end over criminalization i'd never heard that before so can you explain that a bit? i would love to know the expertise of education and law enforcement had to see the education systems locally and with them and attracting? >> i would love to your talk about that. first of all, broken windows has coincided with significant improvement also

with incarceration in that will be careful to say:cited. but it is notable that has incarceration of higher rates compared to other states. i think it would be fair to say that with the reduction could be this suburban windows. i would be willing to throw the broken windows out to the ftc that erosion of trust over police officers so it seems reasonable to say there is some causation there. not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but i

think the simple answer is liberally to thank you could remove any and still go after one and one is my written testimony and graffiti is a non-violent crime but i don't think there is anything improper as they did in your city 20 years ago and i suspect most would recognize that is the story from the property and that is it to go after.

i do think it is possible to have the windows strategy but also pulled back and improved trust that is at the core of the problem of what we are discussing. >> given the earlier panel with law-enforcement leaders i cannot refer which person talked about the jobs that the officers are given and it extends beyond law-enforcement and i am glad that question was asked about education. the over criminalization has not only permeated the community but the place of opportunity and development and that is the school talking about the pipeline

the criminal-justice apparatus and what does that mean? the looks that they get from the police is happening inside the school building and second police are increasingly used to engaged in disciplinary practices within the school and also students are increasingly being pushed into the criminal-justice system. we found the complaint two years ago were high school students were given in a criminal misdemeanor ticket forswearing for using profane language. that they assure diversity pipeline those who now

cannot serve as police officers with the record so if we think of the issue of over komer and -- criminalization the low hanging fruit is the school. we have to deal with the reality we have children who have needs there for counselors and better instruction form of music and humanities and resources in their community. so to the extent for people to see a future for themselves we have allowed that to pervade communities all over the country to enter the schoolhouse door to take up residence to meet that we should all agree that is something we have to address.

>> i completed the agree and i also think the problem around schools cents children up for failure in makes children on style to police officers when they're thrown out and expelled for these sorts of things. also the federal government has played a powerful role over the pipeline by making the data available to use the community to see which kids are being pushed out a cooperative agreement between the department of justice to show which schools have the greatest

that data is accessible to the federal government website and empowers the community and we see white kids of color or those with disabilities are suspended or expelled. that goes back to the point of flight data collection is so essentials. wed communiques have the information they can come together to say we have a problem. right now they are pitted themselves against communities and they're not able to come together around a common set of facts. we just have that from the policing role does wellhouse

>> said afternoon. i have a couple of questions usually very early on news spoke to of the recruitment of police officers. to have the two year degree maybe with a diversity year sociology or something to that effect. correct? and i am an agreement first of all,. but that being centcom there are a number of people who are dialed and to watch this and ask the question if you present that as a recommendation when it comes

to police recruit -- recruitment 58 seniors of page so could you elaborate on that recommendation? why is it so for recruitment of police officers in this country and in addition the educational tracks that you also did to and that is well to. >> right now we're living in the moment the most diverse people we have ever experienced but also living in a segregated america. and my recommendation is the

belief they could take a young kid from rural america who has never seen a latino and african-american and the full interaction is what they see on tv. is there an opportunity to be introduced to sensitivity? and that majority as well. the more you can expose the officers to the lessons the stronger they are.

>> and i have one additional question. i often hear and a half of this challenge in my community but many do. often times we find it difficult to recruit african americans, hispanics, people of color. in many communities across the country for a variety of reasons. so the question in that i posed the i think is critically important is even though i think any agency should not stop trying to recruit that population and no matter how challenging because it is essentially imported to provide good police service butted

absence of that, would any of you agree that you have to have good human beings who are richer, sensitive, a good self-esteem, and a very strong internal control of selfie and confidence and some life experience with the level of education to suggest they would make a well-rounded individual to go into any community in america whether black or white or hispanic to have a basic fundamental police service. do you have a comment or agree with that? >> dash a gatt would be useful to talk to police chiefs who have diversified their police force with their tactics that work and

don't work i think when you were here in washington d.c. that we had the latinos here but there were no latino police officers but now when you drive through now pleasant you see a much more diverse police department there are those that figured out notwithstanding those bad images how to attract and recruit people. >> but that is not my question. we will figure that out over time but in the interim are we capable to still higher in trade men and women who are capable to provide a good police service regardless of who we are as we move to that diverse

population? >> i think young men and women right now have the intention to serve and protect the defenseless but somewhere along the line did is lost in translation why they cannot do their job but the underlying issue as a country we are no longer, if it was a luxury to figure out this inner-city problem letting california and texas or florida of the majority of children case through 12 are latino or african invasion or asian they are the work force that will fill up the police department soon. we don't have the luxury of time. we have to stop saying it is nice to have. but with police brutality is

becoming clear that it is a necessity. that our institutions including law-enforcement reflect that of what it is today. >> i want to sound a word of caution on this because i am quite capable to keep these in my head at the same time but absolutely must tab diversity in every work force but especially the police force that engages at that level in the community. but diversity is not the silver bullet. there are communities where we have diverse police force is like baltimore right have lived 20 years. we have an excellent police commissioner now but we have our share of problems with

policing. we are under review by the department of justice. so to make clear what we're talking about is a culture of policing and black officers and latino officers are just as capable to adopt a problematic culture. we need to change the culture of policing and you are right. part of the changes identifying the people you were describing. it is interesting we think of them to be a bright and shining 18 years old. remember? we were not that bright. we thought we were. [laughter] we did not know all lot and we needed to richer. i mean this. is a dove, issued a church door homage control you had to develop or learn about

human beings. but what we can do is teach them that but we have to be intentional about that. this is what looks like. but then do we are failing them if we don't provide them with the training that they need to perform at the level we want them to perform at. a bias is something every person in this room has. we walked into room and we start to do shorthand and most of us take the time to learn about another person and the views are sometimes confirmed but often in changed. that is a conscious act.

wed reseed a police officer to roll up and shoot a 12 year-old in two seconds, that is a problem so the question is what our retraining of the engaged your rate police officers to do? what is that package of skills? it is not just the weapon is the psychology to know yourself and how to manage it and that is real work. >> we have a very restricted number of minutes left. >> they keep for your testimony i appreciate you have very specific recommendations but i would ask about those in a particular way.

but your recommendations might be characterized as best practices? would you be willing to offer any ideas about moving beyond best practices to create a structure with those safety is that you offer are more standardized or mandatory for the thousands of police forces across the country? >> when i was trying to suggest it is how over time you change careers. take data collection if you

give a grant to a police department then in order to reduce the grand you require certain data and ask questions like how many people are on the floors or what kind of activities or trading but you could ask specific questions what kind of trading? the escalation in training or specific data about encounters with the mentally ill or the diversity of the police force from one year to the next or civil rights complaints and the question instead you ask about the data you think is important will seep