... i can say and you probably want to answer this is how do we go about that and what is the rulemaking going to be when they talk about uas in that law

enforcement arena? >> that's a great question thank you and i think for law enforcement is probably the easiest to solve because you simply say these are the rules for whether or not you can engage with the uas and whether that evidence can be a committed into a hearing because obviously the point upon enforcement is to stop crime and the only way to stop crime is to convict and the only way to to convict is to use admissible evidence so that's pretty simple to say this is not allowed and you have rulemaking and people vote on it. the stickier point is the guy that is not being regulators the hobbyists using the systems to peek into somebody's window and a lot of people have those concerns and they are valid concerns but i would harkin this back to when phone manufacturer starting putting cameras in cell phones. people were very concerned about this. sam song is a matter of fact there was a rule you could not have a camera equipped phone on the campus of samsung.

obviously every single employee has a camera in their pocket so i think people realize what this new technology that's probably not tens of thousands of would-be criminals just waiting for the perfect technology to be able to spy on each other and i think it's a matter of education. what can you get at the apple store wireless-based monitors and drop cams and things that could be easily set up silently and very small and not noticeable in somebody's house versus allowed blinking led up from flying out the window. the reason i mean so i think it's just a matter of education and a matter of saying let's leverage existing anti-invasion of privacy laws and make sure that those laws are applied to whatever technology is being used based on privacy and there should be consequences. >> i guess what i would follow-up on it so we have an existing technology that does this the chases bad guys from the air so i guess mr. wynne you

could answer this. if they faa follow the same exact rules as in today's law enforcement would they follow the same roles or would they be able to do different things because you know the helicopter can fly like a uaf can. they can do the things that the small uas can do so that is i think would be a question for congress as are we going to latch those rules to make it more available for the troops on the ground and the cops on the ground to use them in a different manner? >> one of the initiatives we took back in 2012 was to set up a special process called for in our reauthorization and 2012 for law enforcement and we have been working directly with individual law enforcement agencies around the country. there are some that have had success with their aircraft in its entirety for my office to continue to support law enforcement of unmanned aircraft

to find ways to improve their operations. i have two individuals who do that as their full-time jobs. so we very much support finding ways for law enforcement to use unmanned aircraft safely. >> thank you. >> congress might just wanted to point out in an earlier effort we did work with the international association of the chiefs of police to develop guidelines and i'd be happy to savannah for the record. >> thank you and thank you mr. kerry. >> thank you mr. nye and the gentleman from utah mr. neuhaus you are recognized. >> thank you mr. chairman i thank all of you for being here today to enlighten us about this important and enlightening subject of agriculture. i do support the vision for the future. a couple of questions and i think dr. lauber i might start with you. i've heard a couple of things that talks about the potential

of the unmanned industry public and privately and then also the importance of safe integrating these unmanned systems and to the national airspace. speaking about that and realizing the speed in somebody's innovations are happening it seems that should be a primary focus of what we are talking about. i am curious about the investment of harmonizing systems with the manned platforms specifically talking about collision avoidance systems and general perhaps specifically in a bsp transponder in those kinds of things so if you could talk a little bit about that. >> i think you have already addressed some of the key considerations that we took up in our report. clearly in order to achieve success in integrating these systems into the airspace and in

realizing the potential benefits of the systems we have to do it in such a way that safety is not adversely impacted. it will not fly so to speak to introduce these things in such a way that imposes or adds risk to the system. dr. hansman stoutly and a couple of the key risk that have to be understood collision with the other aircraft in collision with the ground and trying to systematically understand those things is very important and the faa's effort to undertake a systematic analysis of the risk that applies to the systems is an equally vital part of this. you know one of the top floor and most difficult research projects that we have identified was what we called continuous operation without human intervention and in order for

uas to do this basically a uas must have the capability of doing what any manned aviation system does in the present environment so you have got to make up for all of the missing centers taking people's eyeballs out of the vehicle. you have to somehow substitute for that. the ability of humans to make decisions in real time based on unexpected or unanticipated situations, you have to build to build that into the technology in order to maintain the levels of risks that we have now. so these are of fundamental importance as far as our study is concerned. >> thank you and then another question i can't let the faa off the hook totally. in a recent interview in business insider magazine the ceo up amazon jeff bezos was asked a question about when you

might possibly be delivering packages using these systems and maybe you have read that article but it highlights perhaps for lack of term overregulation in the u.s.. he answered a longer answer that i don't have time for but the technology is not going to be the regulation and so as was already talked about with a dozen or 14 approvals already for commercial uas can you explain why there are hundreds or maybe thousands and other countries that have been approved and we lag behind so to speak? >> well, i'm not sure i agree that we lag behind. we don't have a specific role for small aircraft but we also have the most complex airspace in the world.

we have the largest number of general aviation operators in the world and it's a different regulatory and legal framework here than in some of the other countries. part of my job is to interact with counterparts from around the world to understand what they are doing and benefit from their experience so we are taking those things into consideration as we move forward forward. there are multiple paths for commercial operations. we have to operators approved in alaska who are using certificated aircraft that have gone through the manned certification process adapted for use by foreign unmanned aircraft. obviously all those worlds for manned aircraft did not apply to them but they there are commercial operations available that way in addition to this new way we found through section 333 process that is designed to

bridge us to that regulatory environment we are trying to achieve with the smaller manned aircraft rule. >> thank you. >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you mr. newhouse. the gentleman from texas. >> thank you mr. chairman and i don't know where to start. are the permits -- let me understand this. i came in late. there have been 14 permits of approved is that right? >> for small civil aircraft operators yes. we has to certificated aircraft operating commercially in alaska and there are a tremendous number over 700 public aircraft operators in other words government are pretty silly of a prude. >> are they based on size mr. williams? category 1 might be that you can

fly up to 200 pounds, 500 pounds or is there a weight limit? >> the faa takes a risk-based approach to all of our approvals so the reason there are different levels of approval is there a different models of risks for these very small ones we are approving print exemption process where simply because of the size and weight in the operating environment we are basically waving the manned aircraft rule so they don't have to comply. >> what is the small wet? >> under 55 pounds was legislated in our 2012 reauthorization. >> are there proved operators? >> yes sir. on the public aircraft operations side the global hawk aircraft both nasa and dod flies approximately same size. >> are they able to cross into

mexico and canada without violating airspace issues? >> i believe the dod flies around the world with their unmanned aircraft and they are following the rules for manned aircraft the same way as they do do. >> what about private companies? do you they cross into canada? >> we currently don't have any approved private companies operating across the borders and a committee what they call a panel has been formed at a kea to develop the international standards of recommended practices for unmanned aircraft crossing between countries so that regulatory legislation is being developed. >> when a company gets approval it gets a license. what do you collect? >> we call the certificated i

guess. >> okay, does that process of certification get reviewed after one year, two years? >> from the standpoint if it's approved through type certificate it's indefinite. there is no restriction on that. so the process we are doing to the exemptions those good for two years. >> okay so if one of these units falls out of the sky and hit the car in the ground will liability insurance -- do people have liability insurance for these things? >> yes sir bears insurance available through multi--- multiple insurance companies. >> you talk about the high-definition cameras. are they able to transmit video back onto the ground? is that standard? >> it transmits high death video video. >> does a capture for lack of a better term those little black boxes that record its own?

>> there are myriad of ways to do it. you can record on the ground at the same time you are recording a much higher stream on the camera in the air so for later review if you need to zoom into an image and check a powerline or something like that. >> he said it had a computer on it. does it have the capability of storing that onboard? >> absolutely. most of the cameras that are on board have their own memory card slots. >> i know this is getting way out there but are people able -- you talk about people hacking into able to hack into these. >> it's a good question and i think probably dr. lauber would be better to answer that.

>> it is a concern and needs to be addressed from the outset. >> how many drawn manufacturers are there? >> at least hundreds. >> how many in the usa? >> much less than anywhere else in the world. >> one final question. you say planes fly over with a number on the bottom and you can identify that number on the bottom. r. jones identified? >> they're not today but that's a consideration to have a tail number. >> one more question if i may mr. chairman. google has a car that they can drive and can you program one of these drones to basically never touch at? >> absolutely, yes right from your smartphone if you need to. >> thank you and i yield back. >> thank you mr. weber. the gentleman from florida mr. posey is recognized. >> thank you mr. chairman i would like to thank the witnesses for showing up today and bringing their testimony.

this is one of those days where another committee meeting with votes was required so some of us didn't get to see the demonstration of your vehicle and at the chairman would indulge us i would be interested and i think some of the others would be interested in saying it. >> do we have it? >> we can get it back up on air in about one minute. >> let's have another quick brief demonstration perhaps to use more airspace. [laughter] >> we will do fine haircuts within 2 feet of somebody said so a few can stay above that. he is going to show you leaf blower mode with your papers on your desk.

it will take him about 30 seconds or 45 seconds to connect to the wi-fi network. do you have any quick questions in the meantime? >> the silence is going to this committee too. okay, perfect, sounds good. another fun fact is that he will be piloting this drawn from his iphone as well as seeing it live hd feed right on his phone that is being digitally stabilized for -- so the pretty cool for 500 bucks. >> we will all have one by the next time you come here. >> my kids got them for christmas. that's your worst case scenario. oh my guys, drum crash.

[laughter] as he is flying over you just do this. just in case. and french cases when you are asked to fly a drone for 60 seconds in front of congress. this is the kind of data we need to be collecting in the world world. >> just to take the pressure off maybe we ought to -- okay.

here we go. >> there we go, okay. can you head towards mr. posey? keep it right out of -- there we go. leaf blower mode, here we go. baptiste cannot push it around a little bit to show its stability or do you want to?

>> in a very french and. thank you. [laughter] thanks again for that. mr. posey anything else? >> thank you mr. chairman. mr. hultgren. >> thank you all for being here. this is important and interesting and really do appreciate the work you are doing and we want to be helpful and do this well. development and usage expanding certainly is crucial to understand the researcher government is doing especially the research that will affect the world making process the faa is currently undergoing. from a competitive standpoint it's crucial that we do this right so we are not think urging businesses to move elsewhere or denying access to researchers for the bass most cost-effective tools so that they can do their work. to be frank sometimes i don't find the faa's process to be a little confusing and i agree certainly with the need for public safety. that should always be our top goal for right now my fear is

the safety i'm afraid we are stifling innovation and research opportunities by keeping pretty harmless uas' out of the sky and at the same time on an unrelated topic but one that's important i've been trying to get answers from the faa about the air traffic controller hiring practices which i'd believe can jeopardize the safety of airline passengers across the country and we will try to continue to get answers from the faa. getting two questions mr. williams and early december 2014 the associated a public land-grant universities wrote a letter to the faa stating in that quote there is no timely workable mechanism for both public and private universities to secure faa approval to conduct important research utilizing small unmanned aerial systems or s. uas technology. i wonder has faa considered issuing a rule to make it easier for universities to research uas such as allowing universities to research on their own property below 400 feet?

>> while we believe our small rule will address the needs of universities. we also believe and i've had discussions with several universities about this that they can move forward using our section 333 process to conduct the training research etc. and i have had discussions with several universities about the possibility of doing that. i think they are interesting. >> in the meantime there are opportunities there but you also expect the rule would give them this ability to do research? mr. williams roughly how much interest in there in the faa test sites in terms of calls and how many organizations use the test sites? >> i don't have that data with me but we can certainly get back to you. >> that would be great if you could get back to the committee.

mr. wynne and mr. said great how do you organize the test sites? >> we want to get this word out and it's early days for the test sites so we have got to make the marks of sebile. we have discussed earlier the need for greater transparency keeping the cost down etc.. there's also a need to focus their research on the specific areas that we have all been agree needs to be advanced. so i think those are the primary elements. do you have anything to add? >> i would take these six test sites that exist exist in remote locations and expand this to test sites that test sites that might be on the company's private property that have strict regulations. the drones in the geo-fence will not cross that barrier to have that level of intelligence so

sub 400 feet don't cross the geo-fence and now that test site can be on your own company's property. >> have you heard if they are open to that? >> are you guys open the dot? >> mr. williams? >> i believe we have the experimental process to accommodate cooperation. there's an issue for development research etc. that have been taken advantage of by other companies to do exactly that. that process does remain available to anyone who chooses to use it. >> and i hear that a lot and is at the same certificate that there has been 14 total granted so far in the country of all the people that want to fly drums? >> we have issued quite a few more experimental. >> that is required.

all drone operator to operate? >> the experimental process for environmental use. >> i guess i'm talking about private sector. >> let me ask you this quickly because we are running out of time. how do you see other countries openness versus the united states and your members? have you seen similar openness here is another countries for greater challenge is? >> there's a huge disparity and i think another countries there's a simple proportional risk-based system to say if the drone is lightweight and low altitude line of sight for a heavy drone being flown out of the line of sight in higher altitudes. >> hopefully we can see what other countries have been doing safely and we can do the same thing here. thank you chairman for your indulgence and i yield back. >> thank you mr. holborn and the gentleman from alabama for questions.

>> thank you mr. chairman. i was called away to a meeting so i missed a lot of that. thank you for the demonstration. i'm path -- might ask for one of those for christmas for myself. i don't know this has been announced but has anyone looked at the economic impact in the context to the u.s. economy if we have the design and engineering done in the united states if we do the construction here? i should say the manufacturing? did you say it's as large as a 727? he would be doing design engineering and has anyone looked at the economic impact of that? >> yes sir the numbers in my organization put together in 2013 suggest after we have

access to the system the economic impact amounts to $82 billion and 100,000 plus jobs. those numbers are put together in 2013 and we will update those numbers. >> that is the design engineering construction and that's my question. >> that would be the commercial use? >> that's profitability four other --. >> are right. are we using any technological advantage and approval for testing? in other words if this goes offshore? >> for the design and testing testing yes sir that's an important distinction. the markets that the end-user

communities such as the insurance industry in the agricultural industry they will still want to launch the technology and the question is whether they will be using american-built technology. >> we heard presentations of many in the industry. many of them told us they could not conduct the kind of research and development they may need and they were taking operations offshore. if i may briefly add in november we participated in a meeting sponsored by the national air and space a con -- academy in france and one of the key things that came out of that conference was the fact that the french faa in 2012 issued a risk-based set of regulations covering a small uas i think 2.5 kilos that put

that in place as of the time of the conference which in november there were over 1000 certified operators in more than 1600 vehicles alone and there were multiple manufacturers and others participating in this. it was really quite interesting to see this industry taking off there. >> those numbers for france 90% populace of texas? we could probably get amazing economic benefit for the whole country. >> looking at the size of these things 727 do you perceive company like federal express or one of the big commercial carriers utilizing this for a high-capacity transfer? >> there is interest on the part of federal express and several other cargo operators.

this is going to be a long time in the future. these will first come through in the military and the risk issues will be demonstrated. 50 years from now or 60 years from now -- we can do it technically today. the issue is to work out all the operational details. >> one of those operational details i assume would be the systems cannot be hacked. >> exactly. one of the key research areas are the cybersecurity issues particularly associated with the command uplink. >> my last question has to do with utilizing these for high-altitude subspace and maybe even launch and return capabilities high-altitude space for whether valuations and things like that. is that something that is on the

drawing board? >> one of the biggest potential markets is actually the use of these vehicles for high-altitude relay for basic internet on the surface so you can have long persistence vehicles at high altitudes that can act effectively as satellites and doing broadband. >> i guess my a b part of the last question would be for instance an unmanned flight to the international space station to use foresee having the capability for launch and return for a mission like that. >> we do today. we have unmanned vehicles that are flying cargo missions today. >> thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you mr. palmer and let me thank all of our witnesses today. this has been particularly interesting and informative

panel. we wish mr. williams the faa had told us they might have the rules made that with the possible exception we appreciate all your contributions. this is really been helpful i think the members of the science committee and we look forward to hearing from you all in the future and to waiting and watching to see how the development goes and the integration with the use of drones in the private sector and in the commercial sector is also thank you again for being here.

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error and i think this contributes to this very rollercoaster kind of experience that we watch as parents. president obama announced sunday that he will ask congress to declare part of alaska's arctic national wildlife refuge known as anwr as a wilderness area. this would prevent oil and gas exploration and production on the alaskan coastal plain. the white house released a short video in the decision and we will show that next. after that we will get a reaction from alaska's congressional delegation. ♪ >> alaska's national wildlife refuge is an incredible place, pristine undisturbed and his supports caribou and polar bears countless species of birds and

fish and for centuries it has supported many alaska native communities. but it's very fragile and that's why i'm very proud that my department of interior has put forward a comprehensive plan to make sure that we are protecting the refuge and aware designated new areas including coastal plains for preservation. i'm going to be calling on congress to make sure that they take it one step further designating it as a wilderness so we can make sure that this amazing wonder is preserved for future generations. >> now we will get reaction from alaska's congressional delegation on the white house announcement of the arctic national wildlife refuge. we will hear from senator lisa murkowski who chairs the energy and natural resources committee. this news briefing is 40 minutes.

>> well usually we don't get such a sellout crowd on alaska's specific issue but i think you have learned from the media accounts from sunday and now this morning that this administration has effectively declared war on alaska. that's my view of it. and those are some pretty tough words but what we saw on sunday with the announcement that this administration is going to move towards permanent wilderness status for anwr and what this administration is poised to do the balance of this week based on conversations with the secretary of the interior and her deputy, it is a one two three kick to the gut of

alaska's economy. and we have said as a delegation that we will not stand it and we will not tolerate it and we will do everything we can to push back against an administration that has taken a look at alaska and decided it's a nice little snow globe out there and we are going to keep it that way. that's not what you do to a state, any state. our governor had a conversation with the secretary this weekend and reminded her that in his state state of the budget address this week we are a state that is looking at some pretty serious deficiencies in our budget right now about a $3.5 billion hole and this is how an administration is going to work with us? take all of what is left of anwr

that was an aide formerly non- wilderness status area and put it all off limits now forever period, to then further restrict our opportunities in the offshore by taking areas that have previously been subject to deferral and now withdrawing them completely and then the further kick in the area where they have said all along don't go to anwr. anwr is too special. go over here to the national petroleum reserve so what do we try to do? private operators are saying we are ready to go but they need to have a road an eight-mile road. where does this sound familiar? 10-mile non- gravel

noncommercial road in eisenberry. not going to get one here in npr either because of the mitigation costs. the mitigation costs scheduled risk the uncertainty coming from this administration you have got an operator that is weighing right now whether or not they can move forward in npr a so in one week we are going to go ahead and we are going to lock up and were permanently. we are going to put off areas offshore that would allow alaska to help the love that trans-alaska pipeline and oh by the way we are going to put some money added cost mitigation costs and separation facility that's going to cost 20 million bucks and say well go ahead alaska do whatever except you can't access the resources because we are going to put them off limits to you and if it's not off-limits we will make it so hard and so expensive that no operators going to want to do it. is this how you treat a state?

i made a comment this weekend that got a little attention i will repeat it again. this administration is willing to negotiate with iran but they won't negotiate with alaska. they are just going to take an approach that this is our way. we think you are too special. well we do think we are pretty special. we have got some amazing people out there. the native people who live in this area in the 1002 area. what about respect for them? when are we going to hear that from this administration? so when we say that we feel this is a frontal attack on the state of alaska and their ability to develop resources for the good of alaskans and for the good of the country, this is not just about alaska. our oil comes to you guys down here but if that type is empty

what is that going to do? so we have -- we have got a battle in front of us and my hope is that as a united delegation working with our governor working with our legislature, working with alaskans we will raise the awareness of this issue beyond where it is today which is a very emotional issue when it comes to anwr. but i would suggest to the administration that they know that the fight is on and we are not backing down. with that i'm going to turn to my colleague senator sullivan and then to the congressman for all alaska who is going to wrap it up. >> good afternoon. good afternoon everybody. thank you senator murkowski. i would agree the battle is joined. ironically for me the first time

i heard about this and you talk about consultation with the administration this weekend i was out training marines. i mailed marine corps reserve officer so the idea of the battle being joined, we are ready. still haven't heard from anyone in the administration on the planned and what they intend to do and that's one of the key things here. there's a lot of talk about consultation terry look at the laws. alaskans are familiar with 100 provisions the secretary shall consult with name the group and alaska. it's not happening. we are viewed as just another stakeholder. we are not just another stakeholder. we are the other side and yet the center for biological diversity and other groups i guarantee you have a much more reefing from this administration

than the officials from the state, the governor of the state than the alaska native people and that's got to stop. this is classic president obama tactics. release a plan with no chance of passing the congress. meantime take dubious action through executive orders to do what you know congress won't do. we have seen it before. we have seen it on immigration. we have seen it on npra. they took out the npra and part of alaska that's not a national park, the national petroleum reserve of alaska set aside by congress for oil and gas, half of that is off the table and now the anwr coastal plain. no dispute whatsoever. has to have congressional operations to designated a wilderness. it's not going to to happen is congress so they are going to move forward with an executive order to do it anyways. let me say one thing about the timing of this.

who knows why they did it when they did but there's something that i think in terms of the press you might want to pay a little more attention to. there was a legal case. the state of alaska sued the obama administration. the oral arguments in federal court in alaska last week on what we put forward a comprehensive management plan to explore anwr. where did this come from? the need administration was putting forward their ccp we went to them and said hey we have ideas. we want to work with you. here are some ideas on what you need to do in the 1002 area. ignored us ignored us, ignored us. we show them his plan. under anoka we think the secretary of interior has to approve his plan. she said no, this plan would allow for responsible exploration in the closed area. the oral arguments last week we think we have a strong case as a state and we win this case that's going to really change the debate because it's going to

show for the first time that they do have the ability with responsible exploration select make conclude by saying one at that thing on expiration issue. .. they want to keep their head in the tundra and not no anything. anything. we want to understand what

is there and move forward. this is critical to the national security of our country. the president gave his state of the union the other day painted a picture of the world that most people thought was rather inaccurate, rather delusional in terms of the national security challenges that we have facing the united states. whether it's iran, isis. we will have hearings and figure out what the american people are focused on in terms of a broad-based strategy to keep our citizens safe. whatever that strategy looks like it has to have the element of the united states as a superpower once again. get this decision by the administration, these actions clearly undermine that ability in terms of broader national security. so very disappointed.

we're going to fight this. thank you. >> thank you, senators. i have been here a long time and watch this battle over the years. pass the senate one time. president clinton vetoed it. this should be developed. king george obama believes he does not have to acknowledge laws passed by congress. he has done this on numerous occasions. he ignores us and lectures a legislative body. this casting disgusting for the nation and the people. this man has gone completely wacko. this is an attack upon the state, an attack upon previous laws upon the nation. he has never been there.

last there. last summer i heard $500 million every time he gets on that airplane. all these unique things. he's never been there. we we have more animals now than we have before. the idea the idea of man and wildlife not be compatible is stupid. just i'm counting on my senators is i don't have that much authority in the house. i want them to have there own money for the interior department's against the nation to my against the state of alaska. and i might go a little further.

i'll i suggest she doesn't no what she's talking about. what about. what has occurred here is wrong for everyone. 96,000 in the middle guaranteed for the socioeconomic well-being. taking that away. this person for the nation and for the state of alaska. we will fight this battle. god help us we we will elect another progressive president and undo this because it's the right thing to do. the congressional laws. not to accept that i am king george obama. thank you. questions?

>> your reaction when the secretary called and spoke to you and told you about the mr decision and characterize your relationship right now? >> i wish that i could tell you that she contacted me. she did not. i had to call her. in fairness she left a voicemail and said, i have asked my chief of staff to come visit with you this afternoon because we we will be announcing 30 last a related initiatives next week and wanted to give you a heads up. tommy boudreau came to my office late friday afternoon and walked me through. i have to tell you, my

reaction was pretty visceral and understandably so. it was not just and more come as i made mention, but also that the administration intends to layout the five-year lease sale that we will take additional offshore areas and put them into withdrawal status and then again the trip we will get punch the discussion about what we call the development area the national petroleum reserve. they outline the requirements' to advance the mitigation cost and really the stunning arrogance. what is 40 million in mitigation costs? at some.in time you have producers the say we are not

developing this because it is no longer economic. when you have stipulations and conditions placed on you that are no longer economic, they are weighing all of this. but those were three pretty consequential and substantial issues impacting alaska to be announced over the next week. this is not not over the next two years of the cement assertion. it was just kind of art, you know, we we will kick you while your down and kick you again and then do it one more time for good measure. my response my response was, i don't know whether you just don't give a rip or whether you just talk think about us at all. so i called the secretary. she was in new mexico talking about some renewable project that apparently was a big deal in new mexico.

she apparently was not planning on telling me. i let it be known that i am not too happy's. >> senator that shareholder of the national resources. talk about how you my approach might approach legislating on this issue going forward, particularly been a hard thing to legislate on. >> well, what i have made clear to the secretary and anybody else that is going to listen we will utilize every tool that we have read the good news is we got a few more tools now. in terms of what they may be i think you'll see them play out. again this is not something whereas a delegation, as a state we are going to just accept what the administration is proposing your.

we are going to fight back, and it we will be a coordinated fight. i think what you're seeing here today the mother is no daylight among the delegation on this. there is no daylight with our new governor and his a ministration over the legislature. talk about what they're going to do. there are tools. the good news is, their are more tools now than their were in previous congress, and i intend to exercise them. >> yes. you mentioned that some areas will be taken. what areas of those? >> at this.in time we have not seen the actual map from interior. all i can do is tell you where i was told areas that have been deferred in prior lease sales will now be placed in

wilderness -- excuse me, placed in a withdrawal status as well as additional areas that have not previously been deferred would be included. we will see if the administration is going to unroll their five-year lease sale on tuesday as was indicated to me. maybe they have changed their minds. we will see. >> the problem is the people that have their leases already. unwise for them not to be able to expand. what they we will do they will actually circled the existing lease and make that a withdrawal area, otherwise -- i will be surprised. it is stupid as far as i'm concerned. >> collaborate briefly on the tools. you don't seem to want to go into detail. are they budgetary tools? >> budget legislative and mitigation. >> i mentioned before i had

this job i was the attorney general the state of alaska. the state has been coordinating with sen. murkowski, congressman young young for a long time. we have a lot of tools. as i mentioned, there is a case right now. we put forward a plan and said work with us. one of the things that is such a frustration, all of these consultation requirements,, they just don't do them. they don't pay attention to the other sovereign in the room. that required us to sue them there were oral arguments on this case last week. the key to the case is essentially a very simple case. we believe that it requires the secretary of the interior to approve that exploration plan. the federal judge says that they agree with the state of alaska it's going to be a

big deal because then we can start looking at moving forward. as the federal government should be doing as opposed to just ignoring it. that is one tool that the state is already using. >> sen., where do you think this move says about the administration's broader policy toward oil and gas? do you no what else the offshore leasing will include? perhaps opening up parts of the east coast of the atlantic and then related, what kind of impact do you think low oil prices could have on companies being economically driven? >> this administration has said that it endorses and all of the above policy. i would suggest to you that after this announcement that

is in all of the above policy for everywhere except alaska. the secretary will tell you no i support moving forward. don't get me wrong. well, demonstrated. work to make sure that there is a plan that can go forward instead of piling on cost after cost of the cost and saying saying well you are an oil company, you can afford it. these are private companies that are not going to do anything if it is not economic. so i think the simple message to alaska is we just do not believe that you should be developing your resources. and we're talking oil and gas. congressman young has been around for a long time.

i was born and raised in the national forest. not forest. not harvesting anything right now and it's not because of lack of resources policies that said we are cutting you off shutting it down. mining is one area where historically we have been able is a state to access our resources and enjoy some of the benefits. one of one of the legal proceedings we have going on right now is whether an amazing mentor or mineral resource should be allowed to even submit a plan. the epa has come in and said they're going to cut it off before you even make application. when we talk about a frontal attack on the state is not just because the administration made the statement about and wire.

this is this is no surprise. the president never endorsed opening up. what is what is happening is the double, triple, quadruple whammy. forget it. we are we're too special. we are special command of people are special but our people, like every american american wants to be able to enjoy the land that we are in well at the same time educating our kids, having a decent job and being able to afford energy costs we want to be they good stewards of the land and will demonstrate time and time again that we are more than capable of doing that. the highest environmental sealing way comes to our oil industry. come up there and take a look.

>> oil prices the larger oil companies will drill and drill because it's a long-term investment. regardless of what they say we we will consume fossil fuels now until most of you are dead in this room. i don't like was done to the state of, something we have to expect. they will drill offshore joann and more. the industry itself. that's for most of this is come from. i'm not terribly pessimistic but what happens when you increase the prices, the bottom line. go to nigeria. as the larger oil companies.

how big anyone in this room doesn't want the economy to come back. $2 a gallon. keep that the price low our economy will go in the tank again. we will be able to achieve the goals. you know this is a big project. as far as this whole thing the conduct of this person in the white house. deeply concerned. this is not america. to have a person ignore the constitution ignore the legislative body ignore the people of america. we want to be concerned about that. you want a society that has

no feeling controlled by the progressive government? the austerity program. this is not just about oil. ignoring the people, ignoring the we will of the people. >> can i say one more thing? people are paying attention to what is going on. they like the fact that they're paying they are paying less at the pump. it is more money in their pocket which is a good thing keep in mind how we got to this place for the place is better. it is not because of venezuela or saudi arabia. it is because we have been producing more. so it goes to the fact that supply matters.

when you have more supply it increases prices. americans, if you like the fact that maybe in your neighborhood you are seeing prices below $2 a gallon and like that then you should want to encourage those things that will bring about more domestic production things like resource from the national petroleum reserves from offshore alaska the potential is extraordinary as a nation. and within the onshore, within anwar an opportunity to fill up the alaska pipeline that is sitting at less than helpful. if you like the low prices then you should be thinking how can oil prices continue?

more domestic production coming from alaska. >> i will say that in addition to the price one of our biggest concerns, every opportunity every project they talk about what conoco is doing, but their have been a number of projects roads being built, everything that this federal government has delayed, delayed, and we actually think it's willful. the weapon of choice of this administration. it's a big problem. >> consultation have you had or assurances been given that new tracking and drilling technology. >> it's already been proven. it's about that big. wildlife is not harmed.

i know a little bit about that. they will be domesticated now. that's not the problem. i've been fighting this battle for 44 years. you guys believed it. the. that is the nonsense. poor little animals. it's all a myth easily sold to the less knowledgeable people. and that affects us. that's the.on the debate. we have ways in which only in the winter where we do these things, shoot 3 d

seismic that literally has zero impact on the tundra. we need to make sure that element of the debate, people are more aware of the a significant development that could have no impact. we want this administration to work with us and help prove that. >> just one follow-on. this is significant. a. a very keen selectivity to ensure that development of our resources in the north slope area does not impact. it defines them. there is no grocery store). they need to be able to hunt so the steps they conoco has

gone through in order to get to explore offshore. you may wonder why it's such a short season. it's not necessarily due to the ice. shell has agreed in concert that their are specific times of the year that they are not only not allowed to explore they are not allowed to have their vessels out there with engines running. unheard of. do you think in north dakota or louisiana when they geezer coming down with the deer are moving through that there is an agreement that you we will shut everything down? no. in alaska the conditions and requirements most people

that same incredible. you can't believe that you can operate that way. i just came from a meeting with the woman who was born and raised in barrow his family subsists off the wheel. when they say they have sex the drilling, the the potential for drilling offshore it's only with those requirements knowing. caring for the well is the migrating through whether it is ensuring that during the season their are limitations are limitations on any exploration whatsoever do you think that

alaska's will just run and wreck shot? no. have we been working to try to ensure that every aspect of development that we do is done with the highest environmental standards possible in conjunction with respect for the people who live out there? this will be an interesting time. educating the rest of the country. what happens up in alaska, how we develop our resources we are doing so with care for the land and the critters that are on it. at the same time allowing the human beings to access resource and have a quality of life that you always picture. we are all hunkering down for the big snowstorm people

back home with that. it's hard. highest energy costs cost of anybody in the country, the highest transportation cost, the highest cost of living. this is their land, where they they live where they have been for thousands of years. they want the same thing that i want. they want to have good education, be able to send them off to college, they want to no that their not going to freeze in the dark. i think we're done. >> agents for epa want to explain what that's about. >> sure.

the epa initially stood up they were armed. pushed by a number of members of congress. made that decision. we were assured that he we will be limited and we have seen particularly in alaska abuse. summer of 2013 rifle, shotguns, body armor, helicopters for a potential water act violation. and from our perspective one of the things that i got elected on was looking at the responsibilities of the federal government and starting to limit those responsibilities. the epa will still be able to do his job still be able

to work our criminal warrants. they just get together with local law enforcement local sheriffs, troopers, federal marshals. we think it's an area that from a strategic perspective starting to limit the federal government in terms of its power and authority but also in terms of oversight. you have to get together with the local troopers to your executor warrant, you might think twice. it's twice. it's something that we are looking for bipartisan support for. there are a lot of people are concerned about certain agencies having grown and responsibility armed, the department of education as a s.w.a.t. team. do we really need that? are hoping to move forward on that amendment and get it passed. >> thanks. [inaudible conversations]

>> next a conversation on media coverage of race in america. then freshman republican senators talk about their party's agenda for 2015. later remarks from the head of the national congress of american indians. >> discusses his bill to change the process of investigating any death of a citizen by the police.

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>> good evening and welcome to the national press club for a timely discussion on coverage of race in america. how are we doing, how can we do better. this program has been planned jointly by the national press club and the capital press club. tonight is historic because of how we came together here this evening as partners to discuss the very issue that once divided our two organizations race. on the 107th president of the national press club. i also i also want to acknowledge the presence tonight of john hughes the 108 president 8th president of the national press club who took office last week. thank you for being here this evening. one of the highlights of my year as president was to be

invited to speak in this very room at the 70th anniversary celebratory awards reception of the press club which was formed in 1944 by african-american journalists at a time they were denied in the national press club. african-american journalists and communicators have been active members of the national press club since 1955, and we are proud that many have been in positions over the years. i i am also proud very proud that one of our newest members is the president of the capital press club. [applause] thank you for choosing to have the national press club as the venue for the capital press club 70th anniversary celebration. thank you for inviting me to speak that evening. thank you for joining the national press club and above all thank you for

working hard to ensure the success of this evening's program. as we announced at the 70th anniversary celebration, we were standing right over there. we felt it was appropriate and timely to have what we described as a cutting-edge form to discuss media coverage of race in america in light of recent events from ferguson to staten island. we both want this to be a best practices look at the journalism that came out of the events in those cities and to identify what was well done and what could be done better and any other topic that our panelists want to raise. everything we say tonight we will be set with the hope that journalism can always

be improved. to the extent the panel's comments and your questions can aim toward that goal we are very grateful. i will now ask my friend to give her welcome remarks and to introduce a very distinguished panel and let me thank all of you for being here despite the whether and the fear of the weather. we are so grateful to you all. >> thank you. now pres. emeritus of the national press club. club. let's give him a hand. and it was an honor for me to join the national press club and then to join the national press club in this very important for in this evening. web to boys wrote bois is wrote that the problem of the century of the 20th century at that time was the color line 112 years later

in the 21st century, here we are once again continually discussing the color line with the backdrop of the police killing of michael brown and ferguson missouri the backdrop of the police killing of eric garner in staten island, new york. here we are as journalists speaking from the standpoint of the higher ground our high standards of journalism that we love to talk about and that we really aspire to have. and and yet when it comes to afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted the question tonight is how we measuring up? the question is tonight

when it comes to issues of race in america and race coverage in america how are we doing and what can we do better? and we have an outstanding panel here tonight to discuss those issues. i will introduce each one of them and then one at a time in their own way it we will speak for five minutes on that question how are we doing what we can do better. and then myron and i will ask questions of them and handed over to you for our town all the. there their are two microphones on either side of the room. when the time comes you we will lineup and prepared a fire away your questions. first we have web editor of

the st. louis american and the art editor and reporter for the st. louis american newspaper. she was the the st. louis americas most active reporter and ferguson during the crisis following the police killing of michael brown junior. her coverage of the protests that followed has been republished nationwide by ebony magazine and black newspapers around the country. and then we have media coverage reporter for the "washington post". his articles cover issues from everything from free speech to abusive and racist comments and hate speech. it also expands into media conflicts of interest,

political oversight of journalists and even the hiring practices of media agencies. let's give paula hand. next we have april ryan, white house correspondent for the american urban radio network. 475 affiliated radio stations covered and conducted exclusive interviews with three presidents pres. president barack obama george w. bush and bill clinton. april will sign her new book, the presidency in black and white. my up close up close view of three presidents and race in america. let's let's welcome her. give her hand. we hope that he is on his way.

trying to catch a a flight. so if he is not able to five he is on his way. thank you. so we we will go. athena jones a general assignment reporter who works out of cnn washington bureau pro packages, produce story story segments and reported on air for msnbc and nbc news. cover cover the presidential campaigns of then senators hillary clinton and barack obama during the 2,008 election cycle. let's give her hand.

last month it was announced that gilbert would be receiving the prestigious national press foundation's benjamin c bradley award as editor of the year. [applause] for guiding his news organizations through the police shooting of michael brown and ferguson and that tumultuous aftermath. he will receive that award february 18 right here in the -- right here in dc. and next to gilbert is mr. roland martin an author, columnist and host of tv one's news one now. a nationally fiery syndicated columnists a former cnn contributor and author of speak brother a

black man's view of america and his newest book the 1st pres. barack obama's road road to the white house has originally reported. let's give him a hand. let's give this entire panel hand. we anticipate the powerful conversation this evening. >> i will go ahead and get started with the reason why are probably here. i remember august 9 like it was ten seconds ago. i was doing my teeth are going about my everyday business of social media watching, just watching just looking on sites. i saw a man hold the sign that said the ferguson police department just murdered my unarmed son. i was like, ferguson ferguson, down the street ferguson.

had to cover a bill cosby concert. i couldn't remember i can't remember one joke that he told. nothing negative but it was like going on in my head like what is going on down their. and i got home and remember thinking, zero my gosh. i felt something different. ultimately ferguson it became my be. we talked about it. i mean the protests the people came from the lowest common

denominator, or people assume is the lowest common denominator of the ferguson community to rise up to raise their voices and to all of these different issues. what happened is in the wake of the killing of michael brown and the protests there were these thrilling sidebar conversations about disparities, racial disparities racial profiling, inequities in the community as it relates to african-americans, and it was so wonderful to see the post-racial post- racial society that we all assume that we lived in most the general population that it did not exist. so with michael brown, eric garner there are new conversations, uncomfortable, tension, but out of that i'm hoping the eternal optimist and defiant idealist that i am hoping that healing comes out of the strategies.

>> first of all, thank you for inviting me here. i. i'm interested in hearing what everyone on the panel has to say. first off i i was not in ferguson. i did not cover it directly. i experienced it through the media. i saw three things about that episode two of which were small and one of which is large. ..

i'm sure the geography was obvious to your readers but it was not obvious to people like me watching on television. i could not tell whether the entire northern part of st. louis was on fire or it was a couple of blogs on west florissant avenue and i think there was a basic failure what was going on in terms of the coverage. the next step also got me which was why was ferguson different than the protests that involved in new york and oakland and los angeles and chicago? ferguson did turn violent. there was no analysis of the

media as to why ferguson ended up the way it did and the other cities where there was an equal amount of grievance although not necessarily a triggering event like the death of michael brown why there wasn't the same kind of reaction. new york was very peaceful. los angeles was peaceful. chicago etc.. i wish that the media could have analyzed that aspect of it. was that the police response or the police nonresponse that did it? was a something that the political structure of those communities did? was at the media perhaps that portrayed these protests and a more responsible way? i would like to see some follow-up on that. the other part of this is something that came home to me when i saw the movie soma just a few days ago and that was something that martin luther king certainly the person portraying martin luther king

said but i think it's historically accurate. which was about the optics of violent protests. in martin luther king's case of course it was not -- he was not advocating violent protests. he advocated nonviolent protest but he understood that to get the media involved, to galvanize the media attention there had to be action. there had to be drama and that was why soma itself was selected because martin luther king and his advisers knew the sheraton soma was going to overreact and was going to be those protesters and it was going to shock the nation. and the reason that shocked the nation is because the media came running and the media portrayed it to people who were sympathetic to those protesters who were protesting nonviolently and they saw that it was not fair.

so in that sense we know one thing about ferguson that violence did get the media's attention and we will remember ferguson for that more so then we will remember any of the other protests. >> it's an honor to be here this evening amongst this wonderful crowd particularly in the midst of a storm. but it lets you know how much a race is an issue in this country that you came out to hear about it. i have covered the white house for the past 18 years and i have found at the white house the white house every things the white house everything is come up with the white house the white house from war to peace and everything in between and between war and peace there are matters of race as well. and since i began covering the white house in researching for the book that i have the presidency in black presidency

in black and white, it's interesting how people think that race is not always on the forefront of the white house. and that's just not true. but it doesn't make it to the front page of "the new york times." it doesn't make it to the front page of the "washington post." it may go below the b section and it may go to the c session but it does matter to to does play a part. it's interesting one of the first writings from someone at the white house a black person at the white house was by paul jennings. he wrote a slave in the white house. he was a slave for president madison and dolley madison. you don't hear about that, do you? you know race played a part way back. it was before kennedy, lbj frederick douglass met with presidents. he met with abraham lincoln. we didn't really care about that kind of thing and the sad part about it is i am an african-american woman who focuses on minority and urban

issues in the white house. i'm the only reported in the white house that focuses on that daily. to my colleagues credit in the white house -- white house when something comes to a crescendo moment they talk about it. in my book president bill clinton talks about it that race does matter. these presidents factored in all the time but where do we hear about a? it has to be that crescendo moment. has to be a ferguson. has to be osama. it has to be a bloody sunday for us to hear about it but we have people in st. louis. we have a role in the's. we cover these things daily and it's sad when the disparate for african-american so much so it's probably almost in every sector from education to housing to catching a cab in new york. it's prevalent in crime. it's prevalent in drugs drug

sentencing. it's prevalent everywhere and you hear about it when there is that crescendo moment in the sad part is that this is on the precedence table. we have someone here tonight and melanie campbell from the black woman's roundtable. she meets with the president quite a bit talking about issues of race and many times we don't hear about it. melanie plant -- stand up please. i'm sorry to shout you out. [applause] in now we have people come to the white house on a continual basis and you don't hear about that. it's very interesting that race does matter and i think it's not just a black issue and it's not just a hispanic issue, it's not just a nation issue, that everybody issue. it's an everybody issue. >> so glad to be here. thanks for having me program cited to hear about what the rest of panels have to say have to say about telepathy when i didn't have to say about this issue and i think it's really good we are not just talking about how are we doing but also what we can do about it. one of the most exciting things

i have heard already so far as what can you imagine which is the thrilling sidebar conversations that came about when we started covering ferguson and the garner case. i was not in ferguson but i did cover the street protests here after the decision not to indict the police officer in the eric garner case. so i want to speak generally and more specifically and i asked a couple of friends how they thought we were doing in terms of covering race and that kind of laughed and said well you are covering it at least. that's a start but i think it goes beyond that. i think in these cases we really did get beyond the headlines and even on television where can be harder to delve deeply into some of these issues and to have real conversations raid on television a lot of stations managed to do that. certainly i believe my network did a pretty good job in many cases of trying to look at the issues behind the headlines

behind the marches and the protests and the violence. of course there are many ways we can do better but i think what all of us here would agree with is that as journalists our mission has to be more than providing a megaphone to the people on either side of these issues. we have to also hopefully bring some light so it's not just heat and i think that we have a ways to go on that but i saw some of that in the coverage like these thrilling sidebar conversations that kenya minchin. i think it depends on the media. i think people in print and radio have different challenges than people in television but certainly in print you saw a lot of the great coverage and the issues behind the problems in ferguson like the municipal fines and the traffic tickets in the way towns like ferguson were interacting with the poor

residents of the black communities. that's something we can do more easily and at that television is being about pictures compelling pictures so there's a focus on the big crowds. there is a focus on the loudest voices often and there can be a focus of course on violence. this is why it matters to paul's point. so i think we have had a good start trying to add that constantly have to continue to do so. and to do so with a wide range of voices. i think that specifically the reason this is so important is because as someone else mentioned on the panel there so many people who don't really think about race on a daily basis because they don't have to. they don't think they don't get the struggles that people who are minorities are dealing with and that became clear to me many times but certainly during the coverage of the garner protest. the reaction that i got was

quite remarkable on twitter for instance. a lot of people who are not minorities just didn't get it. i will give you a couple examples. one was one night i took a picture of a young black male 12 13, 14 who was walking with his family a couple of younger siblings and his mother and he was holding a sign saying i could be next. i have talked about that on television. take took a picture of it and i tweeted it out and a bunch of people thought it was compelling. they thought it was moving and they repeated that and thought it really hit home for them. a lot of other people on twitter for existence -- instant said look as long as he behaves himself he will be fine. i mean to me that shows they don't get the issue at hand so that's why it's important for us as journalists to add that context. so that's the main example i wanted to give. but it's very important for us to be there to cover.

media and television may be criticized a lot for focusing on the pictures and focusing on the most dramatic of pictures but it's a role to tell that story. we just have to make sure we back that up with public context and discussions and panel conversations far away from action. to some extent we must do that. >> thank you athena. we are going to go ahead and bring up our seventh analyst. mr. jeff johnson. please welcome him. [applause] jeff is an award-winning journalist communications specialist. he's a motivational speaker. only a few weeks ago he conducted an exclusive interview with president barack obama on the recent police shootings of unarmed black man and other race issues in america. in the early days jeff also served as national director for the youth and college division

of the naacp. let's move onto gilbert and we will come back to rowland. >> i have some prepared remarks and i would like to go through these quickly. the best thing to do is to have a conversation because what we are talking about happening in our hometown and is a little bit different when you consider it's in your backyard and i know a few people here from st. louis in st. louis. it's very different from perhaps what you have seen and how you feel it and how it's continuing today to protest today at the county courthouse. the idea that ferguson came and went it's still happening in st. louis. the ferguson related issues within the criminal justice system have defined race relations over the last five months. please involve brutalities have laid their long-standing problems of police relations, criminal justice system issues racial profiling concentrated poverty political enfranchisement educational inequities and mistrust of government pl of those factors arose with ferguson.

ferguson and older suburbs became majority african-american over last three decades is not exceptional in the issues it raised to the country. in fact many people in the st. louis metro region probably thought such an event would happen elsewhere but crime and poverty is worse but not in ferguson. ferguson has powerfully demonstrate how people of different races and backgrounds can live in close proximity yet live very far apart. these are complex issues this panel will explore weird i want two things to talk about when we talk about race and coverage in america and that's the tone of public discourse in the issue of demographics. with the discourse of political polarization and social media given voice to harsh and mean spirited opinions that often created a course and divisive debate a constructive fact-based conversations are harder to conduct across class nationality race and geography which makes well-meaning news coverage subject to intense criticism

across the entire spectrum. this is andrew ferguson coverage and its many issues. to many the public take an us versus them position which opinions and sides are predetermined despite the fact today's reporting investigative work. from various corridors by us are assigned to the news media. is contrary to one's closely held perspectives is viewed as biased for censorship. people of different backgrounds are talking past each other and distinct bubbles which blame is assessed to others. that individual is never part of the problem. it's those people creating the problems and they must change. solutions are to the facile and simplistic. furthermore political extremism have made popular vilifying and major conversations that undermine solid news reporting and distract from seeking solutions. some politics and public discourse to bye-bye fear and threats associated with the changing complexion of america. social media's embedded in our culture but it also has become a

vehicle for hate intolerance and deliberate spread of hoaxes and misinformation. we saw this in ferguson. social media web sites that espouse a specific gender part of the american fabric social media are ubiquitous and here to to stay yet their presence to assert a specific agenda complicates the world for news organizations such as the st. louis dispatch and those representing your journalist as we sped by your journals are squeezed by pious confirmation with some people claim to preconceived notions acquired by considering selective facts or outright misinformation. these factors are further impairing understanding construction of conversations about race. if ex-seleka varese. let me speak to demographics quickly. democrats -- demographics are ongoing. these changes create here to see a threat to their january life. but the ongoing debate is given birth to phrases like the portables illegals radical muslims and homegrown terrorists.

the change of demographics is eventual and so is a backlash among those who feel threatened. the hispanic population is 54 million right now the largest minority group in the country. 17% of our country. it will double by 2050. the largest number up to 12 and undocumented immigrants are hispanic at the future growth of hispanics will stem from bersin united states instead of immigration but that's not what we hear in our headlines. some americans fear people who embrace other cultures and language that they feel under siege unable to understand immigrants or other minorities in later generations to retain their ancestral language and customs are yet they embrace american culture. it doesn't click with their reality. to some culture is a zero-sum game so the nuances of news coverage index reporting includes many elected officials. it may be present but it may not be recognized. nativism is part of american history. in earlier times irish germans

jewish holes chinese and many others have been targeted and now it's people from latin america. social media cable news and politically aligned web sites can service platforms for harsh rhetoric which incites ignorance and negative stereotypes meanwhile spanish language media are thriving as u.s. population grows and its influence internationally but for some american spanish language or bilingual news coverage occurs in a vacuum apart from them they are not hearing it. by the do underestimate the rule of ethnic media in this country that is tremendously important to challenge for us in the mainstream media which i had working is to better incorporate serious perspectives intercoverage. what we need are more voices and more viewpoints across the spectrum and that's the role the mainstream media must play. thank you. >> certainly glad to be here with all of you as well as the panelists. let me be clear and concise as i

can be and that is media's coverage of race in america is shameful deplorable and hypocritical. media cannot cover raise what when it's unwilling to look at its own shops. how can media do stories on the lack of diversity in the academy when it comes to whether or not selma should've been nominated for best director best actor who went it's unwilling to find out what executive goes on the newscast. how can media lead panels talking about how the republican party needs to broaden its tenth and reach out to minorities when these same media outlets have virtually no minorities in executive positions? how can media talk about income inequality in this country and

talk about job disparity when you look at the folks in newsrooms the question is who are those making six and seven salaries and who are those making five figure salaries? so it's a little hard for me and look i dealt with this is for six years on "cnn" and the four were star-telegram and from the moment i came out of college i challenged my boss is to say how can we sit her and talk about race in america when we are unwilling to look at the racial disparities facing our newsrooms right now? when you walk into most newsrooms you have virtually all white men deciding what's going to be the story of the day. you can't talk about race in america when a black woman comes up missing and no one in america knows but if a white blonde hair blue eyed woman becomes missing its wall-to-wall coverage. i get to see an executive admin on to see in executive give me an honest answer is whether the case that is because when a white woman comes up missing in america they see their mother their daughter there needs that

when a black woman comes up missing that's not what they see. if a woman comes up missing and you cover one you have to explain to me how do you not cover the other? there has to be an explanation. and it shouldn't have to be community protest for networks and newspapers to cover those stories because anybody knows when you come up missing the first 72 hours are the most critical of six weeks later after we have begun to to protest folk say let's get back to doing the story. that is the fundamental flaw we have because the one problem we have is nobody reports on us. media relies on media blogs and media blogs were media web sites but the question is who challenges as? who calls us into question? so when we are talking about who needs that conversation it really has to be a question of who has decided what goes on in

the newscast and what's going to be the lead story and on that particular front page and whose informing those decision in that particular background? eyes to sit there and listen to some of these conversations and literally just look at folks and go are you serious? you actually asked that question? that's the particular angle that you decide to take? give you an example to understand how you have to broaden and link things and if you are not a person of color you actually have lived it and you understand it. when all the stories are being reported about the sony e-mails being at -- packed and sony wanted to be paid more mice use a social media counts the position is to understand how folks get it. folks say he's getting $3 million. that's more than enough but the reality is kevin hart gave

$50,000. when he's able to make six million dollars he is the capacity to give more support rapidly suppresses income he limited his ability to give. to limit his ability to create well to pass it down to the next generation so in his kids when they turn a page they are able to walk into a situation where they might have five, 10, 15, $20 million because he's able to make that over the course of his career. you are living in the capacity for these children and his children's children to be able to have wealth and do with wealth what whites have done for years. but if you don't have that context all you simply see is he wants more money for social media. that's one of the fundamental flaws we have is that you do not have diverse executive leadership and if we want to cut

right to the chase to be honest i remember being on "cnn" talking about rap music and they kept showing germane dupree and i said stop. i'm tired of this. show me the ceo of the record labels. i said show me the executive of the record labels. i guarantee you they don't look like the rappers because the executives are the ones who can say no we are we are not going to release that song no we are not going to release the song when women are being abused and we are not going to release that particular song but we chose to show the faces of the rappers but not those in charge. that's a flawed media because we are unwilling to look at ourselves in the mayor and when we want to question the rest of america. [applause] >> jeff johnson.

>> i want to attempt to be as passionate as roland. i don't know if it's possible. i'm appreciative of imitation and appreciative to be here and i apologize to being late. driving from baltimore was more than a notion. to be brief and not redundant what i have thought about more than anything else is really what is the responsibility of those of us that want to consume content and as i have looked at media and as i have played varying roles in different outlets i have realized that most folks that i see these days don't really want to do news anyway. they want to do entertainment that is dressed as news and there are a lot of people that are looking to those folks that are dressed as news to provide

news when executives have no interest in providing news. they want to provide entertainment. they are less interested in providing any kind of critical analysis as much as they are who are people that can shout at each other proclaiming to be representatives of one side or another so that we will tweet about one of those two sides reverberate the conversation that in many cases is incredibly unsophisticated and drive sales for the advertisers that are ensuring that those networks in many cases continue to put content on air. but at some point when are we responsible for helping to promote the kind of content that we often claim isn't there? when i think about african-americans, people of color those that are concerned about race being discussed there are two things i'm concerned with. one is that we don't often support the outlets that traditionally ensure that race

coverage has a level of integrity so whether that's the black press, whether those are black web sites, whether those are black news agencies and i'm not saying any black news agency. i'm saying there those that have a level of integrity to ensuring the continent race conversations take place without it being race baiting in the second thing not to belabor the point is that i am frustrated with their inability to create infrastructure that provides voices to news outlets as opposed to being comfortable with the same old voices saying the same old stuff. every time there is some black stuffed the same by people are the gods and goddesses of black stuff and i don't see new voices come i don't see younger voices, i don't see fringe voices, don't see voices that aren't a part of old-school institutional infrastructure and oftentimes those voices use relationships

that they have within these outlets to brock -- block french voices from the african-american committee so you have and until people really started raising helen ferguson you didn't hear a real voices from ferguson. it wasn't until the protests popped off and as a result of talking to you people on the street you begin to be like wait a minute this isn't some leaderless rudderless movement. there are legitimate young people on the street. they may not be part of the naacp and they may not be a part of some church that they are legitimately leading young people on the ground. until we as committee began to challenge this notion that everybody that has been a leader is not the leader and everybody has been the voice is not among all the voices and we do two things. i would love to see the organizations that are providing and looking for talent looking

up folks at universities around the country looking at local leadership that have databases of voices that can be on air and that moment, because if we are going to be honest it's not just black folks. you have a white dude that is the dude that talks every time there's something around black people because -- works for russell simmons. they call michael because michael works for russell simmons and because he works for russell simmons he's got to know about black people. hello? and i have nothing against mike. i like mike would have some point we got to get out of this tokenism on both sides when it comes to conversations about race. he is a push to see their more legitimate sophisticated conversations that aren't the same old back up or talking points. need to challenge the traditional cetaceans that actually position themselves as the authorities on black thought that in many cases the diversity

of black thought were latino father asian thought or people of color to his more sophisticated than we give credit for and last but not least support whether their blogs or papers or whether their networks are individuals that are pushing to have these conversations supporting them so we can begin to see the conversations i don't think we often have at some of the major outlets. >> interesting that jeff brought up that point that i remember when i was filling in for campbell brown at "cnn" in the supreme court made a decision and a louisville kentucky desegregation busing desegregation case. they automatically said hey we booked a conservative who likes the decision and i went to another could be liberals who like you too? than i said what we call jonathan coso because they said

to his dad and i said trust me call him. it was a shaking decision that they said we don't want to book him because we found somebody black. i know it's a blessing decision but he's a perfect voice because he hates the decision. they i said that you also look at who follow the law shoot? that was a black parent who is part of the lawsuit because she did didn't want her kids going all the way across town. the boxes that we chose find a black person who hates the supreme court decision find a white male conservative who likes the supreme court decision in the making of a conversation as opposed to saying why don't i find to the most passionate voices to disagree on this forget the labels forget the ideology and say this is where they stand. we really fall into those boxes and that's what drives a race conversati