we have needed to be vigilant to ensure that under age people, and quite a few girls do not get drawn away from our democratic society. so it made us a little bit

laboratory and as we've seen it and as we heard the stories of the mothers, of the sisters of the brothers and the girlfriends of those who were left behind we see that radicalization process is a process of indoctrination together with a process of isolation. the first indoctrination as i told you they will be consistently bombarded with a particular radical message so he or she has the idea forced upon him that he has a special part to play in history, that he is a special part to play in bringing about the caliphate. and he must become a real hero in the history of creation of the islamist state. that's the message they always constantly are receiving.

and the second number of the radicalization process is isolation. isolation usually starts with converging to islam because most of young people have left the country had a problematic history with their families with the mosque. it was a constant arguing between fathers and sons what it was to be a muslim in europe come in my country. they didn't frequently visit a mosque. and so it started most of the isolation process with instruction to convert to islam. but soon the demand falls that all ties be broken with christians, with a moderate muslims, with friends, with family. and so they're trying to get them to the point where people feel that they have been chosen to take part in the fight in syria and iraq. so both processes

indoctrination and isolation are taking place in the context amid the conflict in syria and iraq that has gone on for years has covered permit by the mass media. so also there is a kind of factor because they are feeling a little bit or the art believe the international community as a coward a coward community, not reacting firmly enough against the brutality of the war over there. so this process of indoctrination and isolation is much more successful among people with a weak position in society or who are struggling with their identity. as i told youngsters are the second and third generation, miners also to recruit him by isolation and indoctrination works best among people carrying with them a lot of frustrations from the past and who may have

no chance in more of achieving anything in society they grew up. and then you asked me what is the reaction of the. well, they tried to turn it around, try to reform the information, we tried to reform the isolation process as by a process of rebuilding social networks around the youngsters. we are trying to mobilize the civil society. we're going to schools, trying to motivate schools teachers sports clubs or mosques to work together with the welfare of my city with the public authorities to rebuild, restore the social network around the young people so that they can feel that they are belonging to our society

that they get a future in our society, that they get opportunities and especially our young man, it's always said you have to give them new opportunities, new opportunities at another time new opportunities. so you have to restore, you have to motivate civil society to work together to restore the social network. and second thing is that instead of letting them be bombarded by messages and indoctrination processes, we do have to inform them. we do have to inform them what it is to be a real muslim in western society. what it is to be muslim. so, therefore, we need to have people knowing the koran and knowing the religion. and so these are things we are bringing together around partner tables, the social no books, the people who are important in the lives of the youngsters, together with people who are

very ingrained with the real islamic values. so that brings me to three short conclusions. the first conclusion is you're facing a global problem but you have to act locally. we have to see that we can't win the war against radicalism and extreme violent behavior of minority only by bombing in syria and iraq. we also have to combat in our cities, in the neighborhoods especially in the vilvoorde neighborhoods, we have to make break down those a try to radicalize all the people, those who try to recruit. that brings me to the second thing. we all have to do that on all political levels. we all have to do it and we have to stop the kind of policy i see everywhere. i see everywhere a kind of

policy, their countries in europe as a they don't have a problem, but they won't maybe not see a problem. i see cities also in my country navy are facing problems also of radical but who don't dare to talk about it, who don't dare to ask their society to get to where. and so that brings me to the third thing. the third brief consideration i made, and i promised to talk about icebergs because radicalism grows were integration fails. and radicalism gross whether or a lot of frustrations. and the people i talk about you have a history of a lot of frustration. and it's like an iceberg. we only see the top but it's much future under the water

line. and so we have to work on this frustration that his social policies, and its labor market policy education policy. so we have to work on these huge amount of frustration and as anyone knows, you can only build an iceberg with warmth, and that is what our youth needs. they need more warmth. thank you very much. [applause] >> you do some very important work bolstering traditional scholars and institutions in the radical movement. can you describe for us how you believe how those programs work and how you believe that helps incoming recruitment and radicalization? thank you.

>> hi, everybody. it's a pleasure to be here today. what is going on, on the field the day is condemnation of what is going in the a type of -- and frustrations in mines, and psyches, and the internet and elsewhere. so what we are witnessing on the field is just the tip of the iceberg. my sense in the psyches and in the brains are the net in the society. now we are witnessing a mutation in the extreme discourse but it is not just a few sectarian discourse. it is often a dream, dream of dignity and dream of unity. dream of unity because the

muslim world witnessed a clash in 1924, in many countries and -- countries in the muslim world like they were more often than not in this frame because it has its own -- but majority of countries felt -- decisions were taken and assembled. so people felt orphanage and they were looking for a father. it's a sort of panacea to fulfill but everybody will seek him out after. so in morocco we were aware of the fact that this is a dream that is being offered, and we need to shape a political islamic theory that will respond to that. and this if you can follow up history, you see that this is what happened in many countries.

and in morocco it was the case but in 1979 in iran after the iranian revolution that was -- which is what in daesh and boko haram are claiming. it is not a game. they are doing it for a political purpose because it has set a flaw that cannot be displayed and let from this position. but their legitimacy is the question. this discourse needs to be deconstructed, and this is what you were trying to do in morocco. we have been through the literature, extremist literature literature, oral, written, visual, on the internet. and we've discovered some repetitive items such as the

west has been conspiring the west has flaunted issue in the muslim world so we need to do something about that. they will say that those governors, are not doing what it needs to be done so we need to do it ourselves. they will highlight the fact that -- there has been close and. millions have been killed and the states be addressed. we need to do what you can do about this. they will talk about -- go talk to double standard, talk about the fact that there is this cocktail iraqi, afghani, some african cocktail. seven, bill talk about the infiltration a matter of values and to matter of ideology. and eight last but not least, bill talk about their value

system that is being challenged and we need to do something about this. and for all that they daesh people will come and use the vacuum that was created but during the 16th, 17th and 18th area religion was not a dress and tackled as it should have been tackle the. we have armories of officials, religious officials in the muslim world. take the example of egypt give 280,000 officials that are being paid by the public money. in saudi arabia you have 300000 people. in morocco you have 70000. internation europe 35,000. those people -- in tunisia your 35,000. those people need to be icons and empowerment.

this would require some curricula, address, and some work to reshape those people and enable them to do this. because they are already on the payroll and this is what they have been trained for. so in morocco we've been doing this. we have twice a month training for over 50,000 people. and we're offering some curricula what could make them aware of those challenges. then we've been going through a section after deconstruction force and seize it is offering the dream of unity and dignity. put yourself in the shoes in this skin of 18 year or 20 years old guy work, jobless, angry frustrated and reading on the net that comes to the most

beautiful woman who overcome debate and we will make you, we have intelligence in daesh. come to you and i will make a few scholars. we need to offer alternatives. and this work in the dream arena is very crucial. and here comes the role of the layers of factions in social structures, in academia universities and research centers, and so on. so this fact that they traditional institutions need to be re- empowered is something that we have been working on. sections of perception, we're talking to youth we need them to be the ones who are doing for themselves. they do not need idol faces on those actions. they need those actions to be there. this is why we have program for

kids and people, youngsters we have cartoons under trying to work on video games. this is not very easy but those videogames need to be appealing. they need to be as colorful, as joyful as those wonderful video games. and last but not least we need to beware of the fact that there has been a vacuum in the structures, the structures like the order structure, like the extent of -- this is a vacuum called extremism. and in morocco we've been working on this just to wrap up, we need to be aware of the facts that what is being offered is in the arena of content. and we need to work in the contact, we need to mobilize our universities and our research centers to shape and integrated

collaborative strategy to work towards all those i mentioned to tackle the issue. and this is what we have been trying to do in morocco so far. thank you. [applause] >> we are running a tight ship you. thank you. oren at the anti-defamation league used to do all kinds of violent extremism, special athletes to anti-semitism. can you talk about the resources you've created to empower communities? >> okay, slight about 140 characters or less so let me just say in the jewish community the concept of violent extremism is not abstract. it's very real, and so at abl domestic but the national we're trying to deal with mitigate this threat of violent extremism. we don't have the lecturing frankly to focus on what extremist limit over another.

and so the discussion today and in the coming days come and for a while it's really imperative for us, based on a research group based on the trends we are seeing, and, frankly, based on the threat not just to the jewish committee but to the entire american community that we look not just at one community. violent extremism is not a muslim community problem. it's an american problem. it -- [applause] it's also a problem that is international. and so we are looking to ways to mitigate that threat. we have defined partners to help us do that. and so i've adl with the multiple different partners. you know, i still believe that effective countermeasures, counter narratives, effective ways to counter violent extremists to work through law enforcement. that's important to we heard about on the panel today informed law enforcement

entity agencies, the more that they know not just about the communities but about the actual threats. that's where a deal steps in because of our research. and so if we take for example, the threat of white supremacist and white -- right wing extremist a look at the amount of murders in this country in the past say 10 years, 95% of murders against americans, and that includes law enforcement, have been caused advance of right wing extremists. we have to remember that fact were coming up with strategy. but that doesn't mean that we can do with these various different movements at the same time. while we have to recognize the diversity of the threats, we also want to recognize that each threat requires a unique set of remedies and strategies to combat them. so dealing with a sovereign citizen movement, which is likely going to get any confrontation with a law enforcement officer because they don't recognize authority, is a

very different approach than one giving with american citizens who are motivated by the radical interpretations of islam. we can't have the same remedies we have to treat them separately. it's important to have a space to deal with isis and al-qaeda to discuss that. it's also important to have a space to do with white supremacists. and, of course we can learn about what their commonalities are. obviously, they all hate jews for one. but in other ways there's also a commonality. but we also to make sure that when we are looking at the specific threats that we are really identifying them for what they are. so when we look at american citizens a try to to isis and al-qaeda over the past say three years, what have we noticed? these are people of diverse backgrounds, diverse religions diverse races. yeah, diverse religions as well. perhaps they are responding to the call you know radical

violent extremism that his motive by a radical interpretation of islam. but these people are not muslims themselves in many cases. we have to understand that the krishna converted to islam just two days ago believes that are part of isis and al-qaeda. does that make them part of the muslim community? so the resources that we put in to creating positive relationships with muslim community is very important but we cannot forget all those who are not within the muslim community that are responding to these threats as well. profiling doesn't work. so the more we are educated about the actual people that are getting radicalized, the better we're going to be in terms of finding these remedies. i'm going to conclude in this because i know we're short on time. in addition to law enforcement, we found a very willing partner in terms of the technology industry as a whole. i've read a lot about a lot of criticism, why don't we just have facebook and twitter and

youtube, et cetera, et cetera, just remove all this stuff so people won't have access to and they won't get radicalized? besides the fact is completely impractical and we also freedom of speech in this country the rail is that these companies are doing something about it. there are different levels. we've worked with them. they have endorsed adls best practices which basically reminds people, there uses config people are trying to exploit their services as well that not only is there a legacy of technical innovation that has me created by these areas technology companies but these companies take seriously the fact that people are trying to exploit them. and so they're trying to also come up with creative solutions to mitigate those who want to exploit them. they are responsive, part of the community coming up with strategy. that's been a critical partner for adl as well. and, finally i have to say at the end of the day what's the most effective way to sort of walk somebody off that ledge? you can share information with

law enforcement. you can share a strategy with the tech industry. but when you have your own peers who are willing to not only identify a problem but have the courage to step up that's part of this narrative as well. so or educational programs where we go to schools to try to train them not to be innocent bystanders that they have a voice starting at the age of eight and nine. if you see something you can say something as well. it's not just a law enforcement mantra. you see someone getting bullied, you see someone being stereotyped in a negative way well, even at that age we are trying thing you could do something about it. because of that valley of not being a bystander of having a voice, using positive speech to combat negative speech that's what we're talking about in this arena of countering violent extremism. so we have to start young and then take it from there. thank you very much for your time. [applause]

>> please join in thanking the rest of our panelists for the comments to the and please use the opportunity lunchtime to you more about their programs. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> today on c-span2, the white house summit on combating terrorism continues with opening remarks by suggested john kerry. you can watch it live at 8:45 a.m. eastern. and later more about efforts to prevent terrorism when former white house officials from the obama and george w. bush administrations take part in a discussion at the center for strategic and international studies. bob schieffer of cbs news moderate. live coverage begin at 5:30 p.m. eastern. >> traveling to use a cities to learn about their history and literary life.

this weekend we partner with time warner cable for a visit to greensboro, north carolina,. >> and after months and months of cleaning the house, charles halpern who had been given the task was making one more walk through, and in the attic he looked over and he saw an envelope with kind of a a green seal on it, and walked over and noticed the date was in 1832 document. he removed a single mail from a panel and upstairs attic room and discovered h. wrote in books and portraits stuffed up and this was this treasure of dolley madison's things. we've had historic available to the public displaying different items from time to time but trying to include her life story from her birth to her death in 1849. some of the items that we currently have on display, a

card, ivory calling card case that has a card enclosed with her signature as well as that of her niece, some small cut glass perfume bottles and a pair of silk slippers that have tiny little ribbons that type across the arch of her foot. and the two dresses are the reproduction of a silk peaches silk gown that she wore early in life, and a red velvet gown which has intrigue both that it has lasted and as part of his collection, there's also a legend that is no accompanying this address. >> watch all of our events from greensboro saturday at noon eastern on c-span2's booktv and sunday afternoon at two on american history tv on c-span3. >> in this part of the white

house summit on combating violent extremism, muslim community leaders in the boston area talk about what they're doing to prevent radicalization. this is 40 minutes. [applause] >> good afternoon, everyone. it is a real honor to be here. given boston's history of successful collaborative approaches to combating violence we were thrilled to be chosen to be one of the three island cities to develop into intimate a framework to counter violent extremism. the endeavor would have been possible without the support of dozens of what i like to refer

to as local champions some of which you saw in the video some of who are sitting here and many who are back home in boston. local champions to consist of community activists, service providers, faith based leash and educators who have been committed to this process. the framework that we develop really is the first step and it is what we refer to as a menu of options to help communities, communities anywhere, regardless of their ethnicity their issues, the problems really to use and identify their own problems relative to them whether dealing with vulnerable youth, whether dealing with this trust in the government, whether it is dealing with vulnerabilities to social media but to identify those problems and really to help and to steer and to try to identify those individuals who are on the path to violent extremism.

and allow me to introduce the key collaborators that are sitting at the table that you will be hearing from in a moment. from islamic council of new england regional director of the anti-defamation league, director of counseling and intervention from the boston public schools starting this process the challenge really was to try to be and bring a group as diverse as possible truly inform the strategic plan that we have come up with. and so i will start first. during this timeframe and is going to be sure i know where limited for time we hope to cover the process that we engage

in in developing it comes to the public as we identified the number of goals going forward. so let me start with saida. can you from the outside of this initiative we've talked about the importance of using a multidisciplinary approach to countering violent extremism which requires a proper balance between nongovernmental and governmental stakeholders. can you share your impressions with the work that is been occurring thus far? >> thank you. i have been working with somali youth for 20 years. i am engaged in both research and intervention, and when i heard about this program, my first thing was all my god, we are often traumatized by the talk about isis. our kids see this on tv all day others talk about it, and how are we going to do this? i was happy to be part of something that was be willing to

work within the committee but how are we going to make sure we conclude this, that it is not a stigmatized label and -- ostracize a committee. and the approach was that this was an issue that was too complex to be contained within a small group. that we had to bring all of these different expertise. but also we have to beware of this complexity. we have to invite all kinds of voices into the discussion to we have to all of them. and the other thing was that we didn't have to label one community. because you know what at the start of all of this is how do we protect vulnerable youth? and the fight with someone like governor brown who has worked on getting issues in boston, and has worked with this without we work with committees but prevent youth from big recruit into games and the amounts. so we said we