>> what he believes would have taken. >> it to five so i mean, they would of been a fight. it would've been an area that they talked about. that's why baghdad. you have yet to see them take on a real, sustained force. baghdad is so valuable that it would've been a fight.

>> let's go over here. back hear. >> the daily foundation. it has been a really strange week in the realm of ideas. we had an article earlier in the atlantic. the islamic state is very islamic and it's foolish to talk about these things without entering realistically and seriously in the realm of ideas. to what extent does the allergy have consequences? what role does the united states playing talking about theology? do we combat the seriously theologically driven threat? >> well, i want to say one thing you. do we have a general in charge of ideas?

do we have somebody who wakes up every day and looks of the ideological war and says this is our going to play the battlefield? we don't. [inaudible conversations] >> so it is not just that piece. all of the other things that we are putting into the bucket of the soft power that that person doesn't actually control. and so the integration of both of those things i mean, in my view is we think about all of these pieces, including the theological piece heat part of our government is doing things in there own way and there is know one actually working it. i believe in our constitution and believe that they're is a clear line

between church and state. and i don't think anyone in the united states government should be sitting around talking about what religion means. that is dangerous. and as somebody who was a special representative to muslim communities i never ever quoted the quran. being a taxpayer did not put me in charge of telling you what the quran means. so i have a very hard line on this. i think that's this theological conversation we're having it's very dangerous. were not sitting hear pondering the meaning of these things. you know one 5th of the planet is muslim and they are diverse. all over the world cultures and heritages have impacted the way that they practice there faith command we need to honor that. there is a lot of controversy about what is and is not islamic whatever that might mean. i happen to be an american command i happen to be muslim, but i'm not qualified to sit hear and tell you something that was written at the top of the profit means this today.

i don't feel comfortable doing that. it's dangerous water when you start to put things in little boxes. of course these these bad guys are using the inspiration from there interpretation of religion to do terrible things. and i absolutely believe that muslim parents around the world can accept that. and to do everything that they can't just stop the kids from being recruited based on the faulty premise of what the religion is. the work through and start telling people who is a good a good and who is a bad muslim. the final failsafe the kind of approach that we are taking which is only talking about muslim and shia, they're are a lot of minorities that are left behind. as far as i'm concerned it is not for me to say it was more or less.

i we will not say it's good or bad. the minute we start talking about this walk down a dangerous path. >> over here. right hear. [inaudible question] >> back in the 60s 60s we had a lot of young people hitting radicalized to conduct violence. we had in in this country the fla the red brigades all these groups were being radicalized. people's nice middle-class children were robbing banks, banks, killing people, taking hostages. how is this different? >> i think it's a great

question. and a lot of the countermovement that we have talked about have tried to learn lessons from that time , from the anti- gang initiative in certain communities in part because you have certain strains the recruitment of radicalization that looks an awful lot like this. they're are certain strands that are very similar. one of the key initiatives to counter extremism is an attempt to gather former extremists of all stripes to learn lessons, to galvanize them and then to go out and try to counter the ideology. so it's a great question. the main difference from my perspective goes back to this question of theology because the difference between what you described in terms of the nationalist or other terrorist movements of the 60s 70s, and even 80s or the cold war which is often looked to as a

model for how we engage in ideological battles is very different from dealing with the transnational a transnational set of actors and networks that are trying to hijack religion and really are trying to use elements of the theology and mythology around it to reshape identity and are trying to redefine the vanguards for muslims around the world. this was in part bin laden's doing to create a muslim awakening that would imbue this ideology, this notion that the rest of the world of islam bears a religious obligation to fight and on the grievances are actually to be acted upon. the theological dimension in this transnational context, the 21st century that really is the difference between then and now. >> i would just say this this and it will be our last comment. it is different because the

stakes are so much higher in the weapons are so much to more dangerous. but the fact is they're are know nuclear weapons out they're. if one of these groups got one of those weapons there is know question, i would think, in anyone's in anyone's mind that they would use it in and you talk about killing hundreds of thousands people and not just a few. there is always -- you no in every movement from the history of the beginning of mankind there has been a string of violence that is to. but i think at no.are the stakes higher than they are today because of the danger that these weapons pose. that is just my opinion. that we will have to be our

last. thank you so much for coming. [applause] >> thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> with the senate in recess this week here each night book tv in primetime. tonight a look at campaigns for president. president obama's political adviser on his book

believer, my 40 years in politics. former. former arkansas governor and 2,008 presidential candidate mike huckabee .. tatum, who is live on the c-span

bus. you are a race relations expert. in the wake of ferguson and the wake of the "black lives matter" marches, is there something unique about the conversation on an all-female campus? >> >> certainly young black men are impacted as well not just through themselves with the communities they represent. >>host: today in the "washington post" saying the fbi director will give a speech addressing relations between police and blacks the director will weigh in on the national debate

between the two. that it would be the first time leaders have publicly addressed the issue of race at length it is happening at georgetown university today. what about the relations between police and african-americans? in the kidneys to speak candy because there is a problem and it has a long standing history and our nation so i hope he will seek not only the past also the present and the future to improve that situation. we know that changes needs to be made i hope he will seek that. >>host: water the changes you want to see with changes that spellman -- at spelman? >> we want them to think critically of social issues of all kinds think of criminal-justice system in

particular that increases the likelihood weather driving while black those issues are of critical a part -- importance and daily lives but think about what are the public policy issues and what role they can play as the choice to change the world and how they themselves can make a difference through public policy or the simple act of voting which is so critical to understand. >>host: we are talking to beverly daniel tatum president of spelman college.

but this is the 50th anniversary of dr. king's march in selma and added all female university can explain that leadership of the civil rights movement in the '50s and today? >> there is a wonderful book called undaunted by the fight mitt by a former professor at spellman college that chronic -- chronicles the role of the women in the civil-rights movement and we know that has been under estimated not told as widely as the men that we know for example, that the president of the student government association was the author of a very important document

that appeared in the atlantic at papers in 1960 calling upon the state and the nation to respond to the of rights of young people with the help of other students that we will not wait idly by to take action that galvanized the student activism that was a critical part so we take pride in the history so our students are wanting to be a part of that. >>host: you are the female leaders today to voodoo point to today? >> if somebody like stacy abrams who is an elected

official with that is the democratic whip in the legislature the first time an african-american has held that role to have an established rule to speak of social justice issues we may think of barry wright edelman to is been a champion with young people or their families and that is to be admired greatly. >>host: we're talking to teeeighteen president of spelman college with faculty and staff of 631 in annual budget of 1.$4 million.

it is the c-span book tour of historically black colleges and universities in revisiting a few of them. dr. tatum this year to take questions and comments starting with a caller from maryland. >> caller: good morning. i would say i would appreciatappreciat e her efforts of all african and united states citizens. and the changes that will cut that i think her for all her efforts and those that are contributing to news of progress and that is all i have to say. >>host: why don't you like

the term african-american and? to make it doesn't make sense for you cut from one place not to places. >> i think the language we use is very important then some terms are more important than others if we use the term african-american does not necessarily include those that are from the caribbean who identify with the black community. so how we use our language makes a difference but but here at spelman we're educating women of african descent because they are from all over the world not just the united states but indeed. >> attending a traditionally historic black college or university good morning. go-ahead. >> caller: i am american native indian so the

treatment i have received was very for. -- barry for. but to talk about african-americans it is just to me it is all types that should be counted for with the treatment and i live in los angeles. >>host: any thoughts dr. tatum? >>guest: when we talk about issues of race relations ready to go beyond black and white. these are the communities that historically served day population and the target population that had been

released from bondage. but with that said we have been an inclusive committee through history founded by white women and certain the wed three think about the people to access to education i am very pleased to say that part has been represented here at spelman as well. >>host: a follower on twitter has a question. , to the current budget is dedicated to stem majors compared to humanities? >>guest: that is a great question. i cannot give you exact dollars but i can tell you of the 2100 students that we have roughly a one-third have chosen to major in the stem field and biology is one of the most popular.

we have 54 faculty and roughly one-third is representing that parallels the students. so that it is one-third of the budget is important to offer exploits so whether a student decides to major in stem with social sciences or humanities or the arts so with the exemplary faculty a matter what she wants to pursue. >>host: a louisiana who has attended a hbcu. >> caller: good morning dr. tatum. i want to touch john the idea why there is a need for traditional black colleges. i have heard people make a

comedy does it seem to be a necessity but most of the professionals were all of the traditional black colleges says jens morehouse and there was one within walking distance to my home but i could not have graduated i had to be to go to baton rouge so i could attend college because i knew that is what i wanted to reduce. so can you speak to why we have traditional black colleges? >>guest: one of the strengths of american higher education system is diversity. there is a lot of choices for people today but i'd like to say to young women whose think about coming to spelman one of the exciting parts of that choice is they are going to be at the center of the educational experience. when a woman of african

descent says a want to be at a place that was built and designed for me there is not very many places she can be at the center of the experience swishy enters the lab the faculty members are focused on her if she was to undergraduate research they will be available for her without any barriers. that is very empowering. when she graduates to become a part of the network of sisterhood there are women you are successful looking at all for her to file her succeed as well. that is powerful and one of the reasons why we take pride that spelman is a leading producer of women who learn ph she's in the sciences. not many places can claim to be the pipeline were they are under represented.

>>host: in your time's story from last year talked about the struggles and challenges with colleges and with those hbcu was held a monopoly but those that stepped-up recruiting. would you agree with that? >> i think there is more competition today for sure that is not necessarily a bad thing. think of segregation students were limited where they could go to school. but now they have choices is a sign of progress but we know that we offer something special if you want what we had you have to come here to

get it is true with more institutions with financial aid to offer can often make scholarships available that are attempting for students to pursue but then they have to decide m i going to get what i want from my education in an environment i am on the margins instead of the center of the experience? but we take great pride that spelman continues to be historic of talented many women want to come to spelman we had a growth of 40% of applications over the last 10 years and there are more than enough students to fill classrooms here at spelman college. >> the student to faculty ratio the graduation rate is 76% the cost of attending with tuition and fees is

25200500 and rhythm board is $12,000 we are with beverly daniel tatum who was here for the next half-hour. the next caller from pennsylvania. >> caller:. dr. tatum good morning. it is a pleasure just to sit here to listen to you one of the most successful black universities in the country but its i know a lot of history of the hbcu is fascinating but spelman was that founded by two white women was one the wife of

rockefeller decades ago? and is there a book you can buy to give a history of most of the hbcu i wish you luck. >>guest: let me start with the history of spelman was founded by two white women that were religious missionaries traveling from massachusetts to atlanta. and they established april april 11, 1881 in the basement of a local church. they were befriended by the rockefeller family and traveled around raising money for the college and they spoke that it church were rockefeller heard them speak. his wife befriended the women and the rockefeller family was very generous to help them get established in fact, the land for the college and now sits was

purchased largely with the help of the rockefeller family. in gratitude the founders decided they will change the name of the school that was a rich lady of the antenna baptist female seminary in which a ship to spelman cemetery to her parents they were abolitionist and it seemed fitting to the founders to honor that tradition with the name of spelman. >>host: your recommendation for a good place to go for a good history of hbcu around the country? >>guest: a wonderful book i read called stand and prosper. i don't remember the authors but it was a wonderful study of the history of hbcu of book specifically of spelman currently out of print but you still can't find it on

amazon. >>host: 324,000 students attend a hbcu around the country's 20% to earn degrees through hbcu. west virginia good morning. >> caller: good morning. i want to make a comment about the racial issues in missouri and i think the fbi should not have come down there they should have let the local police department take care of their own thing. and i. m. a white person but i gotta church as a black

preacher. you have good white people and good black people. people just need to get along with each other better. it seems like they throw up racism all the time now and it should not be that way. >>host: the caller said the federal government should not have gotten involved with some of these other investigations among local authorities take care of it. >>guest: i do think there is a role for the federal government because when we see a pattern of course, you can find isolated incidents everywhere but a woman there is up pattern that suggest racial disparities in sentencing or the way the justice system is operating it is in the national interest to have a better understanding and try to correct it. i commend the system for stepping forward and a look

forward to hearing what the director of the fbi has to say. >>host: the next caller is from virginia. good morning. >> caller:. >>host: are you with us? okay. are you there? >> caller: i am here. they give for taking my call. good morning. i am a graduate 2002 class of hbcu. just with us at nurturing process that i received at hbcu and i am grateful but my question is regarding the administrative efficiency of the challenge that the

college did as well but the areas of the administration that the students to with more frequently can use. [inaudible] that what you see on the horizon from leadership perspective to streamline to make that process for the students? they give for taking my call >> i think it is important that any institution and certainly i have been president here 30 years and when i came to spelman it is one area i thought we could focus on as we continue to improve as an institution. i think we have made a lot of gains but one thing we often hear about is the alumni for the graduates are sometimes discouraged to support assistance of the

institutions but we had 71 percent supporting our campaign we raise $158 million with more than 12,000 of the graduates and as the vote of confidence of what they see as tremendous strides at the institution with issues like organizational effectiveness but it is something every president needs to pay attention to and we are working on it here at spelman. >>host: restarted that campaign 10 years ago. you are now debating a position of president at spelman. what is next? >> as an average tenure six 1/7 years i feel like i have done my part. so completing a successful

campaign i just celebrated my 60th birthday in accord i am not necessarily retiring from professional activity but no less demanding role and a look forward to that opportunity. i feel that it is the great time to pass the baton we have had the very successful campaign to raise 158 million to rally around the institution and students are doing great things that are made available to them and sold many wonderful things have been able to take place it is a perfect moment to pass the baton

because there is a lot of momentum. >>host: the next caller is from texas. >> caller: i want to first think with the tumor of hbcu and also a touche dr. tatum for her efforts and leadership and she has bloomed been taken on leadership roles and i want dr. tatum to speak to the culture are the trading to go out and change the world. to speak to the need for all

colleges and universities with a counterpart of morehouse do they still have of the rolling college life? to say they are out of date. >>guest: i think there is an important role to be played so women's colleges so to provide the leadership opportunities and the reality is to have the opportunity to be inspired by women around her to do things and she may want to

sue everyone is one that women can aspire to. for those that are already in such a role. there is opportunity for mentor shipping and to that means we had the best of both worlds and then be have plenty of coed interaction but also in the classroom you are at the center of the experience. that makes a huge difference that the sense that they can truly do anything. the there doing anything and everything. >> let's set up to your. good morning. >> caller: dr. tatum of what you to know i have any set attended hbcu but we are i italian but her experience

was so rewarding and so beautiful she was not just accepted of the students and president but embraced and had the most wonderful all experience. >>guest: i am delighted to hear that but i am not surprised because we are historically black does not mean that we are exclusionary. the faculty is quite diverse so i am glad to know the was george neece experience but i am not surprised. >>host: nominee our non african-american now renee? >>guest: a very small percentage. less than 5% but the reality

is the unusual on african-american students who want to be in the majority but we do have students with exchange programs around the world it really gets international students to come to visit on exchange from places like u.k., japan, of brazil. we have students that come to us food matriculate like paris from the continent of africa of course, or south africa or zimbabwe. . . u.s. students who are not as african dissent. they are welcome to come. we have students who identify as hispanic. we also have students who identify as biracial.

it is a diverse community in the context of african dissent, but there are not many white students right now. i do not think we have any white students at spelman. host: some breaking news this morning. democrats have decided to hold the national convention in philadelphia. that will be the week of july 25. of course the week before july 18 through the 21st republicans are holding their 2016 convention in cleveland. the news on the democratic convention out this morning. calling from new york good morning. >> caller: good morning. thank you for having me on the show. dr. tatum i am an alumni of spelling college and i want to thank you for all of your work on behalf of women and in the last 13 years we have seen the efforts and we are going to miss

you a lot but wish you well in your next endeavor. i recently gave birth to twins one of them is a daughter and i'm really hoping she she follows in her mom's footsteps in the 18 years as 18 years of thumb is so my question is where d.c. the future and in a very different environment for when my daughter is 18? >> guest: well it's hard yes it's hard to project 18 years in the future because so much is changing in higher education across-the-board not just for hbcus. we hear a lot about distance learning and on line learning and the ways technology is changing education but i do believe that places like spelman will be doing well and be strong vibrant institutions 20 years 50 years hopefully 100 years from now. i believe there is a real

important place in higher education for the small residential liberal arts education of the kind that spelman offers. we know that affordability and access are critical questions and that we have to continually strive to ensure that we are providing an education that is affordable and accessible to our target population. but the quality that is being provided by our faculty, the global experiences that our students are having, the opportunity to do undergraduate research and to be well-prepared for the workplace and a graduate or professional school environment, those characteristics i expect to be solidly in place 10 15 20, 50 years from now and i hope your daughter will indeed make a choice to change the world and come to spelman college like her mom did. >> host: dr. tatum he talked about fund-raising of spelman. what -- one of the major donors have been the cosby family bill

cosby providing $20 million in the past. in light of his recent legal allocations that he is facing what is spelman's current relationship of the cosby family? >> guest: we have a statement on their web site regarding this matter and i'm going to refer your watchers to that statement. >> host: do you want to paraphrase it for us now to get a chance to talk about what the statement says? >> guest: no i think it's very concise and anyone who really wants to know about it we will be happy to refer to it. when you think about spelman today we think about the 12,348 new donors who contributed to our campaign in the midst of the worst recession. we celebrate that and we know that spelman is moving forward in a wonderful direction so thank you for the opportunity to talk about it. i appreciate the opportunity to lift up hbcus lift up hbcus and thank c-span for the tour they're doing. >> host: we have time for a

few more calls a few minutes before the house comes in. here's someone who attended an hbcu and the lucky wisconsin. good morning. >> caller: good morning, good morning dr. tatum. it's a pleasure speaking with you. i am a black student and attended a black college and my college was jackson stayed in jackson mississippi. although i really love spelman college my family, at my parents not afford to send me to spelman but i wholeheartedly admired the spelman women and you can tell them they stand out. they are different i think from all everybody else. so congratulations for all that you are doing for the women no matter what nationality they are. if they go to spelman they have a wonderful place to go for an education thank you very much and congratulations. >> guest: thank you for those

kind words. >> host: markets waiting columbia south carolina. marc, good morning. >> caller: good morning. my question as is i have a 5-year-old granddaughter and right now she hasn't started school yet. i'm trying to guide her and put spelman in her head at this point in the problem is how do we get from the route to get to the college. right now they are saying she possibly needs medication but she's a very bright child very independent. can it be done and i stayed in a a way that financially i would like to start now to help her stay to the point that she won't be a burden at least financially to go to school. thank you. >> guest: well starting early i think it's a wonderful example as a grandparent or parent to say i know i want my child to go to college when she is ready and

i want to start saving now whether you use a 529 plan to do that or some other method that setting dollars aside to make sure that opportunity is available to her i think it's a wonderful thing to do. i know that there are many young people who are sometimes rambunctious and that's often a sign of intellectual curiosity. i would just say continue to encourage her to explore her intellectual interests to create those opportunities to expand her horizons and absolutely save those dollars so when she is ready you will be ready to support her matriculation perhaps a spelman. we would love to see that happen but an institution. i think there is nothing better than a family can do than to prepare early for that college education. we know it makes a difference to the long-term success of a young person to have access