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we will start with april ryan who a lot of you no who will talk about her experiences covering president bush and obama. after that we will have dan pfeiffer, the pfeiffer, the president senior advisor. i would like to thank all of you who are watching c-span for carrying this, the bank this, the bank of america for these conversations. a fantastic partner. so we appreciate this partnership and the a great, eliminating conversations that we have had as part of it. tweet us your questions. we we will try to get your question in. now i would like to welcome the american urban radio networks longest and most

respected members of the white house press corps april ryan. [applause] >> didn't you no there was something called book leave? >> i should have. >> i do to cities a day. >> so the presidency in black and white. three presidents. this pres. obama do enough to reach out to african-americans? >> he has brought a lot of issues to the table. he brings many african-americans to the table. there's a difference with this president.

a a president who happened to be black. >> did you see that coming? >> i was i was surprised at the sharpness of the change. >> what has changed? >> second term fourth-quarter unequivocally talking about race, race, issues of race how he has been affected by race. so now he is making no bones about the issues bloody sunday having the controversial movie screening in the white house issues of my brother's keeper the racial profiling the trying to

support the police as well as root out those who are doing bad policing. >> so you are there in the white house every day and talk about the importance of being they're. you are not abundant. what do you get by being in that room every day? >> you are seeing. >> you are the body? >> on the body. third row, smack dab in the middle. that helps to perpetuate the questions, to throw the questions in front of the principles. it is important to be there to ask the questions, to be seen so that they know you are serious about your coverage and what you do because unfortunately there is occur in that room.

it's a tough from the navigate particularly if you are not the millionaire row. if you're not in those 1st two rows it's pretty hard. a further back you go it's harder to get attention from the principles. >> while we are watching a a briefing on c-span or on our computers what is happening off-camera? >> i could get in a lot of trouble. [laughter] the old principal deputy secretary if a reporter would ask questions that they did not feel comfortable with where did not welcome there would be a certain look. eyes were role, the stairs the heartbeat. and they would give you i contact and even ask you sometimes who is that sitting next to. there's a lot going on.

a lot of times they ignore me. i'm always working. you've got to work and you have got to work the angles. >> the young persons coming into the white house and you have been great about been touring what is the biggest specific advice that you could give to them about how to be as you are? >> the objective the lies that obscure between opinion and fact, be as objective and you can't -- as you can and do not rely upon information from the white house because you get more when you have sources outside the white house who can give you more of the back story without as much spin. you come in with a rolodex. >> for this book, the presidency in black and white you had a fantastic standing room only event at

politics and prose and a very high a very high level current obama administration official they're. >> several people from various administrations. i was very grateful. it was interesting that she came. i reached out there and asked her and her, and she said she would come. >> what is a role? >> senior adviser to pres. obama. >> that is her title. >> she advises the president of the united states. she has a very unique role, as close to this president as far as from chicago. there is trust their. she advises she advises him domestically on things. she helps them as well as others navigate the waters of how to engage in this country, how to fix problems or how to move forward with issues.

>> issue the most powerful person in the white house? >> the pres.'s. >> after him. >> i joke and say that she is. i think that she is. and i must saying that. i think it is a great thing, a wonderful thing. we have had ms. rice during the bush years who was instrumental. in this book she acknowledged that she was one of the closest advisers to the pres. it is true. >> what do they call you? >> i don't know. >> george w. >> george w. bush had all those nicknames. anyway, i hope they call me honest and fair. >> in your book you write about covering president clinton command you write in their about a soul food

dinner that you offered president clinton. >> we had a historic dinner with pres. bill clinton had a time that we were dealing with issues of race. was the 2nd term command the numbers of black reporters at the white house we had not had an otr >> tell us what an otr is. >> and off the record. >> many of the white correspondence who sat in the 1st two rows. >> million israel. >> they had all of these off the record with the president. you you always want to get close to the principal to get a sense of how to report on a certain story. so the white house is trying to figure out how we get a meeting so they can talk to us about what they think. both sides came and met in the middle.

literally literally this was the secret service had to watch a person cook. they were there watching. anything you can imagine. he hated hated on one for. he jokingly said hey, how are you doing? remember that soul food dinner? yes, mr. president. that's why that's why i had my heart attack. >> what would hillary clinton be like to cover? >> people need to recognize

that she is a trailblazer has the presidential pedigree command on the same as a supporter but just from looking at the paper whether you like it or not. she is not president clinton. we we will have to see how she navigates the waters. one one thing we will have to figure out is how you handle president clinton be as he will have to have something to do. i say this because you have a man who was president of the united states was done around the world, had this great initiative, the clinton global initiative. he might be the next ambassador, something. he is capable. >> you have another interview. before we let you go final

question you are an officer in the white house correspondents association. if you could have anyone as the entertainer, who would it be? >> two people. one person i really wanted was chris rock. i thought he would be hot. i put it out they're. i i think you should. another person who came back into the limelight recently s&l 40th anniversary at a murphy. those are two of my dream comedians. i think that they would rocket. >> congratulations on your book, thank you book thank you for coming in. by the book. good luck with your next interview. interview. we welcome the president senior advisor, dan pfeiffer. [applause]

>> he joined the president the day before he announced for president martin luther king day 2,007. >> at his core he is the same guy. a weird experience. a weird experience. sitting around as we are traveling, talking sports flashing back to the same conversations we were having eight years ago when it was just the president my flying around. and then we kind of step back. we're having this conversation on our way to the vatican to meet the pope is the same person. more battle hardened over time, more time, more experienced, like all of us more gray hair but

he feels like the same person. >> the biggest thing you have learned from this president about life leadership, management. >> this president has an amazing ability to really give people respect. you have to put yourself and issues. every interaction you have with any person is potentially a life-changing interaction. no have -- no matter how grumpy are tired you are always in the paper when you meet that person as their one chance to meet you, to be nice and to make that person feel that they matter to me does that incredibly well. it's amazing. if he can do that can we all? >> and david axelrod's book believer there is a moment in their what the president

was not in a good mood and he called david axelrod a word that certainly you cannot say on c-span. does that surprise you? >> look then around a been around a long time. >> of you been called that? >> i have been called some words over the course of time. we have each heard our fair share. >> what is it that would put the president in the mood like that? >> i think it could be in array of things on any given day. >> what this is some off? >> the thing that this is some of the most would be when politics gets in the way of easy simple solutions. >> i don't think that's what he was yelling about. >> sometimes you just the guy that walks into the

office on the wrong time. >> you have definitely been that guy. >> that happens to all of us a very easy, simple solution and then politics gets in the way and it's a wasted opportunity. >> all right. today the pres. did an an interview with dan mason. in that he said that iran should commit to a verifiable freeze on nuclear activity. at least ten years. he called it double-digit years. what is the outlook for a a permanent agreement on those lines? >> he said the odds were against. he is always said 50-50 at at best. i don't think that is changed. it's a hard thing to do. it is tough. we we will keep working on it. 50-50 at best is the best way to describe it. >> this president needs a deal to leave a permanent

foreign-policy legacy. >> i think the core -- i think i think a deal would be very important for the country. we made we made some real strides whether ending the war in iraq taking out bin laden the recent policy and cuba. a lot a lot of progress in that area. good for the country the matter is president. >> the question is if we don't get a deal what's the alternative. that could be a messy situation. it is important that we put every effort we can into getting a deal. it has to be a verifiable deal. and it is important, as we have been arguing, that congress not get the way of our attempt to get a deal. they have given. they have given us in space

which we appreciate. we have some time left to see what we can do. >> for those of you and watching we are here at the w hotel in downtown dc and right next to it one of the streets is blocked off because prime minister netanyahu is staying in a nearby hotel. [laughter] 's motorcade had to go around k street. this weekend on cnn other interviews secretary kerry is clearly turning down the rhetoric from the administration on this visit which was not your idea. did that get too hot? >> with the president said is that as prime minister netanyahu said we have unprecedented security cooperation with the israelis. the speech and how it came

about is a distraction from the larger issues. we we need to get focused on what we need to be focused on. >> it was a time that you all are stoking that discussion. >> we made the.that it is important we keep the us israeli relationship nonpartisan. that that has been the hallmark. it it is the right way to do it and the way that displayed output that at risk. i hope we can get past. >> playbook cocktails. you can be honest. >> is anyone drinking out there? >> not enough. >> you would love for prime minister netanyahu to lose the selection. >> this election. >> that is not true. [laughter] >> the entire rest of this has been around the idea that we won't get involved in the final action. that will remain true

certainly while, certainly well you and i are on the stage. >> one other question, if the administration loses the supreme court case on the affordable care act and potentially millions of people could lose there health care subsidies what will the president's message to the the? >> first is the knowledge the case. no one is on our side. >> that's not up to you. >> i wish it was. it is clear with the intent was. the oral arguments on a couple days and we we will focus our energy on the department of justice weighing the argument. i suspect that we will do that. it is important to recognize with the consequences of this decision would be. the impacts that it would have on premiums and i think i think it could be a

devastating thing much like the repeal efforts. you would be taking health insurance away from people that currently need it. >> what you could do in any eventuality. >> as secretary burwell said before congress the other day there is not a magic fix. there there is not something in the bag of tricks that can just fix of the court will rule the wrong direction. we don't have something of partially that we will fix it. >> is it possible that this would open the conversation with the congressional leadership that could result in a a grand bargain or a brandish bargain? >> you know, i think there are a lot of ways to get to a grand bargain. i would like to back at there this way. if you look at what happened in the congress a few days ago this

would be a complicated peace of business. the simple thing that they could do be to fund an agency for three weeks. i don't think we will rest our hopes -- we are always hopeful that something can to change and republicans get more functional, but we are not naïve. >> there are a lot of ways to a grand bargain in the 4th quarter. >> if i grand a grand bargain means it generally bipartisan agreement their is a chance, and the pres. will try for it. we it. we have to recognize. >> we want to start with some things we might be able to get done. >> petty bargaining.

>> something like that. >> it we will be really hard >> the most right wing congress in history. it's never been the compromise of this president >> sitting here even a week ago the list of things that could get done. senator elizabeth warren said she was against the tpa and tpp and that she was very concerned about some of the specific provisions. >> not necessarily. it we will be hard. has always been hard. a little bit harder than it has been in the past because you cannot

count as many republican votes as you used to because there is an isolationist wing of the republican party what people should do, this pres., if we are going to have the tpp it will be one for it -- one that is good for the middle class. he won agree to one that isn't. but the progressive you. that is not going to happen. everyone is trying to critique what they have not seen yet. it's not done yet. we have to get it. >> we should see. i don't believe that to be the case. we should let her see the deal and make a final judgment. >> you remain optimistic about changing senator warns mind? >> it is not for me to judge what the odds of changing her mind's eye. we should get an actual deal and let people look at that. >> you we will be leaving the white house when? >> friday. >> you have been doing a lot of things for the last time.

what is something you are happy to do for the last time? >> happy to do for the last time? the last time i wake up to 45 in the morning i we will be very happy to do that. >> he used to tell me you woke up every day at 4:20 am. >> over the course of time. that was true in the early days. over the course of time as i get better at time management and more tired. now i tired. now i wake up at that hour a couple days of the week. >> 450? >> five something. >> what was the time management. >> being able to separate the signal from the noise, what is real and what is something that is just a distraction.

>> thank you for doing this on your shortlist between now and friday. what else what else is on your shortlist? >> pack my office which i'm behind on. six years of accumulated stuff. i want to just soak in the last few days you and use this is an opportunity as an opportunity to put this entire experience and perspective. a been in a nostalgic mood. you look back to the early days the idea that we would all be here doing this and have this opportunity is amazing to think about. if i have one regret i spent too much of this you know, front seat for history with my face buried in my blackberry.

there is no major presidential speech i i actually watched. i heard it and read my e-mails. these last few days i want to try to soak it in and try to really recognize what this whole experience has been about. >> what something you did for the last time where you were a little -- >> i think the last time -- i i don't know whether the last trip i took -- >> what was that. >> we went we traveled last week went to florida for the town hall. as i was getting off -- because that's just this regal experience, sitting and chatting in the helicopter and i'm thinking this is the last time we do this. >> now now you have a fantastic vacation plan.

>> am going to take several weeks traveling. looking at some plans. >> the whole thing about vacation planning when you have no other job because you can always -- you never have to stop. i'm looking forward to getting some time off. i'll take more time. i'll have more time off in the coming few months that i have in the last few years. >> short-term plans. >> what i'm going to do monday morning when i wake up. >> unpacked. try to get a little sleep. get up early and read politico. >> he recently did a swing through silicon valley.

the surprising thing. >> well, the genesis of the trip was to go out they're and try to get the thoughts from the best and the brightest in silicon valley the big social media companies, the folks companies the folks in the venture capitol world looking at the next technology digital marketing and engage. the premises over the course of the six years of been in the white house the media landscape is changed so much that it is getting increasingly difficult to get your chosen message out and heard by people and at the same time is getting easy for your opponent to get there more viral processing message in to the ether. so you out there and talk to these folks and layout the problem in their answer is,

yeah, we have the same problem. everyone across the board is confronting this cluttered hyperkinetic media space where you got from a world where we refer to it as the broadcast model tv radio, newspapers of broadcasting in the network model we're not hearing directly from politico pursue the cbs or abc that from someone else who has heard from politico or cbs or abc and those people are self-selecting information so you end up in this world where people only you the information that there friends or colleagues are people on facebook want them to hear which makes it much more challenging future message up. >> what is the coolest thing that is being worked on. >> everyone can see this now, but the new -- what snap chat is doing with

espn, cnn vice and some others through there discoverer function that has fundamentally changed the way i watch espn because you can't really have espn on in the office. it's frowned on. it's a fair trade. but it's a very cool way of doing it. a lot of the things you find is they are getting their news from not even facebook necessarily the snap chat and histogram and are finding ways to get information out in ways that are completely antithetical to how we think about distributing news and information. >> is the pres. president on staff just? >> is not. >> out as he watches espn? >> on television at the gym like many americans. >> over the years he has been updating.

has that changed? >> he still has a blackberry. the ipad is his primary sort of media device. >> over the years we have had a longitudinal conversation about the president reads. there are a lot of things the president does that take you by surprise. what are some things that you no he's going to read different books, what? >> is going to read magazines. sometimes actual hardcopy form and also on his ipad everything ipad, everything from espn magazine in rolling stone to the economist, the atlantic and he focuses not because the articles are interesting but other topics you find incredibly fascinating. >> one of the projects that you engineered was reimagining how the state of the union is rolled out.

text was on the meeting before the president opened his mouth. >> a mildly controversial decision within the white house. you're breaking a pretty long tradition of the embargoed copy of the text. a lot of people are familiar with it it, but it's a great farce in washington. some number of minutes before the speech the president we will put out to the press corps the embargoed copies or the embargoed text of the speech then reporters we will submit to the resources within send it to there friends. and by the time the president has the podium basically everyone in washington has seen the speech but no one in the public as. our view this time was two things if everyone in washington can call like at why can't the public? do not going to change it.

might as well put it up. >> i don't know that. they get closer they get closer to the podium and we did. but one of the goals go with the conversations are happening. the television the television audience is diminishing every year him. we did 102nd.

>> and people what i read it but it never want to speech, but other people may become interested. we have a couple different groups of people in my. people would actually watch it on television. people who watch it live stream watch it on their laptop or ipad. facts, photos stuff like that. the two screen experience, people who were missing important things like i do twitter, facebook, and people who were never going to watch the speech and in its entirety topping out

segments of keynotes, hosting, highlights on places like and secure people histogram for people to see. we tried to provide content for all of them. >> there is a risk and reward to putting more white house officials on twitter. >> yes. twitter really twitter really came into prominence after weekend office. it was an emerging technology during the campaign but it was less a technology the political professionals work using to communicate there message. reporter started getting i quickly. the robert gibson the robert gibson briefing. people were constantly on there phones. he he thought they were texting but there were tweeting at the briefing. we felt like those were conversations we had to get into, and he broke ground by creating the at press desk account. then we slowly over time the

press secretary. myself. it became a trend. >> will you keep that are get a new handle? >> am working i'm working on that. >> what would it be? [inaudible] >> but the people we kept it to our people whose job it was to speak for the president. if you can do in on the record interview you probably could have your twitter account. hopefully. we sort of realize over the course of time that we were missing a lot of conversations in two ways. we didn't have we didn't have enough of our press staff on twitter. there was a huge back and forth happening with reporters themselves about shaping the narrative about the president and what we were doing and more

bandwidth to engage the conversation. a reporter tweeting something that wasn't incorrect take on the event that they. we can clear that up before it went too far that their we realize that for communities of interest people who would be interested in immigration or taxes on immigration and therefore it makes sense to have our director of domestic policy spearhead our efforts in the white house. but what you do is run a a risk. the big tension we deal with this discipline and authenticity. they they are not completely as in congress as it sounds.

the more people you put on twitter, the people who are less experienced the more likely you want to have someone make an error. we decided after a while about trying to be disciplined we were missing out on the conversation happening in social media. >> how we will the rapidly changing media world affect how the campaign is covered and run? >> i think whatever the answer yesterday will have to be different the year from now because the pace of change is so fast. i think that in terms of how it's run campaigns will mean a lot more people than we needed in 2,008 because you have to have people who are reaching out to influencers across the board, people that we have all heard of who have large twitter followings like paul krugman or tom friedman or someone like that. >> don't forget donna. >> of course. another one.

and then you also have them reaching out but there are people with fewer followers who are very influential on a specific set of issues. one example is dave roberts. a lot of people watch and may not know who he is. he has a lot of influence on people follow climate. reaching out to influencers like that even further below the line which will take effort and resources. the 2nd thing is i think that the idea of the message of the day is different. you now have -- there may be one thing that the political press will following you have to covering you have to adhere to and deal with that but you now have this ability to reach out to people through alternative means by the social media some of these new media platforms that have come up and to talk about other issues you want to talk about. you may be talking about your tax plan at the press event from all the reporters are covering you

in iowa and you have a team of people who are just messaging your climate plan health plan, healthcare plan for the transplant. so so it will be harder for reporters to cover. the the conversations may not be the ones that are happening at the event you are covering that they. >> you have worked with sec. clinton, run against sec. clinton. what would be the key to success for her campaign? >> i we will i we will let secretary clinton announce whether she is running. >> hypothetical. >> i could do that in my last few days. i we will say command generally luck, the look, the success for any democrat running is going to be how you motivate the coalition of voters who came out in

2008 and 2012% home in 2010 in 2014 to make it will be harder and that the pres. be harder and that the president has a visceral connection with those voters but also because is the 3rd time, and so it will require more work, organization and that will be a challenge. i we will be the key to success for any democrat. see how i did that? [laughter] >> you still got it. when he 1st came into the white house and were asked in an interview who was the most powerful white house official who got the least attention, you said jim messina command i think that i think that has been cured. [laughter] april 2013 i asked 2013 i asked that question and you said alyssa. also cured. who is now that person?

>> i would say probably in need of breckenridge who works across the hall from me. it's inside one of the most important jobs. whoever the next one is has to get to know that person. but but she does the president as well as anyone. i've been around a long time used to drive the pres. around in her car in downstate illinois when he was what is running in the senate primary in 2,003. >> this is a question from political magazine. something that you wish you could change about the white house press corps. >> i had an answer for that but that but then i heard april ryan. in charge of the entertainment every year. >> i think that would be a big draw. let's say you got that your next wish? >> i think if -- it's always a tricky question.

we want what every white house wants to have the opportunity to explain our motivations for why the president does things. so often this is endemic a lot press coverage. whenever this group of voters in the state. the overall majority of the time they are doing it because it's the only thing to do. and they're -- i believe wholeheartedly the white house press corps should have very real skepticism. white house's. white house is have learned that over time and they should keep that up, but

there also should be a level -- we have to earn it but a level of trust. the idea is sometimes we make a mistake and it's just a mistake. someone says the wrong thing. they did not read the talking points.of the memo and say the wrong thing. >> a. >> a couple of twitter questions. >> whose idea was it? it was not mine. i believe it was the 1st ladies communication staff. she's very good at social media. >> is another question from twitter. any topics twitter. any topics or issues high on the particle -- particular postpresidential agenda that can be priorities right now? >> i don't think so. the agenda of the president we will have is to think

about what comes next right at the core of the issues. there is not a secret issue that we are waiting for the presidency the end to work on but i think certainly would imagine the economic issues of the ethical. i suspect that the work on my brother's keeper we will remain important to the president long after he leaves. >> the atty. gen. has said that might be his most important legacy. >> it's a very important legacy. >> a mentoring program about giving people confidence. >> and opportunity to set up a series of initiatives were people provide additional opportunities for young men of color around the country something the president takes very personally it was a powerful moment to hear

the president talk to young men of color about his experiences. if you did if you did not hear the president and his interview last week that aired on friday where he had a conversation with the young man who has struggled in his life and then in the criminal justice system but it is trying to make caps off better it's powerful. >> the president also recently did a buzz feed interview that included portion of the affordable care act. act. did you feel like that cross the line. >> buzz feed came to us with a proposal that included a substantive interview in a funny video. >> originally they just one of the substantive interview >> they came with them together. we had a number of conversations with the overtime.

the idea for the video them. this has this has been portrayed by someone suggested. i think it was -- 61 million views. i checked before we came over here. you know, i think as we get knew platforms are knew ways of going about doing things. so buzz feed is a successful platform. they. they get a tough but fair assessment of the president. it has worked for them. other people had other outlooks. these are media companies with different -- they engage there audience.

>> where those really vp vice president biden's shades? >> i have to check on that. i we will tweet out the answer when i get back. >> any regrets about the antics in that video? >> it was fun. people see the president. if you're watching the news to me standing behind a podium in some big fight with republicans. during the campaign people got to see the other side of it's important to have some fun with it. and so i thought it was great. >> the president also recently did fox. did you did you think the questions would be tougher? >> i thought the i thought the questions were plenty tough.

there's never been an interview worth of the questions weren't tough enough, but they had a very specific policy oriented audience and produced content that worked for their audience. the audience. the way they did the video was clever. this is the challenge for a lot of media companies, to develop content that is different that speaks to their audience. they did a good job of that and others are trying to figure that out. >> we have a question. when you and i sat down last year we talked about modernizing the white house briefing, like how it might change. it was something it was something that you had given a lot of thought to commit you can imagine ways that it could change the said they're are some things that only a knew president could do. what would the advice be to your successors?

>> my advice would be to sit down with the white house correspondents association have legitimate conversation about how you can achieve both the equities in the white house and the 1st line association because we get as many complaints in the white house correspondents association for the happy to do the briefing not a good time to make sense. 247 media cycle. this isn't like the old days were they just wake up in the morning, call sources go to the briefing hear briefing here something, put it in the story. now they now they are constantly writing and producing content. you might be able to find ways that made it more suitable to the current media environment in the current work patterns of white house correspondents what the same time preserving what i think is a very important tradition of

having the white house have to answer questions on a regular basis. >> will we will be an example of how you might do that. >> i think joshua would shoot me for saying this but you could do it earlier in the morning. you could do a more -- you could do an earlier morning off-camera gaggle that would serve some purposes people who are writing. there there are a whole host of ways of dealing with it. finding ways to finding ways to take questions people who can't be there. there are a whole host of ways. people smarter than me will figure it out. >> what media outlets would you like to see them? >> well, i think it is really diversified and expanded in terms of

diversity and the whole post of host of ways, but if we can find ways for people to have whether there is a capacity for questions public in some way shape or form, from smaller outlets more of the challenges we have is even though the media landscape is changing newspapers are critically important but the economics of made it such that very few are ever able to come to the briefing. her ways in which you could take questions via the internet or some other way i think that would be good. i don't think it is great that people and a lot of districts are only reading -- they don't get the local spin as much as they should of how these have these policies affect there state.

>> you been involved with the pres.'s messaging president's messaging for a few years. use the violent extremism. i saw paul earlier today from pew that said the majority of iraqi muslims believe in honor killings not to mention the overwhelming majority believe in sharia law and executions. is they're some way between that culture and the violent extremists that are to radicalized segments of the population? >> i did not see that. that. i am notably skeptical. i can't tell you. i can i can just explain or try to explain the president's logic.

it's it's important and i think the bush administration was very good at making this. we're at this. we're at war with terrorists, not as long. the more we allow the very adept propagandists to paint the idea that we are at war with islam hampers our efforts. we try to be specific about who we are at war with and we are not. moderate elements in syria and across the middle east. >> you are someone who was known for doing a lot of reading.

i'm told that after reading about them by george w. bush you even felt a little sympathy. >> i read peter baker's book i think very few people get to experience the same things that we experience every day of the pace in the white house, the fact that you wake up and the entire world as you know what has changed. i felt real sympathy. policies that the bush staffers who are going through a lot of the same things we were going through. these are hard jobs. particles to make. >> and what did you learn?

was surprised you? >> i read it after the end of 2014. things seemed really bad. i read that book and john harris' book right before that. sort of wrapping sort of wrapping my mind around 2nd term presidencies. those guys had some years worse than we did. >> what are you reading at this moment? and a believer. >> how true is it? >> you know it's like i

believe these things. but i think i think it's a very poignantly per me now. put myself back in the place of what it felt like in the campaign and the big huge bed that we made in early 2,007. it's poignant to my great read, and have learned a ton it's a cool book. even if you you're not a huge obama fan it's definitely -- it gives you a good view. >> what is something you we will read for fun now that you are liberated? >> good question. the next book i will read richard price: my favorite authors.

>> one last question. a young person coming to washington. you want to be dan pfeiffer. what do you do? >> a higher than that. in washington on campaigns where you went to school, who you know, your parents no may get you in the door but once you're in the door none of that matters anymore. the person who works largest and smartest succeeds where there is no better example of that than david price came to washington and out of the politics without ever graduated from college and ended up managing successful presidential election of 2008. if you work if you work harder, you no, if you are going to campaign get to work for your boss and leave work after your boss. you you have a real shot at

making it. >> as we say goodbye, you are real georgetown basketball fan. the the ambassador from the united arab emirates is a question. we a question. we have a talented but young team again heavy with good guards but no centers. given the young nature and disadvantage how do you think global fair? >> i think -- [laughter] >> a little baked in. >> i think this is a -- the most athletic georgetown team in a long time and one of the challenges we have had is we have gone up against teams that were more athletic than us. so we have -- this team if the freshman can stay poised we have a chance to make a run. >> who is in your final four? >> as of today is kentucky virginia arizona.

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