an ip address was. it wasn't technical people in the audience. it takes about two seconds. the systems are fundamentally mismatched from a public policy legal perspective, we got nothing on the horizon to third this out. in conversation with tucker carlson, editor in chief of the tree the caller. >> allan ryskind author of "hollywood traitors." thank you for coming on. it is certainly jarring.

blacklisted screenwriters, agents of stalin. >> guest: it is true. stalin, the soviet union was five and 1939 and so have all the people in the united states. each and every one of them i'm talking about where numbers in the united states in the communist party who had to be loyal. that was the only way to get in. if you want the soviet union. when hitler decided to make the alliance with the soviet union not only did stalin switch but so did all the communist party members in the united states in hollywood as well.

they're going to be making an goofy picture by the way. they are going to glorify it this year. there was one of this time period. i went into some detail about how they became for adolf hitler. >> host: that is absolutely remarkable. >> guest: the fourth american writers conference which was held in new york but the point is they had these american writer conferences. i go into detail on the fourth american writers conference and all of these in hollywood for undecided adolf hitler. they didn't say with a view to adolf hitler. they all of hitler's enemies and particularly england. england was considered a pariah country so far as the hollywood left was concerned i got the

fourth american writers congress in august people at dumping on england's saint england. >> host: this is after the nonaggression pact of 1939. by that point it's pretty clear. crystal boxes have been. he started showing aggression towards neighbors and these are people if they read the newspaper every day know that and they are in fact taking hitler's side. guess how many of these people are jewish. john howard walsh was jewish. stalinism comes the 10 commandments. that was the way i view it. the point is they thought when hits are actually made the deal the communists gained a lot. first of all they could get the eastern half.

you could absorb the baltic states. this is all part of the pack. and so the fact is they thought well okay, that's a fairly good deal so far as many people were concerned. but what i did as everyone understands this august 23rd 1989. eight days later she knew stalin is going to support it. that is why he actually made the deal with stalin. he invades poland and takes the western half and england and france said over and over again he would declare war if he invaded because i-8 taken over austria and the rest of

czechoslovakia. so you as foreign minister at the time. if you go into poland now, that is exactly what happened. two days later they did declare war on the next year hitler goes into invades western europe and molotov congratulates him. says this is terrific. >> host: baathist is going on among the soviet entrance and are clearly taken over europe what are their allies? >> guest: that's what i'm saying. there congresses though i've mentioned the second american writers conference, where they had also as a who are from hollywood. it became what i would call a super isolationist type of you. the appointments we can't do anything in order to go after

hitler. that might involve us in a war and now it is fascism to the united states. prior to this their anti-hitler. this is all prior to the pack. >> host: would have been to the hollywood anti-transcended the? >> guest: changed his name. it existed and it is no longer -- everything that the american mobilization committee the league of american writers and all of these groups now have the super isolation point of view and that you can't do anything to irritate hitler. he's not the problem. trumbull basically says in the

remark of andrew. the only reason they switched was because hitler doublecrossed stalin. as soon as hitler doublecrossed stalin and all these hollywood communists and say by the way we now have to even in thing now. >> host: said the invasion of russia takes place. it's a total shock of course. >> guest: over and over again again -- >> host: so that happens. how long before they print it and become pro-war? >> guest: a week. the league of american writers has this hold the against invasion or the united states helping out and would even notice this life-and-death struggle against it there at the

time. june 8th 1941 when the league of american writers folded its tent after three days of bashing glenn. two weeks later something like that forget about what we just said about england. england should get support and aid. it's no longer the imperialists we sat them on. of course russia needs to be held to of course. the way to fight hitler was not a go to war, even though it would have been saved at that point. the reason was hitler went against the soviet union because he basically lost hitler's air force and try to dominate him. the point is they lost all these lands and therefore he said i'm going to invade russia in that.

in other words, forget about england. at that point, england is out of danger, but these people say we now have to decide. if you don't give us your age, you are pro-hitler. >> host: these are people taking their foreign policy cues. >> guest: first of all to be a member of the communist party a lot of people don't understand and the radio talk shows don't understand the communist party. you have to have your allegiance to a foreign government. facing the united states. >> host: wholly controlled by a foreign power. >> guest: actually i go into this about howard agent came to the united states and talk to

the people in hollywood and new york. in fact hollywood was on the side of what turned out to be eric heisler any escapes united dates and was then controlled by the communist party. >> host: at this point there were many on the american left who has an affinity for communism in 1933. but this is much later than not. since after the trials for example. americans understood stalin was a dictator at this point. one of the communists come ahead of the communist party said that the worst mistake the communists made was to ally themselves. >> host: that happens when you

allow yourself. the point is i don't know if hitler -- but the communists have not aligned themselves with hitler. but it then much better. they would have thought he originally were with united press with over 1929, seven years in the soviet union and he went over there any came back and read a book called utopia and outlined all of the soviet crimes. the point is that people know about it. the alliance is very credible

because he was a kurd journalist and all of that. when he said all of these things, people have been listening. he was someone important in changing american opinion on it. so far as they like the soviet idea, they select communism. the american people did my kid. in terms of hollywood i don't know. they probably -- a number of people, no question about it. and that was the major reason. first of all as i said there's a moving coming out.

absolutely talented. but he was a hard-core communists. editor of the screenwriters publication. by 1944, they felt we haven't even gone into this. a prominent screenwriter. all the information coming out now and the communist party really wasn't a threat in hollywood and the people were innocent blacklisted in all of this. the people i'm talking about for hard-core communists and i'm not

saying everybody. the people i'm talking about. you start out as a left-winger. he was born in new york. if you are born in new york. of course in the latter part of his life all conservatives. when he was in a dork when he was growing up in new york -- >> host: what year was the born? >> guest: 1895. anyway my dad also had a number of marks or other plays at the time. he won a pulitzer prize for nine my dad did a couple of them in a

caveman of hollywood he was a left-winger. that is when he came out permanently. it is all in favor of the screenwriters guild. it is basically a product of the left. but he likes the idea in the dying days that it was a good idea. he found that he was never a communists. it is socialist friend, people like that but he goes into the screenwriters guild and they are minority, but they are all communists. and then he talks about this in the little biography. but they're all communists. the fact is he didn't like the way they operate at all. they were all in lockstep. they would try to intimidate the non-communist members of the governing board and they would

use these delaying tactics when [speaking in native tongue] inverter basically and then they have some revolution and these people were just supporting outside the guild running for office and wherever they were for the criminal enterprise in the soviet union did he didn't like that at all. lester cole went and bought him a lot in a couple places time. by 1944 my dad walt disney and sam would it was the famous direct direct the time and also a number of labor union officials felt hollywood was actually controlled. the reason they felt it is a book is that there was dominated. bill trumbull, who i mentioned

was writing the screenwriter. that was the flagship publication of the screenwriters guild. he turned it basically into a communist rag. i had a chapter in my book about the screenwriter and all of that. the communist writers in hollywood and all of that. they damage the reputations of people. you can hear someone talk about how you can have john howard ross head of the communist party of hollywood. that was the kind of stuff that was fair. and then, gordon cons, demand chain editor was our next-door neighbor in beverly hills. my dad would come home from the

studios and they would beat to the other love. my dad had some sort of funny comments when he actually testified in 1947. he said the dogs get along fine. but this will not help neighborly relations. that is what he says and it didn't help neighborly relations. i remember his talking to me about it and that sort of thing. i remember i saw all of that. but my dad had found out about how applies. but anyway they go right next door. >> host: so your father after

the war in 47 was called back to washington to testify quite >> guest: would have been in 47, the house committee on america back to the days and there is a first major hearing in hollywood and people think of them is joe mccarthy, head of the committee. nothing to do with it. he didn't even begin his anti-communist crusade in some 1950. i hate to say it. but even bill o'reilly gets it wrong. but the leftists don't manage to misconstrue was happening all the time. this has nothing to do with joe mccarthy. whether or not i'm asking peoples opinion, but he said he viewed his anti-communist goalie. therefore -- it is they wish. the fact is that what happened

in 47 is that the house committee subpoenaed basically 19 people from hollywood. only 11 testified and 10 became the test. mostly screenwriters. john howard lawson. and those at the top days and asked the question politely. they are free and fair elections in eastern and central europe. the soviet union was our enemy. they declared that these people

asked whether they were members of the communist party. i remember said the party that is loyal to the soviet union in the country wishes to actually destroy the united states. are you a member of that particular group? they said are you a member of the communist party? i'm putting in mind the subtext of that. >> host: to be clear, it is not are you a communist. it is a member of the communist party? suis not about belief. it's about membership. to be a member, you had to be loyal to the soviet union. they actually have a construction if you did for stalin wanted coming right at the party. postcode was administered from abroad? >> guest: well, administer, i don't know -- control. basically controlled by the communist party and he would get

coded messages. i have some of those. postcode but the thought came to light after 91? >> guest: much of this came before it all. that is the thing people don't understand. they all had these wonderful hearing in which they demonstrate all of that. anyways we are back to the fact these people were asked a question. and that is just politely saying well, we are or we are not only don't think that is constitutional. you have no right to ask us. instead, they heard all sorts of vile words i guess you could say

against the people who ask the questions. robert -- anyway. >> they went right back up members of congress. >> when he was the chief investigator, they called him quickly -- that is the kind of thing. and they answered the question but they never answered the question. what happened, even though hollywood. they totally different, parnell thomas and ruthlessly banged his gavel and removing people arbitrarily from the witness chair. he kept asking. please, leave answer the question? he said you have to remove the witness stand.

that's how this came about. so that is actually -- >> host: were they taking a position on orders from sapir ayers? >> guest: they had communists -- not only communists, but he says in his memoir he says that he and trumbull actually chose this idea that they would have the first amendment and they also would not answer the question. he has says that in his memoir. both communists at the time both full-blooded communists at the time. they acted in such a provocative way and people heard them on the radio. we are not tv so much. the fact is the studio, which

thought it would actually hurt the box office. my dad was flooded before he went and said we don't want you going there because we don't want you hurting the industry is saying it's communists infiltrated and things of this sort. but they act in such a provocative manner and not the various numbers for asking, as i said, very calm and judicious manner. the american people were all in the communism. the democratic action at the time. they actually -- you couldn't be long if you're a communist. they said we think, but not these people in hollywood.

they were still on stalin's side. when the act did provocatively, the producers said this is terrible for us. it is going to look as if we are coddling communists. we don't want the american people to think that a madison instituted the blacklist. the studio said if you're a member of the communist party and operate but this committee you can't work in hollywood. that is how the black list began. >> host: when you say hollywood, who made that decision? >> guest: they were at the waldorf astoria and that is that they came out with. even those who didn't want anything, they said look, we have to do this because otherwise the sales will just jump. >> host: meanwhile, the so-called hollywood tend to refuse to cooperate, they went to jail?

>> guest: they went to jeff for contempt of congress. they used the first amendment. but the point is -- >> host: how long did they go quite >> guest: it depends. 11 months, 10 months, something like that. but the point is they keep talking about the first amendment. the fact is the courts have never held you can somehow refuse to answer whether you're part of the party or the clan anything else and you can't say i won't answer the question because i'm pleading the first amendment. the courts have never held that. there is always in some check. >> host: the fifth amendment? >> guest: no. the fifth amendment and because they went to jail for contempt of congress, the courts are the lawyers will use the fifth amendment and then we don't have to testify. yes, you can. but i refuse demands are on the

ground that anything i say may tend to incriminate. that is like testify yourself. that is exactly what happened between the first amendment and fifth amendment. major hearing from hollywood with all sorts of ruckus you had humphrey bogart and lauren bacall led the way with actors and celebrities and came washington that one ticket the activities and they also wanted to support the people and the hostile witnesses that were being questioned. that's when that became a big brouhaha who is not a communist, but somehow had a sauce pot for the communists. i don't know why, but he did. he wasn't a communist himself

and he created the first amendment. they were sponsors of the hollywood celebrity. but the fact is as a result of those hollywood hearings the house committee, the communists lost out. in 1944 left is that congress had controlled in terms of the studio unions and they were cheering out these pro-communists stalinists russia and the way home and with the northstar talking about how wonderful it wants agriculture was. ..

well, that's exactly what those movies did. they're major movies. we were at war with the soviet union but these people went beyond that. mission to moscow that is howard koch, and he did

casablanca, but made sure he put in a little soviet propaganda into the bogart character. your far was favorable witness -- >> oh, absolutely, lot of favorable with asks they were part of the motion picture world. robert taylor my dad ayn rand and she was the famous -- >> host: what i.s. i was interested to read the hollywood ten, went to jail for a time, some of them moved to mexico. a lot of them wrote hollywood movies after those hearings. for decade. your father by contrast never worked in hollywood again, did he? >> guest: no, he didn't. it's a complicated story. i do believe his -- he has done 50 films and movies but i believe it's more complicate

than just he couldn't work in hollywood again, even though that is a certain truth to that. but the fact is -- the reason i say this dish believe his career was hurt by the fact he went before them because -- at least for a while. i think he could have gotten back in. -- i know people who were anticommunist, and don't think shy say these things. the fact is that in my understanding of things first of all he was -- he had a health problem. he had an ulcer. a terrible ulcer and after 47 dish know because it comes back and he was suffering a lot from this health problem. so he really didn't have the energy to do a lot of stuff. and he talks about, even in his book when he was sober and -- >> host: i shot an elephant in my pajamas was the name of the book. a great title. >> guest: part of the marx brothers humor. but anyway, -- we were talking

about -- my father never worked in hollywood again. lloyd boone, a labor union leader and others -- roy told me -- i know lloyd pretty well and as an anticommunist leader in hollywood, and he told me that he had gotten my -- i can't remember the produce over that but my dad could have wherein a bob hope movie and my dad said he just wasn't up to it and he could have done it but just wasn't up to it. i believe health problems were important because a lot of people like adolph and others who were under pressure, they did get back to work in hollywood. they were threatened and all that and it lasted a little while. anyway i guess people who were anticommunist -- but i'm a reporter more than anything else -- and i can't say

something -- >> host: let's get back to the psychology of this. it's so striking that a smart, in some cases very smart very talented dalton trumbell wrote "johnny got his gun" a superior guy some way us how could people like this, self-aware miami, wind up in effect working on behalf of joseph stalin and then by extension, adolph hitler. what would drive them to do something like is that? >> guest: my view is they really did believed in communism. they did believe that -- in my book i point out these people were willing to -- a perfect example, a famous screenwriter, and he did the philadelphia story, and who was that -- katherine hepburn and all that, and he did -- he was a funny guy, came he became a revolutionary socialist, and in -- he headed the league of american writers -- he was

quote, elected in '37-'39 and writes a memoir about that. he was always a revolutionary socialist, and he says the communists controlled -- i was had of it but the communists were in control. hedges that. then he says i believed in the idea there would have to be a revolution in the united states where the have-notes would take from the haves. it was inevitable and that's what has to happen. he agreed with it. my point is they believed that was -- there's no question -- they believed in force and violence and league of american writers was formed in '35, the whole point was to stir up a revolution in the united states. >> host: by revolution you don't mean metaphorically. >> guest: no. the talk about using force and violence. they say it and talk about that, and they say, sharpen your

weapon. congress great -- when the league of american writers wars formed in 1935, you had these congress grad laker to telegrams from the sovietupon and just talk about violence and revolution, they say we want to impose a soviet style government on the united statesment. we believe in revolution. it's all through this, and somewhere i have my -- here's the american writers congress -- this is the international publishers, a communist publishing house, and has the proceedings of what they say. so the point is i'm not making it up. you can go and get this american writers congress of '35 and anybody who wants to can actually look at this document and see that this is exactly what they were proposing. they were proposing violent revolution. they thought that the revolution was about to come and said you can't belong to the league of american -- basically what they said was when they formed the

league of american writers, they said everybody coming has to believe we want a soviet -- that the revolution is inevitable and that we want -- they say that in the cause of the first american writers conference,and we will always defend the sovietupon and form a league of american writers which will be formally associated with the international union of revolutionary writers, which is in moscow and -- >> host: the irony is freedom of expression was completely banned in the soviet union. the soviets fear. so why would writers who livelihood depends upon freedom of expression -- >> guest: i think that nobody understood that because they always use -- the writers always used this idea of freedom of expression because they wanted -- that's the only way they could advance their -- they're in the minority. few people believed in revolution and all the rest but the acknowledge way to

advantages their goal was to make sure that in the united states, -- there was always freedom of expression and so would take control once they take control they ban freedom of expression, and it's very clear that's what way would do. in fact, it's sort of interesting. inquisition in hollywood and they're on the opposite side of me but they did a very good book. they dead an excellent book, and i actually dish give them credit but i took from them in terms of information because they did a very excellent book, even though they're on the left. they said, is it fair to call the writers in hollywood fair to call them stalinists? they didn't mince words. is it fair to call them stalinists, and they talked about all writers. they said, yes, it ills and that they defend evidence everything that stalin ever did, and including his monstrous crime. that's what they say. not just me. i'm writing this but there's

this somehow -- not highlighted the way me book it, but o'point is their summon was favorable to them acknowledges the fact they were stalinists. they believed in it. they believe that actually. >> host: so it was a religious faith in effect. >> guest: yes. here is trouble supporting -- did i mention dish couldn't remember -- but porting north korea, the grand daddy of the plow and kim il-sung of north korea, what dalton trumbell says in the manuscript, which never made it from the screen but got from the wisconsin historical society, unpublished manuscript and dedicated to the hollywood -- and north korea was fighting for its freedom the way we were fighting for our freedom

in 1776. >> host: when its itch avoided south korea. >> guest: yes, basely that's what korea was doing, and he had this horrible -- about somehow we -- the reason we were in the war at all -- first of all, the death of the korean children. even the united nations -- and the point is, all on the side of kim il-sung. he was a dedicated communist no question. if this new book leaves that out -- there's no movie if they leave that out of the movie, that will be a tremendous -- >> host: did any of the hollywood ten ever repent? yes. demetri was a famous writer -- i knew him back in 1997. that ways the 50th anniversary of the hollywood ten and the hollywood put on this big dramatic show about the terrible plight of the hollywood ten. i feel differently about

hollywood. the fact is that i feel differently if they were truly talking about people who had been black lifted unfairly. if they weren't stalinists or weren't members of the fifth column here in the united states, trying to destroy it and impose this sort of lawful symptom upon this country, and they -- they praised the people who were the stalinists. it's beyond my -- >> host: puppets of a foreign government. >> guest: yes, absolutely, and a foreign government that was our enemy. it wasn't like england or they were some -- i feel a little different about it if somehow they were spying for england -- >> host: a totalitarian system. >> guest: but here he is for stalin? alibi for hitler and i will defend that to the death what he said and then here he is for kim il-sung, north korea. this is another little interesting story, is that earl

brown was kicked out of the communist party -- >> host: head of the party. >> guest: head of the party. kicked out on the grounds he was a heretic and believed there could be progressive capitalism and could be peace, peaceful transsignifies to socialism and that -- transition to socialism, and even after the war even after world war ii the united states and sovietupon could -- soviet union could actually be friends for a while, and as result, people believed for a whole variety of reasons statin wanted him out. a big attack against him -- everyone thought that was a signal from stalin so instantly the communist party in the united states goes after broader because he doesn't want -- wants the united states to be cooperating with the sovietupon

after world war ii and they kick him out. in the hollywood ten went against crowder, and trumbell -- i have to -- a big debate -- said i either have to believe lynnin or crowder and i choose to believe lenin. he wanted the united states to be the major enemy. capitalist, enemy of the soviet union. actually a biographer of browder and he had been a member of the politburo in america. he was a good buy agographer and he said that was the first shot fired in the cold war and these guys were all on the side, of cower -- >> host: you have chapter at

kazam. >> guest: i want to mention about dem meet trick -- he went to the anticommunists. he went to roy brewer and ronald reagan and praises. he says i could go to those people. the anticommunists were helping me and in fact when i say people black list, if they only had to do is respent. if you were a communist and you had a card and the house committee found out you were a member of the party and been a long-time member of the party you could get back to work in hollywood easily and they wouldn't say easily but easily. just renounce the communism and the soviet union. and they would say you had to go back and -- which it's true --s and say who your fellow conspirators, but they all got back to work, including dem mitt

tri. and he was praising the enemy. a liberal group says the anti-communists were the ones who befriend those who went before the committee and said they'd been communists and spoke against the communists. they got them back into working hollywood. so the black done lift, the right wing was terrible and all the rest, i don't think that's true. and khazam was one. he had been a communist wouldn't name names but then in -- i forgot the date -- he went before the committee and he -- it was a written testimony. wasn't spoken. it was written. very carefully done and he said look i was a communist. here's what we did and -- i try

to remember more on plays -- i can't remember the name of the group that he longed to. we were communists blah blah blah, and he named eight people. the interesting thing below the naming of the eight people was that he actually -- a couple of them had already died and others he actually went to and he said before he actually testified, he said i'm going to testify and is it -- basically i want you to know ahead of time. and odette said, that's fine. so he did and what really got the communists angry is that he actually took out an ad in "the new york times" and saying do also i do, and the point ills that communist for some reason thought that was the worst thing ever. do as i do. you can name names, it's all right, anticommunism is a good thing. supposed lid his wife had michigan to do with it. barry gordon who led the fight

against elia khazam who got the communist award. they said you can't, he named names and he took out that ad in the "new york times." >> host: tell us what he got the award for. >> guest: lifetime -- >> host: yes but his -- >> guest: on the waterfront -- that was the best thing, on the waterfront. you can probably remember better than i can but he did a ton of stuff, and i'm trying to remember names now, but on the waterfront, he did get a oscar, and so no question about that. and he was a terrific -- everyone understood he was a terrific playwright and a terrific movie writer -- or director. and -- but they wanted to deprive him of the award. so i talked to bernie gordon

about that. i called him on the phone and he led the fight against khazam and can't get this award because he named names. they all named names but they hated him because of the ad in "the new york times." i said that do you have against him? he said that was the major point help took out an ad in the "new york times," not only named names but took out an ad in "new york times" and said it's good to be an anticommunist. that was the major reason. they thought he had been -- all these communists felled they had been betrade. for -- betrayed. he gets to columbia school of journalism and avaski has this book naming names. a very good book. but the point is, his attitude toward everything is that it was terrible. for anybody to name names. i don't think that at all.

i want to know the names of people who were conspirators. we were in a life and death struggle with the soviet union. >> host: and with naz city germany. >> guest: right. i'm talking about this is afterwards and i'm saying we were in the struggle, and surely we have right to know what was going on in hollywood how they got control of the industry by basically -- in 1944 and we have a right to know that. >> host: do you believe that -- you make a pretty persuasive case hollywood was filled with membered of the hard left, and fellow travelers. do you think that had an effect on the product on the art they created and the movies they made? >> guest: absolutely. the point is they had all these -- at least certainly during world war 2 -- even before world war ii, you had blockades, and it was a cry

to -- for the united states to break its neutrality laws and aid the receive yet side in the spanish civil war. the point is -- i point out they leave out all sorts of stuff in the picture that was made. i understand why people would have been -- for the nonfranco side. i think it turned out well that franco actually won but that another thing. i can understand initially you'd say this guy ills getting aid from mussolini and from hitler. this is fascism and we want to fight it. understand that. but the fact it that it was very clear by the time that this movie came out and everything that the soviet union was in control. >> host: wrote an entire book in which he makes the point -- testifieds fascism but i makes the point the soviets were every

bit as brutal. >> guest: absolutely. the point is when this movie came out the fact is it was basically defending -- they had to go through all sorts -- because of the hate code -- but very clear, everybody understood this was -- they had a great enemy. i love the ending henry fonda talking about the bombings great speech. lawson did a great speech on behalf of the soviet side. the point is they used that and they got -- i think it was the new math says look, we have now had -- we texas we have the american people on our side, and the point is we can get rid of the restriction on helping -- because of the neutrality act and all sorts of laws against doing anything because of world

war i. the idea we cooperate help anybody, and they wanted roosevelt to break the neutrality law and positively aid the soviet side, and they did everything they could to do that but they failed. and franco won and i think it worked in our advantage in the long run, especially it would have been terrible after world war ii if the communist controlled as much as they had and spain. that would have been deadly for america. >> host: why is it important to know this? for americans to know this? >> guest: i think it's important just -- first of all, i want them to know history. it should be correct -- straighten out the record and i think it's important because -- but i guess in another way that is my major point. the point is i think if people realize this, they'd have a different perspective on history as well. and they would understand and the way it is today, it's the anticommunists, the how

committee on unamerican activities, robert taylor's name was part of the motion picture alliance. they yanked his name down. on a builting in los angeles and they took his name down because he testified in 1947 against the house committee on american activity. my dad -- burt lancaster takes after my dad. i don't mind him taking after my dad but it's even falsely represented. but -- to me the mouse committee on unamerican activity -- i think it did a marvelous job, both -- they did two major things. one is the 47 hearings, and then they had multiple hearings in the '50s multiple hearings in the '50s and you got a picture -- i rely on that for my book. i look at the hearings. other things i rely on but those

hearings you find out an awful lot about what the communists were up to and i think that's a good thing and i think as a result of that, is a mentioned before, you have here with hollywood producing all the -- as i said in the '40s, 1944 and '45 they were producing all these movie pictures that were saying how wonderful stalin was and the soviet union was, and then the screeniters guild was loaded with communist. after the hearings, though because of what the house committee had done, the exposure of what communists were like, people saw what was going on, the fact is everything changed at least for a while. the screenwriters guild kicked out the communists and other guilds. so that was an important thing. and some of the people you mentioned that went to mexico there was a hard core -- david lange talked about that -- a

hard core -- he was a communist himself. with all the hollywood ten and other people i mentioned, and they -- what they did was they would actually massage scripts and they would -- first of all they would be taught by people who were communist theorists and they would actually have to get their ideology, and then they would actually look at scripts and they would -- they were powerful enough, apparently to change the scripts or massage them in a way to be in accord with the communist party and what it thought during -- that could explain one of the reasons you had these -- >> host: the original posts were correct. >> guest: yes. >> host: so we're amazingly almost out of time. that hour went fast. i'm just interested, as we close up here, your father, at the end of his life, looking back on hollywood, having been right in the middle of this how did he feel about it? bit center still have friends? >> guest: oh, yeah. but the point is friends --

look even talked before the groucho marx. groucho was on the other side. he was good friend of my dad. come over every are every christmas. >> a noncommunist liberal. >> guest: oh yes. george kaufman, a lot of these people were just liberals. i'm not talking about those hard core communists. what i la like -- even with this particular book, i would just like the soft left in hollywood, billy crystal and others, not to keep honoring these people who were enemies, even if they didn't want to blacklisted -- even if they didn't want to be blacklisted, why honor them with first amendment awards. trumbell is a great -- the advertise him for the movie, going to be a big defender of the constitution. that's the way they originally advertised it. that trumbell and bryan cranston breaking bad, he may

be a great actor but the point is he is going to play trumbell and this is the way it's advertised, when i first saw it. they took out some -- then they're going every the anticommunists, the good guy. john wayne. >> host: you have done a lot to correct the record as you see it, and the book is "hollywood traitors. blacklisted screeniters, agents of stalin, allies of hitler." thank you very much. >> every weekend booktv offers programming focused on nonfiction authors and books. keep watching for more here on c-span2. and watch any of our past programs online at booktv.org.

each year the chief of staff of the air force assembles a list of books he recommends for service men and women. here's the 2015 wisconsin too. bin, john ol' sewn explores the lives of 12 men who shaped the history of air combat in, "air commanders" next is" no place to hide" the story of retired air for neurosurgeon warren who spent 120 days working in a tent hospital in iraq. in cyber security and cyber war pw singer and alan freedman trace the development and future implications of cyber warfare. the executive director of the institute for the analysis of global security examines how culture can impact relations between western militaries and their nonwestern allies in "beer, bacon and bullets." also on the 2015 air force