as it was considered to be before now? >> we have to take some chances and i'm not happy at all. we don't have enough munitions. i'm concerned about it and i think i expressed it but the point was we felt the combat expenditure we watched closely how many we is during the year. when i say combat i mean we have enough for what we believe would be the model number. and can we reconstitute the light and we thought we could. we are taking risks. >> that's a good point. you are adding risk by having to do this. you would prefer not to. >> i would prefer not to. i've risk another munitions that is just as bad. it's not a good picture sir. >> senator reid talked about general dunford about the f-35. just to elaborate a little bit more that would actually be replacing the f-18's. is that correct in the eea six b.'s? >> and the aba.

it will replace three aircraft all of which are 23 years old. >> the f-18 sunday 86 b-20 seven. and you have looked at the missions of all of these and you are satisfied that these missions are going to be the mat with this change in getting rid of the older but the f-18 will be capable? >> it's important to point out that this doesn't replace the f-18 aviator b.a. six. it's a transformational capability. he will do everything those three aircraft will do but also in terms of information it will do a significant amount more for the task force. >> you talked about at merck -- admiral greenert you talked about the pilots who have a pilot shortage. you have talked to the air force and the problems they are having right now. are your problem similar to

that? >> what happens is people get deployed. they are flying all the time. in fact they are flying so much working up quickly to go on deployment some of them say i can't get it will done in the mummy come back we shut down. they said around here and they look out at the tarmac and there's a super hornet. they would love to be flying that we don't have the funding to provide that. they say what's with this? it's not what i signed up for. >> that's the same thing general welsh talked about. it's the same situation. tell me if this is true because i remember bringing this up and kind of comparing the cost of replacing some training versus retention. as i understand the 10 years of the retention bonus was around $250,000. that's in the air force. is that comparable to the navy? >> it's comparable. we have the same thing. >> and also the training if you take an f-22 capability is going

to be something like $17 million. up here we look at the economics of this thing and obviously it's far better if we can retain these rather than to go through training. have you thought of anything specifically that would help you in that respect? >> we have yes sir. we want to optimize what we call our training plan. you hit the nail on the head it's getting the flying done more consistently throughout. keep them if you will busy proficient that they feel a part of me have a predictable future out there. instead of the cycling process as they get ready to deploy. >> that's the message i get when i talk to those and we don't desire companies with airlines. in the training it's a supply and demand thing. >> senator excuse me. the consistent budget will really help us be able to do that.

consistency is key. >> absolutely, i understand that. you said general dunford when senator mccain asked to specific question to seven a write-down funding would require new strategy. you answered a couple of questions about some of the specifics but what would an overall new strategy look like? would we talk about? >> senator what i really meant was on a day-to-day basis we wouldn't have the marines forward-deployed to meet the allies strategy and respond to the crisis part of the strategy and then we would have fewer forces that would require to meet a single major contingency. in my mind from a marine corps perspective that does drive the need for new strategy. so it's a capacity issue as well as a readiness issue. >> my time has expired but if you want to expand on that for the record please do because i would be something we would need to be equipped with. >> we will do that sir thank

you. >> thank you all for your service. appreciate very much. i will take a little different twist than this. there's not a person i know in west virginia that's not extremely proud of the military we have and have served with distinction and truly is proud to have the greatest military that history has ever recorded. with that being said this armed services committee at that time we have the joint's chiefs of staff in the admiral mullen was here the question was asked what is the greatest threat to the united states of america and i thought i would hear his depiction of a valuation of around the world terror that we were facing. he didn't even hesitate. he said the financing of our country is the greatest threat we face. we are growing at 18 trillion we are growing another 18 trillion. people back home want us to be responsible and they asked the question and they said you know

we hear that our military are department of defense will spend more than the next seven or eight countries combined. how come we can't do it more efficiently or more effectively? and if money is the problem we have to make sure that we have the money to do it better for using the money wisely? so through peer kermit we are trying to find out why it determines and everyone has a different platform. everything seems to the silo that you will rather than integrated and i don't know if you all have a comment or answer to that but it's hard to go back home and explained. i think the request is under $600 billion this year for fiscal 16. is the request 585? i think just from the navy you have gone from 149 to 161 your request. so they are not going this way and i know you are saying that sequestering kicks in. sequestering has a real honest i

think connotation to it because of the ways administered. if we allowed you all we allowed the well-to-do baby things differently than us intervening in telling you how to do your job that might be a little bit better. i appreciate that too and i know it's hard for you to make those comments mr. secretary. are there ways that we can do it more effectively and efficiently and what can we do to untie your hands to let you do more with maybe a little more challenging financially but be able to have the ability to do more with what you have? >> senator first you are absolutely correct that we as a military have to be efficient, have to be effective, have to use the taxpayers money. efficiently. my father was the cheapest team and that god ever saw fit to put on this earth i think and i am the son. so we have been using the tools

that this committee and this congress has given us things that i talked about, fixed-price contracts and things like that. i will show you a chart. here's what we have to do to buy anything. you can't read it, i can't be there from here. it is spaghetti. its elaborate that you have to go through. you could help us by taking out some of those things, by making us focus on what's important and that the outcome. we are also looking at things like contracts. the navy spends about $40 billion a year in contracts and until a couple of years ago we could not track that money from the time you appropriated operates and appropriated it until it got to the contracted weekend today and today and they are saving today 10% a year so

$4 billion a year on contracts. we are going to do better than that. those are hard things. those are not easy things. the last thing is that there are four parts to the department of defense or five parts. there are the four services the three departments department of navy and air force but there's also the department of defense the defense agencies. that or all overhead and they have grown far far faster. >> one final thing and buy time is quick and i'm so sorry but every time we talk about a lack of resources or money general and admiral both it's always reduction of force in how it's going to affect the people on the frontline. when we look at your staff your staff keeps growing and growing and growing even though you talk about reduction of force.

it doesn't make sense why we go to the frontline immediately and have a reduction of force when the staff has made no sacrifices. >> and may take a shot at that? >> whoever. >> i'm going to defend my two service chiefs here. their staffs have not grown. the uniforms and the civilians in the department of the navy have not grown. in fact from 14 to 16 we had a difference of 10 civilians. we are not growing. in fact the marines are shrinking. the navy is staying steady in the staffs are staying steady or going down. we are doing a 20% reduction in headquarters staff. but again it's what we call the for the state. the department of defense agencies, things like the defense finance and accounting service, things like the defense

logistics agency and their contractors have just grown exponentially. so that's where the growth is coming. i was paid just for the department of the navy, it's not in the department. >> thank you. >> thank you and secretary mabus maybe we will have time to get back to that point but let me go ahead with my plan questions. admiral greenert we sort of decided on this rebalanced asia before the latest provocations from russia, before i says to took over so much territory. if sequestration returns in october what sort of gap will these cuts create between americans asian rebalanced

strategy and already important tasks of deterring aggression in defeating isis and the role amphibious ships will have been executing these missions? >> senator one of the top priorities we have is present so other than funding the strategic deterrent i need to make sure we are present around the world. my point would be we will pursue forward presence. you won't see much reduction. under the budget control act scenario in our forward presence most of the rebalanced of the asia-pacific is what we call forward station our forward-deployed naval force. in japan, and singapore and in guam. those will continue to in fact increase. our distribution around the world is we are increasing the forces in the european command as we look at how we are going to deploy in the future strictly for the reason you stated with

the instability in the africom and the yukon region. it's not dramatic but it is there. he amphibious forces play a very important part and it's what we call the new normal, the ability to respond quickly to counterterrorism, to piracy and support our forces and defend americans abroad especially in our embassies. >> the asia-pacific rebalanced won't take it from sequestration and our european presence will not take a hit from sequestration. those will take place elsewhere? >> those hits at the will will take place in our ability to respond to supplement those forces forward. those forces forward won't be as modern as they need to be. we will have dramatic decreases in modernization. >> general dunford as you know i have been worrying aloud about

afghanistan. general dempsey told ag committee last week there's a terrorist network that stretches from afghanistan to nigeria and we have got to keep pressure on it throughout its entire length. he went on to say i think afghanistan is and will remain in anchor point for that pressure. do you agree with that general dunford? >> senator i do agree with that. think afghanistan is a counterterrorism partner and a platform platform for tonight states can protect its interests in southwest asia is absolutely critical. >> am i right than to worry about the current plans for drawing down in afghanistan to worry that those are based on more of a political calculation rather than the facts on the ground? >> senator my understanding from listening to secretary carter's testimony and general dempsey's testimony and general campbell's testimony has been they are reviewing the current plan in

light of the point you just made. >> i hope we do. last week before the committee pointed out to secretary carter and general dempsey that they are headed in the right direction and afghanistan. i don't hope the american people appreciate that but we have made great gains. president kahaani and chief opposition leader are in a partnership. they want us there as a stabilizing force and i just hope that we are not about to throw away what progress we have made. secretary mavis you and i have been friends for a long time. remarkable testimony actually. very profound statement that you had which of course you have to abridge during your oral remarks. you mentioned what thomas paine said about the cause of america in great measure the cause of all mankind. i almost want to substitute the word cost their.

it seems that it falls on the united states of america. you also correctly say for seven decades the united states navy and marine corps have been the primary protector of this international system. we are doing it for everybody else. there's a sound basis in this proposition that prosperity is directly linked to the united states navy. thank you to our military into her navy. we have kept the sea lanes open you say. we have kept freedom of navigation anybody engaged in peaceful and legitimate trade. as the president said we have been anchor global security. this is for you but also for our friends internationally listening to this. we are going to have to insist on more of a contribution from our international partners. we keep the lanes open for them. our friends in europe our nato friends, our other friends in europe are depending on what

exactly you are talking about and i would just say we are going to have to collectively come up with a plan to convince our partners and international security that it is in their interest too to make the financial sacrifice to help us afford all of this protection that we have in the world. would you like to comment on that mr. secretary? >> first to say we have been friends for longtime and second essay is one of the reasons we are pursuing these partnerships and that's a message that you just gave that i take two countries around the world that we can't do it by ourselves and that they have to do their fair share of any burden. as part of that to be interoperable to exercise with us and make sure we go into things together. one of the things, one of the

tangible things that is happening right now is a french aircraft carrier charles degaulle is in the arabian gulf with strikes against isis. that's the sort of partnership that not only we need but that the world needs. >> thank you and i have gone way over. i hope that i speak for senator corona a ranking member on sea power that you will perhaps give us some language to address the problems he pointed out in that very confusing chart and a fair suggestion to have for ways that we can cut through that red tape and make procurement of important weapons systems a little easier and a little more favorable to our fighting men and women come i hope you will get that to senator hirono. thank you. >> very happy to. thank you sir. >> the senators correct. he is gone way over.

senator donnelly. >> thank you mr. chairman. i have taken warning of that comment that you just made. mr. secretary thank you for your service and i want to tell you and you order now you have great team sitting there with you. general dunford and admiral greenert thank you for being you have done for country appeared we are extraordinary bus to have you in command and we appreciate it. i also want to mention mr. secretary and admiral greenert i want to take a moment to recognize the superior performance of the navy's nuclear forces. it has been exceptional. you have created a culture of outstanding performance and it has not gone unnoticed. as a nation we really feel in your debt for having done all that. now i want to ask you about suicide prevention. it's been such a challenge for our services.

it's been something we have all worked on together and what i want to talk about his physician assistants. they have a great reputation in the mission, great reputation for medical care and the first is to admiral greenert and secretary mabus and i will get to general dunford but to the admiral mr. secretary what are your thoughts about specializing in psychiatric care to fill some of the brighter gaps in d.c.? >> it's an excellent idea. we have looked at things like this. i have to go back and take another round through that but clearly we can use more folks to help us with the resiliency and the psychological arena. >> senator i'm a big fan of physicians assistants and nurse practitioners and people we can get out in bigger numbers to

help with some of this resiliency. as you pointed out suicide is one of the big challenges we face and not just in the military. it's the second leading cause of death. americans 18 to 32 years old. >> is a staggering and scary statistic in general you have done a great job in the expeditionary units. what are your thoughts on the utility of physician assistants also helping in the marine corps was psychiatric care? >> senator thanks. i think my answer would be similar in the sense that i would be -- the resilience of permits and sailors and their mental health. >> thank you mr. secretary as you know ukraine in indiana to work on counter -- counterfeit protection. how bigger threat to see that being? >> it's something we have seen in the past and it could be critical in the future.

it's important for us to stay on top of that because some of the counterfeit parts that we have detected that crane found earlier or critical parts in our submarines for example. you can't take chances on things like that. it's those capabilities that we have absolutely got to keep up and it's part of the acquisition strategy that we have got to have adequate oversight. i will go a little bit further here in that our acquisition workforce the people that crane and the people around the country that oversaw things like this were down pretty considerably. since 2010 we have been rebuilding that workforce to do exactly some of those very specialized skills like that. >> general dunford the marines have played such a strong role in anbar province in iraq over

the years. a lot of extraordinary relations were created between the marines and the sunni tribes and as we take the battle to isil can you give me an update as to what role the marines are playing in terms of trying to cultivate those long-term relationships because they are so critical to our success? >> thank you senator and we do in fact have forces in anbar province today. we have fighting teams with the iraqi seventh division and a marine colonel who is the commander for special task force and focused on supporting general austen's counter isil efforts. in addition to developing those relationships in anbar province we have marines protecting embassy in baghdad and then also we provide the tactical recovery of aircraft and personal mission so we support the strikes both with carriers in the joint force

are correct. we support the strikes to go into iraq and syria with the b-22 b-22 so if something did happen we would be in a position to recover aircraft personnel. >> thank thank you. thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you mr. chairman thank you mr. chairman. gentlemen thank you for your service. i'd like to follow up on what senator inhofe was discussing in particular admiral greenert you are responding to the mission's questions. this would be for both u.n. general dunford. your judgment are your munitions inventory sufficient to support current operations and the defense strategic guidance or plan? are there individuals who ends inventory are present or protected which are insufficient to meet the requirements and if so what are they and what is being done to address the shortfalls? >> for operations today we have sufficient conditions. for operations in the future by

benchmark year our benchmark year is 2020. there are a series of missions where omissions omissions which he outlined a bacardi gave you. they're effectively based on the war plans. we have insufficient finishes in 2020 even in the presence budget they are air-to-air. they are surface to surface cruise missiles. some of our air to ground a senator and half mentioned the joint standoff weapon the j. cell. here are two elements a longer-range and medium-range. both of those have shortfalls and are lightweight torpedo with the shortfall and our heavyweight torpedo at the shortfall. a shortfall is defined as the combatant commander believes they need all of this to when in the model campaign and you have to have enough to reload so you are not just standing around saying we won the war mtv see what i mean so that's kind of the baseline sir.

>> jennifer -- general dunford. >> we have adequate mission for today. we have taken ammunition as we have doubled above it -- budget challenges. they read three major areas we had shortfalls are antitank weapon systems. the other is the artillery system for artillery and a large number of smaller areas and ammunition to those are the main areas and it's been a decision we made as we tried to balance risk. for the marine corps as i mentioned in my opening statement we will always ensure that our units that are forward-deployed have the wherewithal to accomplish the mission. so what we end up doing is taking risk against a major contingency and that's exactly what we have done in the case of ammunition. >> thank you. secretary mabus you pointed out in the program or process the complications and the added cost that come with that.

are there programs that would benefit from cost reduction initiatives such as multiyear procurement or block buys that do not currently have those authorities? if there are would you care to elaborate on them? >> senator thanks to this committee in particular, thanks to congress we have got multiyear authority authority on things like the virginia class submarines where we bought 10 submarines for the price of nine because of that multiyear. we have got a multiyear on the marine osprey b-22's annie kuster medically driven down the cost. we have a multiyear and are pet 51 certain stories which has german down the cost. block buys on combat ships. anytime we can do that we very

much want to and appreciate this committee. expanding those authorities to do that for weapon systems and things like that would certainly be helpful. some of the things as i said my in my opening statement just basic business concepts getting more competition and, doing some of these longer-term things so that industry knows what we are going to buy so they can make the investments upfront in infrastructure and job training so that they can buy things in quantities so we can drive the cost down. the chart i held up just shows some of the steps that we have to go through even if we get a multiyear, even if we get a block by. we have to go through this very convoluted process that really adds no value at the end and it

doesn't give us a better weapon system. >> thank you. mr. chilled -- mr. chairman i will yield back my nine seconds. >> that's very thoughtful. senator blumenthal you have an extra nine seconds. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to begin by thanking all three of you for your extraordinary service to our nation and admiral greenert particularly my personal thanks to you for your numerous visits to connecticut in your strong advocacy of our navy strength particularly when it comes to submarines. i know all of us on this committee and the american people join me in gratitude to you. i want to ask a question about submarines. the virginia model which i think is really critically important

to the virginia class submarines that we are going to be procuring and as you know the virginia module add significantly to the number of tomahawks. i think it's 76%. ..

>> >> and what is the timetable to make that determination? >> to make sure the staff knows how it is coming along. >> keep us informed. >> let me move to any issue that concerns all of you with the impact of

post-traumatic stress for men and women in uniform general i know you have been very cognizant and attentive to this issue. are you satisfied has enough in the way of resources to do with posttraumatic stress and traumatic brain injury that is the cause of not only attractive -- but readiness also suicide. >> we consciously protected those programs as he built the president's budget in 2016 but it goes back some -- back to levels of sequestration and becomes increasingly difficult as we drive down the budget even further. >>. >> that connectivity on

health issues with personnel related issues has been questioned and a challenge in this very room by the virginia officials and other members of the department of defense that is important to disability claims with the health care in virginia. >> that is one of the critical things that is the goal of how long it takes we're doing it faster region

have systems that talk to each other between dod or the day that we are very conscious of. that they both run the same thing just a different times. >> i appreciate your service and will link to your testifying in front of a committee. of light to start with us and general. the of budget we have with the large-scale battles with

a quick reactionary force for the marines. i know they will adapt accordingly but i do worry bowling's zero lots of uncertainty with the initial constraint and we seem to have been caught of guard by the adversaries with stockpiles of weapons we have been using the weapons system for 50 years now. that puts us with the adversaries on the ground. to modernizing our ships or aviation platforms within

the budget is there room to move on its financing individual weapons systems to put this at a technological the vintage over our adversaries? limit that is our greatest concern historically we need to invest a minimum of 11 or 12% into modernization. this year we are at 9% so it is lower than it was historically. i am concerned. today we're doing a pretty good job to reset capabilities to the fight yesterday i am not sure if this is what we need to fight tomorrow but i would say that i agree we could do that but also it is not just though weapon but who is behind that is a was still isn't a fair fight.

reduce the marine behind have been but with those investment that is the sacrifice to make sure that they deploy what they need to take a risk in the capability development. >> exceptional. thank you for pointing that out. to make sure we're treating appropriately with the means to do that. i would love to address both to the general and secretary in the statements we have talked about the total force that is out there not only active duty personnel but the reserve members as operational forces. i would love to hear you of elaborate that they played

for back filling your components. >> i would be remiss if i did not allege it was the 100 anniversary. >> happy anniversary. >> we are unable to function without the navy reserve today. going from those that were a strategic force as the big war but now they do logistics' and with cyberin a huge way into the unmanned remote areas that they are integrating fully in that regard, that our high value units out around the world they build partnership capacity. so other areas they work their way into some there woven into the fiber of who we are today.

>> our ability to beat the combatant commanders requirements and the response is linked to readiness and to be integrated into everything that we do. looking at those requirements we have a fourth generation plan that meets those requirements every day. that is what we've been for the operational reserve to use on a day-to-day basis but for the strategic reserve to the major contingency. >> mr. chairman 54 your service to the admiral with the posture testimony. secretary, i am very

committed to the balance of the asia pacific we had a discussion about that yesterday. it is important the efforts to maintain stability in asia pacific is important to our national security even with conflicts arising in other parts of the world. use a rest have the right platforms in the right places to make sure our friends and allies understand so the rebalance has to be more as we discussed yesterday as the updates of the dispersal plans ensure there will reflect the rebalance with partnership and a look forward to further discussions with year. this budget reflects our continued commitment to the rebalance with specific

specificity. >> i do. the rebalance israel and you can begin to see the things that are already happening. paula deen choose singapore that the ships will not come back home there will fall into the ship's but today you see more than 1,000 marines pulling into austria -- austria than that will go up to your 2500 marines special purpose task force. you are seeing the plans we have to put the ships in the

aircraft in the region and we go from 35% of the fleet to 60% but the important number is the fleet is getting bigger so that 60 percent will be bigger than the free to of the past. in this budget specifically have the resources to carry that out but, but this is the minimum that we have to have to not only do the our rebalance but all the of their mission as we are called upon to do. >> i think i heard your response about your concern about counterfeit cards and you do have a concern about

that? i just want to ask one question? so are you aware of any technological product that could be imbedded to make sure it is not counterfeit? >> senator we're not aware of any specific chip to embed but what i am aware of is quality control folks are exceptionally good to spot the counterfeit. >> i am aware of a particular product are would like to talk to you further in a different context. regarding your energy efforts we do need a sustained long-term commitment for research and development in meeting our

energy security needs view with the force is in the 21st century are important goals purple you highlighted the formal energy goals which includes using energy more efficiently and to diversify forces of power could you give us an update on the form whole energy goals and how does that proposal support these energy goals? >> the biggest goal is no later than 2020 at least half of all energy will come from on fossil fuel sources. to make us better war fighters. and we are saving money by doing a.

it is just a basis from the non fossil fuel for - - sources. isn't to be cost competitive with traditional fuels that seems to be the case even with low oil prices and moving aggressively to do that. recertified all the ships and aircraft. with terms of the efficiencies and with the president's budget to support both with those kinds of the energies and deficiencies. >> i appreciate the indulgence of the chair. i have gone over. >> ceramic base for your of

leadership to the country and our military as an important time. i want to associate myself with some of the comments that senator flynn paul made about the virginia payload module. and in going for word i'd like to see what you come forward with if we could expedite that. i also wanted to follow up in your prepared statement you notice the naval shipyards are critical to maintain war fighter readiness in dire agree with that. in order to have a strong fleet we need to insure the submarines are maintained properly and quickly was combat ready. one thing a wanted to ask is to make sure the facilities are prepared to do that is

the most efficient ways to get things done sooner. to info sharing my fried with the naval shipyard and though workers have actually been producing ahead of schedule most recently as april of last year were 20 days ahead of schedule and in june following the availability they returned the west as california to 14 days ahead of schedule and in september they deliver the springfield ahead of schedule and under budget bringing to the attention of my office that they're doing this that are frankly a outdated working on average

over 100 years old have deteriorated to the part of partial failure so the heat treat area was recently condemned the buildings have exceeded their useful life. the fact we're delivering faster and under budget can you imagine what they read to with more modern facilities? there is a military construction project that is the structural shot consolidation that will address many of the problems that i just talked about it will achieve efficiencies and most importantly save money which in overalls looking forward to your do with submarines being sent back to the fleet more quickly and it will allow them to do an even better job. i'm not expecting you to be familiar with all the

projects offhand but it is important and most important a drive cost efficiencies for the navy and i would like an update where this reprogramming request is. if not that is something you can you submit to our office as quickly as possible. >> i will get it you for the record. >> i also want to ask it in general the importance of the navy's civilian work force in the receiving secretary mabus many of them as the economy improves the competition for the types of skills that work on imported equipment like attack

submarines we will see more competition for their skills and we want to make sure they can serve the navy. talk about the strength of the civilian workforce and water the challenges we face there and any concerns? >> in terms of the public shipyard, if you want to see the effects of sequestration, don't look any further. their bias paul were put in place but they could not be replaced. there was a further blow some were exempt from but not all of them. the government then shut down when they couldn't but then we have a backlog in those public shipyards. they do agree work but they

have to have enough of those people with skills to do it. this is a great because hour with stretches out it will take us through 2018 to recover from that. this is the workforce at large we wouldn't have a fleet 2.0 to sea without those civilians in a real loss 12 at the naval yard so in every way they're integral and a vital part of the navy and marine corps. >> to this morning there is a great article for what they're trying to do for quick hiring we're trying desperately to hire people into the shipyard but it is

hard this sequestration has hurt us in to get through that paperwork to hire someone is difficult to compete. >> they are incredibly talented i have had a chance to meet them. exactly. thank you. >> mr. chair i want to associate my comments i assure your very sad decision last chair but you have the long and distinguished career. your dad should have met mine i remember him standing in front of me looking at his watch watching the time i think they had a spiritual kinship. admiral the arctic is the important area of policy the navy has developed a strategy, just briefly do you see that as an emerging area of strategic importance

to national security importance to this country? >> i do we need to look deliberately that things that we were together almost one year ago to get industry of their mission to find out when will immelt? what are the sea lions a communication that are open and water the territorial disputes, russia is increasing their presence that make sense where the communication is. but how do we survive of there? >> just a simple example about infrastructure with icebreakers we have one heavy-duty or medium duty coast guard but the russian as 17 icebreakers. talk about passage or trade the icebreakers are the highway builders that is an area it is not a naval

question but an example of how we are not adequately developing our strategic interest in that region. again for secretary mabus of the averell it strikes me:issues that isn't talked about we have talked about sequestration that it is as serious risk to national security but the industrial base you cannot turn off and on a shipyard but i've looked at the charts and if we don't have a the workload the employment drops down if a skilled shipbuilder leaves to go to another area of the country or the profession they are gone. you cannot turn it back on the spirit that concerns me every day one of the reasons i said in the opening statement that i will

protect shipbuilding to the maximum possible because it is not reversible. if you don't build the navy's ship you will not is not something you can make up next year primarily because of that industrial base. if you lose the higher the scale workers and their unique skills, they are not easily learned to. in fact from the uss colorado there recognized more than 10 people who were celebrating the 40th anniversary so the industrial base if you lose the high quality shipbuilders you don't get them back.

use the the effects today with the other shipyards and on the fleet than or 15 or 20 years from now and it is something evidently used a term that nobody has used much i will protected until the last dog dies. we will try to stay there for the navy's premier but the long lead time means shortchanging we're doing out will have the effect ted years from now i remember learning in drivers said if you go above a certain speed your headlights will not eliminate the wall in time to stop there is no wall the bear very close to hitting but we just won't know it over 10 years because of the decisions we're making now

because of the shortsightedness of sequester. >> we are living with decisions made a tender 15 years ago with the size of the fleet the people sitting in these chairs 20 years from now will live with the decisions we make today. they're not reversible. [inaudible] q update your prepared testimony with a quotation from theodore roosevelt about the navy as an instrument of peace from that speech he says something that is applicable to the discussion today about readiness, the veteran seamen of the warships that to be found in any in the world unsurpassed with their readiness and thorough knowledge of their profession to do roosevelt 100 years ago, to build the finest show up to float with a rock career in a matter

how brave they are individually would insure disaster if the flow of the average capacity would counter. >> this is the payoff line leaderships' norman can be improvised when the war has begun. general? this is all about readiness and training in of the irresponsibility to not solve this problem to have your men and women ready. >> absolutely that is why you expect from the nation when you call a smear their and as ed mentioned earlier we will respond and that is what it is all about. >> thank you for your service. >> and things to all the witnesses i add my comments to those of the colleagues and we will miss you at these hearings and i

understand you are very helpful and we appreciate that. i cannot resist secretary mabus talking about how cheap your dad was i know about budgets as a managing director of of what firm with lawyers in three countries as mayor, governor , the only governor in the history of my state that left office with a smaller budget than what i started with. because being the worst recession of 75 years sequester violates every principle of budgeting that any competent manager in the public or private sector would follow. period. full stop. sequester violates every principle of budgeting public-private sector would follow. i am proud one of my first votes as a senator was to eliminate the sequester.

i know how to find budgetary savings. but non-strategic across-the-board cuts to be done with a slide rule it is not about the application of human judgment or budgetary philosophy that we will just do this is foolish. have watching us have a significant discussions on this committee we have come to a bipartisan consensus about afghanistan that a calendar based strategy is a bad idea conditions based is a good idea. i just want to analogize that we will either be sequestered to say we're obligated to follow the caps congress put in place before resawed the degree of cyberattacks from northern korea or vladimir putin go into ukraine or before icing

is gobbled up territory are before boko haram was slaughtering thousands will be sequestered based to ignore every bit of reality since august 2011 reconditions based. we have decided with afghanistan should be conditions based in for purposes to fund the military let's not grab on to a bizarre incompetent budgetary theory to elevate over the nation. but remember armed services or any floor activity about budget or appropriations. >> in your written testimony you both talked about something that is important

which is to help your marines and sailors to a transition from active life. but that transition into a civilian work force only 1 percent has served so there's the natural understanding for what they do but they care about that transition which is what the duty generally has woken up to more recently with the events and listed with unemployment rates unacceptably high. you have all come along way and to be intentional with both of your written testimony to talk about efforts underway to how folks get credentials that match work skills to be in a more significant way. the general lowe's klay -- knows two weeks into this he

said my nco is leaving and he doesn't know how to find a job. waiting until there at the end of their time to cram it into their head to transition the last couple weeks will not start on day number one to make it a priority works better in the marines will be ready and i gave you all a lot of credits to make that a priority. the written testimony attributes for that but i am concerned about the stability of the government in bahrain federal the important for our defense but it keeps open sea lanes that allows shipments of oil for the economy. that instability caused is a

concern about the long-term viability but certainly the lives of those but can we have a strategic position in courage to offer some thoughts about the instability issues and what the navy is doing to mitigate those threats if you could? >> i'll take that for the record to give you an answer. >> thank you. >> kelso thank you. for your dissertation on sequestration and a totally agree. thank you. senator? >> secretary averell thanks for years of distinguished

service to our country and all the men and women the ever present brothers and army guy myself. the army stands for aid to ready marines yet. >> shocking revelation. [laughter] led to be on watch always deployed somewhere we're grateful for what you do. speaking it ranks could you give us a truncated version for the procurer plan for the future? >> will rebuild the ship is there 30 years at least to put the integrated

complicated system is unfair inside when you want to change it out he take the ship bottom service between 18 months and two years. we cannot afford to take it out of service. but the industry and technology is moving so fast they can put together a weapons system in modular fashion. the idea is to put together a platform with all the time with the ability to support the upbraids the enterprise was the first aircraft carrier built in 1961 the first mission was the cuban missile crisis the last was 2012 in afghanistan with the most modern systems we had a platform with different payloads it applies to you aircraft.

>> general could you concept how the concept applies to a ground force like the record or the army? >> i am not sure i can answer that. >>. >> because obviously they're bigger platforms for capital investment then you tend to use with the report or the army ground operations. >> but my support for the general ims supportive entity for the marine corps supply build the amphibious ship had passed to expand to bring in the systems as they evolve. it is what i support for the general and we fell behind as marines went ashore in afghanistan, we did not evolve with the ship's now we're making that adjustment

; russell like to associate myself with senator mccain's comments in particular about readiness site incurious about the timeline you think that may be required to get back to fall readiness? to make if we have a predictable stable budget which we believe the president's budget is minimal be booby back in 2018 for carriers breakers and 2024 amphibious groups. >> the timeline is roughly the same between 2018 and 2020 that is dependent on future budgets. >> you cared to comment on status overall of sailors or rains and the sequestration environment? >> when that camera out was

hard it was the hit. they ring career. what is this? what did i do? and now the families are a degree they have gotten over that but they are anxious but routed is good overall. they understand we're looking out for the basic needs when they deploy but there is great anxiety of we go back to that i am not sure what will happen and i lived through this the late '70s and early '80s. >> we have a very young forced to describe that reaction as jinxed. that they are mostly concerned of the mitt grade officers looking into the future with uncertainty making decisions to leave when we want them to stay. >> thank you for your service and all the hard work they represent as well as the family's.

thank you mr. chairman and all for being here. is thank you for your service to the country we will issue but we hope you're back in another capacity. we were discussing before the hearing started i had a great opportunity to embark with few to go out for the day to dive with the suffering it was really an experience of a lifetime and i very much appreciated that and i was especially impressed by the dedication and professionalism of the men serving of that submarine as all of them and also by the teamwork that

they pointed out italy runs if everybody works together the cook knew as much about how was laid out with the operations as the operations room so a was very impressive. for one of the things that became clearer with their experience was that while the general could appreciate this will lot of the discussion was about the toll that has been taken on the fighting men and women and one of the things that was clear yesterday not that they complained but with the reduction of the ships and their capacity has on the

men and women that served because those supplements increased in a way that is less clear'' in the toll that it takes. i wonder if you would speak to that shortfall in that capacity the impact on the men and women serving on the ships? >> you explained it very well senator. there is the commitment or a covenant for ready forces for where it matters or when it matters to have less ships to redistribute there will stay out there longer. we have a phenomenon trying to do get out of when we have sequestration of maintenance slows down for a

period of rest and we're trying to get that back up many left as a result of sequestration. that launder deployment waiting for those others to receive them that hurts and it takes a while. >> is in the year of the '90s we had 400 ship navy today it is a little less so you explained it very well. the sailors are staying for a longer road we have worked on is to make those appointments more predictable but also the training, the maintenance and the surge capability

when they come back calling it the response plan recall of for the carrier's first but it is trying to do that but lastly it is one of the reasons why remain is so committed to ship building to get the right number celebrity if some of the stress on the sailors. >> one of the things i neglected to say is uss new hampshire that one of the things it is exciting to hear from those on the ship is that they always feel very good because they do such a of a great job so i had to put in the plug for the shipyard because they do

such great work. i am out of time but if i could ask one more question? thank you. secretary mabus the september the department of energy awarded contracts to three companies to construct to produce fuels to meet transportation needs can you speak to why that is important for the navy? >> it is important because it makes us better war fighters into takes fuel as a weapon to be used against us just look at the headlines from the ukraine or europe or russia using it as a weapon we try to avoid that. also the huge price swings

and i am a big believer of the free-market i believed renewed competition. we will not buy any alternative fuel unless it is price competitive with traditional fuels the other two requirements that it is a drop in we will the changes -- injuns but it takes to land from food production looking executive third generation of mobile field production. >> thank you. >> thank you for your service. what is morale like in the marine corps? directed is high. >> should be. i want to tell the marines in the navy better-- are coming to the families who would get our act together

and not sure exactly how but we will. the lot leave you hanging partake modernization of the table so you cannot fight the next war in somehow we will solve the problem so hang in there and keep your chin up to focus on the mission. to believe the residual force of to leave behind if conditions require? >> i do. >> from enable prospective admiral to believe the threats are growing as they speak? >> i do. >> do believe there is more capabilities with more desire to attack the homeland since the 11? >> i do. >> i do. >> when it comes to iraq in

syria led to agree if we take on isil we must win? and i guess senator. >> the first battle of fallujah was too rigid mitt combat teams to the order of 6,000 the second battle was about 14,000. >> to you agree that it would have been difficult for those soon the tribes to take over at the time. >> so we're about to fight a bigger force in town and members of our military to rehab today? >> i know knows the exact numbers but it is about 3,000. with 500 marines.

>> do you agree that's isil represents a threat to west not just the region? >> some anybody thinks defeating or destroying isil is their problem not ours is making a huge mistake? >> directory. >> do you agree it is in our national security interest to make sure not only that they are destroyed and don't come back? >> dire greece to make you agree with me that the best way is to have some american forces to help the regional forces? for iraq senator right now i think it is critical we provide support and we're waiting for the recommendation right now what that would be. >> doesn't that guarantee the highest is of success to have capability on the ground to enhance the regional partners?

>> absolutely. >> you agree and the marine or soldier or sailor or airman participating would be for texting their homeland? >> yes. >> somebody died trying to do with isil in iraq or syria they die of product -- behalf of protecting their nation? eric with our national interest. >> to agree if we don't stop isil sooner rather than elevator the likelihood of another attack in this country grows? >> it does the also if we don't stop them there is destabilization in the region as well to our national interest. >> to worry the they are not slow down quickly? >> i do. >> i do. >> to both the view in those who served under you, i am sorry that some of you may

have to go back. morsi you'll ever know. but i do thank you know better than anyone else why you have to go back. the only commitment i will make as a senator from south carolina is if you go back, you go back to win and we get a right this time. thank you for your service. >> thanks for being here. sometimes i neglect to say how much respect i have for all of you i am so busy getting after something that i forget to tell you so let me do that before i get after something. had a role -- admiral i am dismayed about the scandal scandal, i am dismayed because the rips at the fabric of wander in and

integrity that defines our military and one of the things i have tried to do since i was allowed to join in this committee is make sure we have those moments that consequences go to the very top instead of hanging out at the middle or the bottom. and there is a scandal like this so what i would like is secretary mabus to speak to the accountability of those at the top of the chain of command for the conduct that occurred on their watch. >> bill leonard francis scandal? >> corrects. >> we will hold people accountable that violated lot or naval ethics and i

have already issued the letters of censure cheers three admirals, one is a three-star at what -- the other to star generals and to have already decided to retire. but one thing is if this was uncovered that we set up financial tripwires so red flags were raised in it was investigated three years with no leaks. during that investigation we found the and cis agent was furnishing mr. francis with information and gave him

false information and a lead to him believing the investigation was shut down and then to rest him on american soil, he has implicated a number of naval personnel but on the timetable of the u.s. attorney's office in san diego how quickly we get to these is the frustration. it has taken a long time but i have said that the consolidated disposition authority so to be criminally not liable virginia take a look to see if they violate navy ethics. we are stepping up ethics trading for those in areas

of responsibility we have completely overhauled the procurement requirements and regulations for those that they provided we watched that on a routine basis. >> what i want to say is you can have all the ethics training in the world. but if they don't know what is wrong to take a bribe will we have to do is set up the system to catch them to hold them accountable and you are right that those first actions we all reject the action to sensor's three admirals i turned to war for access classified

information based on allegations. but in order to protect the interests -- a tight re. when we make a change in command or do something with a figure officer or a flag officer we announce it and tried to be completely open partly with what though burning effect on other people because people need to know what is happening. we have not seen the numbers go up but because we announced it we get more scrutiny. >> i appreciate the you have done this and i wanted you to know i am very interested

how this shakes out if there is anything i can do to prod the u.s. attorney to bring justice and in most time sensitive way let me know. i want to ask a couple of questions they you can respond on the record at a later date because it not want to hold up the senator from alaska. but one is the electronic capability platform you testified last week i know about the shortage for the squadron's i am very concerned about that. is there not build in st. louis because of the capability of the electronic battlefield that we face a lot like you to respond to. i am worried the joint study will not be completed in time to evaluate even to

exceed what you have said in terms of a shortfall and also in of date on how realigning want is going abcoulomb. venison they were used to talk about a lot. if you could get to the committee specifically to might office where we are with the realignment of guam and the situation. >> we would get that information to your. >> but whatever every other senators said about sequestration, me to. >> thank you. senator i may get a highlight of your question as one of my first questions i appreciate your service in

your frank testimony with the worst fighting capabilities think it is important for the american people to understand in recognizing want to follow-up on the general questions from the senator. on the redeployment the dividend into asia and particular as part of the oversight responsibility i will head to a the region to lookit the issues of cost or training or deployment as it relates but also other issues. general, what are the issues we should think of when we

look at that? are you satisfied haori deployment is going? you probably know there is some concerns over the years >> it is clearly one of the more important issues we're grappling with maybe breaking into three pieces the first is capacity. 22200500 west of the dateline as we drive down the forces we have reconstituted the deployment program to get those numbers back to what they ought to be. the second piece is jury foster relieving the pressure to build up the forces then there are several pieces and then some

will eventually go to hawaii. we're just getting started there is the training range in guam we will bring 5,000 forces the fed we rotate this spring the plan was to bring the number up the with the issues that you should be concerned about one is a replacement facility because that is critical to have that facility then make the of the deployment as well. to support each end with those stage today requirements. >> so by moving to australia and guam we get better coverage on a day-to-day basis but then with the

conflict on their crimean peninsula what we're working on is the addition that is required so with is enabling the capability the first is amphibious for training and purposes for facilities in the life support over time but we are a lot further out touching this the last 10 years now we finally start to pour concrete to move forward with a plan so i feel much better than i have been recent years. >> follow-up with another question in terms of the arctic we have a duty 13 page strategy yet looked at the russians it is quite

impressive actually disturbing. you gentlemen are familiar but general dennis he mentioned in testimony last week there looking at combat brigades as pulling them out of the arctic to billhooks new airfields' in six new icebreakers in five or are planned to add to the fleet of 40. so does that concern you talking about keeping the

sea lanes open? so with those icebreakers to be remotely competitive with the russians in the arctic and it is not 13 pages of paper it is airfields' from alaska and i feel we're number five or number six in the world with the icebreakers it seems ludicrous of what they should be concerned about. >> with the purview the department of homeland security is so if we split that with the strategy like

somebody has to be in charge said reside with the parliament of homeland security. yes i am concerned because we have to work in conjunction to make sure we can get up there as well.

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>> senators, the congress, governor patrick and all the members of the brooke family good morning.

it is a privilege to share some thoughts about ed brooke. finback half a century imagine a room in the 1960's where all the politicians are gathered kennedy kennedy, mccormick, o'neill kennedy, mccormick, o'neill, brooke and among them is one figure stands as the courageous representative of the embattled minority, ed brooke alone and undaunted the episcopalian. [laughter] imagines in another room in the chamber in the united states senate surely after january 10, 1967 a man of consonant dignity strides down the center aisle

legislators applauded the gallery cheers. the first african-american and popularly elected takes his seat. in that moment brooke was not just a pioneer but the advanced scout probing the soul of our country. 26 years would pass before second african-american would be elected. imagine a young man raised in washington joining the army immediately after college in pearl harbor the leader deploying to italy as part of a segregated infantry battalion. they're lieutenant brooke watched as his buddies were sent to attack a fortified position. the young soldiers became convinced the and then

reused as cannon fodder by racist commanders. he proposed shift of tactics of operations later in the day when the enemy would be sleeping and the answer came back the colonel would never send the boy to do a man's job. the operation that he organized finally went ahead to catch the enemy by surprise dragging them from the mountain. the the giants suffered 1,300 calories but won 27 medals won was a bronze star for brooke his reward was to be dismantled and personal scattered to places where neither had sit at a lunch counter. that is where we were back then.

we must never forget as patent but those to join a gym to fight fascism for part of the greatest generation and we owe them and in calculable debt. this was just the beginning of the bedrocks journey. tool is beyond the edge championing of the women's right to choose to take on the tobacco industry when smoking was considered to be cool. the program to help minority business people create jobs and guaranteeing women equal access to credit to offer an amendment to this day enables tens of thousands of people each year to qualify for public housing thereby escape shelters or the streets brooke would steer

by his own compass he had a sense of direction that clearly was defined in the chaos of war. of president nixon announced to come up with the nominee and i am not making this up up, the mediocrity of representation brooke looked at though leadership to say no. and did the same with two other nominees. he also deferred to be right at of the vietnam war and voting to end it deposition that mattered to constituents and when ideologues try to get civil rights and voting rights brooke was an estimative -- instrumental for those

liberties that took a century to secure rest never again be denied. but as obama reminded us so clearly it reminds as timely now as ever. for all of his career as attorney general to be relentless on cracking down on corruption with massachusetts in the early '60s provided a target rich environment. the electoral triumphs were astonishing in the state that is only 2 percent black where school desegregation at the time was the explosive issue in the face of prejudice to be ugly with anchor or code words he narrowly lost but his

opponent claimed it to see no hidden message for campaign bumper stickers that simply read vote white. repeatedly brooke was urged by the political establishment not to run for higher office but instead by his time until massachusetts was quote-unquote ready. in 1962 when he ran up against his former opponent. . .