>> you know with this show, it is a for office, it is not for other users. and it gives them a chance to answer it the greatest of all look store questions, what is your book about. >> my book is about something that i co-authored with a friend and lawyer. i've done research but i'm not a meticulous researcher. the book is about why we should not legalize marijuana and we wrote it in regards to a train coming down the track, legalization. the general wreck-the general realization of use. and it may be even more dramatic than the shift in public

opinion. the shift to the favorable side. twenty years, 15 or 20 years from now, maybe 20% of the people in favor of legalization, now at something like 50%. given the evidence we haven't written why this is a bad idea. but the other thing is, and this is relevant, that as public opinion has softened on the subject of marijuana maybe 60% of people in favor, the scientific evidence is overwhelming against it. eighty-nine, 90 we didn't have these research studies done. but now it is overwhelming with what the harm is that marijuana does and i have to believe and i want to believe that the american people are not informed of these facts so that they can make a second judgment on this

wiki informed decision. taking it to the end of the story that i think in colorado, that they will reconsider at the end of the day as they try to put this genie back in the bottle. because they are starting to see results. >> i have a couple of questions about this. who is your intended audience? is it policymakers? is it voters? it's clearly not libertarians. but who are you aiming the fact? >> that's a great question and it's for the public policymakers and so it's both when i lived in colorado we did a big public forum in denver and they say that these potheads force this on them. but it wasn't forced on anyone. it was decided by people in

suits, if you will. but no, this is decided by well-meaning public servants and some people who were enthralled with financial interests and others who just generally believe that this is a good thing to do. but it wasn't some takeover. that it was something done by citizens in this process. >> host: your rendition, first of all, let me ask why do you think that public attitudes now have changed so dramatically? >> guest: several things. first it a very smart and well-financed campaign for marijuana. there is big money to be made. we can read a lot of stories about how this was reinvestment of the year last year. a great growth. more and more big money is in

it. and people are way outspent as they always do. in florida they are barely escaping legalization. they had to get a 60% vote. the opponents of legalization or outspent three to one. one of the people that contributed significantly against legalization was sheldon adelson. so if you're outspending him, you outspending a lot of people. in one state. so the second thing is that when i called it rosy colored memories [inaudible] it's always better to remember it in the rosy colored state. if we try going through it again it won't be so rosy. people knew and they knew lots of people who had smoked

marijuana, no big deal and third. a campaign in classic terms using medical marijuana, a person that can't get relief in any other way. so medical marijuana is a wedge. giving people the chance to feel better and it's the only thing that they think will make them feel better better than cocaine for example. there was a great athlete who was struck down and he was a superb physical specimen. and it happens [inaudible]

>> cocaine takes you to your knees. this stuff does not take you to your knees, it kind of lose you in a very different way. so this argument, it seems that it obtains the american people with as the sympathies. what kind of people can you be to deny someone us. so the initial permits and permission slips were about 5000. and then they said it multiplied most of the people getting it were males between the ages of 18 years old and 25 years old and this was a ruse. but it gave a way and a wedge to get it through. one of the heads of the

legalization groups says go this way and once we get that we will have so many people that will be able to get this going. >> one of my favorite quotes is the example is the school of mankind and he will learn like no other. and so there are two questions related that. first of all you said yourself that you think colorado is going to change its mind in this way. isn't that actually a very useful example and the whole point of federalism that we are going to get to. it's a loaded one. and second of all if the problems with marijuana in what you say they are and i will say this that i found this book very

persuasive we're going to challenge you on these aspects of it. but as a parent more than ever i would want my kids and the kids i care about to stay away from marijuana and how we extrapolate from that therein lies the debate. but if it is as bad as you say i tend to agree with you on it why would attitudes change in the favor reign you would think that millions of people living their lives smoking marijuana, serving as examples to others an example to themselves, many people stopped smoking marijuana, they do it for a little while and then they stop. why would public sentiment move so much in contrast or in opposition to this on the ground? >> i think a lot of this on the ground has become reality. it takes time. it doesn't knock you to your knees. when you lose these iq points,

which is what you lose if you start is a teenager and to do it for 10 or 15 years it's 10 or 15 years. as you start as a teenager, 17% of teenagers will become addicted. but addicted doesn't mean next want or next month or next year. the other thing is there's a funny way in which people who have marijuana problems tend to disappear. the kind of disappear in the woodwork and kind of fade out. they do not and out in crack houses or beating their wives, they do not end up strangling their children having this crazy coke drama. and you know, i ended up reading a book about this life. the woman who was the star everything is interesting and the woman who was the star in the blair witch project after

her career in those movies, she became a hot -- she became a pot life. i remember some of the graduates and they just kind of faded away, they didn't reach their potential, they didn't reach what they should have been but the point you raised is an interesting one. people say why we let a state do this and i said i'm not going to lie, i'm not going to let people suffer for the sake of proving my point. it's like a hundred thousand kids not doing their homework let's see if they get stupid or not. but now yes.

there is a great opportunity for learning here and we want to play close attention and so let's go to colorado and take a close look every six months or a year. let's count all the numbers. >> absolutely okay so you open an introduction of the book. and you open with a hypothetical about tobacco. so why don't you make a comparison about tobacco. >> i am not entirely sure that i agree with my own hypothetical. but i think that it is a good thought. if you could start this thing over again we are pretty close on tobacco. we really made it a kind of mortal sin in public and people are shunned from smoking and so on.

none of that seems to prove true with everything. but i'm told that in boulder, colorado, there is a place where no smoking is allowed. i can see it. it's kind of making cultural sense to some people. and if it or within our power, we could legislate the issue which is where we are state-by-state. would we have decided against it. and we are so embedded in our culture, but very harmful as cigarette smoking is. it seems to me the same society tries to prevent serious harm when it can and when it's possible to do so. as we have done this with tobacco not bite outlawing it. although i don't think it's beyond the realm of someone

trying to do this. but by having this seriousness about tobacco. but we are at issue. we can make a decision about whether we want to have this thing were generally diffused throughout society. and i have to admit at the outset, i do not buy that. personally i would not go to the polls and vote to ban tobacco if i had that opportunity. nor would i ban alcohol. i like alcohol. and so getting to the issue. >> guest: but the point is in saying that we were, what kinds of factors are we taking into consideration if we did. and hal embedded in this practice is the culture and what

reasons can we give historically and culturally and then applying the same analysis. >> what i am trying to get out is that there is a certain prosecutorial brief to the book. so in my part as a parent i am with you for the most part. but in terms of public policy there is a certain amount of let's not leave any argument out today. >> guest: sure. >> host: i was really intrigued as someone that loves the idea of federalism. i would talk to college students about federalism. i think it is the greatest sum ever conceived to maximize human happiness. and at one point we seem to

throw the baby out with the bathwater of federalism. that we can have something like marijuana and we project the argument for marijuana. and i wonder whether or not the people will make mistakes. to say that not one it comes to marijuana and even doing something that i resorted shocked by you invoke and i can't find it but i will find it, in a saying that -- that people who most often point out and make arguments in this way and what not. i agree there was a time when most people could do more wickets. do you have any reluctance about

this even when you think that people and communities are making a mistake? >> guest: i'm a fan of federalism i'm not sure that i am as big as you are. but i do believe in federal law and the two conflict. i will not be accused of begging the question. but let's remind people that it is federal law. it has been passed and the use of marijuana is against federal law. the obama administration has decided to weaken. and maybe someone could argue that we should let states decide it. but as it stands, this is another case of this administration going pell-mell against the established law. >> can you explain what the obama administration has done? >> what it has done is wait essentially. saying that we are not going to

enforce federal laws. it is a class one substance. it is against the law to sell it or use it. and the d.a. has been told to lay off. i do not think that that is a wise way to execute the laws which the president has sworn to do. if people do not like federal law, then let the states do whatever they want. i think it would come out in this way. but talking to people, this is not a republican or democrat. you saw debbie wasserman schultz after she opposed the initiative, and meanwhile some other folks want to go bronco on it.

>> and that would be rand paul who will be out there. but if we could talk about this. >> absolutely. >> the other part of the beginning of the book it seems to me that is the harm of marijuana. we indeed reprint the entire article from the new england journal of medicine which summarizes the research done at 20 to 30 major universities and the harms are considerable. paranoia schizophrenia loss of iq loss of motivation. all sorts of problems. i didn't have this evidence. but now this evidence is amply available. and if i could design a drug

that is harmful and distracting for a student, it would be marijuana because of focus memory, attention and motivation. and in some ways enough to close the case, it seems to me. i will admit that i have never taken off the hat of education. and to say let's have more of this, we are talking about kids playing football, we are talking about, you know, alcoholism and all sorts of ways to protect your brain. and here we have this overwhelming evidence that it's harmful to all grades and particularly the developing brain and we want to make this available. >> returned to that theme often. and i think it's really valid and on point and his skewering

of the cultural hypocrisy that is going on. there is a website that has a few things. >> guest: the president had seen it. >> host: yes, it has a piece that talks about why we should treat sugar is a controlled substance. it's addictive, bad for you ubiquitous and they go through all of this stuff. on paper it goes back and forth between being persuasive. because we are not going to ban sugar. but if you come from a mindset and bill buckley had a great line about this. he said libertarians want to privatize and he thought that was crazy. but he said the great thing about our country that is debating whether to privatize lighthouses isn't were to

socialize. and so i think that the point you make in the book over and over is a very valid one. we are constantly in this hyper paranoid state about safety and health, treating our bodies like temples. ending this in regulating that. and then somehow it has just pointed these immunities. it's a very strange thing and a very good point that you make. >> lot of things get turned upside down. that is just one of them. all of a sudden that is thrown out the window. >> so when you talk to audiences and you make that point that is the question that i was getting at. as a conservative with strong libertarian leanings my energies about saying that other

stuff is ridiculous. that obamacare is getting deeper into our lives. you make this point about how obamacare does this but it excludes marijuana. what is wrong with getting rid of this stuff all around and it is making it what the people have the right to do. >> i believe that it is too costly because there is a difference between getting fat and being dumb and maybe this is a psychological answer in part. the harm is so real. it is so clear and definite and obvious that it just seems to me to be extremely dumb to let this loose in the land. in any case, let's have an informed debate so that people know that we are not dealing with a substance that is innocent. you're sort of in the position of the book of the doctor.

>> you know, he did surgeries on our guys in iraq. and for that he was heroic. he said that i will not let my kids anywhere near this because it is a public policy matter. his reward is that he has had a couple of things named after him. [inaudible] >> okay so again getting back to this. have you seen this as a matter of debate, any movement on that? is there any sign that we see on the horizon of them saying maybe pot is not good for you?

>> bloomberg seems to agree with me though i don't agree with him on other things. i think part of the plausibility is saying that we are going to look at these things and decide. but we made this decision as a society already. people want to undo that and that is through the changes of federal law and it is interesting. oklahoma and nebraska are suing colorado on this issue. they are saying that they are in violation of the federal law in the situation. and that is the harm that is being done in one of the arguments would be contained and the mexicans by the way though we can take pride in ingenuity

that the marijuana grown in california is more powerful. and i remember when my brother told me about one of his clients and the judge said this is the worst kind of thing. and it's like, the worst? and i have used to take great pride. >> that's right. i was regarded as the third most repressive person when i was only 30 years old. >> that is a goal for me. eighty-one day i can attain

that. >> saying something just because it is important. the active ingredient that gets you high thc. the 60s and 70s averaged about 3%. and i just looked at what a friend sent me this weekend, 30.5%, some of it is 45%. so talking about drinking a glass of beer and then a glass of vodka. maureen dowd famously went to colorado to experiment and she took two or three bites of a candy bar and she says that she curled up like she had died. and on the candy is a whole thing. and by the way the candy kicks

in longer. so it's much more insidious. and she thought that she had died because of this content. we are better at this. it's american ingenuity. just like what was his name in breaking bad. >> walter wright was very good at it. and so we are good at it. that is starting to show up in emergencies. that is starting to show up as well. they will tell you how this is going. >> picking up a little bit on that. obviously he is not huge big fan of this book. but he makes a point of the comparison of a glass of beer to

vodka misses the fact that very few people drink a glass of vodka. that we can recognize the different potencies between hard liquor and beer. and presumably people will and what will happen and i'm playing a little bit of devil's advocate enough people die or bad things happen and the lesson is learned but the more potent stuff you have to treat differently than less potent stuff. there are other lessons that can be learned fairly quick read. so certainly we do not say that we can't trust people to drink and we can't have vodka on the market because they might confuse the alcohol content with the content of beer.

>> lots of generations have learned the lesson perhaps individually about binge drinking. but it doesn't seem to carry on to the next generation. they continue to do it when people have taken this and they will just submit like scotch. all you have to do is talk about this. so you have to really take a poll on this. >> remember this and i remember talking to people in new york and boston because i was curious about where they were pushing this and they said we have tons to share now with all of our friends. and it just isn't true it's

false. that is why you are seeing more of the emergency rooms. >> culturally what do you think happens to a country that goes down the path. we were pushing against it in your book. >> i worry about it because i was interested to see governor hickenlooper talk about this decision and now he has been all over the map in this character could not keep shape no matter what his position was. he was never comfortable as soon as he was challenged. and so it is an idea. jerry brown i thought, said something.

>> debbie wasserman schultz, and others. and it is an odd situation on all sides. but where was i? i'm sorry, i lost my place. >> jerry brown. >> jerry brown said that i am not in favor of it. we have some big challenges here in this country. we have some challenges in california. i don't think that we can meet them if a quarter of the population is buzz. and the average across the country 12 years and older about seven people 12% and older

smoke marijuana and now in colorado it is 13. and so i think it will continue to go up. that is a big jump and that's a lot of people in the big jump of america. second, when you have something like legalization and mark is not a my side on this. he is the academic expert and the legal drug czar in the state of washington says that when you legalize you will see four to six times as much stuff consumed. not 46 times as many people, but four to six times as much consumed. here the user imitates and apes the alcoholic. so 10% of people consume 50% of the alcohol.

20% of people who drink it consume 80 or 90% of the alcohol and once what you have here is weekly users have now become daily users. and you can write a lot of them off. the other broader cultural aspect every time i bring this up again a call about a mechanical engineer, i smoke this many times a week. but for most of us not on the seine or that and of the bell curve it's going to affect. the other side of this is the problems that we do face to require our attention and focus and they require us to tune in and as i was saying it doesn't

knock you out there than they need more and more to keep you high. and what it does is distracts and slowly takes you away from your duties and responsibilities and closes with what i think is one of them from the winner. it's about a woman who is a pothead. and he doesn't beat the children or get into a head-on collision but she talks about how many times she forgot. how many mass upson scrubs and how many times he ran the car into the curb how many times you have things that you just forgot to do and she wonders what life would be like had that person not been a pothead. the immediate fatality maybe not, but i know a lot of people that smoke and i was in and

around the university. you know, it was progress and an opportunity of what it could've been. and it just kind of veered off. >> it saps your motivation and are focusing your attention and your energy. >> i agree with that. i have known people on all ends who are very productive members of society that smoke pot. and i know people that could have been effective members of society that haven't smoked pot. and that is sort of the problem with this is that everyone can pick their anecdote. people tend to think about this. but i didn't want to get too deep on the science. but you have to admit that

they're competing studies on all of this. >> new england journal of medicine is the most prestigious journal in the world and these are not right wing individuals at harvard medical school. assuming all of it is true and there is no case for marijuana. there are some studies that the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence. >> let's get back. >> this is an anecdote and

mostly sometimes she says why are you letting your child do this. and they say that it is legal. and that is why when people say that they are part of this most people tend to avoid it. so it is important to have the law there not just because it's dangerous but because it sends a signal that most people observed. >> i am very torn on this. i was amazed and i think the first time it happened i was speaking at a college campus and i was having beers with kids afterwards at a fraternity or someplace. one of the kids was not drinking and i asked him why. and eventually after little

cross examination i found out that he wasn't drinking because it was against the law and it wasn't something he wanted on his record. so that was very weird. but it was also very eye-opening. since then i found that in many places. and it's absolutely true that they care about that kind of stuff. a lot of ambitious probably aren't going to be smoking like this. this gets to my point about the anecdote. you have a section where the fda takes some drugs off the market, two or 3%. and i think sometimes the fda is mad about that kind of stuff. and he told me that there was a 97% chance that my loved ones would react to some drug and it

could cure or help them in some way but there's a 3% chance that they die, i want to know what my alternatives are and all the rest. but at the end of the day i wouldn't want the fda to decide whether or not my loved one or i could take that job. so it's not quite the same thing because marijuana doesn't cure any diseases. and what is the logical process by which someone makes this decision? >> it is all the factors that you said. [inaudible] i was on a drug and they took it off the market and i think the number was 3%. and as you correctly noted there were other drugs available. maybe not as good or effective.

but this one is only 70% as effective but that will do. and saying as well on the medical side, we do something a lot of people don't do. we allow for prescription medication. that is if you have this and there's testimony and people come forward and say this is the only thing that works, okay but follow the protocol. the normal medical protocol and get a prescription. that seems to us to make sense. you have 200000 medical marijuana users in colorado and a lot of people think that there

are chiropractors writing these permissions. we don't know the content. we don't know what to expect before. i know this sounds like big government but at the end of the day when you put stuff into your body you would like some reassurance that someone is testing it. particularly something that goes down into your lungs. and you may get mad at the fda but i think you would like an inspection. >> yes. >> it's drawing lines. one of the factors what else is available? how much harm can it do [inaudible] >> it all depends. it depends on the nature of the harm. the people want to also

[inaudible] they want to find those drug cartels. a lot of times they are exporting large amounts of heroin. >> i'm not sure that we want to have a public policy held hostage to the reactions of the mexican drug cartels you know, we do not. but it's one of the arguments. they did something very unusual and diversifying. >> no matter where they are. >> hitting back to your cultural concerns. going back to this analogy about tobacco. forgetting the question of banning it today or not. tobacco is the most demonized

product in america. it's one of the things that i love. it's a band of brothers. the one thing you know about everyone there is that they don't have a problem. >> one of the amazing things is this particular magazine. >> really? i didn't know that [inaudible] >> cigar aficionado magazine. >> i have plenty of them. >> so what would prohibit? as you know you are trying to nip this in the bud and we are very early in the process of his decriminalization mainstreaming of marijuana and think we can

both agree that we are going to have twists and turns and ups and downs and all the rest of [inaudible] >> you will see things like this are juicier tobacco. and they say that we are not going to fire you. there are going to be lawsuit about that. i'm sure that there already are lawsuits about that in colorado. they did entranced eventually all of these different institutions -- >> what is to prevent all of that [inaudible]

[inaudible] >> after at what point could this have been avoided. i have heard both stories and in colorado we had employees that they we don't even bother to test. we have heard that in lots of places. because there are so many young people. but i think he will see someone who requires that testing and then i also think that you will have a bar there and these people are selling something that scientifically are demonstrably not warning people and these guys should be sued.

>> what about when drivers start smoking pot and they get in an accident. >> we are seeing more and more of this as well. but let's just start about education. and i told folks, just keep doing this you will see your scores go down. but if you lose your iq points, that is a lot of iq points. and we hear teachers and administrators talking about kids in class and it works or their chewing on a pencil but they are inhaling marijuana. and it seems to me educationally the other way. in the development of the brain starting at 12 and 13 it is the time for a lot of users at the wrong time in terms of cognitive

development. so again it seems to me al@development. so again it seems to me all of the things that you want to do. all of the things that you are fighting for, all of the things that you are worried about. >> two points. first of all i will give help from libertarians if i bring it up, but what about the argument that pot is not ideal or great for everybody but okay for some people. but the social cost of incarceration and the militarization of police, the criminalization and the over criminalization of society those are costs of society as well. >> this is a lot less than if that weren't available. the estimates for what we spend on prosecuting marijuana cases

arresting people the cost of police. the estimates are about an analogy. is that for every dollar that we spend in that we get from taxes we have to spend $10 because of the harm done. a lot of people believe that that is about the same ratio. we don't spend that much. but these numbers are very important. the number of people in state prisons were that is a serious offense, .61%. and people plead down and people in federal prisons, possession it's about 1.3 or 1.4%.

and that is a lot of marijuana. so those numbers are wild exaggerations and libertarians love to say more about this. >> the other question i wanted to ask is how much of this is really downstream of the larger social situation. the kid in math class secretly smoking pot in high school, that is probably a situation and i know that there are other things going on.

my brother had problems and to die because of his addiction. i have strong showings and it comes from all sorts of lifestyles. but we are talking about the macrolevel and a lot of the problems that we are trying to address are really upstream and smoking pot, aren't they? or are they not. >> yes, but we do know that here as in elsewhere, you know, where you stand and have a foundation. it has a lot to do with this. there was an earthquake in san francisco, there was one in san francisco and then there was one in mexico. and so one was worse than the other. i think the most absurd thing that i saw was a panel discussion on c-span.

[applause] >> it was just this person from the washington state saying that when we open dispensaries we need to put them in the poor neighborhoods of the people who have been most victimized by the police will have a chance to return a profit. there is a good idea. i mean this was like one i remember going after some of the individuals in the liquor industry. and you guys really have to put it together. and if you start smoking and you lose iq in her tomorrow. if your motivation wasn't that strong and you start smoking dope and he did the motivations fuller the odds are succeeding for lower and there isn't any

question. distributed equally and people will offend and all classes. some people will be in the treatment centers and other people will fall right through. >> we have brought it up a bunch of times and you know that it's about four minutes left. alcohol. alcohol is bad and it hasn't stopped me from being a friend. >> another book sitting there drinking a martini and eating a steak and a guy said is that virtuous. soon i put the records show that we have actually had martinis together. >> we both get up early.

it's alluding to it earlier is the only reason you are not applying this same argument is because it's so much more embedded in the culture maxima probably. >> prohibition was the right idea because it was so deeply embedded. >> this is one of the things that is important in alcohol consumption. but the culture wouldn't let it stand. and they said prohibition was better than the liquor at all. wine at the last supper, you are not getting rid of it. you live with the demons that you have to some extent but you introduce new ones in it seems to me. every family has this problem.

almost every family that i know of has an alcohol problem. >> usually the distinction between the alcohol and the other problems is very blurred. >> i think that a fair analysis is that anything if you look at marijuana and tobacco cigarettes and alcohol, you would conclude that all of this makes me think that there is a stronger case with tobacco and alcohol than there is for marijuana. but the inroads have mattered and mothers against drunk driving have done very good work and all of this stuff has decreased smoking. there are now more teenagers smoking marijuana and smoking

cigarettes. but the society does what it can and i don't think that it can prevent alcohol genie back in the bottle. and we can stop this one from getting out. >> okay. well, we are just about out of time. i want to thank you for doing this. i want to thank you or writing the book. >> go there if you have comments or questions or complaints as you say things about this. >> if they want to say things about me they should also go there because i don't want to hear it. >> okay, yes. everything you want to aim. >> thank you very much for doing this. >> it's my pleasure. thank you, sir. >> that was "after words."

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