't know it was segregated until i got onto the bus, and she's sleeping on my shoulder, and, you know, the guy on the front seat, young guy, 20-something guy with a back hat and a beard and a white shirt -- it was saturday night, you know right after the shah bat. he gets up from me and he said oh sit down because there i was, a young mother with a baby on my shoulder. as soon as he gets up, the older guy next to him in his 60s, you know, he had a white beard, he looks at him, and he goes -- [laughter] like that like no. so this poor kid, you know, he's like, 23 years old. he looks at me with the baby on my shoulder, and he looks at the guy next to him and he looks at me, and he looks at the guy, and he's in this bind, and finally he looks at me, and he goes, you know, what am i going to do in and he sits back down. i go all the way to the back and find a seat in the back. but that was my first experience. i didn't know that existed. it wasn't official.

it wasn't an official segregated bus. so i think back to that story, and i think it was sort of a moment of cultural transition meaning that the guy's the young man's sort of ambivalence represented a shift within his own culture. he sort of was in this place where he thought that it was okay for a woman, you know, to sit there, but the rules around him were changing. >> well, you know the experience we had was that the women, some of women when we sat in the front came down from the back of the bus and sat down and asked us in hebrew what we were doing and why. >> right. >> they themselves were wondering what's going on. the men, some of them put up their hats or they refused -- they came on the bus and refused the sit down next to us -- >> it's not unusual for women to be gatekeepers, you know, of the patriarchy. it's the thrill -- phyllis.

>> schlafly's of the world. for lots of reasons. there are women for whom, you know the gender inequality we have is sort of comfortable and safe and what's known to them. undoing all that can be, you know scary and threatennenning for whatever reason. so sometimes the women are even more vehement in, oh, no, we can't make change. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> here's a look at some of the upcoming book fairs and festivals happening around the country. this weekend booktv is live at the university of arizona with coverage of the seventh annual tucson festival of books. next week we're covering the virginia festival of the book in charlottesville, virginia. and then from march 25-29th, the city of new orleans hosts the tennessee williams literary festival, and that'll be followed by booktv's live coverage of the los angeles times festival of books from the

campus of university of southern california on april 18th and 19th. let us know about book fairs and festivals in your area. e-mail us at booktv@c-span.org. >> i would say that libertarians politically favor lower taxes, less regulation more tolerance toward gay marriage and marijuana, more skepticism about endless foreign wars. the book is mostly about the deeper principles that underlie those policies, but it does have probably the longest chapter in the book is on contemporary policy problems ranging from endless foreign wars to health care and economic growth. now, because of the venue we're in here and the nature of the audience, i want to say something about tensions between modern liberals and libertarians. i know that i see various liberal magazines that have lots of attacks on libertarians and

i suppose it's fair to say that libertarian magazines have lots of attacks on modern liberals. the first thing that libertarians say when we talk about liberal tension is, but we're liberals. we are descended from the classical liberals. we consider ourselves liberals in the sense of john locke and adam smith and thomas jefferson and john stewart mill, and somewhere around the end of the 19th century, a split occurred among liberals not so much on principles of free speech, religious freedom, extending the promises of the declaration of independence to more and more people but on the issue of economics and the government's role in the economy. so we're still liberals, but now we have to call ourselves classical liberals because otherwise people wouldn't understand. still, modern liberals and libertarians agree on a lot of things even though we may talk a

lot more about the things we disagree about. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> marc good match, founder of the future crimes institute and senior adviser to interpol, talks about how criminals, corporations and governments are using technology to disrupt the lives of people around the world. it's next on booktv. ..