have burning people alive and all this kind of savagery. so it's not really an invention by isis and they would conquer an area and you can only take the choices and consider the people in the buck. you can convert pay taxes. see ..

>> >> or otherwise they're not

in compliance? >> i come for france and there are a lot of young people joining isis so how can one prevent that from happening? prior to then being sensible ? >> so whenever it is expansionist any area that ices controls unless they believe in a ideology.

so how to be annihilated are the existential threats and ideology. and like i told you with the discourse is difficult because a lot of parents and are surprised that the sons joined. led child would use an application to be involved in pro democracy activism. the application is very useful for countries of the

middle east so they cannot monitor that application. but what it does is turns the flown into a walkie-talkie credulous and from isis and listen to them from your home and you don't have data access to the internet. a lot of parents have said they found their son listening. they said all listen to these people they are crazy. but they would just say i am curious. i don't like them. for the nephew months later he disappears and calls his parents on the borders of iraq to say i am with the

brothers. , a personal note i feared for my own son. how can you make sure this person will not join a group like that? because it is hard to predict who can enjoy a nicest. >> last question. isis is a threat for central asia? >> is a threat ion not an expert with asia but they do know that central asian comes from different countries in terms of symbolism and discourse which is an area to be controlled by muslims which

is in central asia but i don't claim to be an expert. >> thank you very much for your time. [applause] you can purchase the book high -- outside. [inaudible conversations]

to. [applause] things to. welcome to barney frank. moi so to i will accept them or reject them as i wish to but i was hoping you could say with two stories that

you try to tell in this book about your life. >> there was two things as the normal teenager with my interest but watching the mccarthy hearings that then these hearings were fascinating. but i had to do something about the terrible racism.

as a black guy from chicago. and then i was debating and arguing and i watch the mccarthy hearings. in at the same time i knew this was a terrible conflict. because i promulgated the executive order but then to say i want to be influential.

between that social acceptability for the order has reversed much in 2012 and how was the first member of congress with same-sex marriage. but that turned out to be much more popular than cherry the committee a financial-services. so as i got to be more influential in government from a society. but then to have people recognize they undervalue government that is a part i am working on. [applause] >> you have an interesting analysis of who has lost

faith in government and why. >> if they don't believe philosophically. in to be very wealthy you have some incentive not to get involved because you have to disproportionately attribute that. this is one that we have talked about with the reagan democrats but the working middle crawl -- middle-class men use economic position and i thought it was valid but besides handguns and gays.

but it is clear i don't know many democrats. but it is not hot issue. but that fundamental problem is they have become an anti-government. >> from the end of world war ii if you are a white sky you don't have three about women to be prejudiced you could go to a factory in by the time he were fifties u.s. economic but your kids your college in been changes in the economic situation to work to the edges of the vintage. that people now found that

the trade policies to be for free trade. that the way trade had worked to enhance national wealth in the way it was distributed unfairly to exacerbate that. and in southeastern massachusetts with the textile business it is not entirely gone by the way. [applause] so go by one if you need one. [laughter] >> what happened was this. when they saw themselves on the short end of the stick economically it was for the

government to help them but they did in to. but that the prejudice comes in and that we we're doing this to them. given that economic situation. en to then since reagan became president there is exactly four years with obama is first to and clinton's first zero it doesn't work very well but we're in a vicious cycle. people who think coverage should protect them. but some people don't remember that you didn't do

nothing when he left town of you could have done something you did do nothing. that we could have done something to alleviate. and gay rights is in issue or abortion but the alienation comment that acre but there is one issue i plan to pursue it. in addition to guns is environmentalism. although there is a conflict with the environmental issues and have that hierarchy. climate change doesn't count for much. with the aesthetic value.

>> that was before. so can be persuaded white working-class and middle-class men that if we execute that. >> is that something the democratic party can do? >> to be on the republican and democratic side. >> something is happening now. >> one of the things i thank you were seeing is that new democratic recognition. in there is the direct cause of the relationship between the assault on unions and

example, built like intel's its employees in tennessee is prepared to support a union to make good relations with worker councils in germany. the tennessee republicans led by a senator corker says what you upset about? then day threaten the people level it's like an. -- volkswagen for the expansion of the plan. so they lost by a fairly small margin. here was the answer. if volkswagen gets the union

tsa and though they just take the money so corker said with a tennessee republicans that if wages go up it will cause upward pressure and if wages go up throughout tennessee that is the industry from other states. scott walker bush's right to life so that is one of the things we can do. with short-term and long-term to make it easier for community government or higher education not the desperate is another way. and infrastructure. there is some progress in the construction trade but

it is more than any other group. >> but what senator corker gives us for the argument of tennessee is seems so observe how is someone who was a working person in tennessee go with that argument? >> that is one of the things to of this great tradition in with the justice brandeis but the problem is you cannot do experiments and that is what happens so eisenhower put together the interstate highway program to urinate - - united the nation the republican

majority is not looking to raise the money needed to keep the highway system going. in some say if they want the highway then let them do it. but the conservatives have come -- perfected a two-step. for the right and budget for medicaid for use in the things back to the states then the conservatives say we cannot do this. season that back to the states to of all from that expenditure with the state by state becomes corrosion of our values. >> america with the account

of the first year congress when tip o'neill became speaker and reagan became president. and then on a personal level that tip o'neill did not feel that it was possible through parliamentary tactics because said would undermine our system of government. >> what about the bipartisanship? should come as a member of the minority group of a

partisan democrat but with the parties they denounce them and they form them. >> political parties it is all personality. we have two big parties in western democracies that recognizes it thinks the government should be expanded and why they extent -- extend the private sector. and when there is a republican president to have that incentive of an incentive to cooperate.

and then to undermine in a positive trend especially since we have seen democrats correctly to cause problems in the function it is very unpopular. because they're always doing bailouts. there were five. two of them all by themselves like aig. in with that bipartisanship begin in 2008 he comes to

the very able people and said you gave us stimulus. because on the one hand so they work with him on that. obama did not ask for the stimulus. and those who don't have firm opinions and when people don't have firm opinions. [laughter] >> it wasn't the focus groups between obama and mccain and/or bush they

don't know anything but stimulus was the bad word so that economic recovery act to say that recovery was is more attractive stimulus. >> given my experience it is better than under cover. [laughter] >> i was overruled. and in 2008 / says the top economic people seven weeks before the election. we just enjoy a dating and with the prime minister with the harvard gay anniversary. to be in the capital for the weekend. to watch from a manual as

neighbors sitting in the reading table were on their blackberry to the press. but then to have a place going forward. but then to go down in history as the most unpopular successful think we have never done. they voted for it. so barack obama and then john mccain refuses. but then 2008 the then to push them into but then that is it.

they used to not care so much but now that it is a good thing. this is the story of king solomon. that is the problem. >> obviously you are a liberal as one of the things that you talk about in 1954 when you were it in mississippi end you said then when you were 24 the you were not there to create a perfect world.

that you've believe that i am not here to build a perfect society just ensure that he gets his chance to live his life the own way. but that tactical importance to stave realistic. >> will but i saw with the american movement but in 1964 if you remember the play green pastures and it was called delawd and then

they started to mock him. but then most of us i think it has been replayed with lgbt people. those who were initially opposed the marriage is an institution that oppresses woman. so it was the same but we want to have the same. but others said for the tip of the spiffier if they have been excluded that they

would rebuild it entirely different the. and the average citizen said i want to be like everybody else. to say they never had great support. but then if they thought they had no chance. but then there was a tactical and strategic difference. much to the contrary this support from the naacp defense fund not even in channeled the segregation. and they brought lawsuits

with separate law schools improve its favor separate. not only was an unconstitutional but he was constantly thinking that. mitt if you are unrealistic if you keep telling people to do something they have no chance of succeeding in to denigrate success you can dissuade the people to waste time. >> people finally from lgbt communities. >> but the decision from the supreme court on the gay marriage another decision. was never that is that in

the congress, in many states now moving into a religious freedom? >> it is pretty clear the supreme court is okay. justice kennedy has written eloquent lgbt an every case. second when the courts of appeals would allow marriages and would allow them tuesday or suspend the decision they said no. so it would have been pretty irresponsible. so i think marriage would be done. among those that are hoping

all of the fanatical republicans they know of losing issue when they see it. if they come out against marriage if they don't they lose the tribal rites. [laughter] but i do believe we are at a point because of the transgendered people. but by now we are familiar. with that democratic house and senate president that we will pass a nondiscrimination bill. it jmb statutory but about any individual to say nondiscrimination goes to an

encouraging things. so with those business communities. are you crazy? but to say of so to say that's those with interracial marriage to have a right to say that these women may not come into this store. for women that are not dress the way the muslim believe they should. so in the end we will win the fight politically. it is damaging economically

but the first breakthrough on nondiscrimination with the most advanced sectors of the economy i am not sure a bill will be passed right away the you can do that but not follow the laws. >> before rigo to questions on the audience he talked about before you got into politics studying for the ph.d.. that you have these of limited extension from that legislative process? >> from the past statistics. [laughter] i was supposed to do the ph.d. so i took time off to

write it but then there was of a terrible race in at the end he said i need to work with your is it you cannot do that after righties says if you want me to be a big liberal i want to be but if you walk away from a don't complain so that was pretty persuasive. but then the then to co-wrote but he said he chaired the department? is said there is a rule they just instituted after you took the pga exams you have

five years to finish the thesis and since then i talked to kevin so we will give you an extension that was 1967. [laughter] >> we will call you dodd/frank -- dr. frank. [laughter] >> now barney frank will take questions from the audience. [applause] and margarita who has been sold eliot and.

and tom allen is here. >> of course, it is dependent to read people's handwriting. but how do you bring that issue of voter suppression to the consciousness of the larger majority of american people? >> because it is concentrated against minorities this manipulate to the rules to make a harder. but african-american members of the house but they did that give a record of births to black people in the 20's or 30's.

so you cut down it is us a terrible idea then facilitated them was made to me. in and but here they threw out passed congress because they didn't make the right judgment. it was a terrible thing. but what we have to do this environmentalist or defending medicare with you were legislators fighting climate change to protect medicare obese or supportive. but let me say this.

could to be better intentioned i wish they would stop saying there is no point in voting their all bums there all corrupt there will never listen. and i have to say a politician in did something good. what's the difference? that is to though lower turnout. [applause] >> that recalls what you say about the mccarthy hearings in the way that inspired you

to become a public servant. using the name of michael brown rats the shepard will ring for people? >> i think the case is much more complicated but the guy that was indicted you for the guy never shot in the stairwell but apparently he does that with african-americans in misery there is no question. so that is more complicated but as results of the election in ferguson that will have a good message. so i hope that scott walker will do this.

but scott walker and hope that will the motivate but one of the great annoyances for the police departments have become right way non though whole edifice is a legal for people it is very self-defeating. that is the impact of what is the renowned with ferguson. >> this is a question the refers to your work in the fighting is world with dodd/frank. you have to appendices. >> three of them. [laughter] >> that specifically deal with the history of some prime lending.

>> we are in a situation where the modeling changes because money comes in and outside of the banking system in mentioning technology instead of making loans to package them and sell them. the results as many people of the audience could have bought a home but they paid a back but they watch very carefully but the younger people it was sold them packaged and though the under did not care. the incentive was switched to the quantity of shaky loans and that led to the crisis. in the republicans were empowered to read too many democrats and did not regulate.

so then they were back into the new financial derivatives that could be corn. that is why with its derivatives is called commodities futures trading commission. and there were no rules. during the period with these loans were to be paid to protect ginnie mae and freddie mac by 1984 passing the federal reserve but then they said that is an interference in the market. we tried on several occasions to pass the laws to regulate predatory lending. so they had to preempt that

then with the state banks and into thousand for the democrats tried to pass the bill with some prime lending you and i became chairman in 2007 without was voted for on the floor to say those in the to people who cannot pay you back and though "wall street journal" attacked me. why are they stopping these loans? so in other words ashley republicans? alan greenspan 2007. >> so before the crash he says i am aware the easing of mortgage credit terms for

some prime borrowers increased risk so to distort the market out comes but i believe then and now every he has the power that the benefits of home ownership are worth arrests have. protection of property rights so critical to a market economy is required to sustain political support in the results will give people money so they will be conservative. kamal street journal said most of the new homeowners are minorities and low-income families and are not qualified for a mortgage we do find legislation to make sure fewer of these homes. [laughter] [applause] but the rules they kept us from slowing down caused the crash and they were panicked

because of a logical argument is we need regulation. that we should have regulated these loans are derivatives we should not let aig's sell credit defaults what -- swap because he listens to me he understands them but aig issue them it is a policy you sell to someone and if maturity does not pay off you have to make up the difference with the federal government under bush said you were $85 billion short and people go lot of business you have to come up with the many. so bernanke and paulson telling us how much they needed 85 or 50 for this and

we said you already told us about this they said this is additional. it owed 170 billion but from this site he was the founder of a i jesus so assuming the federal government to pay off the debt his company had occurred but this is the arsonist suing the fire department for water damage. [laughter] but to protect these loans after the fact they discovered they were against them because they needed to have regulation and a bloomberg said that.

played the poor banks but then try to stop it. sheila bair was the fdic commissioner said let them try to stop it. also fit the may freddie mac i was too sanguine about fannie mae and freddie mac but by then in 2004 made me nervous then george bush since use of the increased the number of homes they bought below median income. by 2005 i joined the republican chairman to pass a bill in the house in the committee but it passed the senate republicans did not like it but i tried to work it out so the chairman of the of committee that nothing that happened with

kidney or freddie said comet 2007 to become the chairman of the committee that haik paulson testifies with chaney's memoir is said the last time one of your officers so people know that is a washington read the. [laughter] and i can tell you all the politics which is benjamin franklin. sova chase says in 2003 we submitted a bill but financial-services committee chairman barney frank the

problem was a was not chairman. nine tel 2007 and the house was run by tom delay. and they said if i was really at that time i had power but there are the things it would have done. i would stop the big tax cuts tell him not to look at the stars and i tell him in the book chairman barney frank killed the bill and said that to the iraqi the chairman of weapons of mass destruction of. [laughter] >> so i give a chronology they didn't do anything that 12 years they were in control they blocked our efforts to fix the prime

lending and that is a little bit too much but that had a purpose to of solve the community from the responsibility for that legislation to regulate them >> we have time for to question is that are related >> aside from hell of a clinton do you have any preference for a presidential candidate or hope for another? a and a related question is would you consider running on the same ticket with elizabeth warren or president and vice president? >> no. with the constitution i could not get the votes in the commonwealth of massachusetts because it says in the constitution they shall pass -- cast their votes at least one

issue not be from the same state as those elected. to say you give up that vote so it could not be elisabeth. >> could you change your registration and to bathe? [laughter] that is possible. but making very good point how john mccain fudges o record but to be vice president that is clearly unqualified. the only thing you can say to be a presidential nominee you have an absolute obligation to be vice president that can take over. when the next president is elected or inaugurated i will be almost 77 no one that is nearing 80 would

want to be in a position. i have seen too many great people stay beyond when it made sense. is among the most able distinguished people become bathetic to stay too long and i have of horror about that. but i am a great friend and i support those decisions but in the first place she is an extraordinary force herself the uphill presidential race would allow people to criticize her or her motives right now they have to argue on the merits she is very bright to and informed per carload her in a position to be denigrated. second as paul krugman documented in the campaign

every clinton on domestic issues was up barack obama his desk with the weakening in the finance reform bill she put out a statement to say we cannot allow weakening and we have to defend them. and then people say we want this but does anybody think what would happen with the republican nomination process was helpful to them? why would we replicate that? >> we are and other financial disadvantage. maybe the country split their money but this is so mad at the president and the and the democrats of the reform bill but they truly hate it. now they give all of their money to the republicans so they can plug in the zone.

you have so i am for heller a clinton and we should get behind her. [applause] civic thank you very much it is a testament to your own career when you talk about to be vice president or president you talk about the aged not that you are gay and the jewish. [laughter] >> but there is a perception that joe lieberman is candidacy that they have come to regret for other reasons that has zero negative effect especially for as a gay couple in the white house. i think we are getting closer to that but if there

will be of a gay president in our lifetime? >> thank you very much. barney frank. [cheers and applause] >> we're joined today by professor of history at columbia university. author or editor of two dozen volumes many our award

winners including fire by a trial which won the of pulitzer in 2011. thank you for joining us today. >> guest: thanks for having me. >> host: how did you arrive that this subject and this title? >> the title is that the book centers on the york city although it deals with other places but it would suggest that it was said in a way when fugitive slaves got to new york city very quickly they were sent to upstate new york and canada to achieve freedom so the york was the pivotal turning point from their journey from slavery to freedom. i got into this subject

accidentally. a student of mine was working on her senior thesis about the abolitionist journalist and is interested in his journalistic career but she said in the papers there is the document about fugitive slaves and you may find it interesting. i filed that way and to with the record of fugitives but basically for two years a journalist and an activist of the underground railroad reported the experiences of over 200 men women and children to went on their way to freedom and ba journalist he put down their stories of who owns them or why or how they escaped who helped them how they got to your care where they send

them or how much money they spend like on train tickets. then i decided to track down the leads with the record of fugitives to see if i could depicted as a cave through new york city. of the book begins with a document may be a star with a historical question then find the resources they hear it is the opposite. i worked out to piece together a narrative of history. >> what was the underground railroad? . .