disservice to we cannot afford to give than to the isolation mindset. >> host: talk about the history. >> but talk about right now with nuclear infrastructure with security council resolutions there are at least seven chapters that have been supported by russia and china and united states to stop enrichment him processing and come clean with the dimensions of its program stop building long-range capable warheads. and they have spoken as the international community has spoken and that is the current reality today. then to deal with occur reality there is no doubt about that.

with the future to get a peaceful nuclear deal with a cascade of proliferation like hillary is suggesting a comprehensive deal with peaceful economic leverage. and we actually have a peaceful course of leverage to make that is the position that i support. >> how long are you talking? how long that they go on? >> that is one of the main sticking points to negotiate the sanctions relief. but we do know their position they have to keep the form of the economic leverage with the e.u. sanctions only other way and

then within nuclear weapon but. >> host: we will head to north carolina on the line for republicans. good morning. >> caller: if the iranians will not cheat on video and how do you convince them not to have a weapon like egypt or saudi arabia? >> guest: the idea of iran having the weapon is a social fact is repeated over and over even though since 2007 saying it is not producing the nuclear weapons but the israeli intelligence community shares that assessment they are hell bent on nuclear

weapons but it is critically important. when iran was attacked with weapons of mass destruction with iraq in 1988 and they were lobbying hundreds of rounds of the ammunition at soldiers and civilians there are either died or injured. with that decision not to weapon is the chemical stockpile. the large part of the dedication to the belief in then they dismiss that with the islamophobia with the muslims but in the political

order but to go back for those that were killed or injured we will pursue weapons of mass destruction and with the lack of understanding. and then try to acquire a nuclear weapon. and for ever. and then to acquire nuclear weapons. these were left in an perpetuity.

with that verification of the program to last forever. >> guest: but what she is neglecting to tell the viewers that iran started to move forward on a nuclear program and that was the response. that was devastating those chemical weapons attack but as a response by iran was to move forward on the nuclear program. the u.s. intelligence community believe that i radius had not made a strategic decision yet to build a nuclear weapon but they want to retain the capability to do so that is threshold nuclear capacity. the response to that. is there anything the egyptians merger deals -- jordanians will move to their own nuclear program. and to have the same options

with that threshold. the non-proliferation and treaty is for normal nuclear powers and other countries that represent to world peace but the nonproliferation and treaty do not apply to a country that has not yet made a strategic decision to give up the nuclear program. when it comes clean with the standing weaponization then we know they will make a strategic decision but when that happens we will celebrate. >> host: rehab a half-hour last why america must accept the islamic republic. and then watching the negotiations happening in switzerland with the deadline tonight but cbs

news is one of them to consider extending the talks were put off the biggest decisions over a matter of months. good morning. >> caller: my question is how do we trust what we hear? we have the iranian leaders demonstrating in the ocean those speeches are consistently saying that they go through last week but down we have the negotiators at the table when the state department speaks we have susan rice telling us things that we know are not true. we have administration that tells us things that are not true. how do we trust this

government? >> working at the warehouse i had to deal with this firsthand and who i want to succeed especially after 9/11 but based on the agenda uh driven and desires of interest groups here in washington to say we should believe them to have nuclear weapons and we should invade the country never mind how many iraqis are how many have been killed or maimed we should do that out of evidence like mr. mark dubowitz represents today but they know better with that international monitoring organization. i saw that firsthand. so with the opportunity that we have to negotiate and

agreed anyway to have an agreement is more intrusive and verification from the international atomic energy agency not those who previously told us as a stakeholder the manufactured information of the nuclear weapons program. said to have that upon the table got to have the interest groups say what is going on. >> use a the supreme leader is someone that could be trusted? what about the iranian supreme leader? >> guest: i don't think anybody should be interest bond dash trusted rather president of united states or iran. we have a lot to hold our government accountable.

in what is so important here and but we can do for our our own interest and even to go beyond that. and the al myers and that is something else side of the interest. we want the incredibly successful nonproliferation treaty. the only thing they did is better 75% israel and pakistan that is what we don't want. >> host: now we go to jamaica on the line for others. good morning. >> caller: good morning.

but how can we talk about iran and israel nobody says much about it. but that is the best he can do. ted is the very best thing to do do. i assure ready is talking about. >> host: and let's hear from him. >> guest: i admirer

hillary is fashion she focuses on the substance rather than on the personal attacks bin she should know i was not publicly advocating for war in iraq and committed to negotiations. but peaceful negotiations is ready to go. but to talk about the failure of the bush administration but intelligence agencies from around the world. we have done a very bad job to detect nuclear weapons. with china and pakistan to be under estimated that we over estimated from 2003. the fact is we have a very bad job in the intelligence community with a covert

nuclear weapons than that is the serious issue looking up the negotiations because this deal is a bet with those clandestine line facilities. if iran was not engaging in clandestine and facilities today would be the first time in 20 years they have not. they have that record some hope from nuclear mendacity but they have not had a strategic state or as shift to pursue peaceful civilian energy cauteries stop that dedicated regime of the of supreme leader to support international terrorism? how to read no?

that is the president's challenge over the next two months. >> host: on the kentucky line for democrats. >> caller: good morning. i had a question. what do you think the impact of the net on the of his speech and though letter written of the signs written by the senators to have on the negotiation? >> guest: i think there are too important impacts one is to underscore for the iranians united states cannot be trusted so it is not only for a trust the rand but if they can trust us it has raised a red flag.

underscored the importance of focusing lifting the u.n. sanctions that the candidates will fall to over to burn deals they could not touch. and tried to get an agreement based in international law with the proliferation treaty. that was the focus. it spurred concern getting the guarantees. >> but take the administration in a position where it doesn't have an answer to the claims of the nuclear agreement to technical details to put them in a position and how

that has to resort interest not because we are wary but to set the stage of all the supporters in washington. and with that leader maybe he is the applause that muslim but specifically president obama today in the ayatollah. with an agreement between the two because somehow maybe obama is the figure. and with the increasing rhetoric but they spoke of

between the islamic state and isis and the islamic republic. we should not talk to them anyway but it isn't like it's for the rest of the world. >> host: a quick response? >> i really do admire your passion but iran and the united states are very different countries for the supreme leader of iran is the absolute power with the brutal authoritarian country. we have congress and executive branch to see a lot of disagreements about the deal. and in 2009 to look at the

of a dinner shot elections. -- on the danish side -- there was consensus over fraudulent elections but delayed personnel there who is defending him. >> stick to the negotiations as ever going on now. >> host: the line for republicans good morning. >> caller: and thanks for taking my call. looking out from the of mindset.

and then since 1989 with then a possible successor simex so how can you insure is the future of what you deal with to fall apart? >> guest: that is why it is so important to negotiate on the non-proliferation treaty it is not one figure or any one system is good or bad. head then the endorsement but iranians are pursuing with the islamic republic at

is deeply flawed with the democracy and they're trying to do perfected along though way. there are no guarantees white is so important for the non-proliferation entreaty bet the importance of the deal with china and no one could say that chairman mao was a good jeffersonian democrat. the issue is the policy that mr. mark dubowitz has pursued his weekend the united states threatening our the leadership of the economic order and threatens our position in the middle east. is a core strategy getting us into trouble over and over now threatens the global position as leader of the international economic order. >> host: tried to get a few more callers here at the roundtable. illinois for the independent

mind. good morning. >> caller: good morning. how do we trust a country that kidnapped a bunch of our people? we cannot trust people like that. >> host: going back to the history. >> guest: the fact there is an american journalist now sitting in prison denied repeated access to counsel an american marine sitting in the dungeons of present and an american preacher as well with the torture chamber and this is the united states of america. a brutal the iranian regime that merger disown filled -- as some people not only can we not trust but the regime

of its very nature with its makeup and behavior but the notion of the rapprochement and that obama administration goes ahead with the eyes wide-open. with a leading sponsor of terrorism it is not a united states of america, hillary. >> host: going back to the discussion of sanctions have this unit is states justify the sanctions to the iranian civilians? >> they will have a disproportionate impact upon the people of the country. the two black south africans and nelson mandela and most leaders of the movement's support sanctions because they were coercive instruments to change the

calculus of the apartheid government there were not a silver bullet but a silver shrapnel end then to take a broad based trade sanctions to be much more focused on the financial sector but civilians are not dying by the hundreds of thousands to the met that collateral damage. >> there always will because their economy with the currency plummeting was seriously under pressure. and they one day a nuclear

deal the only question is the ayatollah hogmanay. >> host: the independent line. >> caller: good morning. but the south african bonds supported the apartheid regime while quite a number of years to what that policy birling to pay for it that what we have wasted in the of middle east calls for ed different policy to threats and other people and know what to say how much i admire mark dubowitz i hope they're still fighting side-by-side because they are americans who are presenting a reality we need to know so we can accept the cost of what ever we do henceforth. >> host: would you like to respond?

>> guest: hillary has taken a position that is the al leiter in washington and is thus difficult place to be but if she is the al leiter because ahmadinejad reelection that it was not fraudulent. >> guest: there was no evidence. >> guest: but everybody agrees. let me finish. >> why it was so important in 1953 there is no evidence we used that the cia that concern if it is true or not but for me or anybody else to say they have proof of fraud is l.i.. and with that what they used to invade iraq because i

could not support another lie perpetrated on the american people. >> host: the line from independence. good morning. >> caller: good morning. how are we keeping track of the scientists to build of bombs in into were three years ago the i radiance hit a scientist away from us so we could not get to him for vice think they have already killed two or three of them. they could find out where he was that i would think they would kill him. is this true? >> hillary seems traumatized by the bush administration and she has them lied to by road government but she is credulous with the i read in regime but the caller brings up a good point that they have been lying to the international community with

the military nuclear program and hillary that is a fact there are multiple iaea reports of full-size. but the chief editor to national committee to that has been in charge of the program for years has been a response will for the weaponization activities until they come clean or engage in this activity or we have the base line of what they have done we have no idea what this will look like you have to do with evidence sometimes. >> guest: the question was the site is killed by the israelis. that is up the way to get them to the table. what we need is someone that accepts reality on the

ground. but the reality is the islamic republic is a rising power just says china to come in our own interest not because we love the ayatollah khomeini. >> host: why america must except to the islamic republic to cover book and mark dubowitz executive director for the foundation of defense democracies. thank you so much for your time.

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we have a listening station a listening station that features 46 of his songs in his own voice. that is what that is what makes the recordings he did make so significant and important. ♪♪ this land is your land. ♪ this land is my land. ♪ from california. ♪ to the new york island. >> watch saturday at noon eastern on c-span2 book tv and sunday afternoon at two on american history tv. >> yesterday politicos chief white house correspondent set down with epa administrator to talk about president obama's climate action plan carbon emissions regulations climate change, and priorities of the epa. the interview is part of politicos playbook one show that the museum in washington dc. this is half an hour. [applause] >> thank you for coming out. we appreciate it.

you are fully mobile. >> yes. no crutches, no nothing. >> mdm. madam secretary, one of the biggest out for president obama 2nd term is a big a compass went on climate job potentially one of the history book items for him. what is your biggest most optimistic help? >> deliver on his climate action plan. my full expectation is he is outlined an ambitious but compelling argument on why we need to take action now. his leadership has been amazing. i have a clear path forward, and we will move ahead to develop those plans and rules that are going to underpin his success in taking strong action and generating international action as well. >> one of the real high seats in the administration the clean power plan tell

us about the people who love it in the people related. >> most people recognize clearly that we have to take action on climate and they are looking for us leadership on this including the business community. we know we have to move toward low carbon future. the challenges to make sure we do it in a reasonable and effective way and that we get the ball rolling. most people recognize we should. there will be folks arguing about whether we should or how we do but i am hearing a lot more about how we design and then whether we should. >> some of the comments that come in. this can get personal. >> well, i have been in government for 35 years. i probably would not have made it to where i am if i had not figured out how to separate personal from business. there is no question that we

have a moral responsibility to act on this but i no that i have to follow the law that i have apply the data as i see it and keep my head down and treat this as it should be a normal business. and i feel very comfortable that i we will have to defend it and will be able to and will defended under the law, the science come and have a great opportunity to deliver. >> why is there so much passion behind this? >> well, i hate to tell you, but it is not as hard outside of washington dc as it is in washington dc. i think we have got to look at what the issues are that people care about. >> virginia and kentucky is pretty hot. >> there are folks working hard with us figuring out

what kind of action we need to take. i think there is a lot more surety among the general public and a lot more concerned that we're already seeing. i do i do not think any of the individuals we are working with want to see those impacts get larger because we fail to address these issues in a way that not only will be ambitious but has to turn this challenge into an opportunity. one of the reasons why i think there is great hope that the momentum will continue is because the technology of the future is now the technology people are investing in today. i have been around long enough to know when you bring up a problem with no solution they don't like the problem to be articulated and defined. that is what is happening today. i i have every confidence we can move the ball forward

and that momentum will continue as part of the economic fabric. >> of these technologies in the future, what is the most cutting-edge? >> i don't know if it is the most cutting cutting-edge because that implies it i't know if it is the most cutting cutting-edge because that implies it is not quite around it, but so has done amazing. there is nobody i think, that anticipated that it would make the kind of progress it has. under this a ministration we are seeing basically solar move tenfold when moved threefold command we are seeing is more job growth in the solar industry than any other sector of the us economy. it is remarkable. there are other cutting-edge examples of knew technology that will be butting. the challenge is to recognize that we are moving away from incremental to wanting to send a long-term market signal that that is where investment should go.

we are seeing the investment in the power sector move but we have to keep the momentum which is what the president's intent is. >> a question. the budget amendment last week, to keep the epa from withholding funds for states that do not comply with the climate rule. >> we don't have the legal authority under this section of the act. so he so he is getting confused between a state implementation plan and this section of the clean air act which is a state implementation plan that is very different and that does not hold those same consequences.

this is a compliance system where we set the standard the state implements and the sources are responsible to achieve emission reduction targets. >> and if your plans are held up. >> at this.in time or after we finalize it? >> there are couple of things going on. many on. many things going on. some legal challenges that we feel are not particularly of significance because we have not finalized the rule. when we finalize it we expect it will be legally challenged and could likely go to the supreme court. that is what will make sure we do it to where way we are supposed to do it and follow the law and it will be legally followed and we're looking forward to that. i don't i don't think that there will be opportunities for folks to have a significant challenge because we have been doing the clean air act on time and having good success.

the supreme court has addressed the issue of carbon pollution. we want to make sure we get 4th when. >> are clean water rigs any easier? [laughter] now they are challenging in a different way. the challenge with the carbon pollution rules is it has become a political controversy which sometimes stops short of getting at the substantive issues. we are having to deal with those issues. it is just the fact that water is personal, important to every committee that is why we are doing it so we can make sure we're protecting drinking water supplies but we have to do it in a way a way where we have strong consultation with the state and recognize

that there will be folks out of the gate they're will be concerned about whether any changes made in some don't want the clarity that we are looking for we will deliver this in a style to have solid way both of them are challenging. we can do both and will. >> going back to your time in massachusetts what's it like to have litigation be a huge part of your job? >> it is challenging when you mortgage her house. they think i'm a serial something or other. under scrutiny just really know matter what we do.

it has to be top notch peer-reviewed, triple peer-reviewed. we do the job we need to do. it has allowed us to become more cutting-edge about the work that we do and helps us advance the science in many ways but means that we have to be prepared for the inevitable lawsuits. the keystone question. accusing the epa of significant distortions and omissions in reaching your recent conclusions. oil sands production. >> i have great respect for the ambassador but he should just we look at the common letter.

as much as he may have thought it was a conclusion, it was simply the normal way in which epa comments, to take a look at the analysis and to make sure people are looking at the changes in prices and what that means and to make the simple factual observation that the extraction of tar sands is more intensive from hgh emission standpoint than others and people just have to look at it. we did not conclude anything because we are not the concluded. >> with the keystone pipeline be a disaster? >> no i don't think that anyone issue is a disaster nor do i think there is anyone solution. everything has to be looked at, i think, in a way that continues to advance our interest in moving toward the low carbon future including opportunities we can take and sees to make sure we are we're moving in a direction that keeps jobs and makes us competitive. >> we thank you for sticking

with us and lifestream land. in the meantime my colleague has a question for you. >> hi, administrator. the epa climate rule are pretty huge part of what the us is going to do on climate negotiations. i would like to circle back on whether or not you guys are talking about what to do if the appeals court holds up your power plan will before you issue a final rule? is there some other thing you can say? >> we certainly don't expect that to happen, so i don't need a plan b if i am solid in my plan a. we know how to deal with regulation have been for 40 plus years no what happened in the 1990 amendments, 1990 amendments, what was supposed to be done, and we will deliver on that. the good news is everything

that the president is looking at in terms of the us commitment he has the authority to do it. in fact, epa has the obligation to do it, as the supreme court has told us. we just need to make sure we are following the law. we know it's a change in the international discussion and we can take advantage of that and people know that domestically we have done a great joint agreement with china. >> well, 1st of all, we have we have done one heavy-duty role.

that got the ball rolling. rolling. you can expect to see this looking to send him long-term market signal for the kind of innovation and progression that we are looking for. most of us think play duty vehicles are the big ticket item, but heavy-duty vehicles are huge emitters. in providing efficiency will not only drive significant reduction but will ultimately be tremendous for commercial benefit because it will lower the cost of consumer goods. i cannot give you details, but i'm looking forward to this having an expedited review so that we can get it out of folks. we have work strongly with the industry in all aspects. we did pretty good on light duty vehicles so far. the 2nd year and the requirements that we have

were ahead of the curve. companies are doing better than we anticipated. if we can have the same kind of collaboration and the same kind of pay off and consumers in the same kind of success working with the industry will he will do great. >> what is something that i can do to reduce my carbon footprint? >> you can buy one of the 30-mile per gallon vehicles on the road that a a tripled since we started taking these we will makings three times as many on the road today. >> the 30-mile per gallon vehicle. >> ford focus is one. [laughter] that was almost a big a big mistake. good thing i avoided that. [laughter] there are a whole lot of

them, and a whole lot of knew ones. you can buy an suv the fastest in terms of reducing their emissions. the fastest in terms of getting better mile per gallon of any model. you model. you can look at any vehicle and have that kind of performance and continue to drive the fleet average. i am pretty excited about that. they are all getting much more efficient. take a look at energy efficiency opportunities. basically explain to the utilities in states there are wide variety of opportunities other than looking at utilities themselves. they are actually game changers.

>> an example of something that i can i can do. >> i will give you a quick example. a lot of a lot of the states are supporting by providing rebates. those can be specifically designed energy star label. saving money. rebate in many states. opportunities for reimbursements or rebates or tax credits are incentives which is also a significant opportunity moving forward. >> something you have changed for given up in your life. >> i i cannot say i have given up anything. part of the key to conservation is not putting your sweater on the figuring out how you can reduce your energy cost other ways. because the better.

he was explaining to me how much money the navy spends -- i'm sorry saves by going to led lights on carriers because when you want to change a lightbulb it is not an easy thing and he explains how they last year's instead of months. >> in north carolina, have you heard of greed? >> no. you can tell me later. >> available at home depot. [laughter] >> a couple a couple of questions you may have heard a young person coming from boston. i would probably give the same advice just starting out for make sure that you

work hard understand that the pace is fast, have an ability to make decisions to the extent that you can and take a little risk in terms of all his always wanting to get the next out to be one that you are not exactly sure you can manage well but we will expand your horizons. >> you came up in state and federal government. >> that is a really good question. one of the things that i like to focus on his i like getting i like getting things done, getting them over the finish line. i think people underestimate that at every level of government the higher you get the more it there are hurdles and the more it is difficult, the more the bureaucracy can begin to take over and get in the way of the intent command you need to be dogged is much as possible so that you do not

let those bureaucratic hurdles get in the way of progress, nor let perfection get in the way of progress. >> not everyone gets as many e-mails as my colleague but everyone gets too many. what do you do to manage the incoming? >> one of the good things is to shift your position because then your e-mail gets changed. [laughter] unfortunately i still track my old e-mail as well. you have to have a team of people working on it with you. i do the best that i can to limit my response to e-mails to ones where i really need to get fully briefed on and make sure that my team works. part of works. part of the challenge of management is to not intervene in everything and

be focused. when i see something that come in on email that is not a high priorities i give it to one of my staff and trust them to do it and track it, but i am not doing other folks jobs. fabulous. and the staff knows exactly what they are doing. i could not be more proud of the people that work for that agency and command i don't feel like i need to micromanage anybody. >> he recently got back from the vatican. what role does the state play? >> i think it is a big a big deal. personally my faith gets translated in a couple of ways. i love people which is why i try to recognize that i am not taking it personally but i'm allowing another person to have a different opinion and respected. how they how they deliver it sometimes is a little difficult. but everybody has a right to think differently.

that is what that is what faith brings to you. i don't criticize anyone else. i have my own belief. we have our own idiosyncrasies. and i think in terms of my work my substantive work i think it was my understanding that natural resources are a gift. i come from the human standpoint. i love i love natural resources in terms of beauty and the variety of species but i recognize that is how we live, part of our health command if we do not protected we are damaging our ability to continue as a species and live healthy. it's a big part in what i do for a living, and i think the pres. has done a a wonderful job of articulating the challenge of climate change in a moral context and that is why i

went to the vatican to make sure the vatican knew that the united states of america was taking action, our president made this a moral commitment and we wanted to work with them to make this a message of urgency and hope. >> what was the coolest moment at the vatican? >> i had so many. i actually was privileged to go into what they call the rim of tears which is where the cardinal who is chosen to be pope goes from the sistine chapel to have a quiet moment before they actually it's not an oath of office, whatever, take the pledge. [laughter] that's awful, isn't it? i should have listened a little bit more carefully. but it was just amazing to be they're.

all of the vestments one by popes are all caps there command you can see the kneeler where the pope says prayers. was a humbling moment and one that made me realize how long of a journey the catholic church is gone through and just how amazing and frightening and must be to take that challenge on. it was very cool. >> the other end of the spectrum, you have been on the daily show. >> that was really scary to. [laughter] >> what was that like? >> it was fun. it it turned out to be fun. i was told not to be funny which for me, which, for me, sort of feels like it cuts my right arm off. in any serious situation funny things come into my head and i try hard not to let them come out of my mouth. other times i enjoy it. it turned it turned out to

be a really fun opportunity. he is funny command it is hard not to engage with them in a humorous way. >> just to explain they really do give you that. the idea is to let the host be funny. >> they say if you are naturally funny it's okay. it was okay. >> you go to dunkin' donuts but you don't eat doughnuts. >> that is the truth. i am from massachusetts the headquarters. i am pretty obsessed with it but they should get away from those styrofoam cups and i we will keep annoying about that. when. when i was a little kid my mother was a waitress. when i was about 13 she worked in a donut shop in town. one of the gifts that keeps on giving was training on how to work give me up at 330 in the morning and were going to the background.

one of the lovely things making the doughnuts. it is not a pretty picture to make donuts and commanded sort of made me realize that they can be wonderful but someone else should eat them rather than me. >> what do you get? >> coffee. some coffee. >> we are about to get the hook, but i cannot let you go without reminding you of the red sox fan motto there is always last year. what is your level of optimism? >> well, last to 1st. now we will have to do it again. i can make any specific predictions because i'm still reeling from my march madness choices.

not very good. >> do you have anyone left in your final for? >> no which probably makes it worse than not very good. >> what is obama like? >> he is incredibly engaging he is funny and he is more wonky than i ever thought that he would be. he understands the substance of things going around which makes it challenging because i much prefer bosses you do not. [laughter] just kidding but he is very personal and great to talk to. ♪ what have you learned from him? >> watching -- washington is the most challenging place for me and in my career to not take things personally because for my entire career i have managed to keep my home was very separate from my work life even in

massachusetts. i don't think my husband knew anything that i was doing other than making money and going to work and not making enough money. but people now, everyone knows and it makes it more challenging for me to separate but he manages to do it and keep a smile on his face and keep focused on progress, moving forward not whether we won or lost the last time but what we have left to do. ..

i love someone who says that. how easy is that common straightforward and i can make recipes at home. julia child i could never do that but i loved her dearly. >> preparation. >> what else have you learned? >> that's a really good question. preparation, safe steps. one thing i learned that i didn't know before is you should get all the stuff out the greeny to use it and it saves time and if you follow a recipe it actually comes out good and over time you can figure out how to wing it. >> i would like to thank all of