he was rather funny and peculiar, and that he talked -- he didn't sit and talk like a normal person, he sort of talked like he was doing shakespeare. and, you know, you think of -- he's from minnesota or wisconsin or some rural area. i knew he hadn't grown up reciting things in such dramatic form. i just thought, what a weird unusual performance. it's like he was performing even though he was in a holding room, a greenroom-type situation. c-span: in all your work on the brady bill, did you ever see him again? >> guest: no, we ran into him out in california. nancy reagan had -- she had the reagan -- nancy reagan foundation, and she gave awards and she gave one to our -- at that time it was the center to prevent handgun violence. and we went out for that. and she had a tennis tournament, and charlton heston was there. and jim tells the story even better than i do. he walked toward us and he saw

jim, and he raised his head and walked away. and only one time, when he was kind of forced into saying -- he looked down and said, "hello mr. brady," and walked off. and there was never any kind of friendliness. c-span: the picture on the cover of the book is what year? >> guest: early -- probably '82 -- i mean, '92. c-span: we're out of time. it's called "a good fight." sarah brady is the author. thank you very much for joining us. >> guest: thank you. it.

>> slavery and to new york in 1827 but there is a strong sentiment in favor of the itself for long-term after that. why is that? what is this connection with new york and the southern states? >> this is something not emphasized. i'm a new yorker as you well know and we don't emphasize this in the view of our own history. new yorkers pride yourself on being a basket of liberalism, of tolerance, multicultural city. it wasn't like that in the first part of the 19th century. first of all slavery was a vigorous presence in new york in the colonial era and it lasted as you said until 1827 and even after that they were slaves on the streets of new york's. southerners visiting the city were allowed to bring slaves with them up to nine months until 1841. there were still slaves visible on the streets of new york but

the key thing is new york was economically tied to the slave south. new york merchants could hold the commentary. new york backers financed and finance slavery in the south. shipbuilders build built the ships and the insurance companies. the most important southern monthly periodical before the civil war, which was actually published in new york city said new york city is as, depends on slavery as much as -- does so the economy was very closely tied to that of the south and that led to ratification. ..