significant wildfires or the kinds of storm surges that we saw in hurricane sandy, well, the public health cost as well. and we're ultimately going to be better off being pro-active duty out in front of this thing as opposed to reactive or we pay a whole lot more in pain and suffering as well as in terms of trying to do with the backend of the problem. thank you, everybody. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> and that was present obama yesterday. today we are live at the atlantic council to hear from morocco sport affairs minister. is coming to discuss combating violent extremism. is comes will be followed by a panel discussion but we expect this to get under way in just a couple of moments live here on c-span2.

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he says social networking creates false communities. you can see his comments at 7:00. >> my name is peter pham director here at the atlantic council. on behalf of the atlantic council chairman aeschylus mcauley, ambassador frank richer donate, director of the atlantic council rafik hariri center for middle east, it is my honor to invite you. i essentially want to acknowledge the presence of the ambassador his majesty, king of

morocco to the united states, a good friend and like its predecessor member of the atlantic council. i also want to welcome all of the distinguished guests we have amongst us and thank you for making time to join us on this morning. this event takes place on the eve of the u.s. morocco strategic dialogue. of course, we at the atlantic council are very gratified that this important institutional framework for strengthening bilateral relations between our two countries is not only up and running, but now in its third year appears to be prospering. a little over a year and a half ago on the eve of the summit between president obama and king mohammed the sixth, the africa noted in its brief on morocco's vital role in northwest africa security and development that having proven remarkably adroit at managing domestic and regional challenges in recent

years the kingdom was now poised to play an even greater role regional security and development progress and is less also played an integral role in helping achieve u.s. roles -- goals on the african continent. subsequently on the eve of the historic u.s. africa leader summit, mcauley, ricardo larae fairmont and i unveiled a report on the emergence as a gateway to business in africa and more recently and report on morocco's political transition authored by my good friend karin nesson on highlighted in unique opportunity that morocco has been carrying out simultaneously political and economic reforms. with so much of north africa and the middle east still in battle in the wake of the so-called arab spring the security and cultural track of this week strategic dialogue will be of particular importance.

the former will undoubtedly examine strengthening cooperation on the anti-danish coalition in which morocco is laying an import role. morocco's participation, the arab league joy for us have multidimensional efforts to counter extremism. the last topic overlaps with the cultural and educational track and we will be the subject of today's panel. we originally planned to have his excellent b. saleh kick off the discussion today, but the minister has been impeded by having to do with other regional challenges and will be arriving for the strategic dialogue. we are fortunate indeed honored to have his deputy mark avoid delegate of foreign affairs and cooperation of the kingdom of morocco. train to think of the rally of independence party and morocco and was elected as the youngest member of the moroccan parliament, the house of

representatives from the commune of onset and casablanca in 2007. during the 2009 2010 parliamentary session, when i first had the pleasure of making her acquaintance mbarka was the chair of the committee's national defense and religious affairs have been served two years previously as the vice chair of the finance and economic affairs committee of parliament. she is also represented rocco in the euro mediterranean parliamentary a century and in june 2000 was also elected to the city council of grand casablanca. on the international level, she has been a young global leader the world economic forum and since tony levin served as vice president of the interparliamentary forum for democracy among other distinctions. please join me in giving a very warm welcome to your excellency, mbarka bouaida, minister delegate for foreign affairs and cooperation.

[applause] >> thank you dr. pham for giving me this opportunity to speak today on me and myself and my friend i'm such an important topic. in fact i think ladies and gentlemen, that today we should he very careful and humble when it comes to speak about counter extremism. unthinkable acts of violence are taking place everywhere in the world at this moment. in fact atrocities, which we witness leave us in the powerless bystander position. this barbaric act like ones most recently seen in kenya or like just before in tunisia

affect a majority of innocent civilians and inflict entire populations inside the creation of factions amongst people. for this reason alone we cannot let the atrocities being carried out in violence and even less go unpunished. it is our responsibility to fight as much as we can against ideological derivatives and sectarian-based violent extremism. the word and i wait my words, the responsibility is globally shared. but is this enough and importantly i don't think so. this phenomenon cannot be combated in the repressive way or through legislation allowing or through state measures that do not take into account neither the regional nor the

international environment. what is needed and required of us is to provide considerate solution and voice the helpless and indoctrinated young adults believe that violent extremism is the solution to their grief an option that only benefits minority groups based on violence. morocco of course has a total candid nation of all forms of terrorism and violent extremism and also racial and ethnic stigmatization no matter the rationale. the commitment of my country is continually being put forward by our growing support for cooperation and by our expertise and helping to find a collective response through strategies aimed at preventing the back

grant. and is protecting a phenomenon that we will be able to contend an acceptable magnitude it has reached. morocco has initiated unprecedented action plan called burbach satisfaction in 2012 that proves the national, racial or british as teacher and is a plan that calls for the collective engagement for the promotion of tolerance. within the framework of this action plan fast will host on the 23rd and 24th of this month the first-ever religious leader summit aimed at the prevention of discrimination or activity or violence. and third, the leadership of his majesty king mohammed sixth was also the commander of the faithful, the highest religious and spiritual authority of

morocco religious field underwent reforms in response to the terrorist attacks of morocco in 2003 and 2011. this reform with the modernization of the entire religious field to the supreme court or the supreme council on the entity with the legal right to enact revision decreed on various issues including social issues. mosques on the other hand remain a place of worship and a fallen under the supervision of religious affairs. under the same religious reform and in full respect of the role of women in combating extremism the female core of religious seekers was put in place in 2000 i who carried the mission of promoting to moderate islam. to help this and to attend the

largest number people religious radio and also tv have been created to promote religious education in different programs actually, media programs. the objectives of such reform is to fight against radicalization and extremism in poor countries. as a result of a successful reform, several african and european countries expressed their desire to benefit from the singular and unique program that we have been offering for the last few years. and fact, in 2014 the mohammed six institute for imam training, for integrated last week commenced the training program for 500 piedmont. this three-year training program has been expanded to countries such as mali new guinea,

france, multi-and others. it is in this way my country is able to contribute to the fight against violent extremism in order to do with the rising instability phase for africa and the middle east. however is necessary to complement the strategy with the global division that includes economy, growth and human development to preserve the cultural identity of each country. in the fight against violent extremism we cannot collect the importance of self cooperation amongst african countries and the importance for the use to benefit are the opportunities. it is in the sense that his majesty, king mohammed six gave a new dynamic to the relations between morocco and sub-saharan african countries in order to

enhance exchange, economy cooperation and solidarity health, education and religious cooperation. nonetheless, the situation in the south to remain on various fronts insight as to increase our cooperation and this will further the benefit of all. morocco recently relaunched a call in mali to come together and find a compromise that will respect its sovereignty of the country with no extra all interference of other countries or from other countries. in this sense of reconciliation and compromise, my country host the injured baby and dialogue under the office of the national nations with the object did i've including the different parties to the union. morocco stands ready to host new rounds of negotiation if it is

deemed necessary. our object that is to restore peace, stability and development, not only in libya but in the maghrib region as a whole. ladies and gentlemen, allow me to highlight that all of this affords the human dimension is not put at the center of every strategy and public policy. democratic that have taken place across the maghrib must continue their translation by including an evolving human rights principles as morocco has done and continues to do. this principle for human rights are no longer an option but rather a factual element that implies responsibility of all of us in respect of the rule of law. it is for the respect of the rule of law has several laws have been coded and implemented in morocco to fight against terrorism. since 2003 to know his strength

in the judicial framework which continually adapts to the current context and example of the adjustments made to deal with the return of the homeland. the introduction is necessary in samurai and the moroccan authorities were able to dismantle over a 12 year period more than 100 terrorist ready to carry out attacks or to recruit for yourself abroad. it is this very strength that pushed us to maintain permanent vigilance and more particularly the mounting of isil in the middle east which continues to run aground. it is also for this reason like many other partners that morocco is part of the international coalition against isil and contributes to fighting against the barbaric acts of this group by housing the flow of foreign fighters. it is in this sense we hosted a working group on this project last december in addition under the global counterterrorism

foreign, my country cohost with a dutch partner and initiative on foreign fighters. we reaffirm our total commitment to implement and respect security resolution in this topic, the arab league resolution and of course all other relevant resolutions to counter violent extremism. without going into further detail on the actions that morocco undertakes, i would like to conclude that underlined the importance of carrying out combat against all and let him between religion and violent extremism, resulting in the total rejects ending comprehension of violent extremists. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you very much mr. delegate for your comments

and for helping set the stage for not only our discussion today but are following up a strategic dialogue in the united states and morocco over the coming days. it is our great pleasure pleasure for me to introduce another very good and dear friend, dr. auch made a body, secretary general of the mohammed plato scholars which is the senior council of religious scholars established by his majesty king mohammed the sixth. he also had a working group within the strategic dialogue on education, cultural issues. he previously served as director of islamic affairs and the ministry of islamic affairs in morocco as well as a very successful academic career after his doctorate in teaching at the university of herat university and marrakesh. he has studied also in talks at

two universities of the fulbright scholar in residence at depaul university and my alma mater, the university of chicago were gradually for me many years after i pass through those doors. i didn't have the pleasure of having him in class. it is a great pleasure to introduce a figure who has really done a great deal not only for violent extremism on the religious go to morocco, but throughout africa and increasing the is very modest about it in the greater middle east. doc turner 79. -- dr. ahmed abati. [applause] >> thank you. in such a great honor to talk about this intricate subject given the dynamics of any given discourse has genetically changed over the last years.

so the dynamics are not anymore what they used to be. and now the most rapid spread of violence and hatred is the one which is happening in the middle east through daish. this is what i would like to call it. this movement tried to hijack four major things. the most important hijack matter was religious. the second matter was the dream of unity. the third matter was the dream of dignity. and affords matter was the dream of purity. the dream of purity in the region back in the 1900s when some strategic approaches led to

the adoption of a new state in the region which is the saudi which is also why mohammed at the time. the dream that was brandished at the time which gave the impression that things would be directed to us and then years of would save the modern world from discarded issues. this is adapted by everybody and this became a dream. the dream that was then translated and then also adopted by movements in the region such as the other movements in the region. the stream of purity was not a sunni specificity. also a shia claim because they also were claiming the back of

the religious practice to purity, which is the knowledge of the defendant of the profits. so then there was a new arena of eight. everyone was claiming they are the ones who will realign this purity. in 1924 the ottoman empire collapsed. many countries in the region found themselves as offense and soon decisions were taken in istanbul. every decision was made they are and this sense, so far, which are circular received by the posh does in the region and implemented. this dynamic disappeared all of a sudden and people in the region found themselves in the situation. so the dynamic that was

triggered is looking for a father again, rebuild without thinking about ways to build and to rebuild. this was a dream of unity. they stream also was adopted by some other movements. the muslim brotherhood in egypt in 1929 26 and then 29 more officially claimed that they would know that the unity and the region by rebuilding and this came also a dream in the region. the third dream was the dream of dignity. people were witnessing the wasting of the resources in the region we now have been a share of that.

this was what triggered many movements in the region and the dream of unity was not a specifically of his islamists. it was also power because it was given a new alternative of unity to rebuild in the larger arab state in the region and this stream was then spent or then tackled in many other ways. i am saying all this to say that the daish now is trying to rico act all of those entities, all of those streams and brandished them if the invaders. people in the region were left with many disappointments. those who branded the slogans of unity did not realize it. those who brandished the slogans of dignity. those who brandished the slogans of purity combated the region to some very rigid comprehensions of the context.

and this was for everybody in the region. the daish transcended by claiming that it is dealing with individuals. you are married come to me. i will marry to the most tiresome beautiful lady in the world. come to me i will make you the head of intelligence in daish. do not come to me, i will make out of you a scholar, a true one, a pure one. dreams of purity, dignity and also where they are offered to stay and to expand. this is how they would say. they joined and made the junction with all of this by approaching the communication matter by a very high

proficiency. and now the true war is going on on the fibers if we do not get this, does that mean simply we are not fighting in the true arena. we are not rising that the true issues. and this starts from the construction of the discourse of daish to understand why they help all of this impact on the receivers, recipients of this discourse. they've developed some reciprocated items which they used as a rifle that they use to shoot the brain of society. it is very efficient at the same time. one, the issue of the conspiracy, accidental conspiracy. we are here to overcome.

we are here to realize the unity the united states of america the european union and our governors are not doing anything to fix it. so we will do it ourselves. comment help us in doing so. two, colonialism. great comedy should israel. four, the standard. five the iraqi ask any central african cocktail. name it. six the humiliation on the movies and media and so on. seven the trading of wealth. eighth, the value system infiltrations. we need to do something about that. and this is why when you witness their ways and especially when this recruitment is developed to

some frustrated, angry young males in the region with all of those appointments, with all of the anger that are internalized in themselves they are very prone to respond to the appeals and especially given the fact that there is some tangible state realizing the dreams of the existing unity and purity. if we do not tackle the content and deconstruct, if we do not train people to build up and allow them to deconstruct this discourse, then toward the battle is lost in dance. and to do so we need people who will not be dysfunctional. we need people to be hosting a man's compassion to realize all

the ugly of the fact that are going on there. this is why we need some very specific engineering to build up curricula and programs that are trained, efficient people. to give you some very rapid statistics, and eject you have 280 officials that are on the payroll and receiving in the region. but if we do measure the efficiency, how high is this efficiency? in saudi arabia you have 300. in the region you would have armies of those officials. it is such a waste to not read converse and to not build capacities among those people. but to do so, we need to be anchored both in the text of

knowledge it in context knowledge is if we just limit ourselves in the text, this will not do. if we limit ourselves in the context, this definitely will not do. and we need the shaping of some very appealing alternative discourse that would definitely be better presidents to counter this narrative. this definitely cannot be done in an official manner only. it needs to go and dig for the roots and this is why there is a crucial need to tackle the children i mention. i am talking about video games. i am talking about cartoons. i am talking about some wonderful colorful heroes such as spiderman, batman, name it.

the one who said with great power comes great responsibilities. so we need him and others who know how to comment help with those issues. i am talking about powerful video games, not just with violent content and that. i'm talking also about the education i mentioned. the youth need to appropriate to own the initiatives, not just to be dictated what to do. the youth are really bored with this very styled that we suggested them. each and every time on the discourse. they don't buy it anymore. so we need to have some very empowered icons use people who would definitely own the initiative and trigger some

fierce education and fierce initiatives to be there and influence efficient. also, the curricula in the training, talking about training of the mom the training of academics and knowledge. i am talking about training in the orders and training any other arenas that would consume a religious discourse, that this religious discourse needs to be definitely oriented to fix the problem, not create problems. which means that the religious discourse also need efforts. for this, we need scholars to do so. but without proficiency it will not definitely do. and this is why morocco when

realizing that the problem is multidimensional and definitely looks like a puzzle and each piece of the puzzle has its own characteristics. and we do not restrict ourselves from going as we can to tackle each link of the chain of this large problem to give proposals and solutions for each piece of the problem. but the moroccan experience in this regard, as my predecessor and friend mbarka bouaida said was handled in this approach and also very realistic. we need to take each piece on it so and then reengineer and start an initiative with the concern to bring together all of those pieces and to free in the end

the global image of the puzzle. this was done under the leadership of his majesty who happens to be the commander of the faithful. by the way, the commander in the faithful of morocco does not include muslims. it has also jewish systems that are there. we are having a christian president said we are dealing with it in an open way. we are trying to be as inclusive as we can because the wisdom of religion be at the end is not the specifically of one religion because this approach of recognition is very crucial to race back. commanding the faithful ensures the coherence between all of those links at the chain, the pieces of the puzzle. so we have choices and those choices are three major ones.

the choice of the rituals. they are in conjunction between text and context. sharif makes a conjunction between text and reason. and third cbs them which makes the conjunction between text and spirituality. those choices are very successful at that time because they influence the region sub-saharan africa, but also the middle east region because the order raised in morocco spread out and this is what conserved the very vibrant relationship of morocco because they shared those three choices. and then, institutions why we have five dimensions along with the commander of the faithful.

we have the high council of scholars which issues proxy minis with citizen and ensures a permanent strain for the moms. we do 50,000 of them twice a month to talk with them to discuss with them, discuss definitely but i do embrace the opinion that says it is worth. and then it tackles the font was. talking about the prayer passing the pilgrimage. this is in the books and you are just bringing it up again. but fatwa is something that is new and requires jihad. this may generate some chaos. so this is the first to mention

besides the commander of the faithful. the second dimension is reflection and research. this is ensured by the institution i have the honor to moderate which is the mohamed dia scholars. we have five special unit that do research in specific domains such as combining violent extremism and so on an education in producing cartoons that are not just trying to descend tangible and factual deliverables. the third dimension would be the training of scholars and imam. i am talking about the new center of training imam.

and i'm talking about building capacities in those domains. the fourth dimension would be the sub three borders. because in morocco and in the region of some infiltration that would have political nature, but would use the proximity in the approach of the respect that the defendants of the fatwa and the sufi borders in the region, which would definitely disturb the equilibrium in the region. and i am of the opinion that says there should be some mutual respect between those branches of islam and some mutual recognition between those branches of islam, but with the total respect of the specificities of each one of them. the last but not least a mentioned would be the dimension

of trying to ensure this coherence and harmony between those components. and this is the major role of the commander in the faithful. this is what his majesty does and iraq's to be god in the country. -- to be done in the country. but we can't claim is that we are tackling it. we are aware, as my friend, deputy minister mbarka bouaida said that that is a quite intricate and amalgamated but we are confident that we shall overcome. thank you for your attention. [applause] >> i would like to switch to our

panel discussion on the presentation by dr. steve grant. we are delighted to have these two in particular join us. there is a middle east program at the stimson center just calms and has the religious working group within the task force of the middle east strategy here at the atlantic council can't survive long and distinguished career in journalism, was the first american journalist posted back in her ran since the time of the islamic revolution, the author of three books on religion islam and politics especially one that is quite prophetic a decade before the arab spring on egypt. stephen grant is the executive director for the middle east --

task force on middle east strategy at the atlantic council and also comes of a distinguished career of other things tanks as well and brings us his particular expertise as well. so welcome to both of you. just turn it over to jeanette. >> thank you so much. thank you to both of you for such wonderful comments and for great insight into what morocco's success story is. i think this event is particularly important because we often hear about the failures of countries to counter violent extremism. today we carry success story in all of its great detail. before i ask a few questions, i just want to highlight some of the points that were very important that were mentioned by or two per chicha speakers, one of which is the value of training local actors in the

academic approach to religious interpretation and i think that is particularly important because here we are sort of 30 years after the evolution of what we know now to be modern political islam. many countries have tried this. we have egypt is the most primary example where a state has tried to have some sort of association with an institution of religious scholars so that there is some compatibility between what the sort of official interpretation is of islam and what people understand on the street. as was mentioned, the book that i wrote about egypt was actually how the street interpretation of popular islam became more prevalent than actually the state's official interpretation, the official orthodoxy of egypt and that is why there was sort of a disconnect between what was

the official more moderate interpretation of islam being cracked this in egypt over 25 years and was interpreted ministry. i think that this point is very important in the value of trying, as we say not control the message, but managed the message. i think it is also important to note that here in the united states actually 10 years ago a group of religious scholars in california began our road seminary in the united states which is now affiliated with the university of california berkeley. it began from a scholar by the name of he and yousef was a convert. so this notion of training and of educating religious scholars say this is a very important one and obviously, morocco is a great success story. the other point that is worth highlighting as her excellency pointed out is that the rocco

has always been very successful in reducing the number of foreign writers that are fighting in iraq and syria. this is another success story. we hear about countries that are quite surprising. tunisia, for example has a very high number of foreign writers that have gone to fight in iraq and syria, but morocco has been able to reduce the number of foreign fighters. i just wanted to briefly note a few points that dr. abaddi made. weekly speaking, it is very important idea in great detail explained to us that daish or isis did not develop out of a vacuum. there is the long history. i think the media has tried to persuade us that this movement developed overnight, that it developed out of a vacuum. as dr. tran said very eloquently explained, it has a long history and many other islamist movements have developed out of

these point that he mentioned, a need for dignity a desire for unity. what happened over the last 30 years is as these movements have evolved, they have become more violent. they have not only become more violent, but as he pointed out they have tried to return to an originalist sorted school of thought in islam that has been combined with the use of modern technology. and so it seems a bit of a contradiction, but actually we have seen the evolution of the movements try to return to the originalist school of islamic thought that he mentioned that refers to the first three generations of muslims after it is long found it yet they are using modern technology and its very combustible combination has produced this very violent

movement called daish, as he explained. the last point i want to highlight that this is also not just a sufi phenomenon. in the early days of the arab uprising, many of the clerics in iran, particularly as boswell how many emphasize the islamic awakening. there has always been this feeling among sunni and shia that there is a need for a pan islamic era that would unify the shia and sunni that would be an islamic awakening. unfortunately that has not happened in as was mentioned briefly, we have seen it. is that. in some man is really completely escalated the violence. so this need for some sort of pan islamic awakening has always been a dream if you explained, but unfortunately as a result of the arab uprising as a result

for a quest for identity for unity, dignity unfortunately these two communities within the islamic tradition have not come together. so i guess the question i would like to begin our discussion with -- should i turn to you? >> i will add some questions and go from there. >> the question i just wanted to ask is what do you think it is about morocco that has been able to succeed and achieve this kind of progress that both of you outlined that we haven't seen in other countries, especially in a country such as egypt, which as you have mentioned has a long tradition of the muslim brotherhood, other islamic groups, can you explain to us why do you think morocco has been so successful? >> i will respond to the

questions. >> thank you dr. abaddi for joining us today and for your very thoughtful and thorough remarks and for peter for putting this together and the deputy foreign minister for her very informative comments. as peter alluded to a part of the middle east strategy task force at the atlantic council is organizing in conjunction with a number of other experts, including geneva. we are trying to drive towards some sort of bipartisan consensus on the possible strategic approach going forward. all of that is to say i am in question mode, so really just a set of questions to maybe build

upon. and the first is that such interesting work with imam's -- including the work on curriculum reform and i would be interested in hearing a little bit more about that. in particular, what you are most excited about and what you think are sort of best part is the bad others can adopt, whether here in the middle east, in europe wherever it might be. the sac and is you talked about the need for passionate individuals. if morocco and other countries are going to counter the narrative of daish, that you need the independent-minded very creative very resourceful people that are committed to the cause. and i guess that is often hard in the region where politics and

religion are so tightly managed. i wonder if you could speak to that just the ability of imam in particular to be dependent voices at a moment like this where politics are so tightly held. and then it is clear that you see some positive things happening in morocco. i like to ask you your assessment and the rest of the region about that. where are you seeing promising things happening? are you concerned? as you look to partners where are you finding the most interesting partners? we have seen a number of numerous organizations write that. there is a council of religious alders. there have been some institutional change.

what institutions are you finding most promising and interesting? where do you see scholars coming together in a meaningful way to try to counter the messages of daish. and finally your assessment of the true trek to re-up daish over the long term. is this something we are confronted with for a long, long time? is this something that will grow bigger rather than smaller in the next decade? what do you see as its likely shelf life and how long will it remain a problem? >> thank you. thank you for those insightful questions. i would take it what you said earlier when you talked about the nuances between official islam and popular interpretation

of islam. this is a very crucial item because official islam because that was carried by functionaries who were there by functionaries, the belief i mentioned wednesday or was not salient enough, was not present enough. those institutions have official islam in the region suffered from forestry matters. the first matter is the stigmata of satisfaction. we are there. we are the scholars of islam and our best to mention proved it as the way we pronounce words through it and our organization also endorses it. we are there.

so there is no need for those institutions to tackle the comprehensions. i would like here to highlight the fact that innovation was also present since the 1900 when they were tackling the very specific issue, when talking about the scholars there is the need of renewal discourse and mohammed read the words. but this did not shake the fixated state of mind in mass to generate the change. it gave birth to son dynamics but those dynamics weren't enough. the holders of the dream of.

he produced some very simple, to not say simplistic scores that was comprehensible and was accessible by everybody. islam in the 1900s. after the rise of the state and an alliance with mohammed descendents, the discourse became very simple. so no scholars, no quotations. we can't have access to the text and then we have the authority to interpret the text. there is no need in arabic for the other signs of islam. just go in there and you will get it. you will have some organizations a big scholars who will assist you if you do fail and who will

produce some very excellent are stand. alternative is the author copy of cop that were there to reach a beautiful adopted by the imam, were not willing to go to the extended versions of the have knowledge of his own and this was their with the issues that daily life. this was is to was is the was is

to provide assistance to shiite. that can in that land socialists came in the region, this institution suffered official religion institution, that many sources -- it was not as present as respect it as they used to be before. the third is when in the late decades at the 19th century started to combat each other unfortunately they were brandished in the fact as well. you are on payroll. we are independent. we receive from the population and we do not depend on any other official institution. so we are free minded and you

are not is that he is the fourth stigmata was the fact as well this is done of offering dignity to those scholars were not the most efficient. the payroll was very poor and many of those scholars were trained to look out to complete the expense of the month as well not offered by these institutions. so this was not generating enough motivation in those institutions which which weekend i am now is as bad that

it is good that building capacity and empowerment in those institutions. we had the chance to be the far west before those wonderful events were discovered by the european and asian mind. the people were here and they were discovered by those mines the cultures as everybody knows 1492. ..

even some extremism in this regard, like to go into details but we made a difference and this is why they never came in morocco. so we have our own proper schools of thought in morocco. and also we succeeded in solving a very crucial problem which is the fact that she is and sunnis

are having this difference. the descendents of the prophet need to beacon power needs to be in power. this is a condition for the legitimacy of the power. and the sunnis would not care much about this but in morocco we have the descendents of the prophet and power from centuries ago. this is how it started. since then this wasn't the case. so we did not live -- lived, sorry, live in baghdad or in the of the capital of the region. even the of the capitals of the region. we have contributed along with these choices the three choices

i mentioned contributed installing some the problems are lived in the region. i do evaluate very much the atlantic council initiative, which is to approach the problem in a multidimensional manner to realize that there are links of the change in pieces of the puzzle, each piece has its own in engineering at its own architecture that needs to tackle on its own. and there is concern of harmony and coherence between all those pieces. but terms of talking your comprehensive wise. this goes along with research and collection of data and analyze data and then

construction of will could be solutions. this is what sometimes do at the end of the day but this proficiency that you alluded to is very efficient and definitely would make some difference in tackling the extremists issue. i also come in terms of the best practices, well, i'd like to highlight the fact that we do believe in the celebration of efforts in morocco. nothing comes easy so we need to construct it from scratch. and then have a passion to irrigate it and to look after. and to follow it up. we cannot just initiate and then leave it. we need to follow up. and for this at a certain point

will be suffering because we would like human resources. we would need to build them up scholars would understand both the text and its originality and in its details of course and also in the context in which this is to be implanted and make the junction between those two. the context has its own to be understood. it's very hard to find them in one person and this gave us many problems. because you many adjustments to do to make the text fit in the context without losing its originality. because been it will be attacked by those who do claim the dream

of purity. and this is what they are very good at. so we need to avoid it by making sure that his takes on celebration and respect for the people who do it. also, those people when we do train them, they are having offers from other countries from other places, and very handsome offers. so to conservative is not something very easy. so this is another problem that we are trying to tackle as well. and they would come from the windows of punitive. but in islam anywhere it is served, it is served but you do not need -- then we're in the era of internet.

i can work from distance and keep up with what you were doing, whereas now it needs some daily work. and this is why i do come to your second question which is passionate individuals. because there's passion in the other sure of is to the other shore of tahrir square to make it a little bit. passion is very vibrant there. and this is why it is very contagious. you cannot think such a pass and -- passion, used to be there and brandishing wisdom and imposing an attitude of calm and serenity which serenity is very

useful at some point, but well efficiency needs to deal with serenity. otherwise serenity by its own could be efficiency free, which is not the desired results. one of the wise people of our institution once said, you want -- do not send author's. send tigers. so we need some tiger trained goods scholars to go and talk with those tigers. because we to proceed, this is a pair when shipped, that needs to be performed, we do see this as a disease and comprehension and an understanding. because they simply are not getting it. they do have this very big desire for unity purity,

dignity. it's there and it's a fun. anybody has same desire but this is not the way. we need to be very good in demonstrating that this is not the way and give alternative. this is the way. and then it needs to do working on the field, to be touchable tangible, and this is what morocco strong to do. we're trying to say it's possible. look, we are not as i said there yet, but we are coming and getting to it. so this is why in morocco we do this, to come. and once you feed them well you pretend that you master the tax. let's verify this -- text. and hungry and lovingly we need to demonstrate they do not

master the text. these are the shortcomings. this is what they need to complete and we are here to complete this. to do that to be able to do that you need to give them authority otherwise nobody will listen to you. who are you to pretend that you would verify my knowledge of the text? and this is why some previous work was done which is to produce, to publish, to create initiatives, to present studies and propose solutions for the burning issues, talk about human rights in islam, talk about women's issues in islam, talk about extremism, talk about global warming in islam but in a very sound manner. this would be recognized, adopted by the masses. once you created this authority and you have a crew of scholars

that are charismatic and that do have men and women the aura to convince and to say verify and then to be listened to then you can start the work. so you need much recognition from them not to comment impose on. because the time of the state that would impose a scholar has been a scholar in those, he is not or she's not a scholar, is over. so now some touchable intangible authority that need to be dealt. then after this we work directive context to context is intricate among the masses and complex if i can what are your tools to decipher the context, to understand it and to know its dimensions? do you have the key to the?

that? what are the keys? i'm talking policy, economy history, all those keys that would allow you understand the context. then some respects and then we can talk. then we can talk but it needs to be danced before convincing those tigers to join the crew. also, as a question for last yes, there is hope in the region. because the awareness is there. we as humans, homo sapiens, we do have in our genes competitiveness. we like to measure ourselves against others. so moroccans are doing so we can do the same period well, and we love it and we cherish it.

we cherish it. this is what we are targeting as well. let's trigger some competition over there. and then people will measure themselves, look at your practices. if they are good it will be adopted coming, this is what we are aspiring for. we do not want in morocco ourselves to be redemptive. we just want to be a part of the whole dynamic in the world which happens to have -- from the extremely large to just large too tiny to three tiny. -- very tiny. there are some good practices. sometimes there are some measures of politics. it is this insulting of others intelligences from countries

aspire to instrument allies of the countries to prevail and to be the ones who were doing it and this is for the same of our country where we are putting our dollars in there so we need some recognition why you why them, why not me, you know. and this room said at some point. and this is why we need some psychological companion to make it happen. because this is not very easy to make. it take some expertise there. so good things are happening in the region but there is still some work to do. and it takes some very sound reality, but this sound reality should not take away from new hope and confidence. and this is another equation to solve, of course.

trajectory last question, yes. daesh is a mutated version of al-qaeda which is a mutated version of the muslim brotherhood, which is a mutated version of the wahhabi's and others choose to be in the region. you have a movement and shut the southern movement and the other movements that were quite alike with this slight difference that those movements claim to contain the secrets of the knowledge is of the senders of the profit. -- descenders of the profit. so in the region it is there.

daesh is a mutation of all those others and it has many ancestors in the region. daesh now has its efficiency because of three main factors. the first one is this addendum of fear -- venom -- that spread in the psyche of the world where as they are not come in the region there are 30000 throughout the world and in the fibers of the internet. you could count maximum some 2 million. we are talking a world of 7 billion of homo sapiens. the venom of fear just impeach you, stops you from taking initiative. because you lose over 50% of

their capacity, but ones with fear become rock with fear, then it becomes more dangerous to secure. and there are really relying on that. how to get away from the fear of them from psyche? we are not very accurate and satire. movies in hollywood could do but you're not spending a billion dollars in the direction. video games could do, which were not doing in our job and just restricting ourselves with very serious format of, you know, discourse, which is not -- [inaudible] so the first factor is a factor of fear. the second factor is the mastery

of the new technology. it's like me talking from using the mic and having an argument with my friend back there without a mic. i would be heard where as she would not be heard. so we need to provide her with a mic because she might have something more interesting than what i am saying right now. so empowerment is a solution to this building off capacities. and for this we need to engage you dynamic that would convince people who are professional to join this and i think the white house summit that happened last month, last month, yeah, as a matter fact, triggered some of us initiatives. the third factor is the counter

narrative. counter narrative is very important because it tackles the content language, and we need as i said in the beginning to develop, to do so. so these are the characteristics of the joint project that you all of aspire to, and i would like to congratulate the islamic council tasha atlantic council to have triggered these initiatives of studying the issue from those from a complement to perspective. thank you. >> before turning opening up the discussion let me just pose one additional question for you. the efforts that you've outlined are primarily prophylactic in the sense that trying to prevent

the spread of violent extremist ideologies or perhaps to counter the argument. but there are unfortunately some however small number who've already gone over to the other side. and you have given us hope that some point in the future daesh will be defeated and then we have these people who went over and we can't jail them all. what do we do with them? i think one aspect of what morocco was doing, i would invite you to say a few words is what to do with reintegrating those who have gone over and converting them back, if you will? just a year ago they came and went to tangier the mosque of mohammed who maybe people don't know but, of course, was used to preach to the mosque in hamburg at the 9/11 attackers went to but he's an example that perhaps is not as well but there are

many others of course. could you talk about the process of bringing back these people? >> thank you, peter, for raising this. i would like to come back to one question which was is it to grow for daesh. the seats are here and those seeds i mentioned, i mentioned need to be initiated to a loss topping of the spreading of those seeds. because they grow and process is there. especially minister mbarka said if we do not integrate the other languages, social economic sectarian dimensions of the dimensions to stop the process but the seeds are there and they definitely to spread unless there are even more efficient more reality.

that would rise and give some other venues to this. reintegration, peter, is capital of course. and this is what i was alluding to when i said tigers need to be recruited, to doctor tigers. and this is what i alluded to when i said we needed to take paradigm shift to counter this phenomenon the disease that we can cure. it's a disease in comprehension and understanding and approaching, and we need to present like when you're trying to prove that some water is polluted, you need to produce some pure water in exchange. to be picked up instead of the of the water. and this water should be delicious, should be, you know all the characteristics that will allow the picking up of this initiative. we were inspired in morocco by

what was happening in the addiction fields. the most efficient agents to combat addictions were the former addicts. those people -- [inaudible] the conviction to do the combating of addiction would be the most efficient. and this is the same for the former fighters, or foreign fighters to very articulately recommend that we have professionals, this would work with those people rather than just put them in jail. we definitely need to extract the network and the names to prevent a dangerous, but also we need this work to be done as well. they would be efficient and this is what you have in morocco with

many of those former fighters in morocco. just one example. we have some other undercover who are operating very efficiently in this field as well. but this definitely takes -- once you follow the experience of former fighters, you would see the curriculum and the training or bide to those people are not the simplest but they are very fruitful. so it is worthy to invest in this area. >> thank you. let's open it up to questions. not only for dr. abaddi but also dr. graham. the kind identifiers of as well. -- the kind and identify

yourself as a. >> hello, thank you so much for your comments. and the information you give us today. i'm from american university. my students are here. i have a question because you mentioned religious education we education counter narratives. but what has morocco done in terms of economic empowerment and development? you mentioned people might be drawn to some of the messages of the violent groups such as if you don't have a job, come join us, we will make you workforce. so can you talk a little bit specifically what has morocco done in terms of economic empowerment for both women and men in morocco? and then also how does also rule of law change the project has been done in morocco in the past years? and finally my third question i'm sorry, it's about funding. so we know that a lot of funding that goes to violent groups such

as isis comes a lot of countries through internet or organizations in different countries. can you tell us what morocco has done to make sure that the funds are not channeling through morocco? thank you. >> thank you. on behalf of of my friend peter and on behalf of the atlantic council, i welcome our students who are here today. you made my day actually. everybody is important, but students are definitely come we all agree upon that the hope and the future. in morocco after the unfortunate events of 2003 his majesty the king initiated a new initiative which is the international initiative of sustainable government. and this initiative started in

the most deprived areas of the nation. this is where it started. varies cities, and very important were mobilized for this issue. if you're asking my opinion how was it the governed, i would say not in the most perfect manner or way, but it started and now we're aware that they didn't go as it should be going and this is why a new great responsible lady was appointed last night to follow up this along with an observation word that was

initiated for this purpose, to make the follow-up in detail and to make this money be spent on some virtual projects. it is taking an awful lot of energy but the process is there and the awareness is there too. we have witness that there is an organization -- some architecture is one of the fastest when we do build cities without playgrounds, without gardens, without green spots. this generates frustration. humans need to be in proximity with the beauty. this is the bottom line of any beauty and happiness. it's from religion or a form of rigidity is generated

frustration, and this means simply that it was not understood in the right, popular way. so this i mentioned which is a quest that image of beauty and would you call in morocco the places of life, to allow a decent style of life and decent education and decent prosperity that would be realistic, produce some service in this dimension. young people need to play. they need to have fun. they need to learn. a need to interact. and we need to assist them with this, but making it there, much much dictating needs to be done. also funding for the projects

witnessed a new form of creativity. because many funds were launched for this reason to can the most famous of those funds is the mohammed the fifth foundation. there's a wonderful lady, once again, this is not a coincidence because creativity with our ladies of course, doing a wonderful job in this regard. we are not there yet i do confess, but the work factors in. we're trying to do our best. funding for , of course economic intelligence is one of forms of efficiency in any security approach. if we like this intelligence it's a very dangerous. and this is why in morocco we've

had, this is in conjunction with your question about the change of flow you are aware that three years ago the commission was launched to reform justice the system of justice and this is a great, heavy work of course. but we have some text about combating terrorism and about having the right to follow up with bank accounts and so on to discover those activities. and i can say that we have some initiatives and funding al-qaeda before and daesh now in morocco. >> over here. >> thank you very much dr. abaddi. i'm with iraq an american center. i think that you made clear today in your presentation what we really have here is a battle

of ideas at the end of the day. i fear that there's a certain skepticism both in the united states and in europe about the prospects of winning this battle of ideas, in part because i think it's not very visible to people here in the u.s. or in europe. what is that people in the muslim world are doing themselves to take on this battle of ideas. the few share that point of view, what do you think can be done to provide some encouragement to people in the u.s. and in europe that indeed you are tackling this battle of ideas at home? >> simply say not an invitation to anyone or decide to come by and see and maybe give some piece of advice.

but talking ideas, it is definitely based on training, on time investment, and money investment and also engineering of the approaches. it as you cannot conduct a reflection on a problem that will take for me as an individual 250 years and -- [inaudible] the government i mentioned, all the things you know these the very crucial dimension. because this is why we are talking about a work that would be may be delivered in one year without taking 300 person years. because then it will outsource and it will be done by the many

constituencies that have collaborated and given birth. so governance i mentioned is very important. governance definitely indicates the crucial necessity to know how to ask your questions, and we need some verification system and processes to verify if the questions are really likely post. because sometimes you can ask pose a wrong question, and a we take from you years thousands maybe millions of dollars without any results. so this link which is how to ask and pose questions is very crucial, talking about ideas. what makes daesh appealing is

that they just -- hijacked of them and formed a geographical actual, tangible piece of land using the region to market the fact that, well, they are doing it. they are providing unity and purity and this is islam without hypocrisy. those ideas at the end of the day. so we need to provide counterbalances as well. and this definitely passes through asking the right questions and having the decent efficient capacities to answer those questions. the and implementation wise,

this government takes some challenge. because to communicate some idea you cannot anything think some pluck it out techniques. you cannot just produce an idea and just put it on the shelves. you need to market it. and to market ideas you need to have some very good disposal to do so. and it takes also some ideas. this cannot transcend the capacity of the world, the free world, the muslim world could be a partner in this. but we need to be aware of the fact that those are at the end of the day ideas that are being in the fiber of the net and invading the psyche of young desperate youngsters. and, of course candidates to be recruited by those ideas.

>> thank you. my name is danielle and i'm a student at new york university. my question, i don't know about asking the same question as the person before me but in a non-muslim country such as the u.s. or other european nations how do you combat the rising number of fighters going to syria and iraq joining daesh? because i know that you mentioned before that barack was a lot of social programs that help to educate young scholars, imams. but how do we translate that to countries who don't necessarily have come you know a muslim background or muslims system in their country? >> thank you for this very timely question.

because this requires another counter narrative, the context is different. but this definitely passes through the discourse that is being adopted by daesh to recruit among those people. they use guilt for this. they will talk about colonialism. they will talk about the invasion of the west to the rest of the world and that you are free citizens of the west you need to do your duty and serve in the ranges of freedom to free the world. we need to produce counter narratives that will definitely

face those items that are used to recruit youngsters from west as well. >> and the challenge now also of course is the power of social media. and if you look at even recently these two young well teenagers, who went through turkey to join isis in syria they were informed by social media. it's a big, big problem. as you point out social media has no parameters. there's no real way to patrol. there's a big discussion even in the private sector of trying to shut down twitter accounts. and as was mentioned, it's not just isis. it's salafis, all sorts of other nonstate actors who have real active media accounts. they have millions of followers. some have 12 million followers. so it's almost uncontrollable

unfortunately. but it's do this kind of messaging, and as was pointed out how do you counter that? is a big challenge. because their microphone to the metaphor is much more powerful than anybody else's microphone. but it's a big problem as with social media. >> of course, of course. >> thank you dr. abaddi, for your presentation. i would like to ask you if you are eating institutional multilateral cooperation in the region to produce what you have so rightly called this conceptual and intellectual agreement to fight ideology of the daesh? i do also agree with you when you said that it's all good enough for a tiger to roar if it can't be heard through social media. so what is being done to close this gap, this aberrant gap and

know-how in the use of social media precisely? thank you. >> of course i will start by your second point of the question. it's computer engineer simply. we need our units of computer engineers in our universities throughout the world to be aware of those challenges. and definitely look at programs to fit in the new challenges and the new context. so it's a professional work. yes, passion is present in all those initiatives, but it's professional and it needs to be funded. it needs to be reengineered to respond to those challenges. of course, the element of appeal is crucial here.

you can have the most professional people in the world in social media but if this course is not appealing, they will be beaten. because you can have some very simple tools and monitoring is but yet appealing, this would definitely beat the most professional if they are not appealing. as for your first part of the question, i cannot pretend now in the region there is some serious work about deconstructing the discourse and providing counter narratives as efficiently as we would hope it to be. but we are at least trying to do our share of the work. at least let's say it's possible possible. or the american their inefficient slogan yes, we can.

>> one more. right there. >> thank you very much, dr. abaddi. i work with search for common ground and we are parting with you in morocco and very much share the perspective that you bringing today. you know when we use this word counter narrative we are often mistaking it for a narrative that is trying to demonize the other side. that's what's refreshing with what you're saying is that it's actually recognizing that the people attracted to daesh are trying to respond to real needs. for dignity and forget the center. and my question is how quick continue this defective work in a context where other actors operating in the same environment are choosing to use violate our kinetic force and actually further sort of demonizing and inexorably contributing to the narrative that attracts more people to

these groups? so how do we continue and ensure there's effectiveness in what we're doing to address these causes juxtaposed with other actors that are using violent force? >> thank you. success has a tremendous tremendous and delicious taste. once we do taste it we get addicted to it. so in such instances we downplay need to generate some samples to taste it. and just by fraction the stages of job to work and make it possible to taste some of the outcomes of what you're doing because it allows you to gain confidence about what you're doing. whereas if you just let it grow and grow samples to be tasted

demonstrated, then it will be very hard to continue. this is why the approach should be based on this to make it possible to evaluate and to measure through indicators how successful we were in tackling the issue. and this is what provides sustainability in tackling the job. >> thank you very much. please now join me in thanking not just dr. abaddi but doctor grant, as well as minister mbarka bouaida for the time today. [applause] spirit of ago dr. abaddi's last metaphor, if there's any left there should be some more rock and delicacies outside if there

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with meeting people and having to a campaign event this afternoon. a look now at conservative messaging for the 21st century political commentator and author bill whittle address and i guess that the conservative form of silicon valley. looking at ways concerns can reach young voters using pop-culture in making political candidates more appealing. >> tonight's featured speaker is bill whittle, is making his second visit to the conservative forum. his previous appearance was in may of 2013 just under two years ago. that was a few months after the electoral disaster of november 2012 when barack obama was returned to office for another four years. at the time of his visit, i was still depressed. bill had a nice metaphor for what it happened in that election.

he said it was as though the captain of the titanic after realizing an iceberg had gouged a hole in the ship, backed up to take another run at the iceberg this time with a head full of steam. i think that was the first time i'd left since about november. of course the election this past november, 2014 when a little better for those of us here tonight. and i'm pleased to be able to welcome bill back at a more auspicious time. a time when conservatism is not exactly in the ascendancy as at least no longer is a defensive crouch. a time when voters have decisively rejected the status free spending policy of the left. a time when our leaders could be worse than to look to people like bill whittle for ideas. a visit to build website bill whittle.com, reveals a wealth of such ideas. he has posted videos on such topics as gun rights, education,

terrorism, the economy, ebola. i could go on and on but his great ideas are not just about better policies. he also understands how to communicate those policies and how to persuade those who did not currently support our principles to reconsider their position. he understands how the left has used its dominance over some of her most prominent institutions, entertainment, education, the news media. to fool young people into believing in a progressive vision of a nanny state that tells its own citizens what they can and cannot do but failed to defend its vital interests overseas. and he has some fascinating ideas on how to turn the tide to make conservatism not just write but cool. to make young people who fashion themselves as socialists realize that at heart they really are like the rest of us self

interested capitalists. a writer, blogger, film director tv editor an instrument rated pilot, bill is a man of many talents. but most importantly he's an articulate outspoken defender of conservative principles. please help give a warm welcome to mr. bill whittle. [applause] >> hi, everybody. i like to get this close to me in case i decide to pick up a little religion tonight, give me a chance to take a step back so i can hear how loud i'm actually been. it's a pleasure to back your. last time i wish i did realize how close i was to berkeley and is limited and i was somewhat surprised that my skin didn't burst into flames but apparently i'm just a degree or two women then it would be otherwise. it's great to be up here.

we have a large large problem ahead of us. many times we talk about problems in the real world we talk about the problems of demographics the problems of demographics in terms of the west's print, just demographically disappeared. we have a problem as concerts in terms of the demographics of the country. ever since things like civics and history were removed from high schools, history of the note today anyway, we face the fact that younger and younger and younger people are becoming more and more left wing. it's not an accident they are not taught about our founding principles because if they were they wouldn't be so left wing but cannot talk about them and so they are becoming more left wing. what we see would look out at conservative today is we see a group that seems to be getting old. this room isn't too bad that i've been a tea party that's where i looked out and the crowd, the average age is coming you know deceased. that's a problem. that's a serious problem. so in order to understand that

problem come in order to do something about the problem and in order to stop making traction with young people who are extreme conservative, we have to be able to understand something understand it's in our bones that we are reluctant to understand this. we have to understand people don't vote the way they think that they vote the way they feel. this is true for all of us and that's not a bad thing. i know people look down on that but our feelings are our core emotions, core values. feelings are what really drive our personalities. if people vote the way they feel and they feel bad about conservatives, then they will vote for liberals is because they don't like us. that's really the simplicity of the problem we find ourselves in today. we don't get the votes because we are perceived as being built. give you an interesting example. exit polling after the election of mitt romney, exit polling, not forecasting or models, people coming out of voting booths after the election in 2012 said that mitt romney won

significant on the issue they considered most important which was the economy. he won on defense, on job creation. mitt romney in exit polling after the 2012 election one on virtually every question that people asked with one exception and the one exception where he lost, lost i think something like 89% in favor of obama, was who do you think cares more about you? romney won on the economy, defense, jobs, who cares more about you? obama carried that with 89%, 91%, something like that and that's why they voted the way they did. mitt romney been turned into a villain. i'm up here today by the power of story because if we don't understand the power of story, we will never win elections again.

we are going to keep losing if we don't understand the power of story and we don't understand the power of pop culture. before mitt romney got into the fight he was the villain. people don't vote for the villains. best example was a movie called star wars. i saw on the roof of a station wagon in 1977. you see this tiny little ship the rebel alliance and this giant huge impact in this vast force fighting this tiny little group of individuals trying to escape. you get inside the spaceship and you see the individual rebel troopers and they are human beings with faces and their nervous and scared because they know they've got a big fight coming. the hatch closed at the end out comes these white storm troopers and plastic outfits looking like living skeletons with mask messages actual school to skeletons coming out of this red gaping hole killing individual people. after a few moments the seven and a half foot tall creature dressed in black with a black cape with a not held on with a

mask that look like a living skull and breathing like some kind of artificial monster robot steps out of the gates of hell out of turn to the person sitting next the isa i bet you that's the bad guy. i bet you that's the bad guy. you will not vote for the villain. you won't. mitt romney let himself be demonized and vilified. you can't until a fire so the all you can do is make the other guy a villain if he had shown what he was about then you would have to villains and people would have the choice of which one of these two villains has the best policies. that didn't happen because we don't understand the power of story. we don't understand the power of what they did when they said that mitt romney is a vampire who causes cancer in his employers, the ones to put women in binders and ship their lady parts to china. by the time the debate started he was already darth vader and the election was already over.

if we don't understand the power of this will never win again and i don't want to lose to these people. if we are going to lose to at least listen to people with machine guns and tanks are somebody you can respect them not these are common is? do we have to lose to these narcissistic weenies just because they can tell a story and we can't? no not me. not me. so we have to understand the power of story and we have to understand the power of how the left its its message into people's hearts. they don't do it the website don't do it through pamphlets or brochures. they don't do it through speeches. this may come as a shock to you but the young people who vote for barack obama have never ever ever listened to a speech of barack obama. i assure you that this is the case. they have never listened to a state of the address but if you ask them what his policies were they couldn't tell you. they voted for barack obama because jay-z and beyoncé voted.

and george clooney votes for obama. lady gaga and everybody be like and admire vote for obama so that's why to vote for obama. it's the power of the pop-culture but if you don't understand how powerful the pop culture is, i'm about to give you a short education. so let's play a little game. let's say i was a political operative and i had the kind of control over your brain space so that if i could start a sentence, start a sense, you could finish that sentence for me. ..