a deep coma like a consciousness. the reason that is important, it does not matter that they don't have analgesic properties because we know the will reliably induce a deep like a consciousness. those support for the ceiling for. the cited study in exhibit two shows the emacs curve explained his testimony. no explanation, no support for the testimony that he presented when he testified he did not have data to cite. he was incorrect. he made a mathematical error again to all of this court needs to understand is that given the drug even if it

announcers outside the u.s.. we have a chance to grow jobs tax revenues, infrastructure by expanding coal exports and i think it is a way to keep prices lower as well as create jobs, tax revenue for infrastructure. >> i was just handed the words

we have on that. the east coast ports alone by shipping 70 million tons. accompanies the own, manage, export commonwealth continue with long-range plans focusing on potential for your, asia, south america. >> glad to see the east coast. >> the coal, senator barrasso from wyoming we have opportunities from wyoming to miami and getting back to expansion. and recognized the low-sulfur content. >> thank you, madam chair. seeing such rapid change.

capability is increasing. and would you see as the role, to change the way we think about energy, change our generation needs to facilitate time shifting, move us forward to a very different kind of grid than what we have experienced in the past. >> thank you. storage could be a game change and costs are coming down, distributed storage which is very interesting and then of course transportation storage systems, batteries which might also be grid connected in the future so we are working on all

of those. arby eat has strong support in this area, we have established at our national laboratory, caesar looking get storage across the board with novel chemistrys to reduce costs and including storage and a lot of system modeling activities to see exactly how all storage can help us achieve our goals in ways that might otherwise be more complicated. we did report year-and-a-half ago on large-scale storage and integration into the grid. that is very important. i would like to add that the issue of consumer level storage,

distributed generation is beginning to the extremely interesting and can be yet another challenge to the utility business models that we have to look at. >> that is quite clear and i am encouraging utilities to get ahead of this which makes decisions about incorporating the business model because just look at making it more difficult for people to distribute on their homes, distributed solar, distributed storage at their homes the very unstable business model moving forward and it brings up -- both the cost of photovoltaic panels coming down quickly and, the energy storage changes we're seeing in the distributed market are fuelling a lot of change and

one of the things we need to see the ability of states to make accurate decisions, and state regulators have the tools that they need, the benefits and cost distributed generation and distributed storage so they can make accurate rate cases and this is an area where the last might help states accurately assess those costs. >> it is the wrong way to go and one of the major, one of the many recommendations in the qer 11 is we need to work and getting better valuation algorithms

all kinds of services including the distribution system. you alluded to distributed solar for example. we know what is going on with arguments involving metering and value to utilities and on the one hand there is the real issue of how do you value the connectivity that is still there. on the other hand how you value benefits to the overall grid system from distributed generation or efficiency programs. in fact another issue, another court issue is this question of how do demand side programs propagate back to considerations this is a critical problem and we certainly identify don't put the solutions forward but that

is something to work on and your idea of getting a focus on this would be good particularly in the we also proposed one of the major quote, down payment that we have in our f y 16 proposal budget to congress is grid modernization. grid modernization program we have put forward is not simply about seeing growth raisers on the high voltage line. the state grant programs, the whole set of issues. >> more data we have the better the policy decision. >> if you have specific policy ideas for directions we would love to talk about them. a critical issue.

>> i was pleased to see an emphasis on energy export terminals. cameron parish in louisiana, ground zero for that kind of thing and the original qer had increased funding to dredge the ship channel which will be so important two tankers go side by side that sort of thing but i am told omb full funding out. i am representing the state with lots of harper's. i look at a harbor maintenance trust fund which has more than enough to pay for all this and it is not happening so any thoughts as to the money sitting there? we are not emphasizing using the dollars raised in order to increase potential of the infrastructure that you emphasize in your qer? >> you have seen the cartoon we have in terms of the gap issued channel and the issue of keeping

up with inland waterways, problems in this case, dredging issues in that channel are obviously very important. of i can say is this administration is committed to trying to accelerate those. there was $60 million added for dredging specifically, which i understand would open up the channel appropriately. i can go back and look at that. that is my understanding. >> the oh facility in savannah or charleston, south carolina. >> national laboratory. >> there is a recent top line press release regarding aerospace corporation which was unfavorable to the project but also of line with previous reports from the corps of engineers being far more

expensive than suggested another it 30 years to completion as opposed to the years it has taken so far which is dependent on 65%. the aerospace's 50, contractors a 65. any thoughts on that? what experience of the aerospace corp. on those projects would be my first question and can we have some transparency as to their assumptions because in such a complicated project assumptions mean everything. >> we are happy to have transparent briefings. that is what we would like to do. a contractor quite frequently in terms of some nuclear projects. they do a lot of complex projects. >> i can see nuclear projects as the defense vehicle but that is

quite different. >> first of all it is a unique project. no one has look specifically at this project other than the contractors. i want to say when i came into this job i made it very clear that i wanted to be very transparent but also very straight forward and data driven. sometimes the results are not so pretty but when we look internally at this last year we came out with a full life cycle costs north of $30 billion. that in fact lead to the idea of going out for independent contractor to look at that. the increase, $30 billion in addition to that that was spent or including that which was spent? >> it was no. including the 5 that had already been spent but

that scale, two points about the aerospace, one is that they put in a lot of risk management contingency. number 2 is the charge was included, a cap on the appropriations spending, annual appropriations spending that we viewed as being reasonable. the trouble was that cat, this was our problem from the beginning, that cap that splits the project out so long that it builds up. in formally we have looked at the implications of allowing a higher appropriations, annual appropriations gap and that those lower the life cycle costs significantly but it is still in the high 30 billions so i want

to emphasize that is not just the modest plan. we are talking apples and oranges. the plant itself is only one part of a much bigger project including how you get the hits into sodium oxide and the operating costs over decades. i want to clarify the high 30s or $40 billion. >> i look forward to that briefing, thank you. if i get a second shot i will take a second shot at something else. >> mr secretary, i want to thank you for your role in the rain negotiations. there is an extraordinary article in the new york times about the role the department of energy played in analyzing various proposals and it strikes me as fortuitous in the extreme that the moment we enter these particular negotiations we have a nuclear physicist in charge of

the department of energy. i want to go to and appalling chart on page 226 of the report. i am sure you know what i am talking about, the differential in oil and natural gas prices between new england and the rest of the country 2-7 is the number of the chart. this is an infrastructure problem. i think it is absolutely urgent for our region. we went into natural gas in a big way starting in 2000, now 50% or 60% electricity comes from natural gas. a lot of people like myself switch to natural gas to heat our homes and last winter winter before last, we had highest natural gas prices in the world and this shows that almost double u.s. rate so i

just hope the department can be aggressive and forward leaning in helping the governors, the delegation, the utilities to solve this problem. is the pipeline problem, not a gas problem as you know and it is going to take and all of the above strategy in terms of permitting and it is an urgent problem for the region. i assume you agree to that. >> the very first field hearings we had for the qer were in new england specifically given by the gas pipeline issue. the representatives of all six governors were part of the meeting and frankly the remarks did they made were such that governors felt they were going to have this under control and would take care of it.

in fact i understand that next year in 2016 there will be a substantial expansion of capacity, taking gas into the boston area, getting up farther north is the challenge. i don't know how this will turn out and i am happy to work with you, senator king. >> this is a problem of our system. we are federal or state. we don't have regional entities and this is a case where we are not asking for federal intervention but a federal quarterback dennis sense. >> you can help to convene and move this process forward. >> we were happy to do that. the issues in the southern part of new england are coming under control. it will be a good discussion. there are discussions about getting gas up to can and that

might provide an opportunity for moving gas. >> there is a discussion about reducing maritime sonorities pipeline through eastern maine from southern new england from massachusetts to nova scotia, reversing it and exporting the natural gas from canada which would mean technically not under the national interest review. i hope you would consider as the project moves forward or the discussions concerning a requirement that that gas be diverted will during times of peak demand rather than being a provision that during peak demand it could be retained in their region. we can discuss this further but i hope you think about it. >> there will be a national interest determination. >> i commend that the issue to you. quickly i want to associate

myself with the comments of senator heinrich about distributed energy and storage. i recently read watched the graduate and the guy in that movie says plastics famously. if it were today he would say storage, energy storage. that is going to be a huge issue. one of the things you can do one of the troublesome issues here and this is a national security issue and also a sort of private personal rights interest to have energy generated at your house but the challenge is what is the right number for the grid charge for backup and capacity and it has got to be sufficient so that other ratepayers are not bearing the cost but it also can't be so high as unreasonably burden this nascent development which i think is very important and is going to happen anyway so i think another area where you

could be very helpful to wes is to have your smart people thinking about what would be the formula for determining a reasonable backup charge or a reasonable capacity however you characterize it and finally to help us start thinking about we have to get to the point of real-time time of day meeting and great value to the grid if the solar arrays on at 4:00 in the afternoon, not so much value at 10:00 in the morning, how to figure out those issues so that compensation to the homeowner is fair and reasonable and provides proper incentives for the power being generated when we most need it. >> the whole issue of the evaluation we need to look at desperately and it is going to become more and more critical including what i would call law

semi rule areas that have grid and distribution system and yet if as people go perhaps off the grid because storage becomes useful, obviously that spreads the cost over a smaller population and it can be a real challenge as we look through what is the opportunity of the new technology possibilities and yet transitioning from our current model will have real strains in the system. >> thank you, mr. secretary, thank you for your work on iran. thank you, madam chair. >> secretary, i understand in response to questions from senator garner and senator barrasso when a program on the issue of oil export use that for purposes of this qer you did not go into that and i understand why.

we are talking about infrastructure but i also understand that this since and texas where if you have policy decisions that are made with infrastructure today as it is in place you are probably not going to be prepared for tomorrow in recognizing when we are talking about the issue of oil exports and what that might do for increased production, domestically, bringing sources of supply which will then require additional infrastructure, that there is that connection there and i understand why you would defer on a question like this but i do think as we are talking about an energy infrastructure and policies for the country going forward, we need to be looking at some of the antiquated policies the we have in place whether it is will exports or

otherwise and really vision in where we go with this so i am going to keep pushing you want that as i think he will have other members of this committee do and it goes back to comment i made in my opening about the trans alaska pipeline. we have got fabulous piece of infrastructure, truly an engineering marvel 800 miles of pipe bisecting the state doing a pretty good job for 47 years but if we don't have sufficient throughput as we're getting to that point you have that infrastructure no longer working at its capacity and at some point at some point, we don't know exactly when you lose that valuable piece of infrastructure and then you really have stranded supply you may not have evaluated whether or not we need to do more when it comes to offshore or how we get moving,

or the merits of going after our phenomenal reserves within the an whar. it does speak to this nexus between our production, domestically, and our infrastructure. i want to ask about north american energy integration because i think this is key. when talking about energy security in my mind it is not just the united states. it is our partners to the north, in canada, to the south in mexico the north american energy security and integration. you spoke a little bit more in previous responses about what we are doing to collect share data. that is critically important but our reality is we are still looking at these permitting the lace for cross border pipelines.

keystone is something out there in the news but it is not just keystone, it is so much more than we have going for between borders to the north and to the south. can you elaborate a little more on how we really achieve what you and i would agree is critical not only to united states but to our partners, mexico and canada as well. how do we get there? because right now we can't even get moving with a simple swap between the united states and mexico for our light for there have the. >> first of all this may sound like that very vanilla answer but one issue is we need to to start a much stronger dialogue

with both countries and we have had. i was shocked. >> wind use a start we all assumed -- >> maybe start was not the right word but i was trying to give the impression that it has been nowhere near as robust as it should be. i was shocked when i went to ottawa last year it was the first time the secretary of energy had been to canada in well over a decade which was surprising. we have agreed among the three energy ministers, three countries that we will have at least an annual trilateral in regina meeting, the data agreement we signed last december. we also met in houston this past week and had a panel to get there. we do have to have that discussion identifying issues. i can assure you issues like

mexico, the swap, out were raised and i will be part of that discussion in the administration to examine that question. i don't make that decision but it is a very important decision. we just set a joint task force that i will chair, i do share on the american side with mexico and we will be in mexico in a meeting with the energy and environment ministers of the qer has been part of that, picking up the pace of this dialogue. i think we are mapping out a whole bunch of questions now that we need to address and i want to make progress in the next year-and-a-half run this. i might have the mexican delegation. mm-hmm subject we talked about before in a different context but they for example raise a desire to work closely together on something we have not worked

on which is methane hydrates. another issue. we are getting an agenda mapped out and now the shoot is to go forward. >> i would certainly encourage the administration to be aggressive with this. we talk about it and to use a that we haven't had a secretary of energy visit canada in decade is cutting. >> crazy. >> we can do better than this. senator cantwell. >> i had to step out for a moment but i know that several members have been talking about the grid in general. of this quadrennial review the key recommendation for the immediate focus is infrastructure and the grid is a big part of that. >> absolutely. one of our major core areas. >> part of my question is we in previous legislation did a lot of focus, help us in discussing

where to go on grid modernization and try to get various schematics in place, figuring out how to get those micro grids to connect to the larger greed and obviously frequent issue of cybersecurity becoming a larger issue mentioned in the report as well sell obviously d o e plays a major role in this. what are the schematics we should be looking at on the grid, what kind of bar and d should we be doing, you want to talk a little bit, i wanted to ask about why transformers are so important, if you could explain that a little bit but clearly there are some key approaches we can take as a federal entity the push for the route where the grid needs to go and you have done a good job in the report of combining the

elements of different types of energy sources. i don't think it was called out specifically in the report but to me the biggest advances the notion of distributed generation. the same distributed generation internet brought as is bringing distributed generation opportunities for energy which becomes a platform but what are the schematics we need to do? how would you approach the next phase on grid modernization? >> on the r&b side you mentioned, in broad strokes, the much more aggressive introduction end utilization of i t e withand utilization of i t e with the grid is critical. last week in philadelphia in the control room we saw where the

data were coming in from the synchro taser measurements, it had not been integrated into an operational system yet so we have a long way to go yet fully realize the benefits of ig and the system and that is for the transmission system, the high voltage system and the distribution system. second leap the more we introduce i tea more we have to address the cybervulnerabilities that go hand in hand and says that is the second major area. >> isn't it more that with so many transactions ecommerce and everything living along the lines that if we don't hide in the electricity grid or make it redundant we are going to be susceptible? >> yes, we need the cyberproduction of the grids and is available to support all the

other electronic commerce that we have. the third area at the you touched upon is i would say integrating the ideas of distributed generation and micro grids. as one example of project that helped shape our thinking in terms of the resilience recommendations, we cross shared with the state of new jersey design of so-called micro grid except it is not so micro, 50 or more megawatts of distributed generation to protect, make resilience it critical transportation corridor we put in a relatively small funds to do the design work and they were successful in essentially getting opposed sandy grant. hundreds of millions of dollars to implement it so the

architecture and micro grid is important but also this idea of leveraging funds to have big infrastructure projects done is a good models that we use here so those are important. on transformers the issue is really that these large transformers typically step down from very high voltage to a lower voltage tend to be probably more often they need to be. they tend to be rather unique and theory if you have a problem very hard to replace. they cost millions of dollars each. it takes six months to replace it and you have a big problem and that is why we are thinking of working with utilities to see if we can have on private/public partnership to have a more uniform way of having backups for key transformers.

>> the efficiency screams out in your report as big savings for all of us and i hope we take recommendations and go one step further what is it that grid investment will get us juxtaposed to ignoring it and having cyberthreats or ignore it and thinking about the climate impacts what we saw devastating and everything else a weekly l.a. are spending billions of dollars in aftermath repair and we can be smarter about that. >> the next graph in chair also shows that over it the last decade, dramatically increasing in terms of the outages is the impact of extreme weather. it has grown enormously. >> i went to pick up on a question you just posed. thank you for coming to north dakota as part of the qer

process. qer recognizes the importance of energy development in places like my state of north dakota and elsewhere as well as the need to update and expand our energy infrastructure as part of building an energy plan for this country but also discusses the importance of partnering with our friends and allies canada and mexico. how do you expect we will build a better relationship on energy with canada if we don't approve the keystone pipeline? >> the qer does not project--mention a specific project in terms of pipelines we have 70 pipelines across the border. >> is that making an argument for against the san? >> was a completely neutral statement of data. i am not very data driven person. 74 is the exact number.

also in terms of working with canada, we have right now four gigawatts of applications for high-voltage transmission lines to bring hydro down. one of those got its final permit. my point is we have a big energy relationship with canada. that is independent of any specific project. >> along those lines, working on bipartisan legislation, the north american energy infrastructure act is designed to do what you just said, help build energy infrastructure so that we can work with canada and mexico. north america has an incredible opportunity here. all forms of energy. we are not just talking pipelines the transmission lines, rail and road all in the right mix comedy efficiently and

cost effectively and safely. >> list of waterways as well. >> waterways too. is that something you would be willing to help work on? >> absolutely. happy to jet as we always do. >> it is not just transmission but railroads working to build more rail. not even just for energy. that is one of the things q e talks about are those constraints so how can you help us advance this legislation or not down regulatory barriers of that we can build this infrastructure. this is private investment, we want to do it right and doing well but we have to get through regulatory constraints. >> i would be having to work with you but partly also, perhaps as may be helping out as a gateway to other agencies

because clearly responsibilities for the issues you are addressing spread across multiple agencies. the department of energy we have the presidential determination of electricity lines. and other kinds of transport. >> maybe you could be perhaps the interagency efforts so that we could streamline the process. maybe that is a good roll for d o e. >> that is something we could discuss. we with the sec and secretary for the qer. >> i would like to switch to another item i am thinking about, export. this is an important issue, economic growth, building energy industry at home but also more supply reduced price at the pump and give me your position

on oil exports and how to approach lifting the export ban. >> a few observations. this is not dispositive in any way about whether we should for should not or how we should lift exports. in that discussion it is very important to have it in the context that we still import 7 billion barrels of oil per day that is not yes or no on the question you posed but we should remember in contrast to lng will be more and self-sufficient in natural gas, we remain large

importers of crude and significant importers of net petroleum products. that is the reality. the issue in the end becomes the one that you did point out. with a lifting of exports result in a significant increase in production or not? that is a question that is not often focused on in terms of analysis and is certainly probably the case times change but today with what is happening with oil prices etc. it might be a hard case to make that one would see at a huge response in terms of production. that is a question to address. >> what i would ask is just as you work with us on the lng export issue it has been helpful working -- we have legislation now and the real opportunity to pass and your

effort has been significant and important in that effort. i would ask for the same help and willingness to work together on the oil export -- >> i am happy to do that with the proviso that it is understood that those are responsibilities not on the department of energy but nevertheless i am happy to take part in the dialogue and help make the linkages to other parts of the administration. >> thank you, last week we had an interesting discussion here the impact of transactions, effectively by not removing the oil ban we put in place, look forward to continuing that conversation. >> e i a has done a whole series

of reports that culminate in june, analyses of relevance. >> we're looking for it. senator franken. >> thank you madam chair. i would put a word in of caution on the low level of export minnesota, we keep the cost down. manufacturing and heating. the energy information agency, and exported a significant

export. and talk about renewable energy on indian lands. and tremendous renewable energy resources, biomass and wind and solar too. and distributed energy as a goal and micro grid is a goal. energy to team up with indian energy. to pilot programs at micro grids, in indian country and also a wonderful place for pilot

programs, cutting edge technology, to see where that leads. i recommend to you thinking, went senator king talked about storage as the use they use for graduate plastics, the whole point of that line was to make fun of that guy. storage is really cool. as a former satirist i can tell you that today, storage would not be used instead of plastics and tremendous issue. >> where have you gone, joe dimaggio. >> very good. than as a reference to the soundtrack from the graduate for those of us of a certain age.

would you look into that. >> i would love to collaborate on that. indian country and alaskan native villages. i am going to ask for some help. we have a program on indian energy and it is very effective in terms of what it does with a limited budget. is authorized with a cap on its budget. we have a proposal in the budget i would like to bring to your attention you end the chair. which is week requested, to be honest, it was not funded in the house, even million dollars for a loan guarantee program for energy alaska, native villages

and the idea is it is $11 million of credit subsidy, it probably could leverage $100 million but actual project which is way above the budget we have for energy so i would like to discuss that in more detail and work through what we could do and the idea would be megawatt projects. >> the chair and i know funding levels for native peoples is incredibly low. i really believe the combined power the chairman, chairwoman and i are enthusiastic about, that also is biomass very often and those kind of distributed energy. also since i am running out of

time, i want to touch on methane and the importance of capturing it and because of the greenhouse effect of methane is so much greater than that of co2, we need to capture is at. >> in our work in the qer we have two focus areas other focus areas in terms of the production side but we look particularly at the infrastructure and the natural gas transmission and distribution side, we have a tremendous amount of old cast-iron pipe and bare steel. it is both a safety and climate challenge. we propose program to fundamentally support low income households as accelerated

replacement programs are absorbed into interest rates so that is an example of what we want to do for both safety and environmental reasons. >> in addition we are working on compressor's which are the biggest loss point on the natural gas transmission system. [inaudible] >> i was going to ask a bunch of questions i don't know the answer to. >> we don't either. >> if you say you don't -- what has been in the news lately is uranium 1 failed to russia. it may not be uranium, contributions to the clinton foundation, mining rights across the world including the western

united states and subsequently sold to a russian concern and a certain scandal involved, i am not here to discuss the scandal. what i am interested in is arm is he has these holdings, what percentage of actively mined u.s./uranium resources are controlled by the russian concerns. do you know that? >> i do not. i wasn't aware of any but i don't know the answer. i will look into that. >> okay. okay. if you don't know the issue it may not work for any of these because the second question would be i understand again the russians now claim to control significant portion of the world's, uranium deposits. in which case can they choose to increase prices by limiting supply? law ask this for no other reason than national security issues at stake.

>> i would have to look at this and happy to get back to you but i was a little surprised that i believe the largest reserves are in kazakhstan and the second-largest are australia. >> those two. uranium 1 had holdings combined with the south african firm and purchased australian and has the reserves or the russians already have that but actually the uranium 1 purchases in a new york times article. >> i did not see it. >> they now own reserves in the western united states which i gather are being exported to canada. the mind material even though it is not allowed for uranium 1 but the trucking company is allowed to export so seemed like a loophole. i will ask these for the record since you don't know the answers and again it just seems of incredible importance to national security and energy

security. that is why i asked. >> i look into it. >> we are just about to the noon hour. i just have a couple quick questions for you. one follows on your discussion with senator franken about what the office of indian energy is doing. i think we have seen some good things. i look forward to discussing this loan guarantee with you a little bit more. we recognize that in places like alaska and going back to the question of how weith canada some of our infrastructure issues, we know that heat is the biggest energy challenge in the north not necessarily electricity. recognizing the qer is looking to partner with canada on energy

delivery to remote areas, this is something i want to work with you on. i want to explore some of the different delivery systems you are talking about whether it is space heating efficient design, housing technologies. i was with the secretary of state friday, you realize how isolated these communities are beaten communities of significant size and significant resources, the challenges they face, and they are exclusively powered by diesel. extraordinarily extraordinarily expensive. how we deal with this, we have so much to learn from one another and this is where we have certain advantages coming at us as we take over the chair the arctic council, how we can be partnering with northern neighbors in understanding some of the best technologies that

are out there but i would encourage us to look at what we are developing in alaska whether it is the cold climate housing research center innovative technologies coming out with regards to sustainable design building community capacity. we have some remarkable models and so this is something i encourage us to partner with you on but we have some key opportunities. the final issue i want to bring up related to alaska's is the recommendations, two of them. one is the remote community renewable energy partnership. the other is coordination with canada. i am pleased with the direction we are looking putts we are working together in this but

with regard to the remote community renewable energy partnership, the qer states the state department with its partnership will construct a high penetration and/diesel hybrid system in a whirl arctic community. it suggests one project they are looking to to help build out. you take into account what we have done in alaska since 2008 we have invested more than $247 million, renewable energy projects across the state through the energy grant funds and funded $5.5 million to 20 emergency emerging energy technology projects, a $50 million the state has

invested with its expertise and all it is doing so i am hoping when we are reading what is coming out of the qer it is not just limited to a single project you are looking at with remote community renewable energy partnership but again looking at how we can build off of what the state is already done continuing to do but develop a stronger partnership there. >> i would welcome that and as you know, we do have -- i think in anchorage is where they are located, a person there, they might be good conduits for looking at how the state programs and what we do could be sent up. we do have those people permanently based in alaska. >> my last question is regarding

spent nuclear fuel. very little about nuclear energy and nothing about the back end of the fuel cycle. we have been working on this and i truly appreciate how you have intersected not only with senator cantwell and myself but senators alexander and feinstein on this issue but why didn't we addressed this in the qer? >> the qer was on infrastructure, as opposed to nuclear power. we could have put something there in terms of transportation of spent fuel. we have in our budget request for f y 16 $6.9 million

specifically to address the transportation questions of spent fuel including the kinds of rail casts you would need etc. so that is in their but otherwise we did not address that in the cuny are. i am happy to keep talking about that including storage options and transportation option developing consent based processes, looking at defense pathway is that we can now pursue. that is a full agenda and i look forward to working on that. >> we are going to be having a hearing on it, on nuclear waste legislation in the next month and a half or so so look forward to your comments on that. obviously a great deal that you have presented through this, we appreciate that but again it is going to be incumbent on us, you

and your team and those of us at the committee and on that side as well to really figure out how we move forward with this, how do we keep up the level of engagement and make sure this is more than just talk because the need is so clearly there. we are limiting ourselves, limiting our economic opportunities, limiting our potential as a nation when we don't focus on a longer-term view of our energy infrastructure. if we can't move it around to where the people are, if we can't do it safely and in an environmentally responsible way and a cost-effective way, the rest of the system just doesn't work. work with us to make sure we have got a real action plan moving forward.

>> very eager and also it is not in the plan but we can come back and talked about what our recommendations in the plan, which once could we pursue with current authority in the administration and which ones that is relatively few, versus all those that will be action in this body. i have no interest in having a wonderful monument on not library shelf as opposed implementation plan. we will be turning to implementation issues of qer 1 and starting to think about second round of qer 2 because this is clearly only one slice of the overall picture. also if i may just repeat something i said earlier on that follows on what you said decisions that we take will be very important for shaping the energy system for decades but the decisions we don't take will

be equally important. doing nothing is not neutral in fiscal business. >> it may not be an option either. senator cantwell. >> we are closing out as we get to the noon hour. i want to thank the secretary for the report and heading that out in coordination with other agencies and the vichy the climate goals in the report as well. i want to work with you, 1 million people work in energy transmission. at i have no doubt that we need to skill up a lot of the american workforce if we are going to meet that demand. it is an exciting opportunity, there is a lot of work to do

through d o e or interagency work. the work force that we need, is a critical aspect and energy needs of the future. >> we've formed a job strategy council under the able leadership of dave foster, and meet with staff and others. including the issue of the energy arena but they are involved with community college programs, all kinds of issues in terms of driving a jobs agenda for energy. >> thank you very much.

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