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office at ces in las vegas. it is the largest consumer technology show in the world. we took a look at the new technology on display. >> host: this is peter nowak of toronto, canada "humans 3.0" is his new book. what do you mean by 3.0? >> guest: i guess there are a couple ways to look at it. i was a top anthropologist and asked what age we were in evolutionary and this could be considered human 4.0 actually but where i started from was i thought humans were largely segregated from nature and then we evolved through technology. technology played a major role. for the last 200,000 years we

have been humans 2.0 and that is more of a case of humans living in relative harmony with nature. humans 3.0 is where anthropologist say humans are trying to affect and alter nature with the environment and our own biology through technology. there is debate when it started some say with the industrial revolution and some say it is more recent. we are in the midst of it now. we are getting more into bioengineering and neuro science and these are all deals that are going to be big over the next couple decades. we are definitely in the thrust of it. as i worked on the book it took about three years to do i

developed a more complex idea of what "humans 3.0" is/are. it has to do with once i went through the various chapters i came to the point where humans have been torn between two forces of competition and cooperation and competition includes killing each other as well as the more mundane things. "humans 3.0" is a way to realize both of those forces work for us together. we have have peace with each other and also cooperate with

each other. i think we are realizing it. >> host: so do you believe that we became "humans 3.0" through your research during the industrial era or through the internet era? >> guest: i don't think you can draw a line. i think it is ongoing. i didn't have this conclusion when i started. i followed the data and looked at each different aspect of society and culture and what we are as people. so the chapters are neatly divided into here is where we are on economics. here is where we are with ships and religion. the evolution didn't draw any lines. i just looked at this all

together. in some cases, though it was hard to come up with any kind of numbers or data because we have not been tracking this for a long time. so basic questions of are we more private today than we were 2 2,000 years ago? that is hard to tell because you would you have tracked that 2,000 years ago. i have a chapter on relationships and it is one of my favorites. i talk today the founder of ashleymadison.com which is a website for affairs. i asked him if we were having more affairs than 30 years ago and he is not assure because the data they are getting will give us a lot of information years from you but we don't have anything back in the '60s and

'70s. >> >> host: one of the reoccurring things in the book is the issue of solitary. is that a downside to the digital revolution? >> guest: i think so. if you look at the numbers. the one i found disheartening was the studies that show that people are today identifying that they have fewer close confidants than ever before. 30 years ago the average person had four or five and now they might have one or two. and that is really interesting compared to what we know about the internet and social media and the digital revolution is everyone has hundreds of friends on facebook and thousands of followers on twitter. so our social circuits have theoretically expanded but a lot of the others -- and not just

the information of close confidant but marriage is shrinking and families are declining and people are not joining clubs as often and you have religion and religiousity people identifying with religion is going down. people are not joining things as much. i don't know if they are substitutingt that with joining groups on facebook. i don't know. but that is i think one of the downsides. it almost seems like a counter reaction to this internet-based social explosion. we are kind of shrinking inwards. >> this overall, is it fair to say your book "humans 3.0," is a positive look at technology? >> guest: i think so. it is an optimistic book and i

think that is the selling point almost. as a journalist we often focus on the negative. and i spoke to a veteran science journalist in denmark. i went to denmark because it is the happiest country on earth according to surveys. he said something i remember because he was talking about -- or i was asking him why is the media focused so much on negativity and he said the media is like our collective nervous system where we are our own nervous system doesn't say paul your knee is fine today. we have a lot of information bomb barding us. but our knee does tell us when we are in pain and something is wrong and that is what the media is there for. i think it is counterintuitive to say things are getting better largely thank do is technology.

technology doesn't do magic but it does enable things particularly in terms of economics. one of the great untold stories i mention in the book is the united nations and the world bank, both officials there, are almost -- their stories are not being told. extreme poverty has been cut in half in the world faster than they thought was possible. infant mortality is dropping faster in africa than anywhere at any point in history. these are massively good news stories. but we don't hear a lot about them. it is counterintuitive to come out with a book that has a relatively optimistic and positive conclusion. the hardest thing about working on it was for me to distance myself and believe my own data because everybody has bad things

happen to them. i am a journalist and we have layoffs and cutbacks on a daily bases. so it is hard to stepback from the day to day and remember and take a look at the data from a distance and say no things are getting better. it is kind of -- that was a hard thing. but it is an optimistic book. >> host: three examples of technology you talk about in the book are neuro science, robots and youtube. >> guest: yes. well robots i think is especially an interesting one because 2014 i think was the year of robots. i don't know if a day went by where i didn't see some kind of story where robots were stealing jobs from humans. here is a robot that is a better bartender than humans. here is one that is a better waiter than humans. the thing i think is missed a

lot in that is an entire revolution or advance in automation resulted in better jobs. to give you an example, 200 years ago 75% of the american population was farming. now it is 1%. they could not have imagined video game designers or web designer -- they could not imagine those jobs being possible. so i think we are having a hard time like that. we are having a hard time knowing watt we will be doing in ten years from now. i think history is showing we'll figure out a way to combine with robots and create new jobs that were previously not possible. >> host: neuroscience.

>> guest: we have major projects under way in the united states and europe to try to under the brain. that is going to have incredible affects just like the human genome project led to fixing ailments. neuroscience projects will result in a lot of positive amazing developments. what they will be is hard to imagine but you can kind of project some possibilities which are finding to understand the brain and there is some theories out there some of the future things like someone believes the brain is patterns and once we understand that we can replicate that mattern and then we can replicate that and transfer them into virtually robots and of course live forever. in the short term it is going to

result neuroscience combined with genetics and the sequenceing of dna is getting cheaper every year. it is not too far into the future where we will all be able to analyze our own dna and that is result in more individualized drugs which gives us better treatments for whatever ails us. and you watch commercials for medications and they have a horrifying list of side effects and hopefully that is going to change soon because drugs today are created to service a mass market and then you will have to take this drug to counter that. you will have more tailored and effective drugs. >> host: youtube finally.

>> guest: it is a good outlet for what is happening with people. this is mostly endemic. we have an explosion of creativity and expression and anybody can take a photo now. people take photos on their cameras. you can take thousands a day and dump them online and show somebody that ham sandwich you had for lunch. it is not art. most people wouldn't consider it art but it is a form of expression. that wasn't possible 20 years ago. to take a photo 20 years ago cost you a lot because you had to develop it print it wait a couple weeks. that is happening. blogs, youtube, people creating videos and video games are the same. people are getting better tools to create their own video games. the question is how do artist and people who do this stuff

professionally get paid? and that is a valid question. but the point that should be forgotten is everybody can do this now. everybody can express themselves. i think that is a massive leave forward for us as people. >> host: you have a chapter in here karl marx was right. what does it mean? >> guest: that was delving back into the high school socialo and politics. the believe of communist behavior was people would get tired of this and there would be no ruling or under class. in some ways we are still very far from that but i don't think

we are -- where i think some of what 20th century communist behavior got wrong and is world leaders tried to impose it. we are subconsciously learning we can work and cooperate together at the same time. the further understanding is we do benefit if without somebody else loosing. you know what i mean? so i think we are getting towards that -- we are getting closer to them undering and some countries are further ahead than others. but again i think of denmark and places like that. denmark is considered by many to be a socialist country. but one thing they do have is a very large trust among their people. and even the business owners understand that taxes and that sort of thing is necessary because they can result in say

transportation systems that get their workers to the jobs on time and they are not miserable when they get there and that improves the productivity and so on. that is a more enlightening understanding of my neighbor doesn't have to suffer to benefit. that is where karl marx was recognize. >> host: how does that play into technology? >> guest: because technology and that conclusion of the book, and i think all of the other chapters are looking to the other enabling factors, whether it is health and life expectancy, jobs and so on. technology is fueling all of those aspects so it may not directly fuel that conclusion but it is fueling all of the contributing factors. >> host: and your conclusion in "humans 3.0" if you could expand on this a little bit. as for humans 4.0 i cannot wait

to transfer my effort into a quite thought across the galaxy but we will not have to write that for another two decades. >> guest: people might not be writing books by the time we get there. this is still largely science fiction and i am a science fiction fan. i think that is kind of a cheap way of ending the book. although the book is very data driven, i didn't wite it for geeks or for the numbers. i very much like paul culture i play video games, i go to movies and i try to take those numbers

and illustrate them or shine them through pop culture. i talk to writers, i talk to video game makers and got their input on this, it isn't just numbers. it is reading into this in detail. >> host: finally, why are you here at ces international? >> guest: this is my 8th show. i am hear as a journalist and writing about it and talking about it. i am on the other side of the fence this year and part of the book club that is the book showcase. >> host: gary shop -- shapiro? >> guest: yes. i am on both sides of the fence. >> host: peter nowak "humans 3.0" is the name of the book. thank you for being here.

the "the communicators" is on location at ces international, the consumer trade show held every year in las vegas and one of the areas we are looking at is the new technology area and startup company. we wanted to introduce you to clement rosset of iskn. what do you make? what do you develop? >> guest: we went to ces last year and we made something where you can put any paper or notebook on them and -- >> host: this is the slate?

correct. so you can draw anything you want here and it will immediately? >> guest: digitize. >> host: on your laptop? >> guest: on your ipad or mac right now. >> host: do an example. >> guest: i will use a template. >> host: it a real pen. when you say a real pen is this difference -- this the samsung note. >> guest: just a normal pen with a small magnet just like here. you can see that we are using nothing electronic. just a simple pen with a magnet. with the technology there is a master design and that is the position and orientation of the

pen. this is the first step to make the eyes. and then extends the size of the line color, and you can have the repeat drawing. >> host: has that drawing been downloaded to your tablet? >> guest: yes, it is on the tablet. you can use this with the ipad as well. the memory inside uses it all day. >> host: blue tooth connected? >> guest: yes. >> host: where did you get the idea for this technology? >> guest: we saw a french

contender and the protect start teed started three years ago. today 16 people with more than 50 partners. >> host: is this on the market? >> guest: yes. we started in december. >> host: iskn is the name of the company and the pad is called? >> guest: slate. >> host: thank you for your time. another view product being displayed at ces in las vegas is a wrist band developed by a company called novitact and vanessa caignault is the ceo.

what is novitact? >> guest: we make wearable devices. >> host: this is your band? >> guest: yes, you can use it to communicate. theist >> host: it is a softer flexible wristband. >> guest: you can communicate without speaking or writing. >> host: how would you communicate if you wanted to send a message to say help me? >> guest: around the wristband -- >> host: this button here? i felt the buzz. >> reporter: i receive it by vibrations around my wrist. >> host: where do these messages go? >> guest: the wristband has this

popcorn here and it remains with the information. here is the mobile app we use to define the way to send it. this is my colleagues for example. if i push the return here it is going to mean that i am sending it to my colleague and two big vibrations happen. if where push this here i can say then that it is okay and then there is a cycle around there. three app designs like library of vibrations playing on intensity, duration and you can have many, many vibrations. >> host: can you create your own messages? >> guest: yes. with your friend and your family and your colleagues. >> host: is this product on the

market now? >> guest: this product is on the french market now. we work with host that want to improve the safety of their employees. if there is a woman working in a hotel, or women working in emergency centers. >> host: and they can screen if they were in trouble. >> guest: they can say they are at risk and this will alert out by pushing here and they will receive vibrations and someone will come through to help them >> host: you are in vegas at ces, are you trying to break into the united states market?

>> guest: yes. it is key for us to be international. we want to be international known and the u.s. is our key market. >> host: we have noticed a lot of french tech companies are here. is there a silicone valley in france? >> guest: we have like a france type center. there is 66 sets of companions here. >> host: vanessa caignault, coo of novitact. here is the product. field tack wristband. >> you have been watching "the communicators" on c-span2. if you would like to see more programs like this go to

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it is two hours. this hearing is called to order. i am liking to title it jihad 2.0 social media. i think that is the wrong title. it is really the current evolution of recruitment. we have a panel of witnesses to