you need to have leadership that we really don't have on a complete level and by that i mean leadership from the white house to the courthouse. everybody has to pass the baton, and what i've seen from the other side from the voting side of this issue is uk transportation type people, whether they are directly involved with cars our railroads or highways contractors and so

forth, but they tend to call on members of the highway transportation committee. they don't call on somebody from my health care committee. and yet health care is a involving care is involved in transportation good phil kohn somebody from the agriculture committee that agriculture depends on good roads and transportation as well. one thing i would say that we as those who support more transportation, funding or a better vision, you've got to call on all 435 members of the house. calling on the transportation committee members bill shuster spotted my best friend in the house, but they live and breathe breathe it. they are for it. they are forward. they are going to make it happen. pete defazio and schuster will come up with the program. they can come up with the inhabited but after 218 votes. and unless we are working on the entire congress then it's not going to happen.

so that would be kind of my report from milo fox will. i appreciate -- >> thank you jack. i know you have to leave. one of the arguments instance congress a limited their marks on special projects in a number of districts, that's been an impediment to having projects that are essential been authorized and approved. to think the idea will ever come back to a lot of those endeavors by members of? >> i think that what happened with the earmark debate is it got out of hand numerically and it got out of hand in substance but what it really is is a member directed project. and traditionally when bud shuster held accountable as we've already mentioned he we go to individual members of the house and say what do you need in your district? you already heard from york york county commissioners and government and your county commissioners and covenant and just the legislature's we had to make it so you could say we have some projects they had to about

$25 million. that's the federal match. and then he was elected 25 million. what can i get? you can get 20. let me go back and shop it back on. that's where think a lot of the leadership came from because suddenly that county commissioner, that city councilman, everybody had a bye in and he would vote for the bill but right now it's sort of an academic thing. it gets fuzzy. we passed the transportation bill. not sure who makes the decision. all that money might go to ohio. not to pick on ohio deciding it might go elsewhere. that's what it legislature cares about what could come back to my district. i think there needs to be a way to address member priorities as a way of growing the vote. >> when bud shuster was chip in every highway in pennsylvania became a six lane highway.

thank you very much, jack. i will excuse you. i know you have another thing got to get you out like to welcome now our next presenter, chris guthkelch -- let's do mike. spent i'm going to seed my time. >> chris guthkelch is a project director and infrastructure development for the skanska infrastructure development. we are delighted to have your and look forward to your thoughts very much. >> so ready to introduce skanska infrastructure, a swedish company in 127 years, it's one of the world's largest developer contractor companies. it's a champion for sustainable infrastructure. it drives away the company sort of looks at its opportunities. just 10,000 employees in the

u.s. and the us is our number one growth market. which is completing 2020 the five year business plan cycle, but actually within the infrastructure development side we think 10 years ahead. this is a hugely competitive market, lots and lots of international companies who are all vying to get the next opportunity. we need to be teaming some two to three years ahead before formal procurement action starts. we are here and we want the opportune to invest in america's continued growth but that also was workforce development. it includes minority supply chain development. because in reality we cannot grow the way that we want to unless we can actually create these centers of excellence.

but we need a reliable program projects, both federal state and local levels. we want an opportunity be able to both show the value that can be created by using innovative procurement and financing means. we want fairness and transparency. you know, don't blame public-private partnerships for shortfalls in permitting and right-of-way acquisition procedures. we want decisiveness. once you set a path, you need to stick to it. and last but not least this is all about execution. it's execution and they finally many. just to put a personal site to it when i was the project director for the midtown tunnel when we won the bid for the 2 billion project in hampton roads a really large

construction worker came up to me and gave me a big hug and he said, thank you for showing my job for the next five years there and that's a reality the impact on families and, you know their breadwinners and salon on unreliable project streams. very quickly to talk about the midtown tunnel with which i was very proud to be associated. this is a huge technical undertaking of southern virginia. this is a public-private partnership that it cannot be done without one side or the other. this is a 5100-foot immersed concrete tube tunnel. 11 segments each of them is 16,000 tons. it was fabricated up in sparrows point, baltimore, then the segments floated down the chesapeake to the elizabeth river.

each segment late in 100 feet of water with a one inch tolerance. that's the sort of ensuring you get with these megaprojects. we can't do projects like this without things like, you know federal loans which is a very key part of the financing for this project. what we see as critical success factors, firstly joint stakeholder management. i think we learned a lot about entrance of stakeholders talking about getting the whole house on site. but this is much more than that. this is about getting all the political spectrum and the taxpayers and the users of these assets going through and educated process. i would actually like to applaud

what colorado has actually done in terms of the approach that they have had and driven by the government, to actually get public outreach. utterly critical to these projects. if you don't have a project champion, that's a real issue. many of these projects will just flounder. last but not least is just to make the point disadvantaged business enterprises, i mentioned it earlier on but just then the midtown project alone with some 28 and won a 24 vendors already on board. it's a very key area of these projects. not just creating and constructing a projects but i should bring up the community around it. >> chris, thank you very much. next we would like as a presenter doctor oliver mcgee a good friend of the secretary

answered with the secretary and the department of transportation is now at howard university, professor there and will share some thoughts. >> thank you, secretary slater having here. i really want to congratulate squire patton boggs for recognizing transportation infrastructure. it is so very very important. transportation in my eyes and many others come is about economic choices. it's about moving people, ideas and things. but more importantly i'm a mathematician, engineer and scientist, mechanical engineer as a matter fact i like to put things into mathematical formulas. competitive because risk, uncertainty and growth. i learned that from a great economic teacher, and absentee

teacher at the university of chicago who is a great book on the subject. when you look at risk it's about what we know. and uncertainty is about what we don't know. it's our innovation enterprise. and growth is about jobs. more importantly how we remain competitive and united states and the world. and when you're looking about, at growth here to think but how you investing in technology and how do you employ. positive train control is about taking advanced technology that was developed 45 years ago and implementing it today. we are basically running the 19th century railroad system in the northeast. 50% of positive train control has been integrated between new york and boston but only 5% has been implemented between new york and washington, d.c. and

to the philadelphia corridor. without that employment of technology lives are lost. so often times what i would do the, whatever the cat in the public understanding of science and technology? oftentimes that's what science and technology and transportation is all about understand transportation and a science and technology realm. dark alley seven current technologies the time to develop. one is information technology. you've heard from the folks at ikea so releasing we are trying to actuate provide information. get the technology is biotechnology and that's looking at how health issues incorporate and coupled with transportation. we want a healthy transportation enterprise but we also want healthy people engaging healthy transportation. vendors also advanced wireless communication.

transportation is always about mega- scale engineering as chris was outlining big large projects but transportation is also getting smaller. we are actually doing virtual transportation more often than we are physical transportation. something that is why risky medication devices we are moving people and ideas and things virtually. with telecommuting our virtual offices, that's transportation but it involves wireless medication in advance of that. microtechnology is about computing transportation, computing the choices and decisions involved in transportation. researchers are now looking much further, 50 years out in nanotechnology where things get very very small and often times what i was sharing with secretary slater is will be looking at molecular computing 750 times faster than the highest performing computer we have no. why do we need to compute a

transportation? we're trying to pick up the traffic patterns of the northeast corridor for daily flight as will as now real systems. derailment today is costing our economy $100 billion a day. so do we want to advance in these advanced technologies old want to lose $100 million to date and get into the business of moving derailed trains off the track instead of moving people? we are looking advances in brain research emphasis on board in transportation. it deals with the human factors human factors is what what positive train control is about but when you look at air travel, southeast asia is expected to be the largest growth in air travel by 2050. but we have close well over 11 people died in airplane crashes in the last year to march 8 2014, which was inception of

what? in 8370. we were still confined aircraft. also in other parts of the region, of the world, where impacted by germanwings airlines were met with a psychological practice that were involved in cyclical a cockpit post 9/11. should bring the navigator back? so that we could make sure that when we lock that the door we have very strong human factors and cognitive issues in like a psychological factors of pilot and also personal inside the aircraft cockpit. and then finally we need to look at older technology. as in the western societies as a key to an altar society how do we engage with moving people ideas and things? finally i would like to tap into what we are looking at in the government university

partnership that really involves not only developing the advanced and transportation of these technologies which involves a lot of investment but more importantly it deals with workforce development. out of the cage a new supply of scientists and engineers to understand these advances in technology, engage them? more important as a look at the market issues that engagement who are actually engaging in transportation and this will involve training many many scientists and engineers that north america but also across the world, particularly women because the southeast asia region. for flying we have to look at pilot shortages but how are we training those pilots for advances in technology say for an airbus or a boeing aircraft which has a glass cockpit and had we look at those technologies that are developed on the western side of the world and engage with the eastern side of the world when you're basically trying to fly the

aircraft? imagine for example, if you are flying an aircraft was made in china and was largely in a society of mandarin chinese and your english trying to fly that aircraft. on a digital aircraft. it would be difficult. in closing, i agree. i think infrastructure transportation is important to how risky are we taking our risk and how certain are we about our uncertainties? and how will because the transportation enterprise for 2050 and beyond? it's about moving people, ideas and things both physically and virtually. >> thank you very much for those thoughts and insights. our final present will be beverly swaim-staley whose ahead in president and ceo of the

project right near here that we've all visited probably many many times, to union station redevelopment corporation, and she should you tell us what they're doing and what they've done. beverly? >> i want to thank you for the privilege of being here today. i always have one of the best jobs in the world. i have the privilege might have worked on washington union station and preparing it for will recall the second centric project. just a little bit of history, i'm sure you're familiar with the building and probably the challenges it presents but it was in about 1901 thanks to the leadership of the senate, senator mcmillan saw the need to revitalize washington, d.c. and we had a mcmillan plan in washington union station was built as an anchor to that plan. in the early 1980s it had fallen into major disrepair as that rail travel but again fortunately to the leadership of congress the u.s. rc union station we develop a corporation was established as a public-private partnership with the goal of reintegrating and

redeveloping outstation as a multimodal transportation center and also commercial center that would revitalize the neighborhood and i think we can see 30 years later that it certainly achieved those goals. it is now time however, to go into the next century and once again rebuild and building new transit oriented development and link to each inside of the city and the neighborhoods of capitol hill, gnome and the downtown. and so two years ago amtrak announced its vision plan for 2012 after a number of partners involved in that plant including usrc, a nonprofit and to developers as well as the city another regional entities. so just to briefly give you a vision for that plan it entails of course preserving the historic building a completely rebuild all of the infrastructure behind the facility, new rail yard

remember the infrastructure is 100 years old and not working very well and serving up with what the northeast corridor needs in order to address issues and provide for long-term transportation for the next 100 just. redeveloping the station is critical to amtrak plans and to serving the northeast corridor. washington union station is the busiest metro station in the system. even though it's not a transportation and only serves one line. metro also has plans to expand america's services of there. well site leader active bus station better now. we serve over 37 million people a year in washington union station, to give some confess i like to call it -- it's a very busy place i'm sure you're familiar it's bursting at the same spirit is still a great place to be but we definitely need to take it to the next evolution. that's what we've been working

on and we're deep into the planning phases. we hope next are actually amtrak begins construction in the current concourse although the full buildout which will take us conservatives speaking let's say 20 years the plane would be to do the inside of the station in the first phase which we're working on that design now. amtrak would completely rebuild the east side of the railroad and a private developer will literally build a transit oriented development with hotels, homes, offices overtop and build the west side and begin the developer would then complete the westside. we're not only create a new transportation system in washington but a new neighborhood. it's really a very very exciting project. to do a project like that will take a very long time and we need a stable source of funding and we need certainty that something. we have proceeded, however for the past couple of years into the planning an early design and literally the way we been able

to do that because our partners are private developers in amtrak public-private at a nonprofit. we literally at the beginning of the or sit down and look at what we wanted and what we need to do to keep the project on schedule and invariably at least one partner does not the end of fiscal year if you're going to have the money to put up to fund the project. fortunately, one the other partners at the table including the nonprofit has been able to sleep we will front you the money this year so we can keep the project going. that's how we've been able to get into the planning. that works with hockey but tens of millions of dollars but we don't have, no one has the deep pockets would get into design, and we're talking about tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars. within the next couple of years will be out pashtun we will be at a place where we need to know certainty of something and stable funding. we want this to be an and plan for it to be significant public-private partnership.

will have a number of options but we can ask the private sector to step up and to be there if we can't make the commitments for the public funding. certainty the absolute need certainty. we also cannot embark on this project and the large and expensive faces would have. we can start to build a rail yard and start building it halfway through. our start to build the developing of the concourse is from the private sector and stop halfway through. i think we have very close to your a great example of why we need flexibility in funding, option for the public sector and the private sector to work together come to finance projects as well as stability for fun thing. i'm confident we have the leadership in 1901 come in 1981, the vision and creativity to make sure washington union station was one of the most iconic multimodal transportation centers in the world adventure will do that again but we need to step up with funding sources creativity and flexibility.

>> beverly, thank you very much for that update, and thank all of the painless to let me open it up to anyone who has a question for our panelists. you're welcome to ask them. in the back. speak up a little bit. i'm old and deaf. technology deficit. >> beverly, i'm just curious what may be simplistic but how much of the project is expected to be public funding and how much of it will come from value capture or the private side? >> we just started the master development plan, we're also

starting a nepa process over hoping in the next year to 18 months to have the details but as a major with multiple i think potential sources of funding. we are currently as a nonprofit funded primary from parking revenue, for example. we also the bus company and bus companies are paying so bill of multiple areas that we can monetize, but the recent that flexibility will be so critical is to be able to ring these different kinds of sources together and be able to do a financing package. that's a we are working on at every don't have the answers. one of the critical pieces is to know how much when we can expect for the public parts, for example. >> let me throw out a question about its include a with your help of the countries, passenger rail transportation like china and japan, some the european models are averaging 150 miles an hour on branded sleep modern trains and we don't see that in the united states. what are we doing differently in

this country are what are they doing differently in these other areas that we might learn from? any thoughts on anybody? chris your international perspective, or anybody. why are they doing more differently and is more successful than here in this country? >> i used to commute from oxford into the city of london everyday using the great western line. and for those who sort of know their history a kingdom bruni actually designed and built that railway, the whole point of that, this is back in the 19th century, the whole point was it was literally to give you a smooth ride as you can take. even high speed 125 trains up and enter the point is this is

technology which was in existence in the 19th century. there is no reason why i mean, it's a lot of investment but there's no question that you can create -- >> was it because of investment over there was from governmental sources as opposed to the private sector or a combination or what? >> this is private investment in the railway. >> i take it though the private passenger rail system pays for itself with ridership in those areas? >> well, you hope. what i would say on, if we were looking at public-private partnerships for improving rail systems in this country particularly actually beyond the heavy transit are also light rail in particular, light rail the reality is these projects don't pay for themselves from the actual sort of fare box

itself in reality the actual risk of the revenue itself still sits with the public sector. but you can achieve an enormous amount with the both sort of a partnership of both public and private side. >> one of the problems with amtrak doesn't pay for itself, not anywhere close. give any comments on how we're doing with the virginia project? from a public private partnership with your a private company but how are we doing as far as the funding operations? >> from our perspective these projects partnerships are successful when you can align commercial objectives with policy objectives. that's a very difficult thing to do and not suited for every project but we think the case of 95 and 495 we about alignment from a policy outcome perspective and turbine talk

about the time savings increased transit, the jobs, economic outcomes have come from this project come in from a commercial perspective we are very pleased that 4905 is on solid financial footing and that 95 is come out of the box in a solid position so that we can get a return for shareholders as well. as we think need your in the u.s. and chris can speak to this as well come in our sector we need more examples in the u.s. projects that stuff ended in success october outcomes on oversight. those kind of case studies will give until policymakers encouragement to try this kind of public-private partnerships and to be able to move projects forward ike we've seen in other markets around the world. >> any questions from the audience? let me ask one more maybe to doctor mickey oliver. you mentioned positive train

control which agreement is because of the recent derailment in philadelphia area tragic derailment. an argument that such a positive train control it would've been able to stop the train before the accident. how are other countries doing ptc? to they have it in place, do no? are we the only ones lagging behind? can you comment on that? >> sure. positive train control is 45 year-old technology as i said but we are data with trying to turn the train at 50 miles per hour slower than the cars on i-95 parallel to it in a turn that was designed for freight systems. so we have two separate the freight rail from commercial rail. commercial real is largely a straight line and when you look at it it's floating. it really challenged us as the

united states, are we really ready to do mega-scale engineering development in a funding model, like. >> twenty-one, that has 27 increments as we step forward -- map-21. it's difficult for private enterprise to anticipate, make investments, risky investments to partner with the government that is what taking baby steps in increments for mega-scale engine developer like chris is talking about the when you go in a straight line and to the fastest and high-speed rail technology, then we may not be talking about positive train control but further advances in technologies that are talked about in information systems and wireless systems and digital and computing technologies that could put an operation system inside the train system much like what we see in aircraft.

i had the privilege of traveling from paris to belgium and back, and i was on that train and had a glass of wine and it never even shocked that i said this is better than flying in southwest airlines. we look at flying in this country like we are flying on the greyhound. how many enjoyed engaging in airports today? yet the hang onto your wallet. everything really is not an enjoyable experience. right now we are looking at $100 billion a day in costs. i would say we would develop the mega-scale computing technology to do this when we are tired of the pain. but more important in audie serious matter this is the lives lost and i think our transportation enterprise is in trouble when it loses seven lives over 1100 lives like we've

lost in air travel last year. that's the most in six decades. i'm always mindful about that. it's about safety but at the same time when we put advances in technology we get a safer transportation enterprise. secretary slater used always say safety is our north star in transportation, but as with engineers and scientists develop these 10 technologies we have to deploy them so that we can become more safer and keep advancing the transportation enterprise forward. because everything we could did it is an economic choice and every single morning. and take a choice on the transportation system. that engages us every day. congress is doing incremental analysis because that's how they bring home the bacon it's one of those discretionary budget areas in the budget. that's oe sector constituents look what i brought home to you

another lincoln highway but that's all incremental analysis. but as country defenses in engineering, which is a negative project, when was the last big transportation project we've done in this country? i think i could never the big dig in boston but that was just about it. we do these big projects that engages the public understanding of science and technology and with more hope in the transportation system. that's what the structure, providing that help. >> thank you, doctor mickey. i would like to thank our entire panel, chairman shuster left ultimate and is tied up in traffic, appropriate for transportation conference but i would think there's been a very much for the presentations and to all of our audience. [applause] let me just bring up company ask rodney, secretary slater to come up and close the program.

thank you, rodney. >> said to become would like to thank you for the great job you did moderating the panel. let's give the senator a round of applause. [applause] >> just a couple points to close out. you should know that come into this room, we actually asked the chairman and ranking member if we could sit in the chairs. you know they are a lot more you know, they are elevated. can you imagine sitting up there and that's the thing. they told us can you imagine? no, you cannot sit up there. you have to sit here. so we are here, and little power thing but we enjoyed the experience the let me also say clearly we've learned something. i did not know beverly, that we have as many passengers moving through union station, 37 million, and more than the

number of passengers moving through the largest airports in the region. that's fascinating. i did not know that. and then clearly oliver, as is always the case come helping us to really appreciate the importance of science and math and technology as relates to transportation. i always like and enjoy our conversations. chris, thank you for letting us know that this is a ripe market. i don't think we always knew that. i don't think we always fully appreciate that. and so thank you for saying that. and then michael what i look at you and when i look at jen. teaches you what he did? he took care of some personal business. he said to jen he said take care of i 395 and then he said to mike my mother really appreciate you for that. i mean this is our partner at the firm. so he took care of some personal business, and we acknowledge

that too. and hopefully i'll get taken care of a little personal business as well because clearly we've got the movers and shakers to get things done. let me close with this. regina harper mentioned her father and if i may just as a point of personal privilege i would like to mention as well. his name is bobby harper, and bobby allen ford dealerships and we see colin bobby harper for their as you know president clinton served as governor for a number of years and he got a chance to appoint bobby harper to the highway commission twice. these are tendered terms so he served 20 years as a member of the arkansas highway and transportation commission. and when i came on board in 1987 he was the chairman. and one piece of advice i got from one of the members was, do you want to be successful on this commission? and i said i would love to be.

and he said all you have to remember is how to count to three. and i said that's interesting. i said what do you? and he said, well, there are five members on this board. it's constitutionally independent so much we are appointed by the governor we can basically do whatever we want. and all of the money runs through this commission. he said so he can get to other members to go along with you then you can do practically what you want to do get a it's legal and that sort of thing and if we've got the money. and then i had a conversation with bobby harper, and we talked and he said he said i represent the richest part of the state. and he said you are from the delta, the most economically challenged part of our state. he said, i think we should

follow the governor's advice, and that is, we should always try to count to five. that's the lesson in power. and i really think that's what the senators have been talking about as they had been leaking these panels. they have been saying let's go to all of the members not just those on the committee, but to all of them. let's as republicans go to democrats, and as democrats go to republicans. let's as numbers of the public sector to the private sector and as members of the private sector go to numbers of the public sector. so tell bobby that he did not only meet a good lesson but we've heard that lesson espoused in this been today. and with that, we are a journey. thank you. [applause]

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>> good afternoon everybody. this is your last chance to back out. ready? good afternoon everybody. welcome to washington institute for near east policy. i'm dr. matthew levitt the director of the stein program on counterterrorism and intelligence here at the washington institute, and i am very very pleased to have you here at some of you in person, some of the online via live stream, some of you live via c-span. you are all welcome for a talk on money flow in the age of isis fbi and following the money with gary roberts. gary is at the fbi's terrorist financing operations section, a longtime friend who has been there and he's done that. he was in new york on 9/11. he was later deployed in iraq.

he was a liaison officer to interpol, india sent a tremendous amount of expertise and insight. this is part of our counterterrorism and lecture series. some of the recent events come if you missed you can still catch online involved and even with the assistant director, just about a year ago almost here at this podium. director of nctc, state department counterterrorism, general allen in terms of the effort to counter the islamic state then of course, was one of its subcomponents, a counter isil finance group which is focusing in on friday issued just this week and we had a statement that followed on combating kidnapping-for-ransom. there are lots of things that are going on any care finance world things that are changing some that are reverting to things that were before like

the return to the abuse of charity and some that are new. so it's a very kind opportunity for us to have this conversation. with no further ado or just before introduced jerry to the podium i will ask if you could please turn off your cell phones. when we get to the q. and if you could wait for the microphone to come to you and to identify yourself and speak into the microphone so that not only can we in the real to you but the viewers on c-span and on the lives bring -- live stream viewing as well. with no further ado gary roberts. >> good afternoon everybody. my name is gary roberts, i'm section chief of the fbi tourism and his operations section. 21st i'll think about at the washington institute for having me here today. want to thank matt for inviting me. i'm pleased that will provide you with an overview of how we

are adapting and evolve into the current threat of isil and the challenges that rented an apartment overseas face. i've had the pleasure of working with the washington institute for about five years and on a variety of topics homegrown violent extremism, counterradicalization. i'm honored to be your in my new role as section chief of tfos. before i address passivity financial aspect of isil of which address how the fbi is causing adapting to evolving just as the threat of international terrorism. our deputy director spoke last year at the time he advised by the fbi as the u.s. governed lead domestic intelligence agency as we transform the coming threat focused intelligence revenue organization. as such the. is committed to the full integration of intelligence and operations. as matt mentioned i had been in the new york office and party

coming back to fbi headquarters i was in the baltimore field office are not only was the counterterrorism assistant special agent in charge ask also assistant special agent in charge. so that required a job at intel and operational integration and to let me to do that within the field level operations. one way at the macro level that we did a great intelligence and operations within the fbi is the integration of our fusion cell model. this model allows us to integrate intelligence analysis and operations by having the analyst and special agents co-located addressing the threats. these and other speed on what both national and international threats and provide intelligence on current and emerging threats to our field offices as well as to other agencies. within tfos we added additional element of putting financial analyst as part of that model.

we are also addressing and staying ahead of the threats by working with state local, and federal partners for our joint terrorism task force throughout our 56 field offices. we also work with a fusion centers, the intelligence community and our efforts abroad. the importance of partnerships with the private sector, particularly the financial interest to come is critical for the. i want to touch on a few points regarding private sector partnerships. partnering with private sector has been focused on before i got here but one i've continued to champion since i arrived. how do we accomplish that? is through a rigorous schedule outreach and training that we provide with private sector partners. in partnership with treasury and other government agencies can we conduct outreach and training through our financial sector partners throughout the united states. the financial industries efforts

and resources dedicated to detecting and reporting suspicious financial activity is key to our success in the terrorism financing world. what's reported is a critical tripwire for us to detect financial movement of known and suspected terrorists here and abroad. the analysis of this information to my without intelligence to get the highest in the united states government is critical to identifying new associates and suspected terrorists. this information is not only critical to identifying the activity within the united states, but abroad as well. in conjunction with the treasury department tfos conducts annual training sessions in new york at the federal reserve bank of which is recently had one which was attended by approximately 200 of our closest partners. during those sessions we provide an opportunity for the financial sector to get the key insight

into what we are seeing both currently and what we did as emerging threats. we do so to about our private sector partners have the most up-to-date information to allow them to more accurately and more definitively report their information. such meetings allow us to better inform industry of our emerging threats, what to look for and thereby enhancing their operations as well as our own. i cannot discount the productive work done by private sector in the united states, through their new and mature in financial intelligence units that many financial institutions have. they provided us critical information, information that is led to new fbi cases. so with isil i will touch on in the last leaders with successful disrupted over 100 counterterrorism threats.

in the last year alone we've directed dozens of americans that are provided or attempted to travel overseas to travel overseas to fight for isil or provide financial support the people of those success stories the threat we face has never been more complex. with core al-qaeda having been degraded our catechism efforts are challenged by a combination of the decentralization of violent extremism as in the case of isil come in general and stability in the middle east and after isil has lessons learned and is rose from promise a relative short period of time. vice decentralizing the method by which they spread the ideology isil has been effective at targeting english-speaking audiences throughout the multiple social media sites. al-qaeda's use of unit and

social media, for example, inspire magazine has provide isil the blueprint to recruit and provide guidance on how to attack our critical infrastructure and our economy. it's masterful social media has allowed them to reach tens of thousands throughout the world. further their goals and aspiring individuals to plan and conduct attacks throughout europe, australia and even the united states. as our director said last thursday their hundreds, maybe thousands of people across our country who received recruitment overtures from the terrorist group or who are directed to attack the united states the keypad is like a little double sitting on the shoulders thing to kill, kill, kill. with regard to foreign fighters that threat is tied distinct way to isil and other combat zones throughout the world. service messaging isolate think is attracting thousands of individuals from across the world interest in fighting alongside isil.

the fbi engages u.s. government agencies, the intelligence committee and a foreign counterpart in an effort to pursue increase information sharing with regard to identify foreign fighters combating radicalization and exchange is regarded outreach programs and policy changes. through this collaboration the fbi is working hard to ensure foreign fighters from other nations been entered the united states. the fbi has also expanded within our catechism division to the electronic, analyze and ultimately neutralize the threats emanating from this region to the united states a team for which tfos is an integral member. given the prolonged nature and expertise to which isil spreads its message to social media, the fbi remains concerned as u.s. persons will continue to be attracted to the region and maybe attempted to travel to fight. with regards to financial intelligence, in the early days of tfos it became apparent to us

the critical importance of the financial intelligence and identifying the hijackers and the larger network of those responsible for the 9/11 attack. even with a critical lesson, it sometimes is overlooked and underappreciated piece of intelligence. you often about the critical role of human intelligence or signals intelligence, with regards to detecting and disrupting terrorist activity but not have as much about the role of financial intelligence is much more complex considering bank accounts of known or suspected terrorist. when combining the finit with the other intelligence and were able to build a complete picture of the threat. we've all seen the report of isil's financing through oil kidnappings, extortion and theft taxation. debate, the outside financial support is minimal compared to

those fund-raising activities. however the financial tracking of isil and foreign fighters is not simply the broader picture of the financial support beyond those immediate areas. but following the money we are able to identify the interest of competitive were able to identify foreign fighters, logistical networks before they depart their countries of origin and most likely return or perhaps return. in conclusion, to succeed in combating terrorism, we remain intelligence driven within the fbi and continue our close collaboration with her government partners, for partners and the financial industry. partnerships are necessary for the success of the fbi's counterterror submission come at the financial intelligence the work that tfos this is a different. thank you again for having me come and we will take some questions now. thank you.

[applause] >> thanks, gary. that's a fantastic introduction to a conversation about where we are in dealing with the problem of illicit, particularly terrorist financing. so i will kick off take the moderator's prerogative and give you all a minute to formulate your pointed questions for gary. that's an instruction from formulate some pointed questions for gary. and i will take you in order i see you and please remember to wait for the microphone and identify yourself before you ask your question. some of the ways we know things are different today is in the fact that ice controlled particular territory. i'm always does but i've had -- from being able to easily access international financial system they have found some backdoor means of accessing banking.

as i've written recently and as was reported in a financial action task force report there's some kind of sanitized, declassified examples are from the united states. so, for example, according to put sensitive financial information collected by u.s. authorities in financial transfers of sometimes have been received in areas i'm sorry, in areas known to be a funding logistical and smuggling hub for financial terrorist fighters come for foreign terrorist fighters and organizations. in some cases excessive cash deposits were placed into use accounts and then sent from the use accounts via wire transfers to recipients in banks in areas that are never isis operates come in iraq but not quite isis controlled territory. so are cooked for exhibitor end of the cases just to cite a

third type of situation -- kirkuk -- people who don't know that\mr.{-|}\mister who they are unknown% made for in cash withdrawals in say iraq from atm machines in areas that are near but not quite under isis control, obtaining money from u.s. bank deposits using check cards. so literally drawing an atm transaction in areas near isis control from a u.s. bank. so talk to us a little bit about what you are seeing in terms of some of the in the weeds financing is happening here in the united states not the sister of this kind of macro organizational level i think part of what we're seeing with isis is, as you said, they're big financing as a group at home that is largely domestic criminal activity, kidnapping-for-ransom, oil, et cetera. what do we sing abroad? what do we senior? >> as i mentioned a primary

source of isil's funding is there criminal activity in their controlled areas. it takes a lot of money to keep the lights on in the areas they control. so a lot of that funding those of there. with regards to the outside funding though that's where we are saying the self-funded in many cases of these foreign fighters. it doesn't require a lot of money if you bought an airplane ticket to travel to a neighboring country can make your way into isil controlled area. again because of that it makes the investigation that much more complex. we were not talking of sending thousands of dollars talking in many cases hundreds of dollars. the uniqueness by which isil operates and a decentralized way in which they operates allows people to have that ease of sending those smaller numbers. what we do see as you mentioned was the atm withdrawals, if you mentioned the wires.

that's the type of information we share with our banking partners. want to be alert for. again we realize them not to paint a broad brush but we realize there's perfect legitimate reasons why individuals from u.s. banks would be withdrawing money in iraq syria, or neighboring countries it is perfectly legitimate reasons for them to send wire transfer to its a combination of information of the definition that the banks provide with other intelligence that we have entered holding that really paints a picture for. so it's not necessarily just one piece of the puzzle. >> right over here. wait for the mic and i know you are but tell everybody else. >> i know she is too. [inaudible] -- very informative and want to catch on once said of ortiz.

you mentioned hundreds may be exposed to materials in the united states, maybe thousands. that's a lot more than has been publicly discussed in the past. i want to know and of course, you been involved in many of the discussion about what role the fbi was taken domestic efforts to counter the threat to the homeland. so can i ask you where that conversation is right now? like, how does the fbi feel about working with committee groups doing interventions, the role of local, state and locals as opposed to the fbi? i'd love your thoughts on that. >> sure thank you. we have worked with each other for a few years now so with regard to those numbers come that was a quote from our director from last week. it is the potential of isil's social media campaign that can reach hundreds or thousands of individual at any given time. so the chili to clarify that point of those numbers. we are not saying i thousands of people within the united states are arming themselves today to

conduct attacks based on isil but that's the reach in which isil can reach her is in the hundreds come into thousands through their social media. [inaudible] >> they reach or can reach but it's a distinction between the individuals have necessarily read the material and those as we talk about the continuing a radical session that regiment of that are marching down that continuum radicalization. ..

definitely a one site now at a in the back we need to all work together to counter the violent extremism mission. the fbi doesn't get paid money for the number of arrests pa if there's an opportunity for us to talk to individuals as you and i both know that maybe walking down the wrong path we obviously would like to do that. >> excellent appeared right here in the middle please. >> scott james from the new york times. a couple questions about isis

recruiting in the u.s. one is a lot of these cases, young people suddenly have turned up at $1500 to buy a round-trip ticket to turkey. i wonder if you have seen any evidence that money is flowing back from 79 central so to speak over the money is coming to. the other question is the fbi has put a lot of a lot of resources into stopping people from flying off to fight for isis. i have heard people in minneapolis raise the question at least why? why do you stop them because you create -- either come join us or carry out attacks at home.

by stopping a sort of self identified what loyalists, are you adding to the pool of people who carry out attacks at home? >> so with regard to your first question, a lot of this is self-funded. there is no great picture at this point that i can go into in further detail here with regards to isil facilitating travel. the means by which we seek individuals obtain the money quickly as sometimes as simple as taking money from their parents without them knowing. there is many means by which daft common crime, borrowing money from family and friends by which they disguised the purpose for the money is another way individuals have attained the cash to allow them to travel. with regards to your second question they are a threat whether they are here or abroad. our goal is to disrupt the

thread. while we certainly don't want his individuals i would argue that then going over to train into site would increase the threat that they are today. by preventing them from getting the additional training, whether they are a threat to u.s. interests for a partner's interest abroad as well as coming back intentionally with additional knowledge would be far greater threat to the united states. it becomes a decision point with regard to do a disrupt them now or disrupt them later. quite frankly we are in the game of disrupting an earlier. >> if you're interested i testified before the committee of parliament this week. that testimony and the problems and opportunities and challenges from self financing. read it here please.

thank you. >> this is a public relations. in my world no-space was something that required 99% of my investment time and effort and i would maybe look at 1% occasionally but i would never talk about it never even publicly discuss it. is this political correctness when you must want it other terrorists is 199% and why mention them both in the same breath. >> if i understand your question we are talking about the cbe comments i just made in

general? i think i provided a breakdown of it. so we are concerned about all threads of the counterterrorism division and the homegrown violent extremism by international terrorist groups, but also another concern of the domestic terrorism groups. i wouldn't begin to give you a fraction of a percentage by which we dedicate, but we are all threads within the counterterrorism world. we obviously have cyberdivision, counterintelligence and criminal divisions of the whole mother set of priorities. within counterterrorism, let us focus is inspired based on the numbers. as i've mentioned before 100 disruptions in the last few

years. i wouldn't venture a guess to say what is their breakdown but obviously we have to prioritize based on the greatest threat to the united states. >> right here on the left. >> jerry, would like to challenge your contention about the growing challenge or to raise your contention of the growing importance of countering the terrorist threat from isil in the financing. you yourself describe it comes at two levels. one is low-level opportunity self-funded and the other is in the isil and organization which controlled territory and has resources in almost every way from al qaeda. is that current rules and regulations are they designed for another era and more careful

and indeed can challenge these organizations on the basis of finding them. >> sure. when we talk about financing as two aspects. the tactical level with the foreign fighters in the self funding and the smaller option and then the strategic level as we talk about the more macro level approach to disrupting finances. in this case is when we talk about the macro level approach we have one seat at the table a nice working with treasury and state to disrupt that. isil is a completely different animal. a completely different organization. it's a completely different way in which we operate. it gives us an opportunity in different ways as we see whether it is the coalition airstrikes as well but basically what we need to look at the financial aspects of it it is a

two-pronged approach. we need to disrupt it at the low level with the firefighters and facilitators, but then we have to look at the macro level. not just an attack about counterterrorism, but all criminal entities as well would probably need to continue to look at and read just those. >> right up front please. >> thank you. representative of the united states. my question is somewhat linked to the previous question. i remember a line in the wire, fire drug syndicate junkies. follow the money and you get organized crime. one of the goals of isis and isil is to settle the caliphate. last december, mr. totten hoffer was allowed access in case some

open source reports about what happened in there. you referred to a security system social welfare system, school system which are the embryonic signs of an economy and formation of the state. yet you can strangle an economy by economic sanctions as effectively as you can by military intervention. my question for the e.u. perspective and we shared the same threat in the e.u. and the u.s. we fight the same enemy in the e.u. is more at risk from the amount of foreign fighters returning from the conflict zones. but in the financial sense, is there anything you would suggest that the e.u. we are working while treasury but in the macro sense, it is important we have a coordinated policy to make sure we don't allow the terrorist state to foreign. we join together and that is somewhat related to the earlier

point. i would welcome your views on how we increase collaboration on the period >> unfortunately we don't have anyone from the treasury or his state department with regard to sanctions. obviously, our partnership with hero paul and interpol and other national organizations is not necessarily the same approach comes at the same collaboration with al qaeda and other threats. this presents an interesting challenge as the previous individual acknowledged. i definitely agree this has become the whole of government approach. the line of effort targeting finances as a whole of government approach for the united states in which we use every tool within our toolbox whether it is sanctions, the tactical side of the fbi or other federal agencies as well. yes we need to look at

sanctions. guess we need to look at other avenues in which they are fund-raising as well. it is no one answer. it is a multipronged approach which we can disrupt finances at the tactical and strategic side. >> by the way is the former treasury and state person we are seeing some of that. this financial action task force root for on isil financing one of the best records ever done done slowly in an effort to bring in examples from as many partners around the world as possible. not just the u.s. as the reports tend to be. it is much u.s. information. this time it was information from the arab states. it wasn't just the arab states. off the top of my head there are examples from the netherlands, denmark finland, not just the

u.k. or france. so we see this type of international cooperation in particular but not limited to transatlantic already. david pollack. wait for the microphone. >> thank you very much. dave pollak at the washington institute. i understand the current focus on isil. at the same time according to the u.s. government the prime state sponsor of terrorism in the world today continues to be iran. there is a great likelihood that there is the result of the nuclear agreement, iran will get a quote, unquote signing bonus 50 to $100 billion. right away. so from the point of view of counterterrorism finance, you see this as a potential issue.

>> absolutely. we have the table here to speak specifically about isil. as the gentleman here asked we only talk about one of the many threats the fbi is tracking. we track all state-sponsored terrorism as well and are confirmed about the aspects of all of it. the rule with regard to that is critical as well in regards to partnering with the rest of the united states government. i agree with you to make sure just because isil appears to be the greatest threat that we can take our eye off the ball and continue among us. >> in terms of your remit the fbi agent responsible for finance investigation in the united states, it is much more likely to see terrorist groups changed in fund-raising come in fund-raising, in fund-raising, the ntc states abroad use the united states. that happens but it's less

likely. >> absolutely. that's absolutely correct. >> i'm arrested them at the atlantic council and journalists. i was wondering what pressure you are putting on countries in lebanon. there's a million dollars that are smuggled through the airports to an organization to hezbollah. and everyone knows about it. as well for example, last year there was someone arrested who was linked to also smuggle for the people supporting isis. they are sponsoring in a way to what pressure we can put on these countries. >> sure. again, with regards to those come in the example you gave one player at the table here is as partnering with as matt

mentioned to tackle those examples. when you talk about the disruptive sale i'm not sure the exact example you're discussing at the moment. we play an integral part or one of the other law enforcement agents is we are partnered up with investigations. as the previous gentleman when we talk about isil and the money flowed there with regards to hezbollah as well and other terrorist groups, which track the money as well. >> as this week in -- come up front, please. >> i am from malaysia industry.

you see that one of the stores of isil and the clash low from the selling of oil. [inaudible] that is number one. number two, of course from oil isil will buy weapon strengthen the opposition. what pacification does that supplied the weapon and white effort to stop it. thank you. >> i really go into detail to the suppliers of weapons to isil. with regards to the oil obviously it is not just the fbi

again with the department of defense that has a big role in the destruction of their oil transports and the united states government as a whole striking matches the united states government, but our partners as well with the oil refineries that they've created along the way to move the oil. >> yes, the very front. there you go. >> chelsea damon. i would break down for eyes as the gentleman just said now, oil is one of the top players for bringing funds to the united states. also weapons. could you go into the other illegal trafficking of individuals, bribes in the community, et cetera and also

how those play and with the countries neighboring syria and iraq and how can the u.s. intervene as well as be a part of cutting off the funds as they travel potentially. >> great comic thank you. in regards as a mentioned comic thank you for the question. with regards to bribes extortion, taxation, it is publicly known as far as the looting of the banks and the hundreds of millions of dollars that isil pays through that within their controlled areas it is also fairly well known that they tax the local businesses by which they are able to derive the funding. so with regards to those sources of financing and the fbi doesn't really play a major role within that.

we would do so as that relates to individuals of interest targets of fbi and be able to assist other government agencies that their investigation and their tracking of that. we don't play a major role in that aspect of it. with regard to syria turkey and other neighboring countries, obviously the fbi has partnerships there are legal attaché program throughout the world and we do so with the engagement of the state department, treasury and other agencies in order to have essentially a whole of government approach, whether it is the movement of people the movement of items. we again have one seat at the table, but it is really multiagency, multination approach to identifying those paths first and then disrupting them. >> all the way in the back. thank you.

>> leandra bernstein, sputnik international press. you brought up the partnership you have with the private sector. forgive me for being skeptical of this but a lot of large players in the financial sector credit suisse hsbc has been key players in laundering billions of dollars of drug money, other illegal funds. there is a blockbuster report added the senate finance committee. i'm not sure what exactly happened with that. but how do you address the fact. i am just assuming those types of institutions, wall street european banking institutions are partnering with you.

how do you address in their my view very poor track record. >> obviously with regard to our role we don't necessarily have a role with regards to their compliance for their lack of compliance in a couple of the examples you mentioned there. primarily our points of contact within the institutions as i mentioned the financial intelligence unit and sometimes the compliance of the organizations don't have it yet. it is really from my dad is really the way to better inform them so they can prove. we realize not everyone is at the same playing level when we talk about financial and cetaceans. some are buried dance. some are very proactive. some are doing their own targeting in their own analysis with regard to terrorism finance

team and foreign fighters and are way ahead of the game. the partnership by references to bring everybody up to that level. if by doing so they learn best practices from the other partners in an environment similar to this then that is great for us. that is a win for us as well. it is not just about to terrorism financing. in our last meeting of the federal reserve, it was not terrorism financing. we brought in the counterintelligence from our cyberdivision. and hopefully through that we can play a little piece of making all the banks that much better when it comes to compliance and alertness. with regard to the example you gave again a lot of sad is not just terrorism that slows funds

or banks. there's a lot of criminal activity and sometimes the banks need to be better at what they do but often it comes as a result of this poignant anxiety then. >> as i can follow that because there's lots of investigation included russian banks and improve compliance since then. when you talked to the federal reserve and others, what is your read dice in the very current environment improving tank filters? in other words, a bunch of people from the private sector i see. we try and help the private sector establish more effective filters for the illicit activity we see, but there is a difference as several questions have suggested in terms of how isil financing is happening. how do we improve that? >> that's a great point in the key to the outreach.

we are trying to increase business rules. but everyday use currently to come up with that. it's not just about the private industry. it's about our partners in government as well. we don't want to rely on historical information, rely on charities. we want to make them smarter. is the example you gave earlier providing that kind of key points to what they're already doing helps to add their business rules and by doing so perhaps they don't do 800 sars and a timeframe. perhaps they do 250. but as those 250 are much higher quality and much more sensitive not just for them as well. >> right here. we will go over here.

>> chesnutt that the center for public integrity. i am confused despite value says so far about how you can remain optimistic about making inroads given a lot of self financing with the transaction, the flows of money are quite small. these are not large enough to be reported no matter how carefully you fine-tune the bank rules. how do you actually come intervening, what are you doing to intervene and prevent people from traveling and getting the training he said he wanted to do. i don't see the connection between the outreach which seems like a wise thing to do when the training you do is banks in this circumstance, which involves small amounts of money, people who self identify people who travel, get money from relatives and families. how can you make an impact?

>> sure, that is a great question. as i am talking specifically about the financial intelligence as an aspect of this. that is just one piece of the pie as they make the impact. as i touched on earlier the human intelligence the other avenues. we have individuals in the public that come forward that they are aware of that may be discussed in a small group of their desires. the financial intelligence is really just one sliver of this that helps us paint that picture and i guess we can think of it as a watercolor paint by numbers. it is just one of the colors. the other intelligent the general public concern to see something, say something campaign often in many cases we have the public. not just the financial sector folks advisers have individuals raising suspicion.

there is information we receive from foreign partners as well that will help paint the picture. again, to clarify for your sake and to clarify for the good of the folks here as when i specifically talk about the financial aspect of it. the more knowledgeable we make our partners could be the key component we are missing. if we have a lot of other information that financial analysis, the financial intelligence could be the piece of the puzzle we are missing. >> is also an element of developing information. there is a myth out there that following the money is only a fact that at a certain level large enough to have a footprint. can have the ultimate receive certain trends you can change. to follow up the last question do we need to lower our

reporting threshold in terms of how much money is considered suspicious something we've talked about a long time and is discussed legislatively. when i go to australia, they always kind of needle me that we have 100% inside into every transfer that goes in and out of australia, which is probably less than a year that goes in and out of new york for the month. do we need to be lowering significantly? i think we do. >> has a question from the world bank as well re: taken a look at any amount standards. we need to constantly not just look at the financial rules, but electronic communications. the world is ever-changing and we need to constantly look at the existing rules and assess whether or not they are satisfied with what the growing

need is. talking about the $10,000 rule for leaving the united states or whether we talk about stored cars in which people are able to move money. we can look at a question right here in the front. >> my name is ron taylor. i have a couple of thoughts. the financial enterprise. for me using is a disconnect. i don't know how much money they raise.