do you know about this and is this publicity over the fraudulent photos doing any damage to get the message out about this? >> i don't know anything about it. i don't know anything about it, but obviously that's -- you know that doesn't do anything to diminish the fact that people are suffering and a human

rights catastrophe that happening over there. and that part of the world. so if there's pictures circulating, so what? that's not -- that doesn't diminish the fact that people are really suffering and there really are picturing that are harrowing on ships. i want to point that out. they're real picture. >> when you talk to them, where do day want to go? >> the one woman we spoke to was stuck on that ship for three months at a time. she was trying to reunite with her husband in malaysia. she had not seen him for seven years. that's what she said. i don't know dish mean, that's what the said. and i have no reason to think

she wasn't telling the truth. and she said that if she had the opportunity to do it again she would, which i found -- i couldn't believe that. after what she had been through. she'd been beaten on the ship. shift stretched her legs she was beaten. her kids were crying the entire time fed a handful of rice per day and a cup of water. horrible conditions. so i think they just want to good anywhere where they have a better shot, a better shot of living. one of the kids -- we met these three kid that were tricked into going. like i said i just want to go back and one of the things going on -- a couple journal-its told me a couple years ago this would have pan freedom trail story. these refugees, fleeing and escaping.

that in fact it was a good thing because they needed to get away from the suppresssive situation but as the stakes went up, and the price went up, and so then you had these brokers who themselves, in the camps are rohinga, and the traffickers who were piloting these ships would not leave with their human cargo until it was filled up. so they would have to then -- so they started to trick people and kidnap people and bring them on to the ships so a lot of these people that ended up -- a lot of the rohinga ended up on the ship were tricked or forced into going there, and there were negotiations made in some cases to brick them -- to bring them

back for their family, meeting with community people with clout, community leaders and they were able to get them returned. but i really think people are desperate and they want to get away and they're willing to risk their lives in this way and it's really incredible. and it's a very grim situation. >> before i ask the final question i have some housekeeping. the national press club is the world's loading professional -- leading professional organization for journalist and we filing for a free press worldwide. former information on the club visit our web site press.org. to donate to our nonprofit journalism institute visit press.org/institute. i'd also like to remind you about upcoming programs. actor, humanitarian, gary sinise, with discuss this advocacy for american service men and women at an npc

breakfast tuesday june 16th june 16th and also on june 16th, the club will host a newsmaker teach bait with experts on whether street cars are an answer to america's transit problem or a pointless throwback. and washington capital's coach barry trots will address the national press club conference on wednesday july 8th. identity like to present or ge with the traditional national press club mugs. very valuable remembrance of these events. >> now we have to put coffee in them. >> and how about a round of applause for these two also, by the way. [applause] >> now we have time for one question, and in the time remaining, matt, maybe you can

tell us about what is next for you, wayward pines you're going to continue on that. are you thinking about anymore movies? what sorts of things are you think can in your near future? >> well, in my near future i'm not sure exactly what my next acting job is going to be. that's the plight of the actor. never a sure where our next employment comes from. however i'm working on a documentary about music bat guy -- a cuban singer, project i have been working on for quite a while. documentaries take a long time. and so that's what i'm doing. so i've been spending a lot of time really focused on that world, that music and so that's really what i have to finish this documentary for sure.

then i have a few other projects film and television, different things i'm developing i have written and directed, and very much enjoy doing that. so i want to figure out what my next sort of fiction feature is going to be. as a director. thanks. >> and michelle, how about you? what is next for you in addressing this crisis? what do you plan as your next step? >> well, the next step is to make sure we keep the issue alive. as i mention i think this is going to require a lot of time there is no quick fix for the rohinga people, but if we think that the boat crisis is the only thing that keeped our attention

and as soon as the boats stop flowing we forget the progress. the boat criss is a phenomenon on something much deeper that needs constant aattention. we hope other governments will come up and the governments will keep on messaging what it has been doing to date. so we'll be strong keeping on pushing, we'll return there. we will keep on working on the network of rohinda across the world to make sure their voice doesn't die out. [applause] >> i want to thank all of you for coming today and i'd like to thank our national press club staff, including the journalism institute and broadcast center, for organizing today's event. the research and work that our speaker's committee chairman put in for this event. i appreciate very much. and remember, if you would like

a copy off today's program you can go to the web site, press.org. you can also learn more about the press club at that same site and keep up to date on all of the upcoming programs, and to follow us on twitter follow press club dc. thank you very much. we're adjourned. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> here on c-span2 the communicators is next with democratic congressman hank john son and technology innovators talking about patent legislation in congress. then today's presidential campaign announcement from former florida governor jeb bush followed by your reaction. and later a discussion on the outcome of recent elections in turkey. >> c-span, crated by america's cable companies 35 years ago

and bright- -- brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. >> this week on communicators we talk with members of congress and entrepreneurs about the problems facing technology companies, especially in the area of patents. we also look at the new technologies these companies are developing. this is at a tech fair called ces on the hill. >> a company named laminar mr. mer, what do you research. >> a company i firearm a flight simulator that lets pilots practice flying on the computer, they can then fly the real away more safely and lets arrow space -- aero space companies test out design to see how the airplanes will fly before the cut alum newman and carbon fibers, and test pilots will be more prepared for the first flight of this new theoretical

airplane. >> why are you here on capitol hill? what into do you have? >> i'm being sued. i wrote x plane and three and a half years ago i got a call from a lawyer in texas saying that he off erredded to defend me in the lawsuit i had just been named, and my response was what are you talking about? i do any own work, in my own office. i don't read patents. he said you're still infringing on a patent and we'll defend that. how much will that cost me? he said, $3 million. i read the patent. the pat tent as far as i can tell seems to describe looking up a name on a list, and x plane is sold on google, as many apps are. the way they google store looks they look up a name on a list and see if a customer paid nor simulator before the simulator launches. so i'm on the google store. the google store lookses up the

name on the list and the patent describes looking up a name on the list, must mean they own my lives work, cost me $3 million to defend myself and they offered to go away if i would give them $50,000. i'm electing to pay the 3 million to defend if that what it takes and not give them the $50,000. but my case is incredibly rare, 97% of the people sued by patent trolls have to settle because they don't have the $3 million to defend themselves. 97% of them by an average of $300,000 to the pat tent troll that i suing them. now weapon they the settlement they're look under a nondisclosure agreement which the contract says they're never allow today tell anybody what happened to them. so, we have a system where patent is approved that makes little or no sense the patent troll, an entity that creates no

goods or services but only sues people for infringing on pant tents, present this victims with a million $defense tee offered to almost them off the hook for $300,000 on the condition they never tell anybody what happened. how many people can come up with the $3 million to tell the truth? not many. i'm one of the very few. >> what were you doing previous to your -- >> seven other people all for making apps on an detroit owl at answer so i'm able to share the defense cost, thankfully my house i paid for so i can sit there in my house and work even if every penny of revenue goes to the lawyers. >> what are you hearing back from congress? >> they agree. the vast majority of the people in congress agree that h. r. 9 the current bill to address the patent trolling problem, is a great bill. i'm so encouraged that they agree that hr9 is good and it's

going to bring it up to reality not the climate it was designed for many years ago and hopefully the law will actually vet yet on. last session -- get voted on. last session 90% of the house i think voted for patent reform bill but then made it to the senate or vice versa sacker somebody kept the bill from being voted on, even though almost everybody approved it, hoping that won't happen this year. hopefully it will actually get voted on this year and turn into law because it's necessary to bring the patent system from the ideal under which it's created to address the reality of the way the system is actually being used today which is to require patents to make no sense and then use the patents to sue people that are working. >> when you look at the other side what is the argument on the other side against your position? >> the argument on the other side is it a if an inventor invents somebody he should be

able 0 reap the rewards from the idea he thought of. that's thing a: if i don't knee any better i a grow. except for one minor problem. when an inventor files the pat tent is he really inventing something new or just filing a patent for something that everyone is already doing? this is an actual patent. it's a patent for a stick that a dog can play with. and it was approved by the patent office, in the year 2002. in the you're 2002 the patent office defended that when someone sent them a patent application saying i propose a stick that a dog can play with, they approved it. that is the level of patent that the patent office actually approved. and so argue; oh, i invented something so i want to have my invention protected is completely hypothetical. it's not what happens in the real world. what is actually happening is people are getting patents for ideas that are not new that people are already doing every

day, and then suing everyone that does those things, claiming that the patent office gave them the permission to own the idea. well, people are see us people for using a wi-fi at the office, forogy a scanner at the office, and in my case, for using the google store to sell my app which google and i are in agreement i should be able to do. so the patent trolls actually take out a patent that is not new or unique or nonobvious or beneficial to society any way at all and then sue people. now, the logical response at this point would be, well, if the patent is ininvolved, no problem. that's what the trial is for. go back to the beginning of our conversation. $3 million to defend yourself at trial, to see if the patent is valid. how many people have $3 million to defend themself? that's why they have to take the $300,000 itlement for the patent

that makes no sense at all and are locked in a knopp disclosure agreement when the do so it nobody can find out what happens, so that'sle what is actually happening. >> how of o. does this happen. >> 85% of the companies the consumer electronic association has ben suedes by pat trent trolls 85%. patent litigation is one of the most common litigations happening in the federal courts right now. how often? i don't know, but that's kind of the way the lawyers have it sit up. when they make people sign nondisclosure agreements in my case the patent being used to sue me is owned by the lawyer. the lawyer is suing me and another law firm is doing the legwork to make the lawsuit happen. so we have lawyer owning a pat tent lawyer running a law firm with another law firm doing the legwork to sue me. who is the one and only inventor

in this process? and i remind you write flight simulators for a living. who is the till inventor? what's the patent law actually doing? >> what is your name of your product? >> x plane and here it is. and off we go. >> joining us now is representative hank john son democrat from georgia and a member of the judiciary committee. why are you here at the ces on capitol hill show? >> it's always good to see the change that happens from year to year with technology. and what investments people have made and what products have been derived from to the investments and how those products make life

simpler, make life easier, but yet pose a whole new set of issues legal issues, that we in congress need to be aware of. so this helps us see what is happening on the ground, how things work, remove this from theory to a practical application, and i make it a habit to come each year. >> what are some of the public policy issues you're hearing from this -- that people are showcasing their wares here? >> patent protection, and also copyright protection. copyright protection and copyright protection, people who come up with these ideas and receive a patent or copyright they receive that property right

and the right to profit from it. so when someone appropriates it or misappropriate someone else's technology someone else's property intellectual property, it is unfair, it's criminal. so how do we go about encouraging and incentivizing the creation of new products, and preserve the ability of the creator to profit from those creations. that's the big issue. as time goes on, and as technology changes and the law has to change to take into consideration the new technology. >> is there bipartisan support? >> no, because much patent reform that we are concerned

with currently has to do with closing the courthouse door to those who create -- making it more difficult to actually use the courts to enforce their property rights. so that's the big divide. that's a hurdle we have to overcome but i think that the fact -- the framers of the constitution intended that people would be able to go to a court of law and settle this dispute. in fact, the seventh amendment to the united states constitution provides for a jury trial in a civil case at expense in over 20 tuesday -- $20 in value and that's the procedural hurdle and close the courthouse door to make it impossible for

someone to go to court and have a jury of their peers decide the facts. and award any damages that may or may not be due -- we close that door, then we're closing our way of life. so i'll fight myself to make sure we keep those courthouse doors open, that the third coequal branch of government in fact be adequately restored so it can act as the third coequal branch of government, joining us, halfway johnson member of the judiciary committee. >> nutritionix asks if your brand is fda compliant? daniel sadoff, what do you 0.

>> we help restaurants reply if fda regular legislation is by showing calorie counts on the menu boards. >> why are you showing your wares here at cef? what kind of technology? >> we have nutrition calculators we contribute for the different restaurants, and recently there was a patent troll going after any company that had any form of a meal builder and luckily they went after a lot of large companies that were able to have the budget to fight the troll and bravo was able to actually have the patent overturned, and ever since the troll went away our company has been doing much better and having huge growth. >> so being here on capitol hill your issue -- >> our issue is patent reform and we're here too speak to congress people to mention which part including demand letters and endem nick fission indication clauses to help

entrepreneurs better serve their clients. >> down talked about that it patent troll. what is a patent troll. >> a nonpatent agency that goes after small entrepreneurs or larger with a small claim honing distract a large settlementment the cost of fighting a troll is in the millions of dollars and settlement could be just six digits. >> what is your background? >> half commuter science and political science but learning the ways of business. >> hough did you come up with the idea of essentially interactive menus? >> along with our cofounder we had built a prototype while we were in college just a new tryings calculator for -- nutrition calculator for chip poet lee, and it was -- which i poet lay -- chipotle so we built a -- >> what's been the response from congress?

>> well, so far this new congress seems very excited to have legislation on the topic and we're going to speak to as many congress men as possible to discuss the issues and see the best way to help the entrepreneurs defend their rungs and be able to run their businesses businesses where any of these demand letters that would put a company like ours under. >> gary shapiro is president and ceo of cea the consumer electronics association which puts on ces the big show in vegas-but we're up here on capitol hill. what are we doing? >> just giving members of congress and their staff a taste of where technology is going. it's obviously a hundred the size of the ces in las vegas but there's so many different things happening. a lot of these have public policy implications but they're

innovators and doing things that are different faking other business models and want the members of congress -- this is where -- doing all these things for safety in unable, safe at home entertainment options also in terms of privacy preserving your identity, great things coming in, health care and otherwise. look what we're doing we're coming to you congress, just so you know there's a lot of good things happening around our country. >> what are some of the public policy issues that the community is facing. >> one of the biggest by far is that every tech company is affected by these guys called patent trolls. they're basically lawyers looking for work and they send thousands of letters out buy a week-old patent -- weak old patent and threaten people for having wi-fi in a restaurant or using certain copy machine or the recent one had to do with running an audio blog, and they say give us money or we'll sue

you. it's legalized extortion legal in all 50 states. president obama the bipartisan house representatives last year passed legislation saying this is wrong and should stop. senator reid killed the bill, thanks to the influence of trial lawyers. now we have a new shat majority leader and we expect the bill to be signed by he lawyer. >> patent trolls -- companies we're seeing up here, they're facing net neutrality issues. >> everyone he's irunite with the concept. net neutrality is a good thing. an open internet allows businesses to be creative and i have to. it's a question how it's implemented. the message is, the fcc did what they did in to a vacuum and don't know what legal authority they have. it will be years of litigation, fights over the nominee. a new president could come along and change it. congress it's your job to pass legislation and say what the fcc should do about net neutrality. the senate passed a unanimous resolution on that recently and

we're hoping the entire congress acts and gives the fcc authority to act and say we need an opener in entity with very clear rules. the way the fcc hack outside have to go to fcc for permission. nobody likes that. >> gary shapiro president and ceo of cea. >> capitol bells this the company and ted henderson is our guest on "the communicators." what is capitol bells? >> capitol bells is a company that makes act apps for congress. we make apps for congressmen and their staff work better and work bet for. >> where did you come up with the name? our first app was called capitol bell and it is connected to the bells all around the capitol campus that ring out when votes are starting, when there's a quorum called or any activity on the floor of the house or senate. >> what's another app?

>> our newest app we released is called cloak room and it's a new way for congressmen and their staff and other people who work on the hill to get the vote alerts. it also lets discreetly discuss life on capitol hill. you can log in using your location don't have to share any personallings no phone -- >> like yicyack. >> yes. you can create aliases and build a reputation because these are your colleagues you're speaking with and by talking about politics, talking about what is new on capitol hill, you can bailed follow -- build a following and hopefully escape the partisan gridlock and talk across party lines. >> are these apps available to anyone outside of congress? >> these apps are available to everyone outside of congress. capitol bells anyone can

download and look what is happening on the floor what the current bell is. cloakroom, anybody can download to get the vote alert but only people who are verified capitol hill youers can use the social features to discretely discussion legislation. >> what this purpose of an app like this? so many different ways of knowing what is going on. >> i think it's a way to be able to actually find out what is happening right now in congress. aside from the official activities. what are people here who are working every day -- what are they talking about? what are the issues that are top in their minds? what are even the jokes that are being shared between them? i think what we lack right now -- this is my personal opinion but we lack community on the hill.

we have got ton a place where you send e-mails to talk to each other send e-mails to ask for a cosponsor to ask to sign on to a letter and you don't pick up the phone, don't go to the other person's office to talk to them face to face so you end up just dealing with these names out in the ether and you're not sharing any poker games or dinners or anything else. that's all you have. so i want to have a way where we can have a community talk about what is happening right now in real time. >> walk us through one of your apps. >> so, this is our new app cloakroom, and right now we can see, based on the information from the bells can the house is in session. the senate is city voting even though it's almost 7:00. here's the feed from the verified hill user -- >> created with cox?

>> yes. and they're talking about the helicopter that lanked right on the capitol lawn today. and we have a post and people can write comments. some of them aren't entirely serious. and others are. how did he not get shot down? >> this, again is cloakroom and. >> this is cloakroom. these are all verified capitol hill users who are discussing what is trending on capitol hill right now. of course, the helicopter landing in our frontyard is creating buzz. >> anybody can download cloakroom and capitol hill. >> yes but only verified users can -- >> you the social part. right. can anybody read the social part of it? >> no. >> just the verified user. >> just the verified user. >> why are you up here showing your products to members of congress?

what some of the public policy issues? >> well, a big issue for us is open data and open government, because by having open data like that that information from the bells, that tells us what is happening in real-time, we can create apps that help congress work better, and i think we need to have more attention on open data and we have an event we're sponsoring in a month called hack for congress, and hack for congress is a hack-a-thon where we bring technologists and members of congress and their staff who are having -- having members of congress propose their main points and their day-to-day office life? is it getting a cosponsor? communicating with a government agency? it could be anything. we want them to tell us what is wrong with congress. what makes i disk for you to do your job and by bringing hundreds of technologists and designers and poll so isymakers

maybe we can fine more solutions like capitol bells. we're getting them to. >> what's your background? >> i was a -- i have an engineering brown. i never really expected to be involved in politics at all. and i went to graduate school to study at moss atmospheric changes and i thought if 2009 have a career, i need to go to the hill and figure out what is going on, on a policy level and see how are we going change our energy economy. and after a few years of being a staffer on capitol hill, working for congressman dale kildee from flint, michigan, before we could build policy we have to hack congress and i used my engineering background for that. >> ted henderson of capitol bells has been our guest. >> thank you very much.

>> you have been watching "the communicators" on c-span. if you want to see more programs >> the 2016 presidential race has another candidate today with former florida governor jeb bush declaring his candidacy for the republican nomination. he becomes the 11th person to join the growing field of republican candidates. his announcement came at miami-dade college among family, friends and supporters. we'll show you that next and then open up our phone lines to get your reaction. [cheers and applause]

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miami-dade college. this is a place that welcomes everyone with their heart set on the future. a place where hope leads to achievement and striving leads to success. [applause] >> for all of us, it is just the place to be in the campaign that begins today. [applause] [cheers and applause] >> thank you. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. >> we're 17 months from the time for choosing. the stakes for america's future

are about as great as they come. our prosperity and our security are in the balance. so is opportunity in this nation where every life matters, and everyone has the right to rise. [cheers and applause] >> all right the choice is taking shape. the party now in the white house is planning a no suspense primary for a no change election. to hold on to power to slog on with the same agenda under another name. that's our opponent's call to action this time around. that's all they've got left. [cheers and applause] >> and you and i know that america deserves better. [cheers and applause]

they if a erred a progressive agenda that includes everything but proking. they're responsible for the slowest economic recovery ever. the biggs debt increases ever. a massive tax increase on the middle class. the relentless build up of the regulatory state and the swift mineless draw down of a military that was generations in the making. i for one am not eager to see what another four years would look like under that kind of leadership. the presidency should not be passed on from one liberal to the next. so here's what i comes down to. our country is on a very bad course. and the question is, what are we going to do about it? the question for me -- the question for me is, what am i

going to do about it? and i've decided i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb jeb. [cheers and applause] >> we will take command of tower future once again in this

country. we will lift our sights again. make opportunity common again. get events in the world moving our way again with'll take washington, the static capital of this dynamic country and turn it out of the business of causing problems and will get it back on the right side of free enterprise and freedom for all americans. [cheers and applause] i know we can fix this. because i have done it. [cheers and applause] here is in this great and diverse stay that looks so much like america so many challenges could be overcome if we could just get this economy growing at full strength. there's not a reason in the world why we cannot grow at a rate of 4% a year and that will be my goal as president.

[cheers and applause] 4% growing in the 19 million new jobs that comes with it. [cheers and applause] economic growth that makes a difference for hard working men and women who don't need a remind that the economy is more than the stock market. growth that lifts up the middle class. all the families that haven't had a raise in 15 years. growth that makes a difference for everyone. it's possible. it can be done. [cheers and applause] >> we made florida number one in job creation. and number one in small business creation. 1.3 million new jobs.

4.4% growth. higher family income. eight balanced budgets and tax cuts eight year in row that saved our people and businesses $19 billion. [cheers and applause] >> all this plus the bond upgrade to triple-a, compared to the sorry downgrade of america's credit in these years. that was the commitment and that is the record that turned this state around. i also used any veto power to protect our taxpayers from needless spending, and if i'm elected president i'll show congress how that is done. [cheers and applause]

[cheers and applause] let's go jeb. let's go jeb let's go jeb let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let go jeb. let go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. >> thank you. thank you. leaders have to think big and we have a tax code filled with small-time thinking and self-interested politics. what swarms of lobbyists have done we can undo with a vastly simpler system. clearing out favors for the few restitution rates for all. what the irs epa and the entire

has done with overregulation we can do by act of congress and order of the president. federal regulation has gone far past the consent of the governed. it is time to start making rules for the rulemakers. when we get serious about limited government we can pursue the great and worthy goals america has gone too long without. we can build our future on kole ven si instead of borrowed money. we can honor our commit. on the strength of fiscal integrate with north american resources and american ingenuity we can finely achieve energy security for the nation and with presidential leadership we can make it happen within five years.

arrest go jeb let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. let's go jeb. >> if we do all of this. if we do it relentlessly, and if we do it right we will make the united states of america an economic superpower like no other. we will also challenge the culture that has made lobbying the premiere growth industry in our nation's capital. look the rest of the country struggles under big government.

while comfortable complacent interest groups in washington have been thriving on it. a self-serving attitude can take hold in any capital just as it once did in tallahassee. was a governor to who refused to accept that as the normal or right way of conducting the people's business and will not accept it as the standard in washington either. [applause] >> we don't need another president merely holds the top spot among the pampered elites in washington. we need a president willing to challenge and disrupt the whole culture in the nation's capital and i will be that pratt. -- that president. [applause] [cheers and applause]

>> because i was a reforming governor not just another member of the club. there's no passing off responsibility when you're a governor. no blending into the legislative crowd. or filing an amendment and calling that success. as our whole nation has learned since 2008, executive experience is another term for preparation and there is no substitute for that. [applause] we're not going to clean up the mess in washington by electing the people who either helped create it or have proven incapable of fixing it. [applause] >> in government, if we gate few big things right we can make life better for millions of people especially for kids in public school. think of what we all watched not

long ago in baltimore where young adults are walking around with no vision of a life beyond the life they know. a tragedy played out over and over and over again. after we reformed education in florida, low income student achievement improved here more than any other state. [cheers and applause] >> we stopped processing kids along as if we didn't care, because we do care. and you don't show that by counting out anyone's child. you give them all a chance. here's what i believe. when a school is just another dead end every parent should have the right to send their child to a better school. public private or charter. [applause]

every school should have high standards, and the federal government should have nothing do with setting them. nationwide, if i'm president we will take the power of choice away from the unions and bureaucrats and give it back to parents. we made sure of something else in florida. that children with developmental challenges got schooling and caring attention just like every other girl and boy.

we didn't leave them last in line wimp but them first in line. because they're not a problem. they're a priority. that is always our first and best instinct in this nation filled will with charitable heart. yet these have been ruff years for religious charities and their right of belief. secretary clinton insists when the progressive agenda encounters religious beliefs to the contrary, those beliefs quote, have to be changed. that is what she said. that's what she said. and i guess we should at least thank her for the warning. [applause]

>> the most galling example is the shabby treatment of the little sisters of the poor, christian charity that dared to voice objections to obamacare. the next president needs to make it clear that great charities like the little sisters of the poor need no federal instruction in doing the right thing. [cheers and applause] >> it comes down to a choice between the little sisters and big brother and i'm going with the sisters. [cheers and applause] general jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb

jeb, jeb jeb general. >> it's still a mystery to me why in these violent times the president a few months ago thought it relevant at a prayer breakfast to bring up the crusades. americans don't neat led talk toes oned the mile aged when we ever deal with modern horrors committed by fanatics. from the beginning our president and his foreign policy team have been so eager to be the historymakers that they failed to be the peacemakers. with their phone it in foreign policy the obama-clinton-kerry team is leaving a legacy of crises uncon continued. violence union opposes.

enemy are d -- friends undefended and alliances unraveling. this supposedly risk adverse administration is also running us straight in the direction of the greatest risk of all. military inferiority. it will go on, automatically until a president steps in to rebuild our armed forces and take care of our troops and our veterans. and they have my word i will do it. [cheers and applause] u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. >> we keep dependable friends in the world by being dependable

ourselves. i will rebuild our vital friendships and that starts by standing with the brave democratic state of israel. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] >> american led alliances need rebuilding too and better judgment is called for in relations far and near. 90-miles to the south there's a talk of the state visit by our outgoing president. but we -- >> boo! >> but we don't need a glorified tourist to go to havana in support of a failed cuba. [cheers and applause]

>> we need, we need an american president to go to havana in solidarity with a free cuban people and i'm ready to be that president. [cheers and applause] >> great things like that can really happen and in this country of ours, the most improbable things can happen as well. take that from a guy who met his first president on the day he was born. and his second on the day he was brought home from the hospital. the person who handled both

introduction is is here today. she is watching what i say and frankly, with all these reporters around i'm watching what she says, too. please say hello to my mom barbara bush. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] >> by the way.

jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb jeb, jeb. >> by the way. just so that our friends know, the next president of the united states will pass meaningful immigration reform so that will be solved. not by executive order. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause]

>> back to my family just for a second. >> we want jeb we want jeb we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. we want jeb. >> i think i was talking about my mom. i kind of lost my train of thought here. long before the world knew my parents' names i knew i was blessed to be their son. and they didn't mind it out ail when i found my own path. it led from texas to miami by way of mexico. in 1971, eight years before then candidate ronald reagan said that we should stop thinking of our neighbors as foreigners, i was ahead of my time and

cross -- in across the border outreach. [applause] >> across a plaza i saw a girl. she spoke only a little english. my spanish was okay but really not that good. with some intensive study we got that barrier out of the way in a hurry. in the short version it's been a gracious walk through the years with the former columba degillo. [applause] whatever else -- whatever else i might or might not have going for me, i've got the quiet joy of man who can say the most wonderful friend he has in the whole world is his own wife.

olumba i love you. and together, we have had the not so quiet joy of raising three children who have brought us nothing but happiness and pride, george, noel, and jeb. the boys have also brought it more bushes. their wives mandy and sandra, and our grandchildren the near perfect georgia prescott, vivian and jack. campaigns aren't easy, and they're not supposed to be, and i i know there are lot of good people running for president. quite a few in fact. and not one of us deserves the job be right of resume, party seniority, family or family narrative. it's nobody's turn. it's everybody's test. and it's wide open. exactly as the contest for president should be.

[cheers and applause] >> the outcome is entirely up to you. the voters. it's entirely up to me, to earn enomination of my party and then to take our case across this great and diverse nation. as a candidate i intend to let everybody hear my message including the many who can express their love of country in a different language. c-span: block. [speaking in foreign language]

[speaking spanish]. [cheers and applause] u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a., u.s.a. u.s.a. >> in any language in any language my message will be optimistic because i am certain that we can make the decades just ahead the greatest time ever to be alive in this world. that chance, that hope, requires the best that is in us, and i will give it my all. [cheers and applause]

i will campaign as i would serve. going everywhere. speaking to everyone. keeping my word. facing the issues without flinching. and staying true to what i believe. i will take nothing and no one for granted. i will run with heart and i will run to win. [cheers and applause] it begins here and now and i'm asking for your vote. thank you and god bless you all. [cheers and applause]

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[inaudible conversations] >> former florida governor jeb bush in miami this afternoon about six hours ago. you see the numbers on the screen the line fob republican callers 202-748-le 921 dem contracted 202-748-8920, anybody else 202-748-892 2. let's start in san antonio with yesterday on the linephone independents. hi eddie you're on c-span. >> caller: how are you doing? >> host: are you there? >> caller: yes. >> what you think. >> just want to say that i really am confused with this whole -- it's hard to really trust anybody what they say but

after bush commented on what he did, it really made me realize there's really good people out there and they're not all white people out there out to get us. there are good white people out there trying to stand up for us. we respect that and he'll never know how appreciated people like me that are really trying to make something with of uses. i'm hispanic and i have family in mexico, and they're good people so the fact the is being a voice for us and he ain't even the same country he got a lot of love over here so want to say thank you to jeb bush. he is making us proud and we can honestly say that's the first bush that represented for us. so we want to say thanks to jeb. >> thank you for the call. easton pennsylvania, ryan, on the line for democratted. you're on c-span. what do you think and. >> caller: i got an opinion here about jeb bush. >> go ahead. >> my opinion is, don't you think we have another bushes in

the white house? we had two from how long. do we need another one? my opinion is, about jeb running is he's just going to follow the same b.s. that his father and brother did. >> all right, thank you for the call. alexandria virginia, barbara. republican line. >> caller: i'm just calling to say jeb bush is a pig. i live around latino people. they live and breed like roaches -- >> i think we have had enough of that. arlene from bronxville, new york. >> caller: i just want to say we're super thrilled that jeb bush us running itch think he will be a very positive force for the republican party base, and we're just super thrilled and we love the bushes and jeb's going to be terrific. >> all right. thank you very much. calling from garland texas on our line for democrats.

it's manuel, you're on c-span. did you watch mr. bush's ranks and what do you think? >> caller: i sure did. aim a life-long democrat, and he seemed like the perfect candidate at a time when this country needs to be stabilized, and i think as a democrat, the democratic party -- the democratic president has let us down to some extent. he has caved in to a lot of pressure from the left wing and he has caved in to a lot of pressure from middle america. jeb bush seems to be a bright light. just as a candidate. that's all i have. thank you. >> appreciate that, garlands, texas. let's go to philadelphia, the line for democrats steve what do you think about mr. bush's remarks today? >> caller: i think it's pretty much all wrong because he is going to be in that same

position his brother was. i think the president that we have now first of all got rid of bin laden and his brother had the chance to -- not making any comparisons, but he did compare when he was questioned about the gulf war the iraqi war he said his brother did the right thing and then he went back and had to change his mind itch just think my opinion that the democrats awful by themselves, especially the president have done an excellent job in getting this economy going getting jobs going, went from 11% up employment to 5% unemployment, and i think any change would be a disaster. and, jeb has to fight his own party. they're all split up, and i don't even think -- shouldn't

even be in there it's something that don't make any sense to me. thank you. >> all right appreciate that, philadelphia. we move on to mariah. you're on c-span. go ahead. >> caller: thank you. good evening. i am give all my congratulations to mr. jeb. love him. we all republican. we vote for him. thank you very much. >> i appreciate that here on c-span 2. with helen from lake charles louisiana. reacting to jeb bush earlier today at miami-dade college there. that's a multicultural college in miami. did you watch the speech and what do you think? >> caller: yes. actually i was surprised. i watched with reluck taps thinking i didn't like jeb bush. i'm a okay -- a-okay underand intrigue mess and maybe the --

>> what intrigued you? >> well, he diversity in the audience for one thing and the fact that his family -- he is married to hispanic people. i think he worked hard as governor and accomplished some things. he was for the education system. i especially liked what he said about the education and how they put all their children first and wanted their children to be educated. so that was good for me. and i'm thinking that maybe i will look at hem more closely now because i was not for him when i started watching this, but now i like what he said. >> all right. thank you for the call. mark in florida on our line for democrats. what's your reaction? >> caller: hi. i was just watching jeb bush speech declaring for candidate of the united states and i

watch a lot of c-span channels, and being raised in florida i saw jeb bush as our governor, and i actually thought he was pretty decent on the economic front, the education. it's a little mixed. on that. it can go ethe way. some things he did great some things not at much. taking money from public schools and giving it to private and charters he does have a point. children -- parents have a right to send their children wherever they need to go, but having said that i honestly do think that other than the fact that he did say he was kind of hesitant on saying whether he would take us to iraq when asked by megyn kelly, i think he is different from his brother and actually more of an open candidate than his brother ever was. so i'm not saying i wouldn't vote for him but i'm willing to give him a consideration to look at before i make up my mind.

because -- >> i think we actually lost the call. sorry about that. time for one more call here. it's jennifer in rock hill, south carolina, are you're going to get the last word so good ahead. >> caller: what i'd like to say is we have had eight years experience with someone with no management experience, and our country hasn't done very well as a result. the wonderful thing about jeb bush is he has a great deal of experience at making things run and get the trains going on time and that is what i like most is that we have a lot of very nice people, wanting to run for things, but we -- here's a man who has actually done things. and to me that is the most exciting thing about him and i do wish him the very, very best. i'll certainly vote for him and i'm sure there are many people

in my state who feel exactly the same way. we're desperate for leadership. thank you. >> thank you, jennifer. we'll say good night on that note to our callers. lots more chances as the road to the white house continues for you to weigh in. road to the white house continuing tomorrow morning with our charge o. the c-span networks. 11:00 eastern time, new york businessman, donald trump, will be speaking about his presidential plans. quick reminder that mr. bush, governor bush, heading to new hampshire tomorrow, heading to iowa on wednesday and then thursday, jeb bush is in south carolina. so that's a bit of the lineup there. again, donald trump's i announcement or discussion, whatever it is mr. trupp is going to say live on c-span3 tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern. >> this weekend the c-span cities tour partnered with comcast to learn about the history and literary life of key

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>> next, look at the recent elects in turkey and how the results might impact the country's foreign and domestic policies. the foundation for defense of democracies. it's an hour and 15 minutes. >> good afternoon everyone. i ham jonathan chandler, vice president for research here at foundation for defense of democracy, i want to welcome you here to our event on the

aftermath of turkey's elections. this should be a very exciting discussion today. i've very pleased to have with us john hannah, who will be moderating the discussion and also particularly pleased to have our two panelis erdemir who is a nonresident fellow bailed in turkey but here with week. he just recently finished to a term as a member of parliament in turkey, and to his right is ambassador eric edelman who has an adviser to the turkish program. first serving a america's ambassador. today's panel comes on the heels of a -- somewhat of a surprising election that took place last sunday in turkey. we want to try to dissect what it means. the only thing i'd like to tell you now is if you have your cell phones on, please set them to stun. and we will have a formal

discussion followed by your questions and we'll be sure to try to get as many of those in as possible. so for now issue turn it over to john and thank you very much for being here. >> great, thank you. jonathan. good afternoon welcome everyone. as jonathan said, i'm john hannah and i'm senior council at the foundation for defense of democracy, and i've got the real pleasure of moderating today's panel. for those of you here in the audience and/or watching on c-span who are not familiar with fdd we are a washington based think tank focused on don ducting in depth research on the array of threats and challenges facing the united states and our allies in the middle east and globally and on developing the policies and programs necessary to defend against those threats and secure america's vital national interests. if if you want to learn mere

about our research, visit us on the web site a www.defend dem address.org and follow us on twitter at hash tag follow fdd. jonathan said today we're talking turkey. specifically the june 7th june 7th elects and their implications for turkey and the united states. in a word, i think these elections were big. after 13 years of an ever-expanding domination of turkey's political life by the akp party and its founder president erdogan, the turkish people have said enough is enough. this was a refer rein dumb on his burning desire to convert turkey's parliamentary system into a most, if not all

state power and elected sultan and anatolian version of putin if you will. and turkish people appear to have responded to erdogan's almost unlimited ambition with a resounding no, not only dei nying erdogan and the ap a ruling major jilt in the parliament and giving 6 other% of their support to parties -- stopping erdogan in is power including the hdp kurdish dominated secular progressive power that that empowered turkey's large and historically problematic kurdish minority play an unprecedented role in the future of the country's legitimate democratic politics. there are lots of questions and -- that remain to be answered and no doubt lots of difficulties that lie ahead for

turkey june 7th was to my mind an enormously inspiring performance, a much needed triumph for the spirit of liberal democracy and a middle east landscape currently inundated by too much bad news. for those who have watched over the past decade with great dismay she slow drip, drip, drip of turkey's democracy being drained away by erdogan's creeping islamism and authoritarianism we frankly weren't sure anymore that the turkish people still had this kind of election in them. erdogan appeared to have been so successful over the years in grinding turkish society down, demagoguing some constituencies, demonizings others, instilling such a high degree of intimidation in the system that it was unclear that any group or institution still had the courage or the wherewithal to stand up to him.

well i think to a lot of people's pleasant surprise, we got our answer a week ago last sunday. turkish people did indeed stand up toard want and mustered no small amount of courage to send a loud and fairly unambiguous message that the erosion of turkish democracy must stop here. that i think is worth knosting and worth celebrating -- and worth celebrating. now comes the hard part. how does the result on election day now get translated into meaningful change and governance? what comes next for turkey? that of course, the subject of our panel today. and as jonathan noted great panel. it. if i don't say so myself. jonathan said, aykan erdemir making his debut as a nonresident fellow in fdd's new and ever-expanding turkey

program, which jonathan oversees with a big assist from an fdd researcher. who is one of to the best and brightest young scholars working on turkey today in washington. we're also joined by my great friend and colleague ambassador eric edelman who doesn't require an introduction but i want to say other few things anyway because i do love singing the praises. eric had an incredibly distinguished career in the u.s. foreign service. he concluded time in government as the undersecretary ofef for two years as america's ambassador to turkey. must be said nor historical record ex-income that eric had erdogan's number long before almost anyone else in washington had a clue of what was really

happening in turkey. and he still got the battle scars to prove it from his time in ankara. no one was more perceptive or more right bettered want and his underlying agenda, and the potential challenges they were eventually going to pose for both turkey and the united states. i still remember eric walking into the oval office, i think -- i can't remember if it was late 2003 or early 2004, to participate in a prebrief with president bush, in advance erdogan's first visit to washington as turkey's prime minister. it was the first time -- starry-eyed bettered want, the great reformer, the moderate islamist, the man who was going to transform turkey into a modern vibrant pro western muslim democracy that would serve as the ideal model for the rest of the middle east to follow. well that day eric walked into the oval office, took me aside shook my hand and said, in a low

voice, john, we have a serious problem here, but no one in washington seems to realize it. how right he was. unfortunately, it would take the greater part of another decade before the rest of washington caught up to eric, not to mention a good part of the people of turkey. eric today wears many hats. a distinguished school at the center for strategic and budgetary assessment, professor at john hopkins served as a member of the influential congressionally mandated defense policy panel and as jonathan noted, most important for our p.es now a senior adviser to fdd's turkey program and it's great to have him as part of the team and welcome him here today. i'm going to pose my own questions for the first 35 or 40 minute and then we'll turn it over to you in the audience for your questions and comments.

we'll cover as much ground as we can and conclude as close to 1:15 as possible. with that, let's get started. let me get this going by simply asking both of you now after i'm nd partially optimistic assessment of what might have happened on june 7th to just spend a few minutes for each of you telling us what you think the main headlines were from what happened in the elections what exactly were the main takeaways for you. aykan, let's start with you. ...

it's not all rosy picture. where to begin? first of all we had to consolidated parties consolidate parties in the election, chp in a pp shared one thing in common.

90% of their grassroots were decided, followers decided to vote for these parties two weeks in advance of the election. here we see two solid support bases. then we had inmate be in hd, two parties was perceived quite a lot of strategic votes in the last week. so these are the parties, one out of five voters came in last week. and to be frank the assumption is the votes that came to mhp had to be add-on skeptics and the votes that came happen to be again authoritarian skeptics would like to see some advantage in the parliament. difficult difficult to argue these two arguments difficult to prove. what we see is a lot of the kurdish conservatives turn into htp with them last week.

in the exit polls these people still see add-on as the most successful leader of the campaign. 13 percent think it was the most successful leader of the campaign so as some scholars warn us we should not overemphasize the overall progressive nature. the 20 percent secular kurdish leadership at the top. and then the values and politics. we have seen no space this stronger. more conservative came. similarly what we see is they received quite a lot of

swing votes. but these are people who share quite a lot of the values and policies. probably they thought he was overstepping his mandated position. and the exit polls a week after the election now that you no it's up would you have voted otherwise? almost 5 percent say if i knew the results would have been this way i would have voted for akp. they are now regretting their vote in my swing back. we also see the same. so maybe we should -- my take on this would be we should not read too much of the progressive liberal democratic interpretation.

we should not belittle the importance of the election. ultimately turkish elections prove that there could be a return from competitive where incumbent with huge advantages can never delay -- nevertheless suffer relative defeat at the ballot box command i think this is an important message for the region. >> thank you. thank you for that generous introduction. i found a little intimidating it is now no matter what i say will be downhill. first, i agree with you. there are some positive elements in the election results, but i share the concern that the overall

picture is more cloudy and has some dark clouds within the silver lining, if you will. first, election results clearly put in place at least the spirit n the way the former prime minister now president was to create an executive presidency it is a positive thing for turkish democracy. democracy. secondly, the fact of the htp successful campaign and its ability to get over the 10 percent threshold is both a a mark of the maturation of turkish democracy but also potentially a positive sign for the country's ability to finally resolve the issues of the kurdish minority. having said all that the

election result i think i think also reveals that turkey remains a very deeply divided society. we talked a little bit about that but if you look at the map of the geographical distribution of boats there is a sliver along the aegean coast for chp has most of its work, some places in the center of the country and along the mediterranean coast where mhp is strong htp strong, htp obviously is strong in the southeast command and all the rest of the country is all akp country. and it looks a little bit like some of the maps that are drawn of the united states, the red and blue maps of republican nomination of rural and ask urban areas of the united states and democratic domination of urban areas using big swaths of red.

you know, turkey is a very deeply polarized society. the bad news is that the akp is the only party that is competitive across the nation. the others are not competitive everywhere in the country. akp in his deeply divided society remains the only national party. secondly, we now face a very uncertain future for turkey with a hung parliament and the prospects for formation of the government not immediately clear, at least to me. the president was uncharacteristically quiet for the 1st three or four days after the election. one action. think he is trying to demonstrate by his actions is that he is not going to see this vote as in any way inhibiting him and his effort to create this executive presidency. he has already taken a

number of steps that clearly are not within the habit of the constitution announcing that he will be calling party leaders together to meet with them individually before he turns it over to the prime minister to try and form a government. he is also making it clear that he thinks there is a very reasonable prospect that there won't be a government and that the country will have to go back to elections. despite the fact that the prime minister has indicated that, perhaps, a grand coalition that has suggested might be in the country's best interest might be possible. my suspicion is that the pres. president does not want to see a government formed within the 45 day time frame set by the constitution and would like to see the country go back to elections in part because he reads the exit polls the same way i i condos and thinks that there is a

chance that if turkey applies the eu standard that there is a chance that, in fact he will do better in a 2nd election that he will get at least a governing majority if not the super majority that he thinks he needs to put in place amendments to the constitution to enshrine his executive presidency. i foresee a time of some political instability, perhaps greater market volatility and economic issues for turkey and a very uncertain outcome. >> okay. can you just bring us to the technical process of the way forward now? how the effort to form a government will be made? what are the necessary steps to grant constitutionally? >> the newly elected turkish deputies are still to be

sworn in. once the ceremony takes place at the turkish parliament within the next week there will be elections for the speaker of the parliament. and those elections will provide us some hand as to what might happen with the coalition government. right now no party has majority to elect a speaker of the parliament. if the opposition party, if they decide to unite their votes they can actually for the 1st time in 30 years who is not from the akp. right after that starts the clock and i agree president probably would like to run the clock. he can do this in a couple of ways. he has shown that he will

try to be part of the coalition talks. he also has quite a number of wireless and followers within the new group of deputies who can make the coalition building ever difficult and more importantly reading the exit polls, he knows that there is now a group of voters both among the htp and mhp who said that they would have voted for ak had they known the election results. now, just swing back and probably won't push htp below the 10 percent threshold. it is still likely. i think mhp will suffer even more. and if within the next 45 days there is a viable

coalition we can have free elections which add-on is hoping will bring once again a single party rule. when the voters us what your preferred coalition it seems to be the most favorite. followed by a coalition of the free opposition party. in my opinion the 1st one is quite likely because two parties share quite a lot in common. this of course would imply a return the hard-line nationalist policy vis-à-vis the kurdish question in the region. feels good for the majority

the difficulty of demonstrating htp's and mhp's turkish respectively kurdish and turkish nationals turkish -- turkish coalition still have consensus building skills to overcome the world. you should keep in mind that right after the elections one of the >> it is.

>> the constitution does give the president the authority the turkish collision -- coalition, they should receive this opportunity. when we talk about traditional, they also realize that add-on is a great the fire of tradition. we never know what cards he has up his sleeve. >> does he have a specific amount of time that he can try. >> can't run the clock. a president who an interest in forming a coalition government he cannot.

but that probably is not likely. >> okay. he would never get a chance to be the one. let me clear prognosticators, tell me what you think the most likely scenario is here. do you think we're going to run out the clock? is there a chance for a coalition or minority government even? if so, what kind of government? >> it is a a little hard for me to imagine actual coalition emerging. in some sense and most observers would say the most likely coalition one could envision would be in mhp coalition because there is

some commonality there in the world use with the parties in and the voters of the respective voters believe. however, i would note that the head of the mhp has been quoted as saying yes. fine. happy yes. fine. happy to have a coalition, but the commit -- the conditions for that the corruption scandal that broke in the summer 2013 has to be brought before the bar of justice and that includes your son. give a cement we can have a government. also that the president would have to abide by the understood constitutional norms of the turkish republic which is to stop chairing cabinet meetings, stop inserting himself in the process of forming a coalition government. it is extremely difficult for me to imagine the president agreeing to any of those conditions. so the idea that you are going to get that is hard to imagine. i think both have suggested

at least in public comments that they are open to a kind of grand coalition that would represent 60 to 60 to 65 percent of the voters which would in some sense overcome this deep sense of division. but i find it hard to believe that the coalition will be formed either. the two parties are just so far apart. and for the chp to agree to a coalition that did not impose some of the same conditions that mhp has talked about, holding the government accountable for corruption and the president accountable for behaving within the constitution i think actually it would damage them in the future. it might give them a chance to hold the ministerial portfolio for a while but i don't think that it would enhance the party prospects

electorally in the future. on the contrary, i think it would diminish the. it is a little bit -- and it was said that coalitions are out of the question. question. i cannot imagine them entering into a coalition. whether he would be willing to silently support and akp minority government, government, i think that is a more open question and would not exclude that. but the reality is even if we get a coalition government the history of coalition governments in turkey is a weak government that does not last long. and so i think one way or another we will be back to the turkish political party will be back in an election campaign going to the voters sooner rather than later. >> and i mean come on the akp in a position in particular, we have heard a lot over the years of rumors disagreement tension within the party.

does appear to have been possibly exacerbated by the results of the elections. think there is a new book out by an advisor to former president cool that highlights a lot of the disagreements between the former president and president heard one for particularly over things like the protests, the corruption scandals that are mentioned at the end of the 2013 and should have been handled. can anything come of that? are they going to suffer any price within the akp? is there any chance former president we will try and make a comeback? or is he still very much the man in control dominating this party and we'll get his way? >> i would argue the way in which this book was launched

is very indicative of the style and politics. the book was written by his chief advisors of the last 12 years, and the book was really actually -- he was told to wait until after the elections. the implication is so we don't hurt the campaign. it has so far been very timid, careful is a politician who does not like taking risks too much. he is doing it again in a very gentle manner. he will probably not be too proactive in trying to have a takeover attempt within the akp. on the contrary we might see

a declaration of independence by trying to take greater control of the party. he has already indicated a few times that the president should stay in his role, and the coalition talks should be among the leaders and not with the pres. so we might see him slowly trying to assert his leadership. of course, he knows his limits and the extent to which they are loyalists. >> let me comment on this. i i also want to ask you about the turkish economy. how it might play into these scenarios. before the before the election there was a serious offer of trouble particularly the drop in the lira being a good indicator which was exacerbated the results of the election. how nervous how nervous do you think the markets are foreign investors are?

and is this kind of potential glowing uncertainty heard the akp in your view going forward? >> i want to come back to the question of the recent book and the details, the disagreements between former president and the incumbent president. the comments which i agree with. but, look, we have not mentioned it yet but it was the other big factor in the election besides the resistance pretensions to a stronger presidency. the economy has the economy has been slowing down for some time. turkish voters, i think pretty well-established. frequently are voting on the economic record of previous government.

and that is one thing that has been a major source of strength since 2002. but the slowing economy clearly hurt. i think you were right to.to the decline in the lira. is down about 30 percent now i think that the current account deficit which has been extraordinarily high for a number of years the fact that a lot of the direct investment has been portfolio investment and is hot money moving in and out of the country a prolonged time of political instability, particularly if it ends up being accompanied by violence in the southeast for instance which you already see some signs of over the last weeks of the election could combine to exacerbated structural problems in the turkish economy and lead to a real

crisis. post-world war ii economic history is a history of boom bust. one of my one of my predecessors used to call a sine wave economy. and i think that you could see that reemerge now and become a factor the economic overall of this comes do. let me just say one thing i agree with icon. although he has had no shortage of public and private criticisms over the course that he is set, he has never really shown the stomach for a political fight that many people had hoped he would have because i think that's face it the

logical conclusion from what i said at the outset which is that akp is the only effective national party and the other parties can't really compete one of the things that has undermined turkish democracy has been the weakness of the opposition and the inability of turkish voters to conceive of them as an alternative party of governance. it's been one of the great advantages. in and the only way that's going to change is if it sometime they fractures. the emergence of turkish political parties the majority is. >> thank you. let me as quickly about an important topic more

uncertain, the kurdish issue and how these elections are going to affect the process. at one time it seemed that perhaps a major motive for the president to be engaged in this the kurds would be the constituency the push them over the top in terms of getting the majority needed to create the executive presidency. now he presidency. now he appears to have the opposite result. these elections in the piece process in the kurdish issue has actually strengthened an alternative kurdish party weakened the akp and empowered to another party the mh. that seems quite opposed to the entire process. so i -- can we say anything about how the elections are likely to affect this piece process that seems quite fragile, bogged down they

likely to help, hurt or is it all dependent on what eventually emerges in terms of any kind of governing coalition? >> i think the magic has always been his ability to attract both turkish nationalists and kurdish nationalists. and with this election the puzzle is once again. this time by losing both the turkish nationals and occurs nationals. in the last two weeks of the campaign he did appeal the turkish nationalism. at the expense of the kurdish votes, but ultimately he emerged losing both ends of his support base. today i think what happens is from my.of view the kurdish what seems to be gone. i think gone. i think it's a one-way thing. it will be difficult to really attract the kurdish vote, kurdish vote, kurdish

conservative vote. there is a new sense of ethnic solidarity different dynamics within the region, new kurdish consciousness rising. if you rising. if you compare this to the turkish national i think that both can come back which means again that he also think that the coalition is more likely turkey might be going for a disaster scenario. that is turkey might go back to the denials policies of the 1990s and akp mhp coalition could be quite a highlight is coalition. i have i have heard comments on both sides highlighting the military/security option one thing, deputies and leaders are missing in.

turkey is no longer the turkey of 1990. kurds are no longer the kurds in 1990. turkish security presence in turkish to -- kurdish minority regions are nowhere near the 1990s. turkish state and military and the police no longer have the same options on the table, no longer have the same capability command i also used to serve as a volunteer/shadow for the kurdish minority regions. region. and to be frank, people wouldn't know the region no the everyday life in the region can.out to you the vast difference between what we have today as opposed to 1990s. the pkk seems to have full control of the region and any attempt by an akp mkp coalition to impose a security centered approach more of a turkish islamic

centered approach in of the region will backfire and will probably feel a lot of unrest like we have seen with the uprising. >> can i just ask you again if you want to comment about the overall impact. is it significant that all that the kurds have now gotten into the ballot box and elected this party that may be made up of pkk sympathizers but is not necessarily fully convergent the pkk? is this introduce anything interesting or is it probably too strong to be of some help of the the southeast southeast and the kurdish politics, is still very much the pkk has a major voice.