also is a powerful story of coming of age. the way i see your story is that it is also a powerful call to action that is a rally cry that states and very powerful ways of human rights and of women agency for freedom and liberty the wave that i read your book with three major ideas. the first is that you speak so powerfully and provocatively is that

meaningful progress on the democratic front cannot be made cannot be devalued or dehumanize. the debate that has opened the pandora's box. so that can only be completed for the revolution in to take cold. console that the body of your work as well as your many articles to find that deepest expression in the political manifesto with a call to action of extremely

powerful and profound ways to move forward. you call for women to you dig deep to find powerful tools this is something from our own cultures you cause of male is engagement when you speak of the parliamentarian whose husband told her when women benefit men benefit. in with those dangerous idea

is in conversation with the ideas they could not have expressed. especially in the form in to talk about that later but it is among the most powerful ideas as a woman of color with a truly feminist moment because looking across the world today to see countries as diverse and different afghanistan to those

instances when i mentioned i think those activist to remain that way because of their feminist protests. even though according to conservative muslim ashab that turkish women say to the minister importantly in reference to a woman who was raped. and in response to police brutality to after the murder of trayvon martin with a #black lives matter. had i reference women of

color whether the middle east or in the u.s. to protest the of more indian feminist when historically to have a combination of things but with that installment the hatta burden to bear. but this is the racism that we fight so to speak out to say we will launder be silenced to work with misogyny that is important that is the point i want to

make to fight the racist right wing to use the word against mine been and i will never aligned itself with one against the other. it is groundwork for my book for the s say that i work wrote called why do they hate us because most of that support that i got was criticism that i was generalizing call and then i was hysterical to bathe based on these issues so i determined i would spend more time with more statistics to look at those issues that were painful

because that global gender gap index shows my part of the world with the gender index after a was assaulted in november 2011 that makes my a messages words. it as a gift to myself i would die my hair bright red of ways to change my body because i was sexually assaulted. and will they could not write for months when arms criticasters i realized the way to bring back the

message mitt was then a the realized i never call myself an activist before. to be as open with my own personal stories against all those things i believe that contribute to misogyny in central africa. for those who wait for a very long time and had zero i grappled with these issues. and it can be very difficult to tell.

to help other women to share their stories to say here is mine. >> but it is a very personal whole story set against the backdrop of the changing middle east and north africa in sitcoms during the movement when the women of the world convened from secretaire for dash - - secretary clinton so i see this as a chance formative moment. during adversity after that

calls for women as to reticulated earlier in the middle east of the legislative bodies and why they are devalued men are not at the table to draft the law is. and that is the point that you made. there is no monolithic woman and i paint that richness that i saw with the revolution for those women activists are mothers or young teenagers coming together for a magical or

powerful moment. so the differences among women and there is no single story that defines them and we need to be careful. i want to speak about your opposition to some extent with the forced failing of women? with women because of personal choice and to speak about the nuances of you set out very clearly the reasons i want you to touched deep into something of for us to

have a common cause. no matter how much you value

that i am a little concerned your message is devices and i want to speak to that. there was every single discussion many years ago i still obsessed with my day and thinking and your emotions. my mother wore a head scarf for, sister wore the headscarf. i mentioned in the book how it was opposite none of my female relatives wore the veil so in the middle east or north africa with is a pendulum that has swung back and forth with conservatism

at large. but what i am fighting men is the regions that claim to be secular. so with that atmosphere that becomes the canvas. so having taken off my head scarf a long time ago. they are clearly against it. said to take a clear decision with a headscarf. it was a position to have

more of a gold bull audience even with a christian white right wing. it is imported for people to realize globally and the reason i reject modesty and culture to claim to be modest or peter but those of there never asked to make for something that is with the minutes or promote the message that i prime -- promote of the feminist revolution. and where we stand together and they don't always support something just because a woman did it

because there are women politicians whose politics are very different than mine. so this is one instance leaving the fighting inside tunisia was a great example that this equality to put into the constitution will benefit us. this is the message that we can work on. so whether from the islamic gore christian point of view i cannot find common points because they feel they unfairly burden but having said that i started a support group for girls and

women. one of the things we tried to do is offer a safe place for women and with the veil and if they have a choice. because they want to be identified as muslims some are forced and also it also to escape male sexual harassment on the street. so with a support group by learned since the revolution began it created their own feminist movement of what i have come to know. because of that connection what does that mean for me personally?

but she took off her veil because she could not elaborate egypt without liberating herself first. said definitely to cross the lines but i struggled greatly with the concept of choice because men never have to make the choice especially north africa where the context is quite different when 90 percent of women wear some sort of pale i cannot see that here because of social pressure the someone will prefer to cover up just to be left alone. is there feminism here? >> host: this is an important debate and conversation and to say that women's bodies often are the background of the political

battles fought, you're absolutely right at the order of there family's honor. alrich en south asia or south america here in the united states. and what is so powerful about your book is that it is not unique to one region to make that clear. that you use this as a way to open up the dates for the issue and that is what makes it so timely. and that is what makes your books importuned. bollenbach to your words the importance of women's equality in the

family, family law is upon which women's equality is affirmed and in the middle east we see what is the most politically contested. so i want to take a back the way you call for legal change and social change especially in the area of personal and entitlement log but what i think is the supreme law of the land through the constitution to see that the egyptian enshrines with ecology and that is a good step. but what we see in the egyptian constitution

article 10 is the family is the nucleus of the society with religion and morality and founded on principles of equality. but it also goes on to say it is to protect motherhood but what about fatherhood? so is the cause of the state to protect the conciliation policies for women? but what about the work-family conciliation policies for men? for the family and home. and when it affirms gender equality without provision is problematic.

>> guest: that is the perfect example of the trifecta what we fight in the middle east fighting on the streets and in the home with patriarchy i don't just mean sexual-harassment or the state using the constitution to define what motherhood or fatherhood is why don't just mean family loyalties against girls or women but i mean working together for those that want to unpack and appear to work in unison with the recognition of that regime. but for decades feminism is

good for men and women. and a jet shows that we're not aware of this because to bring up the children to balance the work and home life in egypt is not a rich country in need everyone involved for the paycheck to cover and. how are we supposed to do this if there is no work or family balance? i have so many questions for women in egypt to talk about st. sexual-harassment. i don't want to be that men some how are you encouraging them? for the future generations of men? all we do is put mothers in the box and then say you are responsible you don't even have to work but nothing is

done to the answer that is also the same state that terms of plant -- a blind eye to sexual-harassment for those who were sexually assaulted. the same state that turns a blind eye to hold no one accountable and it also knows the family from the early stage uses women through genital mutilation so the first time we put someone on trial was last year in the country where 91 percent of women have been subjected to genital cutting. so the state is aware but it does nothing so in order to unpack those points to have

extremely damaging effects for that trifecta to focus the sexual revolution because if you just focus on a political level egypt is one place the man is another. and it has improved in egypt >> with the state's failure to protect women, what we see happening is for women to have clear ways to address the violence and sexual harassment. can you speak a little about that? to pass on these ways that they have different tools whether social media with the harassment that is now known across the region

where harassment is taking place one and where it is so pervasive. so can you talk about that on state action from the middle east? >> with the sexual revolution that i am holding up to say exactly this is inevitable. you mentioned this that was before but -- from before the revolution with a text message we also had bodyguards and anti-sexual-harassment projects because we had a draconian protest a law. but with protests in egypt

we had groups on the street that were to take men to police stations women from any instance because unfortunately over a very male-dominated public space it pushed some men to go out there and fight in the face of women who had broken it down. but these groups without to extricate women from the assaults. you had activist reusing incredibly provocative and controversial ways to address their bodies one was a young woman who was caught

nude in her parents' living room of who owns my body. we also hear the word consent who owns my body? the family has the right to cut my a genitals but other than to control my sexuality but with a religious or social pressure who owns my body through the virginity test so to pose nude in her living room she said i own my body but this was in her parents' living room to show that she had that saucepot

and to have examples of a visual artist to speak out against domestic violence and the hypocrisy of a lebanese athletes to begin to ask the question a woman's body that would prichard where she had a black guy? they are involved in very creative ways of who owns a woman's body at the consent at the time of revolution and it brings back memories but we also saw that women

failed to demand there rights and as it unfolded the human rights lawyer i watched with a sense of trepidation because women were not demanding equal rights at that point of a turning point for their history and the region. what happened is they allowed men to all that space and have a particular agenda democracy first women's rights second and what happened in the aftermath of the revolution ironically when they came marching back on women's day that they were subject to virginity testing and

electric shock and that was the most shameful moment of the revolution. can you speak to the ways that the women are feeling to address the failures of the revolution? both the political level? in what you call the revolution taking a back home and i completely understand what you try to say i think we cannot draw the of dichotomy between the public space because feminism's greatest project in mission was to break down that artificial dichotomy between the public in the private what configures of family and what is the public space? can you speak the ways in

which women continue to push the agenda? >> in 2011 and aquino revolution the sexual assault was called the virginity test that was from the moment of another revolution when the protesters say this has to and because of you just did to us but it was because it did not happen that i cannot believe with this revolution it could happen and nothing happened. liz very similar to the moment where the saudi schoolgirls were burned to death because they let them out of four burning building. there are so many moments to

draw the line to say that could have been a revolution or a girl who was forced to eat rat poison even though they did not have an uprising the way we did but allows the rapist to whiskey prosecution and then to be appealed so in that sense it is the young women who under horrific circumstances even though it was repealed with actual changes on the ground but it needs a grass-roots change so there are so many moments when we should have had a revolution but to continue on those smaller levels to realize after the algerian war against independence how did they

get the right to vote in the united states? so this is global we're told this is not the time we have political prisoners we have tortured and with his letters from the birmingham jail basically telling us it will never happen. wait until we fix education or wait until we fix everything. is the up or down equation. we have to fix that in justice so i will go from the ground up with my small support group i think of examples with the idea to

practice their pay where women can get ptsd counseling for cry heard of women to get together as a way to galvanize their own movement for those who are a street artist because they have become so well-known. but to break down the line between public and private that is why even in the face of the horrific sexual assaults this is ours as well even though they haven't had a revolution to

lift the ban on driving with disobedience because this is what it is so when i see them get into their cars often nothing will happen on the street that gives the of by that they decide they're not ready for the women to be equal these men who are from the police station there showing us all of these examples women's groups counseling groups all of these are clear messages

with the moroccan human rights defender to be head of that country's human rights group to criminalize acts as head of marriage but those that our important so handling those sensitive issues of consent and agency to say the space is ours. >> paints a vision unfolding in the region through that you're making connections to women all over the world in pushing the frontiers with politics and reform.

and acknowledge the fact because of the revolutions taking place there is what i would call creeping change for the first time to outlaw the violence against women to create terror constitutional level but at the same time there is no sense that women security constitutes national security so that is for issues of free speech or freedom of movement then it women's issues that somehow they are separated on civil

and political and social economics. so what you have done is break down the barriers that our artificial and do not capture the reality and i think that is why your book formulate a call to action as a chance formative change around the world. that is why given the power of your call to action that it is being heard now that it must be said that we have been silenced for so long this is on behalf of women all over the world and i want to thank you for doing

that. but i want your message to be heard to resonate among all women. that is why i am worried because of the way in which you choose to afraid your message we want this message to rekindle to make a difference with that foreign policy article of why did they hate us because your

messages of unity. one and solidarity. >> i am also a big fan that we must shape things especially in times of revolution and i am not a fan of the respectability policy so as designed to shake things that so the words come across some times with those words that women traditionally uphold so i want them to be sharp to

shake the society up i love my part of the world if we got shaken up now we will lose that magical opportunity because i do think there are those that believe they don't shake it up as much but at a time also to have extreme right wing conservative groups that to young women go to servitude. that is not polite for who

ran that campaign to replace that with the flour milling dash flower could not be put on a campaign poster. that is incredibly of unjust so to be on the other end of a the spectrum i am not calling for everybody to be a civil as i am are to be as radical but to stand up what i consider the moral the often jolt - - offensive zero ultraconservative right wing movement in my community where i come from my may be called the radical but that shows that we are

differs the way the world looks at muslims generally as a terrorist or as a conservative but we're not out to be anything else. we are provocative with that spectrum of behavior that everybody else is allowed for what is especially provocative now to talk about sexual desire at a time with isis systematically raped the women. when of the best things we have done it egypt is we have broken the taboo which is great.

but if we just talked with the sex and violence i think that is very damaging we must reclaim the desire that we had in poetry in the past. to say this is my heritage. the one to bring back into my culture today to have desirous women this is part of sexual behavior and we have the right to enjoy and as women do say it is about consent and agency but consent of the little girl and the agency of the adult woman to say yes i deserve sexual pleasure. >> we need to reclaim the history of the mint's

history that makes us so rich. but what i want you to speak to is the way in which you write about the failing of women might crime and punishment what they put on our head is how we introduced ourselves to the world and to some extent that is what of failed does as identity politics. and you have been fairly careful and nuanced about the ways in which women choose to wear the veil and why they wear it and you also mentioned what you would like to do is to see a project where you can walk

across that division and hold hands across the dividing line. it is a great challenge to women but also allows us to forge a deep and enduring connection. so going forward have reduce yourself working with the party member with the secular agenda with a progressive agenda, as he sought in tunisia with the constitution it was shared by both men and women. not as many women as we would have wanted but they were at the table we saw of a different set of constitutional rights that enshrined the right to water

and to health. so i see the value of working together and not be obsessed with what women's shoes to wear. i know your transformative message goes beyond that of what we wear because after all what to wear on our head for what matters is under the hat we we're on our head. so i want to speak to the ways of the common good. it is not just a woman's issue and to speak to this

clearly. we can only create a revolution if men joined this for the greater good of all humankind. i want your message to be heard and claimed and embraced by all and in so doing i don't want them to be scared of the headlines. but to set out are you a the dating a crowd of women and men you want on your side? to read that is the question i have constantly wrestle with because i abuse to be a news reporter. when night saw that it was

provocative for a while somebody would suggest i towed it down a little bit for more people to listen. but my style is to be gastritis feminist writer and i do that could cost me some people who may not want to do this in but those that recognize a i remember when i was 19 years old and at university in saudi arabia i first discovered the feminist journals i remember that they terrified me because i understood that once they open those i began to be a feminist in which change everything in my life. the things the frighten you the most often och while unleaded the the the most. i thought my message would ignite the way that i was

shaking with that message at the time because i felt that i myself as a 19 year-old woman who stopped wearing the headscarf age of 16 then realized it was not for her but did not have the power to take off a check me eight years to take off a i realized it was easier to choose to wear it and to take it off. so with those women struggling how much power do i have or control of my body? somebody gave me the shoulder to stand on. you can do it but it is one step at a time and here's your first at. i hope for the young women out there, read my book is in the way you feel the u.k. and -- that you can of the

journey of one woman and then began her old personal revolution as a way give snippets of my own life story and they go to political picture that i was not always like this and the outspoken feminist struggle eight years for a headscarf that once had chosen but i no longer wanted. so to give those words and headlines because sometimes someone that speaks with such a loud voice even though they frighten me i want to be like them. >> host: your own evolution and confirmation is what makes this book so profoundly rich and alluring

to be. and with which you write it is a struggle and you are conflicted the way the community responded to a was fascinating the way they supported year-old in a way to undermine your agency. to speak of the family member that once said she is not married now but she will find a husband because she wears the veil that correlation with morality and virginity is very troubling. what is next for you? >> i think i would love to write a book with the message of global feminism because in 2011 and became a

u.s. citizen that the return to cairo i was there between modesty culture and the purity culture over there i fight the muslim brotherhood and the conservative message the regime has used to fight them so who will fight them here with a christian brotherhood? so i am working on a book of essays that connects the parts of the world have lived in what makes it appear in the culture or what is a correspondence 1997 through 99. so to be in that modesty code is very similar. so to draw that parallel to

define modesty and purity with many different religious traditions. so with those connections is outside the middle east and north africa also we learned a lot especially as global women because what works in the context is the always work and our context for about of the 25 however communities have fought sexual violence there is a book of essays that global feminism and how we stand out that is surplus ground

by politics and religion. >> i want to take a moment for your future because this idea of the of cross pollination of the practices that work across geography division is what is most needed early in the morning you talk about the woman that was raped just a couple of years ago on the delphi pass but it is feet movie that was done and with a different attorneys going public speaking to the press

to say if my daughter or wife had either extramarital sexual relations i would not hesitate to take her to my farm and burned her alive. so what you call misogyny exist in different parts of the world in this coming together is a powerful next step for you. you have so much to share with your sisters with the united states and also have enough to learn from each other. i want to take a moment to ask you about the ways you will engage not just locally

or nationally but at the global level with your field work and research and stories to have an impact on the international global creation. for example of conference of discrimination against women with that final recommendation is about women's the engagement and peacemaking they talk to the women at the table that are in transition. i want your world to shape that the global level. and as an agent of change to not just the grass roots

communities but to encourage them and for the revenue -- revolution as you know, veridical -- article nine on citizenship and those areas that governments and countries make those polled to. . .

i think you're absolutely right and they've consistently shown us what a joke they've made of the convention that women should be proud of so absolutely the message i would love to. >> thank you. this has been a fascinating conversation. i have enjoyed learning from you

and i hope that your voice is designated out of the world and i want to end with a quotation from pakistan but said no nation can rise to the height unless women are side-by-side with you and that is your message. your message for the resolution is that it is an incomplete one not just in making the resolution but in succeeding in building a nation that sees gender equality as central to the rule of law and democracy building. thank you for the work that you've done and the work that you dream of doing.

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