proposal would make it more, but i think it's a terrible development. you know there's an enormous difference one puts a petition versus the brief on the merits. the petition is all about convincing the court this is worth hearing. is a split among the circuits. ..

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>> now to the press club for tram ride of the gay in turn three alliance against defamation. the supreme court case is not handed down today. she will discuss the right of lesbian gay, and in the u.s. >> what will happen to the movement after was handed down. they will discuss ramifications for our against the plaintiffs. the lesbian gay bisexual, transgender advocacy organization since january 2014.

before taking the position, she was an award-winning executive and communications strategist whom it programming the spotlight to the diversity of the lgbt community. the floor is yours. >> thank you very much. thanks for having me today. him and him down and that do not have marriage equality will have to have marriage equality from other states. that is a half when you can look at that way. the third way as we get it now altogether, which means we will

be having to do a lot of work in the future. any way in which they come in, there's still a lot of work we have left to do. at glad we just commissioned a poll of over 2000 americans and asked them how they really feel about the lgbt community. it is an understanding of what the culture is out there for the community. we asked them on a five-point scale and then we asked about everyday situations such as bringing kids is that powerful for a play date i can anything exciting. i mean out a child on your kids sports team is. when you look closer. any look at the south they go

even higher. 10 to 20 percentage points. when you look at the community, those levels increase up to 40% so 90% of americans that times are very uncomfortable with the community. from there we have a bus tour in the south. why we do that is because we want to accelerate acceptance of the lgbt community. no matter the way scotus rules we have to create a culture in which americans can live. so we traveled from escapes, 10 cities in seven days and we met with community leaders. we premiered to many documentaries and we met with church and faith leaders and had very vibrant conversations on how to help accelerate acceptance. additionally, we've been working

closely with visibility. those are two points that i'm making out of this entire study. when you look globally we have real challenges globally and acceptance is moving forward in america as discrimination being exported globally. we are working closely with advocates on the ground across the world to accelerate acceptance. i think that's about it. keith did a wonderful job of introducing me. i am sarah kate ellis and i come from the for-profit side and we do media advocacy, so it is about raising the stories of everyday americans, but also people who are well known who are supportive of the lgbt community because we know and understand you don't accept in this country that you need to know somebody because it opens

your heart and mind and changes public opinion. we work hard to change public opinion in this country. without icann take questions. >> i'll take the moderators prerogative and ask a couple questions before you open it up. first a couple controversies in the last several years. in 2011 glaad supported lgbt and eventually canceled the t-mobile merger when it was reported glaad had $50,000 in agency. in 2014 or 2013 set to pay former president bill clinton

was noted as an advocate for change. my question is have either of those controversies effected how you broadcast your message in any way? >> fortunately, none of them happen under my watch. that being said, when you deal with corporate america do you want me to start over? fortunately none happen under my watch. i am the leader they are now and i feel at this stage that bill clinton gave, he talked about coming onto his journey of acceptance for the lgbt community. i was a powerful platform for him to talk about that. moving forward, glaad is the navigator with a known in the

past as a watchdog. there's always a lot of controversy around glaad because we do call people on things when they're not going well. i have to say the media and i've had a really good relationship now. glaad was formed out of protest in front of "the new york post" almost 30 years ago this october when the post was reporting on aids and calling it the gay man's disease. we have always had an advocacy arm eyes. on the journey of self-discovery what about situations wary of recognized individuals who may have talked against gay marriage at one point but are now coming

around. they have done a 180. how do you address the so-called dichotomy or that kind of flip-flopping? >> and we talked about a recently and they're bringing their congregations along with them to the place of acceptance. we have to give room for people to discover, to understand, to educate, to meet people who are lgbt and go on this road of discovery and acceptance. it takes time and we've seen that in the lgbt community and we talk about that openly that it is a journey to acceptance. >> i would like to shift gears a little bit. a week or so ago most american

airlines and wells fargo took some had for their lgbt rainbow. american airlines has a rainbow flag. how do you approach her how do you help the corporate community and advocating for lgbt acceptance. before the ruling comes out or up until the ruling has come out how has glaad gone about trying to change the corporate mind that and get them to accept the community? >> you know the thing we know is being diverse and inclusive is very good for business. once the business case scenarios for made most of corporate america gone on board in supporting the lgbt community because they understood not only

does it affect their bottom line they retrain great talent and recruit great talent. with corporate america and they got the memo on the business case came out that it would help their business and they've been very pro-lgbt and they realize taking some of the heads committed bigger social impact is really important in the business impact is really important. >> at this point i will open the floor for questions. >> you mentioned what happens as it got work to do. did you get a ruling that is not subject for a straight down. how do you go about they are

still uncomfortable if they have a high level of discomfort with the lgbt community. that is focused on raising the stories, meeting lgbt people through the media because we find a lot of people who don't accept or not pro-lgbt don't know anybody who is lgbt. they will raise the story of these couples being hurt by not having a positive ruling we would talk about attacks that were put on them with the human side that is our job to raise awareness on what the human toll would be for not having a positive ruling.

[inaudible conversations] >> we have all three scenarios covered in terms of how we will proceed. we are not a policy organization. our plan is a media plan and how it would raise those stories and make sure that there is enough awareness if there is a negative ruling how that hurts american families today. >> you talked about how there is lingering problems for lgbt people. i am wondering what is the mechanism by which we get people to be more accepting any issues to be more exposed and how you envision getting people they are. >> i think a lot of it is by meeting lgbt people appear to do it through movies. movies are one of america's biggest cultural exports.

we are doing a lot of work with movie studios to have them be more closely because they don't get a good rating on being inclusive and high productions judeo movies. another is telling stories of everyday people we now and you have done extraordinary things are live ordinary lives in the face of adversity. this way, people get to know people who are lgbt. with caitlin jenner coming out recently, before caitlyn came out we got a percent of americans knew people who are. now we are in the market seen how did that move the needle is such a high-profile and coming out as transgender. getting people like that who can do positive portrayals is really important to moving acceptance forward.

[inaudible] >> i don't have the number yet. it is in the field right now. >> inevitably when you have court cases come down, it could be the case at the case that the top-down decision as opposed to a groundout. what do you do about that and avoid the perception that a court or smaller body is pushing an idea on a larger populace that may or may not have that. >> that's a great question. 39 states having marriage equality is over majority obviously. so that doesn't seem very top-down. it seems bottom-up when you look at the landscape and how we've been fighting for marriage equality for over a decade. it's been gradual and slow building to this moment now. it has been very much a bottom-up strategy in order --

if you look at the statistics 60% of americans are pro-marriage equality for the lgbt community. that is a supermajority at this point. it's definitely a bottom-up. >> certainly nationwide. stay to say, would you say it is a bottom-up on those not on board? >> when you go state to state each state could be its own country practically in america. we often sometimes they die. the people of america have spoken and are ready for this with over 60% saying that they are for marriage equality. i think the states are ready. we have our work cut out for us as glaad and accelerating acceptance for southern in the middle country might be a little bit slower to move in that direction. overall, we are in a good place.

[inaudible] >> but the states that have resisted doing now. what not basically legalize it because people would have to do is go out of state and then come back and they would still have the benefits of marriage. >> yes. you also have to think about in theory, correct. there are people who can't leave their state whether they are sick, whether they don't have the means do. it could get into a socioeconomic issue at that point as well and it is not fair to those people who live in the states. in theory, yes. but in practice i think it is very important way of marriage equality in this day. we will be pushing for that if we get the second ruling we

talked about. >> i know that glaad has scored the media honest portrayal of gay characters in film and medicine. in 2015 is that the trail of gay characters by the media industry a plus, minus or wash? >> it all depends which media you are talking about. on the network front networks do a very good job of media portrayal and incorporating lgbt people in the storylines into the diverse viewpoint of the community. when we get to the community one show right now, the bold and the beautiful is exported more than it is viewed in the united states. the only recurring trends role. we have to pick up the

representation. when i look at the studios i mentioned studios don't do a very good job. there are low numbers of purport trails and they are still the joke. the arabic demise, killed, all those things. i think the news media as a pretty good job. they do good interviews and there's some media institute or news segments that can even do better. overall, newsday is fairly good. >> what two or three things could the news -- film industry do to improve their record -- what two or three things could glaad to get the film industry to turn around? what other things can glaad do

to get the film industry to change its mindset? >> i would love for them to take a page from corporate america, who understands diversity and inclusion is better for business. the film industry would see it is better their business as well. one of the things we are doing right now is not only do we measure them every year so we have a baseline to have the conversation, but the other thing is compiling the past two years of representation of people in film to show how negative it is. and they will be out a few were talking about versus hitting number report every year. we are talking about places that they could incorporate more are lgbt carrots yours in their

movie. it takes longer to see the effects and they are going to look at the content providers. >> you think the reason the industry do you think the reason is possible blowback from the general public? if they are showing movies of the south. i know years ago there were movies in which african american movies and tv shows did not appear.

we put you put atransgender person the movie because if it are shown in the south is going to be shown in very few theaters. do you think that is part of the mindset? >> their multimillion dollars and want to get one you can't really fix about that much. you can add it in their formulaic in the way they've done it year-over-year and they try and work the formula. to step outside the formula is very scary because there's millions of dollars on the line. and see success will get us where we need to go. i think that they most likely

get caught up in their own cycle of formula and make money. these are expensive to shoot and edit the knowledge that. i think it is important for them to start to look at different ways to be inclusive because i think it will add to their bottom line, not detract. >> recently ireland became the first country in the world to accept gay marriage. is there anything as glaad could learn from the irish experience as well as the experience of other countries that have a better acceptance of gay marriage, the lgbt community than we do? >> what is interesting about ireland is that it was by popular vote. i don't think a minority's right should be voted on by a majority. that being said, it went very

well. when we do global work we train advocates on the ground. we work with medid. we work with media and get the questions right and answers thread around big events as possible. i think we should take a page from their book. i don't think voting is the patient take a bat is a very catholic country has beaten america to the punch here is who i am cautiously optimistic we will get a ruling from the supreme court. or just on mexico last week and we see positive affirming transfer movements globally and much resistance. i don't want to downplay that because it still criminals in many countries to be lgbt. >> on some issues like abortion

is strongly bright, yet they move to the left. you talk about faith communities. how do you take these traditionally right or left positions and get to where you want to get without saying we will move the entire left on all of your issues or entirely right. >> i don't think it is a left right issue. it is an issue of love and family and that is one thing where ireland took what we do really well, which is when we first started on the marriage equality road we talked about rights and protection and when they realize those were resonating, emotions resonate. we talk about love and family and appealing to what we all have in our nature to protect her family, love our family.

ireland took that an up-to-date notch in some campaigns were sheer brilliance where they had a grandson: his grandmother and coming out to her and her responding in the positive. it is really about love, not left right. it gets mired when it's really about family, making the country even better because when you have love when you have strong families, a country fried. -- a country thrives. >> let's say you see a case for a southern baptist preacher says he doesn't want to perform same-sex marriage. in your idea, could he or should he be sued or say this is not the way -- is there a grey area in that? how does that work? >> freedom of religion is critical to this country.

where it gets shady and gray is when it gets out of the church are out of place of worship and gets into businesses denying services for businesses. would one day of the wedding cake you do not deserve somebody could be the next a life or death. i think it is really important. right now there's over 80 anti-lgbt religious freedom bills pending. but we want to be careful about is those are denying people services every day and that is business. when you talk about churches, within the confines of your church, you have a religion. >> let's focus on the transgender community for a moment. i had a discussion with someone

yesterday because she didn't know the difference between transvestite and transgender. could you clarify that for us? i gave her what i thought my definition of both of those were. >> i'm so glad people were asking. that is what has been profound about caitlin coming out. it is so important to have these conversations. someone who is transgender is someone who by definition feels -- they feel differently if feel differently inside than their body shows. they want to align their body with how they feel in their heart and mind and that is why it transgender is. it has been a very impactful couple years in the media for the transgender community and wasting a lot of visibility for a lot of that.

i want to also warn what we have seen this year is eight murders of transgender women. while we see a lot more of his ability we also see an uptick. i've reported so many people are missed gendered or are not out. eight is what we know at this year which is more than one a month. we are really focusing on accelerating acceptance for this trans community. [inaudible] >> yeah, so there's a lot of nomenclature. transvestite is someone who dresses in women's clothes but doesn't necessarily identify as a woman full-time. [inaudible] >> you can always go to our website glaad.org and look it up. the

>> before caitlyn jenner there was renée richards who was a professional tennis player. before we gave richard there was christine and. talking about the early 1950s. i have two questions. first, how specifically can you talk about it with this case to help the community if the first option holds true. the first option which you mentioned earlier same-sex marriage. how would that help the transgender community to see a direct assistance indirect both need there.

>> any time wasting marriage equality come to a stay to a state we've seen acceptance rate of the lgbt community go higher. if the positive affirming ruling comes then acceptance will be accelerated coming in for the lgbt community. >> my second question i would like to focus on an article that was published in my companies human resources report written by genevieve douglass. the title of the article is the caitlyn jenner spotlight, helping transition in the work place. two things struck me in this article. first, genevieve quoted that there are an estimated 700000 transgender adults in the u.s.

work force. 700,000. the second thing that struck me was she quoted a consultant and advocate who said quote when you transition come you don't transition in a vacuum. everyone in your life transitions with you whether you like it or not. my question is does there need to be -- there's a critical mass need to be reached before the transgender community gets to the same level of acceptance as trained to lesbian and bisexual. you tell two friends, they told two friends, so with there is a

number of which a turning point could occur in the community begins to be accepted, do you think the numbers need to increase before that would happen? >> well, i always get a little nervous around numbers just because especially when you are self-reported in the community, when we were in the southern bus tour this last week i had a gun woman come up to me is that i didn't know what i was until two years ago. she didn't see it. she knew what she felt inside and she wasn't aware of what transgender even met. building visibility about what it is increases the people who were living in pain right now

were potentially suicide candidates understand who they are, except who they are and that they can live in this world happily. i worry about the numbers quite frankly. i think as we see people transition, as we hear their stories to learn about their lives and family we become more open and more accepting to them and it creates a happier better world for these people. i think we are on that road and let me know over in cox is a great example of that. we worked for a number of years and was on the cover of "time" magazine last year as the transgender tipping point. the interview with diane sawyer was viewed by more than 20 million households in the

united states. for the first time in millions and millions of households on that night come and they met someone who was transgender. that is a miraculous thing for acceptance. >> do you see any change in the numbers sent caitlyn jenner was on the cover of "vanity fair"? >> we don't have automatic reporting might die. we don't have automatic reporting for that but my professional gas is we will see more people who say they know someone who is transgender now and more people identifying because they will know who they are. they been struggling quietly in the recesses of the country and now they will actually have something to that name and feelings against who they are.

>> we talked about a bus tour you have done throughout the south. could you talk more about the bus tour and people you've met with any negative impressions or negative experience during the bus tour? >> it was a phenomenal bus to her. we did six cities -- 60 10 cities and we started in nashville into the first ever country music concert at affirming lgbt but tight herndon who is in out country artists. we sold out. we had over 13 artists. we had to stop taking are designed because it was going to be an all-day affair. we had over 30 press outlets. that was the first of its kind and it was accepted really well.

no protests or anything of that nature. we went onto alabama where we met with community at this and then we went to meet with trained for military families to find out how life is after the repeal "don't ask, don't tell" them how we can help to media bring the stories to live and shine a light on any issues are still having. and then we were premiered to many documentaries. one of south carolina, charleston and then columbia and georgia, a mini documentary on georgia. they are doing exactly what her job is a glaad, which is taking trials and triumphs of people who live extraordinary lives. we met with a lot of leaders in now is interesting to me because they are at a point of acceptance trying to figure out

how to bring the congregation along been the most successful people have done a year or two journey with the congregation having conversations about who are we, what do we stand for and how we are inclusive and diverse as a community. i found that really fascinating. the other thing i found fascinating in the smaller towns one of the act to visit people on the frontlines who are living their everyday lives out and proud aren't organized. a lot of organizing happened in smaller towns across the south which already you could see the lightbulb go off for community activists were they realized they were talking to each other and there's more power in numbers. it was a fascinating trip.

>> we talked about ireland earlier. let's go to the other side of the globe. do you have any statistics on the lgbt community and how they are treated are the views of the lgbt community in asia? >> one of the challenges we have globally and i touched on this little earlier is that our opponents in the state have taken their methods, their anti-trans or method and they have been exporting it. we see the criminalization across the globe of the community. and a little less than 10 countries, you could be punished for being lgbt. there's a real crisis abroad. i don't have the specifics but i can absolutely get those for you. overall what we want to be mindful of is we have a

challenge that is global now that we need to recognize. we started recognizing it as glaad. we've been working with activists on the ground globally for years but we started to get involved last year around the olympics and making sure the stories of russian lgbt people were being told when all the cameras run sochi. we are working with ireland, nigeria and quite a few other projects on the horizon. we can't keep up with the advocates on the ground globally who are asking for assistance and help to help train them to understand how to work with the media, build the relationship with the media. it is a very active space right now with a lot of needs. >> are you going to donate specific related to the 2016 olympics in brazil next year?

the >> well, we are always looking. we are always analyzing who needs our help, how we can help and when the national spotlight is on a country, we will always be there and active in talking about the issues we have globally for sure. [inaudible] >> well, i think it has been proven that it is something that should be medically covered. i think there is documentation on that. you know, when somebody is not matching up or lining and it is causing stress, it is not good for anybody. having that kind of coverage is

critical. >> do you have any specific partnerships here in the united states or are you doing a blanket of presentation regarding the lgbt community. >> imac and a mention any names, but a specific company in the united states, are you working with them in trying to get them to generate more acceptance with the lgbt employees they have within the company or are you doing -- is your presentation a general one that will effect or attach most of the companies here in the united states.

>> you know one thing we found out when we did our accelerating acceptance pull is what we definitely need to pay attention to in the future more so than we have in the past are our allies and a lot of corporate america can be our allies and within the companies have a number of allies. it is about engaging allies and bringing them along to support us and help us along. glaad as a whole is about accelerating acceptance for the lgbt community. anyway we can do that whether corporate framework for a private framework, we are always trying to do that. like we said earlier, corporations understand it is good for their bottom line, good for talent retaining and gaining new talent. it is in their best interest and

they understand that now. i find they are very clued in to the lgbt community and how powerful acceptance can be. >> are there any specific policies you would like to see corporate america adopt regarding the lgbt community. somebody mentioned health care. pensions, wages whole range of issues for corporate america could benefit their lgbt community. either in his pacific policies you would like to see put in place to help the lgbt community in the united states? >> yeah, it is really important when it comes to a transgender community to think about health

care. it's also important to think about what transition is in many services they can provide to make that easier to do it while they are still at work. one thing we didn't touch upon while on policy is policy beyond marriage equality you could still get fired and 29 days for being algae be. you could be evicted from your home and design services. we have a lot of work to do on the policy front. marriage equality is just that. it is a benchmark, not a finish line. we know you cannot legislate acceptance of that is why we are so focused on accelerating acceptance because those policies alone, whether they're in a corporate environment or at the country state level, federal or state level the best policy

and protection is acceptance because that is when you have a consensus of acceptance, you have a safer environment and a safer country whether it be a work environment warehousing environment or community. >> is there anything congress could do to benefit the lgbt community you or would you rather focus on individual programs to help the lgbt community? you mention not having a vote on the issue. do you think there is anything legislatively that can be done specifically on the federal level to help the lgbt community? >> so i was mentioning earlier there is about 80 anti-lgbt bills pending. there's another 20 that are

anti-trans. they are called bathroom bills and basically it is legislating what bathroom a trans person can or can't know when. we have to progress as a society, as a community to allow our brothers and sisters to feel safe and accepted and not be put in situations where they are scared and i'm a period the bathroom bills are creating those environments. those are big ones we are having conversations about right now in trying to build awareness around. >> focusing on the legislative branch of government let's say the supreme court decide same-sex marriage has to be recognized.

suppose the congress comes back and says okay we are going to try a bill to negate the supreme court's decision. what happens then? >> we hope that doesn't happen. if that doesn't happen, we will fight like. we have been for over 50 years fighting for this had a lot of people say this happened overnight. it didn't happen overnight. people have been fighting for for decades upon decades. so we will continue pushing forward because we know when you have an inclusive community when you have a community that supports families, do you have a better family. even if congress goes up against it we will make sure we organize around that and make sure we stop it. >> have you been talking to any presidential candidates regarding basher sent them

papers regarding the lgbt community? >> where a political, nonpartisan. shortest answer yes. >> seen there are no more questions, i would like to thank sarah kate ellis for her excellent presentation. how does like to think crystal light and the press code library. i would also like to thank the audience. with that, this proceeding is closed. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

>> as this event comes to a close, reminder the supreme court did not hand down a decision to ban the same-sex marriage case. it could come down thursday or next week is also a nominations health care law. watch this briefing again later today available on our website. good c-span.org. while the u.s. senate is in at about 3:00 p.m. eastern, actually in two hours at 5:30 they will vote on two nominations including peter massinger to have the transportation security administration.

>> jason furman said of the the council of economic advisers. he spoke for the outlook for the u.s. economy. "the wall street journal" hosted this event. part of a daylong conference available on c-span.org. >> gangster joining us this morning. interesting time in the world economy. i want to start out by asking a little bit about what's been going on in the economy. i and many people thought this to be the breakout year. we thought most of the headwinds bothered to leveraging our fiscal constraints having died down we would have an above trend here. a negative quarter in the first quarter is like the third negative quarter we've had since expansion began. how worried should we be the recovery is once again flagging and there might be something more fundamentally wrong with it? >> you ask what the economy

looked like a mid june of last year, it looked a lot like this. the first-half growth is tracking at the same number as this year. we then thought a really strong second half last year. i continue to think a lot of what was powering the economy last year was consumers. they are 70% of the economy. they are too leveraged, confident have higher real earning due to lower gas prices. so i continue to think i will be a good part of our economy that's taking longer to get going. we did start to see that in may. >> so you mention consumers. everybody who believes the drop in gasoline prices they've experienced in the last six matches deliver a sizable boost to consumption. it seems to have gone into saving, not spending. should we hope for a boost?

>> if you look at the jump up in the savings rate it is said about the 90th percentile of previous increases we've seen. quite an unusually large increase in the savings rate. we just got revised data and in those months may was stronger so the savings numbers will come down a little bit. historically when they spike up like that, they tend to come down and as they come down, that would lead to elevated consumer spending. maybe just the normal bumps and wiggles in the economy that are hard to explain from month to month, but make more sense over a longer period of time. >> are still expecting a boost from lower energy prices to show up? >> we have not seen the full benefits of the decline. >> there's been some speculation events have left a deep impression on consumer behavior. they don't respond as they used

to. too much pressure to do leverage and build up retirement savings. overall conscience given a negative shock the economy has experienced. do you think there's something to that? >> there is some name cautious. i'm not saying everyone should ban, everyone should bathe. people have to make that decision themselves. if elected the behavior and savings rate and the postrecession, what you see in the last four or five months really does look quite unusual and quite hard to explain relative to the last couple years. i don't think it is indicative of a big change as opposed to some more temporary effects. >> of course one of the things that was a big drag was subtracted from trade. his subtracted from growth and trade for the last five quarters. clearly one of the stories here, not just in the u.s. we struggle

to get momentum, but the entire world. is that likely to change this here? >> the rest of the world has weighed on the u.s. growth as you just said. i think it continues to be a concern for u.s. growth going forward. i think it is a smaller issue than the consumer were talking about because of the portion of our economy. there's a lot of answers to the rest of the world. being slow to the text of aggregate and expansionary policy in the united states as part of the story for the rest of the world. the following gas price will help in our trading partners. that is good news and one of the reasons you have seen a positive surprise in the global data in the last couple months. the positive surprise is still relative to a low benchmark. >> one of the questions we've been dating a lot recently is it seems hard to believe the expansion now as of this month six years old.

at the start of the expansion to july 2009. 72 month we are now slightly longer than the average postwar expansion. and thomas as long 2001 to to 2007. people are saying it is starting to look old and we should be thinking about when the next recession is. first of all should we be worried about the possibility of another recession coming along number two if it happened we do? >> to enter longevity point we've had 63 straight months of job growth which is the longest continuous period of job growth our country has ever seen. >> i feel obligated to see the glass as half-empty. >> there's a lot of economic research and pretty consistently finds that doesn't die of old

age. it's not that the higher the probability of going into recession is almost a constant probability of going into a recession in any given year and you can look at situations as higher or lower in that year. i don't think there's any reason to be worried about the age of the expansion. by the way, we are not fully recovered. there is still slack in the labor market. there's still ways in which we are not back to where we should eat. i am not worried about old age. i'm not worried we are fully recovered. we always have to be prepared for ups and downs of the economy and to have a more robust system that to some degree automatically responds and starts to turn down things like unemployment insurance, the way the fiscal system as a whole works is quite important for that reason. >> the view out there is monetary policy is constrained

by short-term interest rates are at a zero balance. they have done a lot in terms of unconventional policies such as expanding the balance sheet and purchasing bonds. the view is fiscal policies as to where it has been historically. don't those pose issues into responding to the next cyclical downturn? >> a decade ago most of the economics profession by fiscal policy was something archaic as a way to deal with it and the feds could handle it on their own. what we've learned in the last decade the way the profession has moved the u.k. never sustained downturn. two the fed can be constrained in terms of what it can do by the zero lower bound fiscal policy as a rule here at three com a more balanced response using multiple tools can be better for a range of macroeconomic outcomes and financial outcomes.

i think we as a profession thinks fiscal policy is more important in the fact that interest rates are so low is a real indication if you undertake a fiscal expansion, there's a good reason. the economy needs it. you are doing it in a way and you will not be punished for that. if anything, it might lower your debt to gdp ratio by raising the denominator. ..

that's been in the works for for a while. enda staff and yourself have been out trying to make the case to the congress and the wider public why this is something we ought to do. i want to talk about the economics of the. we talked about how it's not just the u.s. entire world seems to be stuck in slow growth mode. what are the prospects tpp can change backwards to tpp have the potential to provide some kind of impetus to global growth? by way of background i say that because a lot of critics have said that given how little terrace or between all the countries participating in this it's pollyannaish to think this agreement can do much to further expand trade. >> i think that there's still a lot of potential and expanded

trade to up with our productivity growth. i think our productivity growth is key to our overall economic success. first of all there are high tariffs in a number of areas agriculture for example been one of them. a number of sectors that are quite effective. a lot of the countries were dealing with have very significant nontariff barriers. that's something the united states tends not to read. we have a very open transparent level playing field. a lot of the countries we are negotiating with in tpp don't and we are trying to level the playing field. you look at a standard economic model. they show those types of standard economic effects low terrace could add about $75 billion to use the economy annually. i think that could be an understatement because expanding the size of the market expands innovation. expanded competition expands innovation. spending less and worried about

all these different barriers teach you more room to innovate. you can potentially, in addition to the economy, get some extra speed going out of this. i don't want, this isn't the whole agenda. agenda. a lot more needed in the economy. a lot of economic policies to sort this one out. he do a bunch of them and add up substantially more productivity. i think that's a key part of them. >> first this is a good opportunity to ask you all to actually way in. we have an audience respond question. i like to come go to question number two i believe actually on trade. what i would like to do is ask the participants in this room their opinion about the trans-pacific partnership, just a material will be to their business. i think you can all respond now. is this number, the number of responses we have so far or

number of seconds left? you can feel free to change the white house policy based on the results. i know you guys like to respond. take a look at this, jason. it's interesting. so the good news is the net is positive, more positive than negative. most people say neither positive nor negative. this is a very good cross-section of u.s. business. what i sort of sensor in the instant analysis is a bit of ambivalence or neutrality like they know it's an headlines but they can really get excited about what matters to them. what would your interpretation these speakers anyway is more of an expert in your business that i am so not going to question any individual judgment. but no one has seen tpp yet. what we're asking for now it is

the ability to negotiate it. we are asking for instructions to bring back the could you. we i've been going to bring about and you're going to the same 60 days that members of cars have to look at it before the president signs it. a lot more time after that introduction voucher vote in congress. so you could look you should see what's important to you there. i guess anyone who does business with japan for example can see a lot of different markets their can be closed off right now. we are trying to open them up. the other thing i was is a lot of this is about jobs in the united states. about the quality of jobs in the united states. and having a shift to more export intensive industries where you see better jobs and higher wages. >> i'm glad you brought up the jobs question because a lot of critics especially in your own partly free trade answer jobs come especially for the middle

and working class. it's a common theme here in connection with the nafta company, then a people who studied the impact of expanded trade to china. when they hear the administration said the trade is a key to more and better jobs there's a lot of skepticism. audi respond to the people as a trade does not deliver the benefits, that the average worker is actually worse off as a result? >> i would say the united states is already a very open economy. we have very low tariffs and very low nontariff barriers. so most of those types of the fact we already have. the question we're trying to do in tpp is ask how we can shape globalization. that's already a fact that's already happening. we tpp you would have higher labor standards than you would've otherwise, higher environment standards than you would have otherwise. you disproportionally reduce tariffs and nontariff barriers with our trading partners. a number of different ways it

takes what already is a chilling sent the facts and helps to shape the more in the interest of the united states man if we did nothing. >> related to that certainly indicates that china over the 13 years in which china has been part of the world trading community you can see an art in terms of this is the attitude towards.com on of excitement and anticipation to expand business opportunities in china in the first four or five years following wto exception in 2001 oh by a period of buyer's remorse where it was very difficult to overcome a lot of the engines at domestic barriers china had and discrimination that they felt from china with respect to the operations. i think the business community when they think of how they would benefit from closer ties to countries like malaysia singapore, vietnam they are probably thinking the same thing. i understand the benefits of free trade but how do i know i will be treated fairly so that

my product my service is operating on a level playing field? i think that's the big question. does tpp get us closer towards that were is a diversion? to the end up still fight and that the battle against discriminatory practices? >> tpp contained a lot of things that the agreement with china over a decade ago didn't. one of them is a does come with more investor protection so that if somebody takes an investment you make in the country, tries to expropriate it, you allowed a better recourses under it, arbitration that you don't have with a country like china, a set of rules in terms of how you compete with us document ncp they were negotiating towards in tpp that you didn't have in the trade agreement with china.

mayors a bigger set of changes that countries are going to have to make to participate in a transparent results based -- rule base level think of in the united states to get the types of privileges you get from being in something like tpp. >> you predicted temperature data probably thought they were not going to benefit or lose from visitors will find 10 years from now the world evolve in such a way that it did make such a big difference? >> yeah, i think you'll see it in a lot of different ways. it may be your own business, and maybe your suppliers. andit may be someone you are selling to but i think it will ripple throughout the economy. >> we talked about the impact on workers. one of the striking things about the economy today is gdp growth has been sluggish. a pretty good jobs market, 280,000 jobs created in the month of may we learned last week. the unemployment rate down to 5.4%. a strange thing is that is not yet generated significant income or wage growth. why is that?

>> we are seeing some pickup in nominal wage growth. as you look across a range of surveys and aggregate them together. we are seeing two and half years now real wage growth, nominal wage growth exceeding inflation. recently that's in part because of the fall in the price of gasoline as opposed to a sustained increase in wages. but the reason we haven't seen more is routed into things. one is the last couple decades where wage growth has been relatively low. in fact, the real wage growth for the last two and half years has exceeded what we saw from 2001-2007. instead of rising equality, slower productivity growth we've had for a couple decades now continues to weigh on wage growth. second, we are digging out of a really deep hole with a lot of key areas of slack in the labor market, with its people who are not participating part-time for

economic reasons and others i think have had some restraint on wage growth. >> an interesting question is ready to go from there with the labor market tightening? we have another question we'd love to hear your input into if you ejector devices. i think questionable and ask you what the prospects are for wages in the coming years. what i basically like to know is thinking about how you're going to just pay packets for your workforce in the coming year will the average wage increase be higher than it was last year lower, or roughly the same? >> i'm in suspense. >> i've been kind of struck by the lack of movement in that number in the last few years, 2% 2% to .1 where are we now? okay, kind of similar to the last one where the net looks positive but the aggregate not so much. if i could sort of like market

cap weighted those numbers i would come up with a number like 2.5%. is that disappointed surprising? >> we would like to see more wage growth. we think a stronger economy will do that. we think in the long run things like tpp that we're talking about help create more good jobs. we think wage growth is intended across the spectrum, so higher minimum wage would help workers at the bottom. a lot of companies have also come out and announced that they are raising the floor on wages that they pay. but i don't think there's a simple answer to something that has been weighing on our country for decades. >> i want to talk about the minimum wage question because a lot of the business community worries a higher minimum wage crimps their costs in ways that make it difficult for them to adjust. there's a beautiful also hurt residents until people with the

lowest skills. are they right the? >> a lot of major diseases come out and say we're raising everyone's wages to $10 over to some number of that. i think that's based on the same logic that you see in economics research, which is higher wages on the one hand a higher cost to put on the other hand, bring a set of benefits in terms of the types of workers you can attract, retain, motivate and all of that shows up in your order to the. the evidence is historical those who wrote that offset each other leading unemployment unchanged but workers better off. >> i'd love to bring you all into the conversation so if you have a question you can john over here has a microphone and can bring it to you. i will ask you one more question and hope we will get feedback from the audience. one of the common refrains other on this is almost like a two-tiered labor market where there's a lot of folks with

limited skills available but the people with the skills vaccinated, especially stem workers, are in very short supply and they just can't find. how would you diagnose all these labor markets, and if you write any systematic way there were shortages of these people, how do we fix that? >> there was a debate a few years ago was the unemployment rate elevated because it was a mismatch of demand for the set of skills or supply of that set of skills and they weren't matching up and not let you higher unemployment. i think the evidence was quite weak. you didn't see much higher wage growth in one sector to another which is what you would normally expect to see. i think in a long run sense though, having better skills is the key to higher wages and is a key to a stronger economy. and to some degree that's better skills and to some degree that

similar nimble adjunct set of skills, ones that are affordable to a wide range of things, one for your local community college to suck up to the local clerk and understands what a neat editing something based on the demand for skills rather than supplying them and hoping it will work out. i think there's a lot we can do. i think most about, most of our spent his private sector spending a lot of this has to be private sector big and out, not just working with the private sector figured out. the federal government doesn't have a lot of dollars in it. >> let's go to questions. wikified six minutes for questions from the audience. does anybody have one to start off? i have an anonymous one that was sent in. does the white house realize the use of antibusiness rhetoric and policy may have had a negative impact on hiring cap ex and other risk-taking that might have contributed to a higher growth rate? >> in other words, it's your

fault last. [laughter] spent i heard that question and i guess i completely disagree. you have a president who's other working really, really hard right now on expanding trade expand trade i think is good for businesses, good for workers and your president was the first president decades to call to the corporate tax rate, part of a reform. you have a president that from day one took a set of steps without which the economy would be abe in much worse shape than it is today, in terms of the fiscal policy that we are talking about before. i guess maybe the answer is i don't realize about. >> my personal perspective on the economy this is very fragile still. >> tell us who you are. >> sorry bill more. so just as a citizen and as a

cfo i was is still very fragile come and i'm personally worried about some of triggers i could put us into recession. what would be your view right now a couple of issues are on people have as you said, they are spending less but they feel wealthier but a lot of that is we are still in bed with house prices. house prices haven't risen as much as people had hoped. there is to people under water in their homes. another aspect of wealth is their investments. right now i'd say that some people may perceive the equities market to be pretty highly found. if there's a correction in the market in some way do you feel that could have a ripple effect on the economy? what's your viewpoint on the? >> markets are going to go up markets are going to go down. there's no question that part of what determines consumption as well. able to get really, really big hit to their wealth in 2007 and 2008.

they actually took it to wealth is about 15% of the economy because of the falling stock prices and falling house prices which is much larger than it to wealth and participated the great depression. part of what we've seen since then is a really long painful process of deleveraging by consumers and businesses. i don't think we are all the way there yet. the housing sector as you said i don't think is fully healed. the flipside of housing sector not being fully healed this housing sector still has a lot of potential in it. i think we're not building enough houses right now. credit is too tight for many households in the housing market. and as we rectify those issues that will be one of the sources of added growth we can expect over the next few years. >> how do you feel about the premise of there's a lot of excess of the overstretched valuations in the financial markets out there which pose a

latent threat to the sustainability of the expansion? >> i think that financial market values are something that assistant is much better at being attended to we are much better looking systemic risk. we are not looking at their corners the they are look at the system as a whole and so that's an issue that fsoc antibodies are certainly monitoring. >> other questions? >> frances has a question but what is your perspective on lower corporate tax rate, corporate tax reform for economic stimulation? >> i think this is tax reform is very important and i changed the word that you ask a music corporate, i said business. i think we need to be large businesses and small businesses. we need to do c. corps and pastors and address all of those in an integrated basis -- and

pastors. that leads to all sorts of issues international system is badly broken. erase almost no money and it causes substantial economic distortions which is from economic perspective the worst combination that you could have and at the same time but also a lot of ways in which the system has loopholes and distortions into. i think bringing the rates down broadening the tax base and having a system that is much more neutral towards business decision-making would benefit our long when productivity. i think we can do that while also financing investment in our infrastructure which are another key thing we need for our competitiveness. >> they sit with the board. they're going to go back to the companies and the board and ceo is going to say what did you hear from the head of the council on economic advisers

about the next five years? thinking about where our growth trajectory is headed. so what message would you like them to share with the board about your view and the administration's view on what's going to happen to growth economically into united states over the five year period? >> i think we have a lot of potential in this country. i think that you look at the developments in technology and medicine and nanomaterials, in energy in the slower cost growth in health care that we've seen lately. i think all that get such huge potential. there's a number of ways in which we don't fully capitalize on the potential. if we go back to this question again in october, that won't just be a short one hit to the economy it will cut down the research we need for our long run growth. if we don't take offense for the opportunity to make sustained investment in infrastructure because we just get two months at a time, that will indeed our

economic growth but if we don't take advantage of the markets all around the world that wasn't it our growth. we have a lot of opportunities that we really need to get moving to take advantage of spent jason furman, greg ip thank you very much. >> thank you. [applause] >> the senate returns today at 3 p.m. eastern time at around 5:30 p.m. to vote on two nominations including peter neffenger, who had -- to head the transportation security ministers. watch live senate coverage on c-span2. and the house is back on tuesday for legislative business with those letter to homeland security and medicare spending. the rest of the week they'll take up carbon pollution standards, epa and interior

department funding and depending on actions in a further consideration of trade legislation. lighthouse coverage is on c-span c-span. >> covers congress for the publication. thanks for joining us, good morning. >> guest: thank you house ofhost: representatives and we start on the senate side? a lot of talk leading up about trade and the various paths that has taken over the course of the last few weeks. what is spent on the sense of it comes to trade? >> guest: sure that we're expecting the senate will take action on the trade promotion authority legislation that was passed in the house last week. senator mcconnell final cloture on the bill meaning the senate will vote to take up the bill and have a final vote on it as soon as tuesday and the hope

is all this will be dealt with and possibly could have been built on the president desk by the end of the week. >> host: what's different about this approach than previous approaches? >> caller: sure. you know, the week prior to that, of course, there was quite a bit of drama when the house rejected the trade promotion authority legislation because of the maneuverings had been engaged in in order to get, sort of get around some considerations in the senate. what was then to combine the trade promotion authority bill with a related bill that is a program to get assistance to workers that is typically supported by democrats and not supported by republicans and that was sort of in the senate

brought together with trade promotion authority which is not supported by most democrats in order to get enough support. but in the house that backfired because democrats said they're going to oppose the trade assistance legislation in order to derail a trade promotion package. now it has gone through a different maneuver, a different strategy which is to pass trade promotion authority alone in the house with the understanding and the promise among all the various partners are whether it's president obama, senator mcconnell, or how speaker boehner that there will be opportunity for democrats and republicans alike, both houses to vote on trade assistance legislation alongside it. and right now to our open public

commitments from the republican leader in the house and the senate as well as president obama that all of this should move in parallel culminating in a, with the president signing both bills together, or at some point at the end of this process. and that has given democrats and republicans alike enough in both houses, it's believe at this point, to get those bills to the president desk house house of representatives so that is the senate side or on the house side what we looking at? when i read, the epa is one of the topics of discussion this week. >> caller: that's right. there's been a great focus in recent months among republicans on some of the rules that have been issued by the epa under president obama. and in particular those pertain

to the emissions coal-fired power plants. and there's going to be a boat this week on a bill -- a vote -- that would allow states to basically opt out, not follow the rules that are been issued by the epa and what basically state its implementation until medication -- litigation to settle. but also relatedly measures also working through the congress and the appropriations process pertains to the same rule. this is something that's gotten a huge amount of attention in states where coal is a major part of the economy particularly kentucky.

senator mcconnell's home state. senator mcconnell has been very out spoken suggesting that states don't need to follow this rule and that they can opt out about the epa has suggested is required. and this is a legislative response to that. >> host: mike debonis of "washington post" covers congress and tell us about the week ahead in congress. thank you, sir. >> caller: thank you. >> a new congressional directive is a handy guide to the 114th congress with car photos of every senator and house member, plus bio and contact information and order handles. also issued maps, a foldout map of capitol hill and delicate congressional committees, the president's cabinet federal agencies and state governments a. order your copy today. it's $13.95 plus shipping and handling for the c-span online store at c-span.org.

>> tonight on "the communicators," co-chair of the congressional privacy caucus joe barton on the recent fcc regulation rules and issues of privacy in cybersecurity. >> you've got the basic principle, whose information is at this? is it automatically in the public domain because i choose to use a mobile app? and we know the way these things work go into the cloud and all that or can i use it and still have a reasonable expectation of personal privacy? take the latter view that it is personal that changes the way you regulate and the way you legislate. if you take the position that i am by act of being a part of by participating, by using the app i am foregoing my individual

right to privacy that's a different issue all come in its entirety. >> tonight at eight eastern on "the communicators" on c-span2. >> today the u.s. senate is scheduled a confirmation vote on the nomination of vice admiral peter neffenger committed the transportation security administration. earlier he testified at his homeland security committee about the challenges facing the tsa including security gaps at airports and specifically the recent film screening tests involving explosives and weapons. admiral neffenger producers as the vice commandant of the coast guard. >> -- currently serves. >> [inaudible conversations]

>> this hearing will come to order. good morning. i would like to welcome admiral peter neffenger. appreciate your willingness to serve. the hearing is called to consider your nomination for the position as the next administer of the tsa. we held a pretty interesting and yesterday i think you coming to this position understanding patch of some significant challenges that if you come and we are looking forward to getting today. appreciate your thoughtful post on and we are looking forward to your oral testament and answers to our questions. i think i'll hold off on further comments into a get into the question faced by the hearing today will also consider the nomination of david shapira to be head of the usps. another agency that would require some out of the box thinking. another agency that has some

significant problems. i just want to thank both nominees for your willingness to serve again your willingness to appear today. i thought i would turn it over to our ranking of her. >> thanks, mr. chairman to thank you for serving all these years what, 34 years? is anybody in your family had a? okay. some brief comments if i could thank you for joining us yesterday and our staffs have enjoyed meeting with you and having a chance to take the measure of the man as us into whether tsa has been without a senate confirmed later since the highly regarded john pistole retired at the end of last year. as we learned from press reports public as well as from numerous briefings in a hearing yesterday, tsa faces some serious challenges that demand strong permanent senate confirmed leadership are thankfully the president has nominated you try for some who

we put can provide tsa with the kind of leader that we need right now. admiral, iraq will serve as a commissioned officer for the coast guard since 19 decatur assumed the position of vice commandant in may 2014. throughout his 34 year career of the coast guard, admiral neffenger has deployed exceptional leadership skills and the will to confront difficult challenges head on. admiral neffenger is no stranger to crisis having served as deputy national platoon commander for the deepwater horizon oil spill. if you can handle that you can have a lot of things. as dhs inspector john roth said his committee yesterday what tsa needs someone to want to acknowledge and confront the many challenges facing this agency. i would add the agency needs someone to strive for perfection, realizing it's hard to achieve, it may be impossible to achieve the while addressing at the same time the competing prayers of security ethics by

batted -- expediter covered want to make sure we're flying planes thursday people get what they want to save and make sure we expedite their movement through this three checkpoints not always in sync with each other. effect oftentimes in complex was not an easy job and we are grateful for the people who do this work. we want to make sure their meeting their challenges and we provide the support they need. and the leadership they need. i had the opportunity to meet with admiral neffenger recently to discuss his desire to lead tsa and its vision for the agency. came away from the incompetent he is right for the meeting at this time. will consider our second nominee today, david shapira sitting on the front row on our left you're right. but was on the board of governors consider nomination what is a very challenging time for the postal service as well but as albert einstein once said

and we talked about this yesterday, in the first applies opportunity. by the same token a lot of opportunity. postal service operates within massive logistics and that employs millions of people and even as first class to is lost other forms of syndication i think the future is more promising than someone we believe in any number of ways. advertising help us to a popular effective option for millions of commuters. not millions but thousands. millions of people still like to read, receive the magazine in the mail every week. it like printed copy, even millennials like printed copy, not just the stuff on the internet. e-commerce and package delivery or been making the postal service a vital part of the disappeared even the postal service traditional competitors will rely on it to carry items the last mile to rural communities around the country.

fedexcup ups they don't always want to go the last month in the last five miles for the last 10 months and the postal service is happy to do that because they are good going there anyway. we look forward to talking with you today about what you think needs to be done in order to address the ongoing challenges that face the postal service and by the skills and experience that you bring, you bring to the board. as a live update $10 billion company with nearly 40,000 employees mr. shapira will bring a unique business perspective to the board that is very much welcomed if confirmed by nine and four of the board nominees pending before the senate would double the size of at least the membership of the board and we need that. i see real opportunity here to make progress towards strengthening our postal service. and closing want to thank both of our nominees and hopefully admiral and hopefully build call

them governor, a great job. i love and you will too. thank you all and look forward to hearing from you, get into negative. thanks a lot. >> thank you. i welcome it is their tradition of his committee to swear witnesses in so we please rise and raise your right hand? to use with the test when you give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you got? thank you. please be seated. vice admiral peter neffenger crisis as vice commandant of the chinese coast guard. during his 34 years of service is held key leadership positions. from 2003-2006 he served as a sector commander in los angeles california, home to the largest port complex and use. from 2008-20 concert as commander in i coast guard district where he was was possible for coast guard operations throughout the five great lakes and help secure over 1500 miles of u.s.-canada border. in addition he served as deputy

national instant command during the 2010 deepwater horizon oil spill in the gulf of mexico. admiral. >> thank you mr. chairman. i submitted my written statement for the record and i've a brief opening statement. good morning chairman johnson ranking member carper and distinguished men of the committee. i am deeply first to appear before you today as the president's dummy to the transportation security administration. i modified the president's call to service in this important position in by this were a second j.j. johnson has given strong leadership to department or i would like to thank the 50,000 the 50,000 in a tiny coast guard and the 30,000 of other volunteer coast guard auxiliary with whom i've been privileged to serve for more than three decades and from whom i learned important lessons about leadership and service commission, commitment to excellence and duty to people. to dedicate an and women at the as i want you to am deeply honored to potentially join your ranks and to serve along with you and the american people into doing our transportation system. you perform an accredited important difficult mission, one

that demands constant attention to detail while sustaining a high level of professionalism and respect the have confidence in them and i will be honored to lead them. as tsa pursue solutions several critical concepts must be in place to address the full of those noted. tsa must ensure the appropriate measures of effectiveness are in place to drive a focus on the primary mission across the agency in this case securing aviation. must be called to operational evolution, one that questions assumptions, plans and processes exhibit to rapidly see on the performance standards and new capabilities. finally, delivered effective systems and earning the confidence of the public will come with competence, is the performance and professionalism to if confirmed i will bring this perspective and relentlessly pursue these objectives. to address the challenges and more broadly to accomplish the important mission entrusted tsa. in addition in my view, striking

about between the demands of sigir and the imperative of liberty is critical. if confirmed i will take on this challenge with a leadership perspective that has been the core of my approach as a coast guard leader and one that is improvement in the crucible of the real world. a well-defined statement mission complete unequivocal standards of performance, training and resourcing, and able to work with to achieve success in government has pursued a accountability. during my nearly 34 years of active service i've i've been assigned to a broad variety of operational staff and leadership positions culminating in the current duties as vice commandant and second in command of the coast guard. the nation's fifth armed service and its premier maritime law enforcement agency. each assignment has brought greater responsibilities and challenges and if confirmed i will apply the leadership skills i think as well as my extensive experience in law enforcement maritime transportation security and management of large complex agency to ensure the protection of our nation's transportation systems. nearly 14 years after 9/11 we must recognize the global

tariffs that have evolved. today it is more decentralized more diffuse and more complex. certain terrorist groups remain intent on striking the united states and the west and we know some of these groups are focused on commercial aviation. moreover we see an emerging threat from lone wolf actors. the threats are persistent and evolving and their tsa's most pressing challenge. workforce training and retention and accountability our second challenge they simply say that if confirmed i will pay close attention to the public of the tsa workforce. i will examine how to use the tsa they can establish by john pistole to further improve performance and to instill in every sense of pride in the agency in this group important mission. i will continue to focus on customer service. travelers expect efficient and effective screening. they deserved be treated with respect. a third challenge is ensuring tsa continuous fields the tools that make different address the terrorist threats but we must question ourselves default must

work you did ask him adapt faster than those who wish to harm us. we must envision what comes next indirect investments are probably. as such if confirmed, overcommit myself pushing the tsa remains a high-performance, highly capable counterterrorism organization guided by risk-based strategy. the tsa employs multilayer intelligence driven operations tsa recruits and retains a skilled and highly trained workforce by placing a premium on professional values and individual accountability. if to say this is advanced capability applications introduce acquisition strategy and the tsa continues to strengthen its integration and intelligence community with the private sector with its stakeholders and among federal state and local partners. if confirmed, i will follow this strategy engagingly the workforce and adapt and thus are probably. i believe i've a proven record of leading people and carrying out complex mission to of an extensive program and classic principles to support operations in maritime threats, principles

that transit effectively to other modes and i've have a proven record of leading through crises. finally, throughout my i remain aware of the needs of the hosts are to greater security with the protection of liberties and rights we cherish. if confirmed, safeguarding civil liberties and private interest of all american women a top priority. i look forward to partnering with this committee honor range of initiatives to enhance the safety of the traveling public and to achieve this balance the enclosing i can think president obama and secretary clinton for the confidence. mr. chairman, ranking member carper thank you for the opportunity. before today and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you abba. before they can my brother questions its tradition of this committee to ask all nominees to consider questions or i will start with those. is there anything you are aware of in the background that may present a conflict of interest with the duties of the office to which you've been nominated? >> no, sir. >> do you know of anything personal or otherwise that would and would prevent you from fold and honorably discharging the responsibility to the office of

which have been nominated? >> no, sir. >> do you agree to comply with anyany request for some superior investment for any duly constituted many of congress if you're confirmed? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. admiral then we had yesterday i thought was pretty revealing. one of the things both in preparation for the hearing and during the hearing that was pretty start is the dual goal, the dual mission on tsa. on the one hand you have the need for efficiency that we move passengers through the security checksums socheck sounds so that nobody misses the flight from the no one is inconvenienced, so the public doesn't get impatient on you than we are looking for 100% security. can you speak to the conflicting nature of those two goals and how you would be by a wicked place priority? >> thank you, senator. i'd be happy to speak to the.

that priorities always the nation from my perspective the insurance may cover in the coast guard i've never lost sight of the fact that about the safety and security of the people using the maritime transportation system in a safe and sigir of the system itself. you still need to move goods and services to those systems. the aviation system is no different. it's critical you people to the system effectively and efficiently. it is always a balancing act between keeping those right about i think if you focus on security, if you're transparent with the need for the security by definition a secure system creates inefficiencies. we know that. support environment was a good example of that. before 9/11 most of the board of the united states were wide open. there were wide open for the sake of we needed to a lot of stuff in and out of those ports whether containers or bulk cargo or the like. there's a lot of access points

because want them to get trucks and rail and other services in and out as necessary. after 9/11 when we start looking at some of the first attempts to secure the maritime port environment it was a real challenge to to get have to do that without clogging up the system. i think the way he did it is work for closely with your private sector partners. believe not they have a lot of good ideas and i think we can benefit from the ideas. is a different in the aviation sector. as you look out, there may be some need to introduce a few inefficiencies in order to address some of these recent findings of the inspector general. in the process of doing that you can do that carefully with the airports, the people who are running the major airlines the people who operate the airport environment as well as the traveling public to explain why azure looking for those factors to mitigate. in the long term not to think

about what the security system looks like in future. i know you talk about out of the box thinking. it's going to take that you think about what is the criticism look look like if we decide it for tomorrow? i think it will always be a balance between those two, but it to thank it's an impossible task. it's a very difficult task. >> were you surprised by the revelation of the inspector general's report that said there was a 95% failure rate, metal weapons and fake explosives? >> yes, sir did and it disturbs me, and if confirmed, it is the immediate priority is to address those findings to close those gaps immediately put into look system what the issues are that brought forth in the first place. >> but you acknowledge that reality? it's not my words but of the people turned what tsa is security theater which let me first say there is some

deterrent effect for those checkpoints for the theater but do you acknowledge the fact is simply not working? >> if i can take a step back from that and talk first in terms of how i do this entity system. equally as a system of security. if i think about entering into that system from the moment i put my name into the reservation system can i want to know that i'm being looked at in some way. i hope some of that is behind the scenes. i bought my name to be scrutinized and i wanted to be bounced against all the databases for our future the people doing to access to intelligence they need and the databases they need. cycling i wanted to be continued as i'm going through the system. from the time i put my name in assistant to the time i execute them what you look at. i want things happening behind the scenes the second market to might

get to the airport, and if things do happen as well and there are other ways you can scrutinize and individual. want to know as much as they can about the travelers moving through. so i'm a big fan of gnome, programs can big fan of trusted traveler program. i'm a member of global entry myself cell but i didn't for good reason. so that part of myself to the system but to purchase the in the system in what i thought assistant needed me to. following that when i get to the airport i'd like to know the number things that might happen. if i am a bad guy anaconda make my way through the system i do want to see a path through. every that i think i want to be unpredictable on the other end. i like the idea of layers in the system but want to be sure those layers are expected. as i look at what tsa is doing and they have layers that are described by the to be behavior detection officers or bomb-sniffing dogs or of the message -- methods they use up like to understand what's the

effectiveness behind that how do we ensure those are being affected and then how do they overlap with one another? eat you can devise a system that has a number of layers that overlap in such a way that you close to the maximum extent possible the gaps that exist and that you evolve a system of time because you took to keep keep in mind what the threat is, you always look at the thread plugged into the intelligence community can understand how that threat is evolving read my magazine to look at the things that are being recommended by those who would do harm to the system and then go back and question whether your layers are effected. although disturbing and of great concern, the ig site are exactly what you need to find out to determine whether your system is infected. >> another vulnerability employers for the airports and airlines that are working on the sink and their security clearances, and the ig report

showing we are not matching up everybody to all the potential watchlisted is this something you make a commitment to make sure tsa interest in the agreement so that every possible watchlist is utilized for those checks speaks yes, sir. that's an imperative. in the coast guard i've been working within the intelligence community for quite a few years now. as we know one of the findings of the 9/11 commission was a failure of intelligence committee linked itself to get and provide information to people who need it. it's imperative that tsa has information to the same databases. all the information that is potentially available so i would commit to the. >> thank you. senator carper. >> somewhere in when my questions is a statement that secretary jeh johnson says you are the smartest flight often his government. i asked him how his government, and he said to.

[laughter] but the answer you just gave to chairman's question which let you to go to the very slight and so forth, that was excellent. we look at the ig's report that 95% failure rate throughout tsa some attempts to try to pierce the system and they succeeded so-called red team, not everything that we will call them the rating from folks in the ig's office were successful. but if you go back over the last 10 years or however long this has been around, it's been about a decade, we measure a lot of metric. one of the key metrics is how many people -- common upper airplanes have been taken down? how many people die because of explosion or crashes? that's what we need to keep in mind. a minister used to say to me remember this he would say the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.

and if the main thing is to try to make sure people the g20 need to go safely and expeditiously. i want to talk about agency morale. my colleagues have heard me say more than about two number, find out what works, do more of that. what i was governor a uses it to my cabinet we are trying to a particular issue or problem faced in delaware and i would say someone else in some of the state has figured how to do it. find him or her find out who did this for but it and see if that is transferable for us from the state to delaware. when you look at agency morale, coast guard as i recall has very high morale, as measured by common metrics. as we no tsa does not. there's got to be some lessons learned. the question is just what we tried to ideas from one state to our state to see if they were transferable when they work, what can we learn from the coast

guard with expected high morale and help improve the morale of the folks who work at tsa? >> thanks for the question and you're right i think the coast guard does have a very high morale. and jimmy morale begins with a clear sense of mission and a clear sense of importance. at and a leadership that invest in a nation of people performing that mission. you have to have alignment throughout your organization. because if you say the nation is most important but then you start measuring other things, in the nation is not the most important that affects wherever a person submission. initiatives important. i think tsa has a great mission and it's a very important mission. i see no problem making this a clear statement. they need to train their workforce to accomplish that mission and jeff to come it can't be a one time thing. it's a continuous process. if you are a learning or decision comes after continuously trained organization. and the defense of what those

front-line people can tell you. some of the things, some of the best innovations in the coast guard come from the people on the front lines doing the work. i'm not the kind of coast guard. i represent the kind of coast guard but it is those men and women out on the small boats and out on the stations in those remote stations and workers that's no different from the tsa itself. for transportation street officers at the airport that's the face of tsa also the mission of tsa and their the ones who accomplish a. you need to train them and empower them to accomplish the mission and then listen to them when they're telling you where the mission whether fairly or where procedures or equipment or the like are not aligned them to meet the nation. yadkin valley that workforce and the support that workforce. you need to have their backs. i had a great opportunity to sit down with a dozen tsos over at reagan airport as part of my briefings in preparing for this

potential position. they were very frank. they understand the mission. i always remember they are still among the very few who raised their hands and said i swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all foreign enemies. iremind people of that niche connected to a mission that that begins the upward movement. you also have to have accountability across her workforce. the people performing well know the people who are not performing well. if you allow those, that inconsistency to exist in an organization, that it's not long before people feel like you to don't have the package were not serious about it. i think you can invest in the people, trained them, set and communities are standards engage with the workforce. one of the things you go up within the military is an

understanding you've got to be out talk to your workforce. they are the people do the work. my job is to support them. to have you back when they got challenges and more importantly to look for ways to empower them to do their job. >> use it in your testimony that from the coast guard you were a number of important lessons about leadership. i was going to ask you to talk about some of them, but you have already talked about it or think about that question, important lessons, the most important element for the success is leadership. number one, two and three. talk to us about why you think you've been successful as a leader. >> i've been very come as i said in my opening statement i've been -- >> picked the right. >> that with luck and i did have great parents, but i've been

really fortunate to work alongside some very dedicated people. again, it's a privilege to serve alongside people who say i want to do the best i can. i want to take on the hard juxtaposition and try to give in to ability. i don't even have to get this done but we'll figure it out together. that's challenging. and growing up in an organization helps you learn about leadership. that are good examples of leadership and bad examples of leadership, but the best leadership is a site to site leadership, which learn from the people who are working with you. what i've learned is it again sort with being trained to do the mission. and know that people around you are trying to do the mission and that if someone is not performing to the standards that to be held to account that's important because that's part of good leadership. it's a leader with a strong vision as to where you're going. what's the job and what we tried to do and how do we get it done?

somebody who understand how to organize teams, how to take the best of people strengths combined in a way that presents you the best opportunity to succeed at whatever the current task is and then evaluate how the task was conducted when it's done. and relentlessly pursues the perfection talk about in your opening comments. knowing that you might not get there but you just might find excellence in the process. so i think it's engaging with the workforce. is listen to what the workforce hashas to say and then carrying that through at every level of the organization spent my time is expected of which is said to michael and i think we just received an excellent tutorial on leadership. thank you. >> thank you senator carper. >> i will be in and out. we have a market going on and i need to be there as well as here, so we haven't figured how to do this cloning thing yet but when we do, i will be in both places. .. oversight and

she suggested results in these numerous contracts. the results are that there are difficulties pressuring performance and insuring sufficient use of taxpayer dollars. this is an important issue for me and many of us and hopefully i will introduce legislation. i have been working on legislation to promote