the battle flagg and the second national flag when it's open, when it's being staffed by members of the lee jackson camp, so in a sense it's a signal to you it's open for visitation when the flags are there. >> i'm speaking from the point of view as a teacher and a parent. we have gone through the controversy of the confederate flag and students wearing them. has it changed from a racial tone and everything to more of a tone of just being a symbol of being country or being a redneck? traveling in the north i see people in canada and new york carrying the confederate flag and it's more or less the ones with the four-wheel drive trucks and the baseball caps and everything. has the trend gone to that side now? >> it has indeed. and it's a difficult thing to

read that is, the -- many of the flags that -- the t-shirts you see more than i do suggest that the hank williams, jr. variance the elvis presley and speaks more to the the dukes of hazzard. one of the bumper sticker reductions of the issue is history, not hate, and i always caution people that at the very least, let's introduce the third age, hazards or dukes of. it is equally important in the meaning of the flag today. when you spot a flag, when you're trying to do what you shouldn't try to do which is judge motivation of the person flying it by context but frequently if you take an educated guess it is country it's attitude, it's rebellion in general, good old boys and redneck and may have something to do with one's confederate an zest are sos but perhaps not as much as defenders of the heritage of the nag would like it to be. so it's a third element that

makes it difficult to argue this issue in racial terms. many people don't understand it that way. the protectors of the heritage of the flag, who want tote be a memorial reverential symbol, many of them are troubled by a trivialized use of being a symbolic middle finger or identification of one being a country boy or a southern boy as they are by its use as a symbol of hatred and white supremacy. that's a real comic indicating factor and i suspect among the young it is probably major factor. when we were traveling in europe in 1992. right after we started research on this exhibit and wanted to get away from this stuff for a while. whereafter we went we saucon fed rat flags -- we saw confederate flags. in vienna, on this god awful

ugly t-shirts in florence, on a patch sold on the streets in germany. we couldn't go anywhere in central europe without seeing the flag and it meant what you said country american. in fact i use that as a motif in the conclusion of the book. >> thank you. >> thank you for your talk. very informative. i'm curious i've always been interest in lost cause art. things like the burial of latteny the famous last parting of lee and jackson with the horses rearing up, that once upon a time, in paintings also of of general lee and stonewall jackson, that many homes now -- let me say i grew up in petitionersburg, and it was like the yankees were still on the other side of the appomattox

river waiting to attack so petersburg it's different but many people in nice homes have these sort of somber reminders of their confederate heritage, but you know, never saw any confederate flags in these homes. i'm kind of curious where would you put the flag in the whole panoply of lost cause art? >> it shows up in prints, and a lot of -- there are lot of lost cause prints with the battle flag and a lot of prints of the various versions of the flag. it's a good time now to make sure i don't leave the impression other confederate flags were completely forgotten but certainly the battle flag of whatever size and shape became the primary flag, even in lost cause art. there will paint examination prints done of confederate flags, usually the first second third naval jack and battle flag together, and those

adorned some homes. it was what i eluded to earlier in this relatively restricted use of the flag between the 1865 and the 1930s it wasn't as present then as it is today. people did not fly them from their home as a rule. there are exceptions and have an entire chapter analyzing the exceptions before world war ii. butow quite correct. i'm not surprised to hear you've say that because it corroborates what i was finding that a lot of common uses among people who revere the flag and revere the con the feds was si today for whatever reason-availability to some degree but the values were different. as we get farther from the confederate generation and its confederate veterans we're still walking the earth in the 1920s and '30s and 40s and '50s for that matter. there was something of a taboo on the use of the flag in ways that weren't clearly reverential

and memorial of those men and simply having it flying over your home as if your a bastion of the outpost of the confederacy wasn't appropriate. i haven't quite been able to determine exactly how that was enforced but it seems to be to -- to have been very true. other questioned? thank you all very much for coming out today. [applause] >> you're watching booktv. television for serious readers. you can watch any program you see her online at booktv.org. >> here's a look at books being published this week:

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