it's not like you read this thing. there's a lot more that describes me as an individual. it gives a lot more data and able to provide that information that is really the book of the content i want. that's where i believe a lot of technology will go inhs >> >> there will be more vertical players and sellers of content and that makes it

more complicated with more opportunity as well. digital first publishers driven by agents to increase in popularity as well but in order to foster innovation there will have to move to common standards and a note to are the same. to leverage the api so based on the future. >> to my first and the obvious 70% our print within the next five years with brick and mortar retail

level be interesting but on-line commerce and expect to see social commerce with a certain retail platform inspecting a tremendous innovation to do some amazing work i see great work with personal publishing i am excited about that. with the space between content and reader. >>. [laughter] >> the book. i will talk about my industry. i am an education i don't

mean to be disparaging but i'll do the man in the mirror test if you know, you are vulnerable your prices increased faster than inflation with no other underlying cost we tripled tuition of of my class is no different than it was 14 years recharge $6,000 to take my class i teach when a to 40 kids every monday night i always walking to class recharge $65,000 that is outrageous it is of moral issue to have them take on debt. it is having a huge ripple effect some my industry is ripe for disruption. i don't know who amongst you does textbooks you are sticking your chin up just waiting to get clocked the prices you charge it is

almost ago -- our rages as what i charge to teach some textbooks and education we are due. it will be an interesting 10 years. i appreciate your time. >> a kid to the panelist. thank you do the a and the audience members let's see if we can make this exciting innovation happen for the future. thank you. [applause]

and the circus museum efforts to restore them >>host: we like to go behind-the-scenes . get our complete schedule@c-span.org. >> so one of the things we like to do at book tv is go behind the scenes and meet people

involved in the publishing industry. today we want to introduce you dam gh >> >> i have been a nonfiction book editor 27 years. i currently work with harper collins with conservative intellectuals i have the imprint and previously over six to seven years i worked and other places in the industry by work dash simon & schuster at us small academic crossover imprint so when i started out i was an academic editor to go to academic conferences and talk to political scientists and historians to sign up

their books. >>host: two or some of the officers you have worked with? >> some of the people includes james wilson he is the proudest jim wilson is one of my intellectual heroes as the criminologist his book is called the moral sense. when he died a couple of years ago one of his former students said the moral sense was his favorite book. i became known for publishing books by conservatives like a firebrand we made a first flash called a liberal

education to do with the problems with the political correctness on campus and i followed that up with the book with the conservative book called the real anita hill it was a forensic book with the evidence given during that hearings a major best seller was the bell curve. in to deny the holocaust. of book we had to twist your arm because she did not want to give holocaust denial she said it is in des good idea because that is what they want and we persuaded her and interestingly enough she

won in a british court and she won. so we're satisfied with that outcome but in the earlier part of 2000 republish liberal fascism anwr recently sarah palin in going rogue. and currently clinton cash which has been on the best-seller list for several weeks and i do publish multiple books i have published several books together with the nash to susan and reunited with many of our people as i move around stowe -- show with

longevity so your relationship with your authors is important you hope they will move with you and follow you from house to house them largely has been the case and does require patience. editors have to be patient because sometimes it could take years to get a book out of somebody. a good example is arthur brooks from the american enterprise institute. before he was made president he already published the was very interested to have a long conversation end then he was too busy bin now five researchers later i have a book coming out in july.

and i hope it will open up the new kind of discourse to counter the left brain focus of the conservative movement for their right to brain element of book is say bookend to of famous volume called "the conservative mind". and to publish the conservative party. arthur's idea is that with those that can best be

achieved so it is the brilliant subversive i am looking forward to publishing very much with ted cruz that will get attention these are some of them that i have coming out. >>host: howdy become a specialist? >> this is something i set out to do if somebody told me a maytag reconsidered or diversified a little bit. with the general interest nonfiction editor with history and politics and anthropology and religion and non-jewish subjects for

those that were the most successful faster to work can publishing but the publishing industry is not very organized. and it is like the great barrier reef so if you are a writer to find the right editor that is a wine aged existed is of matchmaking functions it is difficult to find the right person.

to be a most energetic champion and advocate and it is difficult to find that person but naturally in publishing as you get to be known as a certain kind of thing so you get submissions in that area. so the institutional pressure is specialized. for a long time at a certain .1 can feel it is confining.

with the great deal of variety. and of course, we're not limited to publishing with harper collins and many that i publish appear on the harper list. it as they are being published with the book by a conservative journalist terry jedi published a couple of months ago. with the promising development that the views are becoming more acceptable. but there was no presence with mainstream publishing.

the really a sectarian outside standing outside the mainstream. so the publisher of the free press and my mentor bed to break down barriers of expression with your consequential thing to do. after some time to have been a success to wake up and realize there was of massmarket for conservatives. so special interest began to be created aha now it is the dedicated conservative imprint now editors all over

town are en a completely different context now of apolitical publisher. >>host: do you have to agree with your author to be a good editor? >> no. it is better if you don't in some ways. is a very good question. it is somewhat difficult to answer because each is different but your intellectual editor or somebody who publishes books intended to levant's arguments you do the author a service if you challenge them even if you do agree the most important argument to be properly substantiated

and expressed in a way that is persuasive i don't consider myself to be a sectarian editor i thought of myself as somebody originally was up liberal but i am a new yorker first. i am from new york fed is the category that many social attitudes i live among my family and friends my colleagues are all liberal i don't like to defer with the people that i work with to sharply so it is a little off topic so it is related but i do that for them.

i will put it this way. somebody grab your with the upper west side liberalism the then made a journey to the right i then felt like plato's philosopher i left the caves but then what is my obligation to my friends and family? to go back in to bring news to them there is another way to look at things that that could be my function to bring the news of the outside world to american liberalism where unbeknownst to them they all generally agree with each other and

don't think of themselves that way but there are institutional habits of thought and they become impervious half the country is conservative i have found there are many more conservatives the up and down in your elevators in new york then you might think. that is my sense of mission although i would add over the course of the years doing what i do of the surrounding conditions have changed since you ask me about controversial books of course, personally and professionally i get a kick out of starting an argument

laky legal education to sit in your office in those days to actually have the end box with physical pieces of paper to pile up with reviews and columns and articles and letters to the editor from small midwestern newspapers that would respond and it was very satisfying you feel you made an impact that is what publishing is. my favorite i say that prime all acting is martin luther nailing his speech to the door and imagine that is what a publisher does imagine you are martin luther 50 would never sitting in your cold studio

apartment and you are uncomfortable and you are writing and writing then you say what do i do? the world has to know city goes down to the town square to may live for ready to see that and that is the spirit of the publishing that i like to do so used to be possible or too easy to set off a national controversy with one real platform or one megaphone and everybody would compete to get access to it with only three broadcast networks three major newspapers and it was

monoculture so what point did you would get access to that platform? over time that has changed. the culture is no longer unitary so there are many competing voices and outlets and platforms and as that has developed it is increasingly developed -- difficult almost impossible to generate controversy around the book has spent some years i found it was possible to do that but the political media has up bifurcation with a fox media of the right and others on the left and those who agree with those points of view to

listen to what is broadcast and published for them the public culture of ideas has become polarized harmful to the culture and an obstacle to see there is a positive value to stimulate controversy. >> bed isn't it with -- the same that they live by a the believe role education? >> you will not get that broader audience? >> is an interesting question but what made al liberal education successful originally in my view that when making an argument in

the early '90s there is a lot of the people to introduce a multicultural curriculum with the course is that reflected the greater diversity and the demand and the debate and if we are better off reading maya angelou. not to pick on her but that is an example and at that time on campus in the world of finlay and educative liberals of restored division not brought to light with the radical of on

guard and the traditional liberal faculty people who are raised and educated am brought up and thought it had value and wanted to preserve it so one could sense they were somewhat uncomfortable the so much with the ada to broaden the cannon to be more inclusive but the arabia said tried and true classic to civilize the influence is a good example of the common view of the conventional middle ground liberal is the radicals on the left are well-intentioned with the right idea but a little hasty and impatient moving

too fast gore throwing something away that has value so what i found to be the case when you publish a controversial book is getting the public mind that you have to study and interpret but what i concluded in this case from long consideration is that dinesh came along he expressed the point of view that many liberals privately agreed with but did not have the promise to express to wish to take upon themselves to be intimidated or

ostracized which is what happens so when he came along to make this argument argument, there was a knee-jerk reaction from the forces of the multicultural movement the conservatives came to it that many centrist liberals to notice the bird -- the book because of the controversy decided to open and read it and that is where my role is important because dinesh and i agreed that was the real audience be open minded liberals was the real audience we were writing the book to persuade them not be up the left although it is fun but it is such an easy

target i am not partisan in that respect but they're easy targets for ridicule but the vast majority of book readers were educated liberals we decided it should be written in such a way to persuade the open-minded liberal leader. that was part of the effort to bring those conservative viewpoints into in line in the opinion and that is what we were trying to accomplish still have not mastered the art to give the shore cancer. i apologize. . . book that takes on a

book in an investigative way and doesn't specifically draw any conclusions but we said here's a pattern of activity that looks

suspicious. we are saying maybe some legal authority should look into this. what's interesting is in the same way certain people believe very strongly that they want to see a reelected president and other people maybe don't like or trust and have.doubts. there were doubts when they first came to washington. it was unclear what their history was.

yet there was an offense that was not correct to break rank and criticize. the book provides evidence and is persuasive to any liberal journalists notwithstanding the fact that conservatives may not agree, but the facts are the facts. in other words there are books that come along at a certain time that make an argument that somebody would like to hear made

and wants to be heard. when it's made it divides opinion in such a way that people have to choose a side. then you find out what people really believe. >> with the peter sweitzer book they had to do some corrections in that book correct? >> every book has errors. i remember years ago do remember the book backlash which was all about how women are prevented from advancing in various settings? it was was hugely successful and hugely popular. somebody i know did a catalog of errors in that book and brought it to me and said we should

publish a book that catalogs the errors in another book. the the new york times runs corrections every day. they have a large department of checking and oversight but it's almost impossible to publish a book that doesn't require corrections much less when a book is under the pressure of time to get out quickly. so it's inevitable that errors will be there. what is distinctive distinctive and special to this case is that there is an apparatus a political apparatus that has been assigned the clinton machine basically has assigned its members to research and

study the book and fact check everything in it. this operation was run by my old friend who had it done to him when he published a book about anita hill and then one about hillary back in the '90s. he learned how to do it from the clinton machine. so this is what they do. when david's book was published, as as i recall back in 1994, there was an effort to backcheck everything by an adversarial operation and then as i recall they published a long article attacking the book and finding its errors. how many errors were there? three errors in the book. one of them was about the address of the video shot where

there was a pornographic video. this is a game. this is how the game is played. obviously we want our books to be accurate. if you bring in it air to our attention we will correct it. the general argument of the book is officiated because there is errors in the book is a miss understanding the nature of investigated journalism as a function. >> he wrote the national review, if you can control the use and the meaning of words as well shown in 1984, they cannot be used to show dissenting views or to formulate the thought that might inform such intellectual resistance. the left has always understood the importance of this. >> and your question is? >> explained that. >> while the context, the article which you quote is a

cover piece that i published last summer in the national review. it was called let your right brain run free. it was was an article announcing the emergence of a new wing of conservatives of the conservative movement. a cultural wing. the story, i'll just very quickly give you the background on this. as i said i've been a nonfiction editor throughout my career but beginning a few years ago, i began to hear from conservative authors of mine who had written novels. they called me up, wrote me and said i've written a novel. would you read it and consider publishing it? so i read a good number of these novels and i

talked to my publisher harpercollins about whether they could be published. the upshot of our discussion was, well these novels are a little too sectarian. we tried to publish for the broadest possible audience. so these books books were and i should be clear they are genre novels thrillers political thought spoilers fantasy detective novels or pulp fiction, these were classic instances of the genre with some kind of conservative theme or catch. maybe the private i've is a conservative and his commentary is conservative cast. it's not like novels about the keystone pipeline for example, which is one of the up session of the rights today, but a sense

or point of view of narrative fiction. at one point he started looking into this and i realized it wasn't just a few writers here and there but scores and hundreds of people who are libertarians who had been inspired by the advent of amazon and digital self-publishing technology to write and publish their own. yet they were were having a lot of difficulty finding their natural audience. select came to me and they should create a home on the

website as a platform or gathering place for these new conservative fiction writers and so i founded a website that i call liberty island which can be visited@libertyislandmag.com. it is a short.com. it is a short story magazine or a short fiction magazine written by conservative writers and readers. the point of my article in the national review was to make a broader point that there was a resurgence of the conservative right brain that was not just limited to fiction. it was a broader phenomenon that we find across the spectrum of creative endeavor and you find it in popular music film video, graphic arts comics,

video games. it's a broad cultural movement and in fact the point of my article is that it amounts to a counterculture. in order to set the stage for this argument i look back at the counter culture of when i grew up and i made the argument that what has begun is a counterculture in those days had become the established culture. that now with the nature of things is natural, that establishment excludes points of view, which is does not agree in a certain pressure builds up with people who feel their respect is not being reflected in the national media in popular culture. so a counter cultural energy or

spirit arises and that is what animated the new conservative right brain creator. so i wrote to paul's attention in the comment that you quoted really refers to the experience that i had as a young person. i told the story of going to a science fiction writers workshop back in 1976 and encountering, for the first time, and i was 19, and i was 19, and i encountered for the first time and ideological point of view. it was progressive. i was told by advocates of this point of view that there were certain words you couldn't use certain ideas you couldn't express, that it was wrong that

it was harmful that it was dangerous, and i realized two things. first of all that words do have consequences in language is very important. there is a struggle of the context of words, not just what words are used but what they actually mean and diversity. what does does that mean? it means one thing to me and i might mean another thing to you. we have to argue. there also is a power struggle a cultural war if you will going on within the creative arts. i found if conservatives today were unaware and detached from this aspect. i've been an editor for 25 years and published many controversial

books in the effort to break down barriers to conservative ideas and perspectives, but i found the conservative movement as a whole had completely ignored the field of culture as if it doesn't matter. well it does matter. so i am trying to and this is separate from my day job, my own enterprise, own enterprise, i am trying to participate and to get them to play a role. when i came into the conservative there was a number of institutions that had been created by visionary individuals. people like irvin kristol who was the guy who got my job in publishing.

these were people who saw that conservative scholars and academics were being forced out of academic positions or weren't able to teach or gain tenure in american universities. there was an alternative system of institution that needed to be created. at the same time they had to be foundational and endowed to support those things. magazines were created to support the views. it was brilliantly successful and i consider myself to be a product in part and a beneficiary in large part of that visionary enterprise. i now am the age or older than my mentors, the people who i consider to to be the grown-ups in my field. so they are gone but i feel if

they were here today they would be active in the field of popular culture. they would would be taking the steps necessary to raise an error awareness to create energy and focus and to lead if you will and what what i find is the more i get out of my corporate publishing box and gotten out into the world of conservative activists and enterprise, i find find there are many other people working in this area. people who are creating music labels and film companies and doing animation and graphics. but but these people don't talk to each other. i was on a panel in washington recently hosted by the national