politician was killed just a short distance from the walls of the kremlin, and there's no clarity at this point i think about why, about him, and about the long-term effects. can you give us your sense that you were close to him, about why this happened. [speaking russian] >> translator: on the level of my knowledge of the case different people who were close to the investigation, to the general. [inaudible] the people who perpetrated the crime. ..

the investigation believed tarnish our dear mike but the organizers managed to leave the country. some had immunity of the russian people. this is complicated because there is a political element.

[inaudible] both in the republic new york advisers were declared the search for the organizers. regarding the murder and the criminal perception it did not exist when there was a terrorist . the people were recruiting them not to organize him the same

situation. i do not see any other elements. [inaudible] i believe it was not a conversation on this topic. they simply decided to put an order in themselves. today there is no responsibility because they thought by killing the president they are going to be --

[inaudible] they have never been completely discovered in the region and here they made the mistake. i am absolutely confused and kind and lenient in respect of the joint work in blatant ways. he gave the order and permission there were over 80 people who

have killed him -- [inaudible] would know very well his route but maybe it was the cia or ukrainian intelligence services to date in order to technical means did not identify ukrainian or american involvement. >> could you talk about how this has you personally and the liberal establishment you are a part of. several people have had to leave the country. people now go back and forth but you are very visible. is that the protection you are wearing or just faith? [speaking russian] >> translator: my security

will -- [inaudible] security. i got a phone call from one of the so-called law enforcement agencies. do you have a password to the foreign country. i said yes i do. how about your son. he is 14 years old. i said yes he has. grab your son and fly wherever you want to go. i grabbed my son family flew to london. [inaudible] we learned about it by watching tv in london. i got a call and they said you can come back now.

they said now you can leave alone. i have six guard -- [inaudible] this happened in early january. it is viewed as protection. he preferred beautiful girls instead and i understand him and i am jealous you that no matter how much we can joke when he was killed he was the lone. i would rather live a little bit longer. >> several years on the same square by the kremlin there is a demonstration of soccer hooligans on the manoj square in reaction to a small-scale fight and decision to not press

charges against the assailant that killed another -- there was a fight between soccer hooligans and some of the guestworkers. it has changed dramatically since that event in 2010 if i'm not mistaken. nationalist and otherwise previous marginal bases have become part of the mainstream, part of the domestic political mainstream. it's not a phenomenon unit that to intensify in the run-up to the election in 2016 and 2018 or does putin and his political team need to create a more moderate than aware politics what normal politics is in contemporary russia. [speaking russian] >> translator: i like to invite the nationalists in the imperial glance because the nationalists talk about

superiority of the russian nation. they have remained marginal and the government has persecuted them. it is what i call in. great russia which includes not only russia and chechnya ends in karachi and your crane -- ukraine is given strength. but in terms of electoral, putin will benefit from that. the nationalists will be kicked out and he's going to get is 7% 5%, 10%. he is quiet loyal to putin and the electorate as well.

what happened was the soccer hooligans were members -- [inaudible] they came out and saved the north caucasian and now he's the minister of interior affairs. he also has an idea about how he is in the mass riot should be surprised with the organizers -- [inaudible] and i believe this is a smart policy. >> let's talk a moment or two about ukraine and then i very much welcome people from the audience to join us in the conversation. if you look at the situation today inside eastern ukraine

there is a small part of fighting from a significant military buildup particularly on the russian side inside ukraine of a regrouping of ukrainian military units both government and semi-government. but we have not searched into an all-out war and there is a certain level of stability. is that a new normal where we have a stable or unfinished environment in eastern ukraine or are we just cannot pause and will there be predictable triggers for an predictable triggers that push us out of this pause into a more dangerous stage. [speaking russian] >> translator: i believe it is a long-term conflict neither the series there the next year.

it reminds me a lot of where the borders were clear from both sides to shoot and kill each other and the people in the best case scenario. [inaudible] this war is going to keep going for a long time. it is stocked with good weapons. there is a part of the coast which is not controlled by ukraine border guard and i

believe our friends from columbia already used this because this is the free entry and into russia. that is a great market. the people would be shareholders who keep the conflict forever. i am very pessimistic but i'm more pessimistic if the second happens. but a minimum two hours before their flight when the corridor was used on the moscow flight that this airplane will be shut down. what kind of decision putin was supposed to make.

if i were him i would send tanks to kiev. the different plane were shut down and i believe it happened by mistake, a chance. there are many shareholders and the situation is not controlled by kim sudan but the number of the militia is an large number of coal mines. when it was taken away you have many people who are willing to continue this unpredictable situation.

>> i'm troubled or the analogy of comparing a flight with innocent civilians going to malaysia and the idea that president putin would not be aware that russia had subsided since military court ends and the pretty clear-cut case that someone made a terrible mistake using equipment to attack a civilian ally. i think we need to be careful in terms of where assigning the blame. the idea that mr. putin would start a war for such a decision on the failed policies in ukraine. it doesn't make a lot of logical sense. the question long-term is the goal to have a big mess for decades or is there to wait until a key of collapses and you will have pieces of ukraine that are more cooperative than

ukraine basically stops existing as a unitary state. what is the goal? where does this end? [speaking russian] >> translator: i believe i disagree with you regarding the airplane. the turnover in russia after the plane were shut down. before that -- they did not use any military graduate. it was a complete 180-degree u-turn. fortunately we will never know who shut it down. we are going to read the report of the commission.

it will be published in half of the world is going to agree. [inaudible] the plane were shut down by another country and put the full text -- [inaudible] [inaudible] i'm sorry, what did you say?

>> the fight to step three. [speaking russian] >> translator: ukraine still has an agreement. it is about recognizing and trying to cajole ukraine and with the russians relative -- [inaudible] the answer was ukraine did not recognize it here the question is regarding the previous plane plane -- >> there's an american debate about why they hate us. if he wants russia to the

present of official state television you get a pretty good idea. i'm curious of the representative of the media how you would've had the effects of last week's supreme court decision to recognize gay marriage across the united states. does this form the basis for a long-term cultural gap from a values gap between russia and the west? [speaking russian] >> translator: i think the decision of the supreme court and the russian establishment could not car last. but everything your enemy does does -- [inaudible] the collapse of the united states and latin america will

disappear -- [inaudible] [inaudible] look the candidate will say he's going to be the president. the military environment is when your people would be less afraid

of the enemy. >> okay. so we are going to open this up now to the people in attendance to pose questions. two or three gravels aired first of all, wait for the microphone before you start speaking. to come identify yourself common name and affiliation. three make it short and make it a question. yes sir. >> george washington university. the regular position is to provide -- the position of fierce nation is to provide

ground for the whole political spectrum from pro-kremlin to anti-kremlin's. recently we witness that some leaders that cocoon in and caps-on -- they turned against the policy of the radio station. i was wondering what measures you take to bring them back into shield the job. thank you. [speaking russian] >> translator: domain is sitting right here. we used this. actually, everybody is unhappy with us. the only media outlet --

[inaudible] they shipped everyday 24 hours a day. i suggest you do the same thing who criticize him. [inaudible] we will conduct -- [inaudible]

that they have no other forum is peak. the outlets for example and they will achieve our initial recognition of the chief editor to accept the old who promulgate the fascist ideas. [inaudible]

[inaudible] what would you do to this candidate and how would it be possible. would have the little standards little pesky standards. in politics, and being offended is not good. >> all the way in the back. >> to what degree -- >> identify yourself. >> tim nelson. to what degree do you think russians are becoming aware that russians are dying for a

pittance gambit in ukraine to see territory and are they aware in a sense they are going to take action regarding that? [speaking russian] >> translator: but the public opinion nobody knew that people died and the information infiltrated. now the situation is more transparent. [inaudible] and we will rip keep --

[inaudible] i am a journalist. i need to verify information. [inaudible] there's 800 people with the russian military. it remains who are taken prisoners. 87900 1000 were taken as prisoners.

[inaudible] -- it saved the russian politics in the cities is changing. people are getting tired. the public opinion that the first change for people to think about the price of the issue. >> let me push you a bit ominous. are you trying to minimize the significance of the russian

military president in eastern ukraine and the military president sending both the official admits traded special services or are you trying to say that this is -- that there needs to be some element of truth. if we are looking for that you're not going to get something at the end up in court. brad drake pattern of behavior in terms of equipment, command structures. it is not about having hundreds of thousands of russian regular army troops in ukraine. [speaking russian] >> translator: there is a site which fathers sons social network. it is a very efficient one.

[inaudible] the site established 17 names. [inaudible] i am a journalist. and i can imagine there should be infrastructure to support the equipment. [inaudible] they are going to say there is no soldiers.

[inaudible] and they can speak about the large presidents or insignificant presence. [inaudible] so the service provided different information. [inaudible] >> here on the left-hand side.

>> thanks so much. i'm stephen grant from the u.s. air force academy and i was wondering what you think the role of the baltic states are in this. we've seen a lot of news lately about lithuania a month later in large-scale military exercises. how is the threat perceived in russia and if so how serious is that. will there be any involvement there? [speaking russian] >> translator: maybe i misunderstood the question but with the large-scale military exercise -- [inaudible] in 2000 have been the first

place was to his own a.m. [inaudible] all the majors of russia estonia. they are threatening each other. what i am telling you is

everybody should be -- [inaudible] the large unit raids. that's a different situation. [inaudible] [inaudible] in the part of the platitude.

when you believe that states will continue the exercises. finally it doubles the budget. [inaudible] okay you guys should collect money. [inaudible]

>> the fact he's describing a nato country budget does not actually except for a handful. [speaking russian] >> translator: the large-scale exercises in lithuania. >> proper person edge. could you please comment on the increasing number of russian door adjoining i says especially from the northern caucuses and how is this perceived in russia what is russia doing and what can be done. thank you. [speaking russian] >> translator: i don't know whether to publicly announce this or not.

[inaudible] [inaudible] there and not islam's who were born who converted to radical islam and were left to fight. [inaudible]

they are all under control. [inaudible] it is mostly pr and the information noise, white noise. the fact that it is done very carefully and hansberry can turn 100% in washington. with the russian representative.

but we never discussed openly but as the breakup of the relationship. to change regarding ices still continues. it's a very high above all of exchange information. you are where the senior officials -- [inaudible] they were the level of an official -- [inaudible]

-- of your theater shape. >> lets try for three more questions. if i could just put them all together. i will start down here. >> thank you. i am from "the wall street journal." he said back in 2000 president putin called you his enemy. but listening to you now 10 years later you don't really strike me very much of the enemy. sometimes you strike me as an opponent, at times even an apologist or imperialist agenda in ukraine. my question is who are you. more importantly, what do you see your role in russian public life today. thank you. >> let's let him answer that question and i will come back to the others. [speaking russian] >> translator: i am not

concerned about in perceived as an enemy. [inaudible] this is an important issue. i do not support president putin's policy. it is not my opinion. i am just a journalist who analyzes that the government does and i am telling you -- [inaudible] but if all that journalists have horns and tails, then he would just be one of us. i've tried to understand -- [inaudible] hua mei.

the task of the journalists, the goal of the journalists i believe is a great mistake. why should they hide it here. [inaudible] i am going to find a good guy. putin is good. [inaudible] i never voted for him.

the only journalist he publicly criticizes. my opinion that foisted the next day and airplanes were shut down . [inaudible] and i absolutely do not care -- [inaudible] it is to cancel the flight, who

knew what they should ask because the situation is not that clear. [inaudible] >> thank you name is bialik anger from the united states institute of peace. wonder if you can reflect about the russian narrative and what it means to be a russian and how has that changed since the end of the cold war if it has in

various parts of russia. it might vary from one place to another. how has that idea evolved and how does that effect the internal debate and discussion and the potential susceptibility to disinformation and propaganda. >> i am afraid i can't answer this question. i am just a journalist and this is a question for -- [inaudible] who were born in the best case scenario at the end of the soviet union.

we are all russians, former ambassadors and we care -- [inaudible] of course it will help the target. on the grassroots level. and they are from different regions. >> yes please. >> steve winters, local researcher. at his big press conference several months ago, putin was asked a very pointed question. okay again? at a press conference that was asked a pointed question that he

was calling people fifth column that was great in a bad atmosphere. i thought he gave a strong answer to the question. the quoted who scanned and basically said there's a loyal opposition that the traitors are the people working in the interest of another state and against our state. it seems to me actually being a file is not quite a dad in his view. what do you about that in there. -- about that answer. [speaking russian] >> translator: [inaudible] and your perception does not depend on what i'm doing. putin was referring to something else at the press conference.

[inaudible] which was willing to play by the rules which was presented and willing to treat the rules said there is a legitimate position. [inaudible] [inaudible]

[inaudible] this is what he can do. >> bremer crush and i would like to go together. i would like to identify the questions. >> i am from the department of state. you described a bit of a circus and i want to hear more of an assassin and of what you feel has among you and your colleagues in the mid-no-space in russia in the last several years.

>> thank you give my name is david are not represented children's television station. q-quebec to ask about russia georgia relations. we unfortunately don't see major improvements in the russia georgia relations. how do you see it in the future? [inaudible] >> the question of information always wonder since we know more than 90% of the russian gets better news coverage on television, but would it take to get the public from the dead western media and the russian language and is that even the

possibility to convince them of the alternative narrative. [speaking russian] [inaudible] the technical issue, for example

[inaudible] the most important issue was to allow them to go home. [inaudible] [inaudible]

[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]

[inaudible] he collects information, he spreads information. [inaudible] takes over everything. i [inaudible] [inaudible]

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[inaudible] and the markets go down. later we found out -- [inaudible] by "the associated press." [inaudible] pushes the red dot and then sends it. that is what the journalist means today. so we are relieved of the responsibility but the major reissue. it is a continuation of responsible behavior.

[inaudible] but it is a different one. [inaudible] there is a high level of mistrust. [inaudible]

and president obama made the call because this is what happened in russia. [inaudible] [inaudible] this is not your problem. this is mostly our issue.

[inaudible] [inaudible] [applause] we wish you congratulations and safety and continue ability with the impact you've been having. thank you very much. [inaudible conversations]

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>> one of the most surprising things during this cycle over the last year a simply massive outpouring of public comment. i'm curious, we surprised at the amount of comments they came in? how were you shocked? >> i remember those a day early on when we had 100,000 or 180,000 comments been filed and you go but that's why this debate, that's why this decision was so damned important. because those 4 million people filing not all of the more pro-speak of mostly pro- >> it was about three quarters

were pro-but that still speed is still 1 million people who didn't like the idea. >> which is a nontrivial amount. but the point is that this proved the power of an open internet to free expression. and it just happened that the issue being decided and the ability to communicate using that technology happened to coincide. >> fcc chairman tom wheeler an entrepreneur alex cline who describes his computer design kit or children a part of the tech crunch disrupt conference tonight at eight eastern on c-span. >> here are a few of our featured programs for the three-day holiday weekend on the c-span networks.

>> next, the obama administration's policy priorities following several key events last week including supreme court rulings on same-sex marriage and health

care subsidy. former white house deputy chief of staff jim messina just trade representative michael fromm and were interviewed by politico's mike allen. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you very much. thank you for coming out so early to the first political breakfast of july. welcome to july, and thank you so much for being there. welcome to all of you out in live stream land and we're excited to have an amazing lineup today i'm president obama's big week. tribute to mark politico event colleagues and staffers, the people fear that this came together over the weekend.

president obama has is an amazing week and then we thought we should have a conversation about this for playbook readers. here we are. in just a second standing in the wings is ambassador michael froman, u.s. trade ambassador. after that we will have two conversations about marriage and was suspended from the beginning working for more than a decade founder and -- evan wolfson. president of freedom to marry. russell moore, president of the southern baptist convention will talk to us about what is he telling his pastors about how they should talk about this issue. for the big finish a lot of you know jim messina who was the architect of president obama's reelection. is going to talk to us about what the progressive agenda goes from here and how president obama has changed in the time that they've been working within. before we kick off i would like to thank the bank of america for their support for this series on the road breakfast lunch

cocktails, snacks. we really appreciate the bank of america supporting these conversations about the biggest issues in washington. they have been a great partner for a couple of years and we are really appreciative for them to making these conversations possible. and now without further ado i'd like to welcome ambassador michael froman, the united states trade representative. [applause] >> thank you. >> congratulations. you have always said what happened last week was going to but there was some people in the press maybe who doubted it. >> they were wrong. [laughter] >> you have known president obama longer than just about anybody, longer than michelle obama. >> i won't try to compete on those grounds the we have known each other for a long time. we were in law school together. >> you weren't just in law

school together to have been calling him mr. president longer than anybody speak was yes. he was president back then spent what quality would you say he had that you can still see? >> you see a number of the same qualities but at the time if people remember back to the late '80s there was a lot of division on law school campuses between conservatives and liberals. and president obama was elected president of law review in part because he was determined to try and ring the log reviewed together, ring people together from different parts of the law school community and have a cohesive group put out the journal. he did a good job of building consensus including everybody. i see some of the same traits debate. >> the fact he doesn't publicly smoke. >> is much more gray hair than he did back in law school. quite a bit of continuity

between who he was back then and how he has evolved as a political leader says. >> we always start with the news. the great michael grunwald popped up a story on political. he had a draft copy of the tpp intellectual property chapter, headlines leaked. what is in obama's trade deal? is the white house going to back for big pharma? a reason draft of the trans-pacific partnership free trade deal would give u.s. pharmaceutical firms unprecedented protections against competition from cheaper generic drugs, possibly transcending the patent protections in u.s. law. why are you carrying water for big pharma? >> first we don't comment on supposedly leaked a draft so i don't know what document he has. but let me address the substance of the issue which is when it comes to intellectual property rights protection and particularly those involving

pharmaceutical products our view is that on the when and it would want to incentivize the development of life-saving treatments. much of the research and department of life-saving treatments globally is done here in the united states by america's. on the other hand, we want to ensure that access to affordable medicines, particularly in developing countries and that's consistent with the direction we received from congress with regard to how to deal with this issue. we are trying to strike a balance. where 40 million americans whose jobs are dependent on intellectual property insensitive interest. we do think intellectual property is an important set of rights to enforce to protect those jobs here in the united states. at the same time it's critically important we maintain and increase access to medicine. we as a country have done this in a way where now 85% of all the prescriptions filled are filled by generic producers. we don't think there's a contradiction between promoting

innovation and provide access to affordable medicines and that's the approach we take internationally as well. >> subtitles always that i think it sounds like is a pretty accurately leaked draft? >> i don't know about that. first of all one of the negotiations nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. the intellectual property chapter i this is one of the chapters where the are among the most outstanding issues. according to the article that was a draft that was prior to our last round of negotiations in june. so it's already evolved i imagine since then and will evolve further between now and the close of the negotiation. >> unless i'm understanding, isn't it the danger of this provision that it could mean fewer generics, high drug prices the? >> no. i think what we've found around the world is that you can only have generics if you innovative medicine. you have to have a pipeline defeated generic pipeline as

well and that generic pipeline is critical to maintaining and controlling health care costs in the united states and around the world. it's something we want to encourage but we also want to encourage innovation and invention. >> if any of us in the room and a live stream land, please put a shirt questions hashtag legal as you will be talking today about the present has to work, talk about trade, marriage, talk about the agenda. joel klein have a column this week where he talked about obama's defining moment. joel klein confounded those who sought to divided politically. in a very weak his socialist joe klein's airport health care plan was to go by conservatives up in court is quietly progressive trade policies opposed vehemently by so-called progressives including sadly

hillary clinton were passed by a republican congress. how did he pull that off the? >> last week was a good week across the board, for marriage equality, for the affordable care act, which gave health care to 60 million americans who did have it before, or for the trade agenda. it's a culmination of many years of work in all those areas. we worked very closely with congress for the last couple of years, consulting, getting their input, making sure they knew what it was we were negotiating and building support for it on both sides of the aisle. ultimately we are pleased we have bipartisan majorities in both the house and the senate in favor moving forward both with trade promotion authority but also trade adjustment assistance with our preference programs that help support development around the world which helps our domestic manufacturers fight against unfair trade practices.

it was a very positive week i think across the board. one point we made that joe klein seems be making in his article is that this trade group will have the strongest labor and environmental provisions of the trade agreement and they will be fully enforceable. we for the first time trans-pacific partnership will impose discipline on state-owned enterprises. we may get the tickets are private firms to the have to do so on a level playing field on a commercial basis. it's the first agreement to bring in the digital economy comes to making sure there's a free and open internet, free for a bit of information across borders. a company does not relocate the country in order to serve countries -- customers in this country. s.o.b. 21st century traded from the reflects our interests and our values as a country. >> labor without a limb and lost lost. >> we've worked closely with labor throughout these negotiations. they serve on our advisory

committee that had a lot of input into the negotiation. not just the labor chapter but also a state-owned enterprises chapter, rules of origin, the number of the chapters and will continue working with them because we think a number of issues they raise about the impact of globalization come on american jobs and wages are legitimate concerns. in our view trade agreements are how you shape globalization come-make sure the global economy is working for american workers and working for american firms. >> when you were kind enough to have me over to your office, trade has always been bipartisancompact with the that which most people don't know is your very first white house job. >> well, you have a very good memory, mike. [laughter] that's a little dangerous. my very first white house job, i was a white house fellow in 1992, september 1992, i was a democrat hired into actually the

very end of the bush administration. and when i arrived my boss at the time roger porter, professor at harvard, long-standing economic policymaker in this town, sort of looked at me, look at my risen and said as a democrat, really don't think we can trust with his trade policy. and that started me on my route of being a trade policy person. >> and the bipartisanship came in handy because democrats really have been giving you headaches. what have you learned about this last chapter that you apply to the next chapter of the working with this particular congress? >> we have talked about the democratic members of congress. wisher enormous set of interest and common approach is whether it's on infrastructure or

minimum wage or education, job training. these are all issues will be working very closely with members of congress from both parties and very much including the democratic leadership in both housescome in both houses of congress. but i think the main lesson i learned from the past couple of years of working on this is just how productive we need to be in addressing concerns. there's a lot of myth a lot of misinformation about trade. there are legitimate concerns underneath some of those, and we need to recognize those concerns. at the same time make sure we get the facts out there about how we're addressing those concerns. that's a we'll be doing over the course of the next several months with regard to tpp. >> you haven't been successful in addressing leader pelosi's concerns. >> leader pelosi i think has been a terrific leader. of the caucus.

one thing she did with us is at her request she organized a number of in depth sessions with house democratic caucus will regard chapter by chapter of tpp, spend an hour and half to two hours answer questions. present what we are negotiating and answer questions from the democratic caucus. that was enormously useful in terms of giving an opportunity both for the critics and opponents to express their point of view to be heard, to to have input, to give us real feedback which helped us shape our negotiating position. but also for those who were and decided and want to learn more about tpp and what it is we are negotiating to get a better understanding of that as well. this process going to tpp process has been enormously useful from the perspective of making absolutely clear what congress expects from us in terms of bringing back high standard agreements and whether it's from those ultimate support

us on tpa or those who didn't. we have very important feedback from the rest of congress about what it is expected to bring the and that will help inform our negotiations as we go forward. >> of the president's have had fast-track authority and, of course, what matters is what you do with it. as you suggesting. what is your most optimistic case for which you be able to deliver? >> we are in the final stages of negotiating trans-pacific partnership. we are down to reasonable number of outstanding issues but by definition those issues tend to be the most difficult whether its market access or rules like intellectual property. the first order of business is to complete those negotiations and bring that agree to back for congressional approval. we are also negotiating the transatlantic trade investment partnership with the european union and will continue to make progress towards completing that's what. we hope to be able to do that over the course of this

administration. we've got three negotiations going on in geneva at the wto one of services, one of information technology products, one on environmental goods. we expect to make good progress on those as well. that's a fairly fulsome agenda. >> what is your most helpful timeline on tpp? >> we will complete it as soon as we possibly can. [laughter] >> and speed is the high standards we have set for ourselves. you can quote me on that. >> you are hoping that would be what? >> i think -- good follow-up question. we hope that will be in the near term. [laughter] stood before fault speak with we are working to get it done in that time frame but, of course, the negotiations have to dictate the timetable spent you would hope to go to congress this fall? >> we would hope it would go to congress by the end of the year

but there's a timetable. one thing tpa bill provides for is that we have to give 90 day notification before the president signed the agreement. we have to publish the agreement 60 days before the president signed it so it will be out there for everyone to analyze and have hearings around, raise questions about. and then there's a process within congress after it is signed for it to be considered it will be out there for months and months before it is voted on by congress. >> what is the likelihood congress will pass it in 2016? >> we are hoping congress will pass it as soon as possible. we will be working -- >> but before you leave office speak with yes, yes. survey that ms early as possible in that timeframe. speak what's the likelihood congress will pass become is what i'm asking? >> i think the likelihood is very highly that i think can be a very good agreement. it's benefited from the pack with an enormous input from

congress throughout this process. we have a good sense of our caucus is expecting. >> you are white house deputy nation's good advisor, a member of the cabinet member of -- writing up their poll about the president we could many white house observers noted the week packed with victories for obama on health care long-term fast-track authority, punctuated by the which is called latch on race relations open celebration of the gay-rights milestone marked the changing the tone for obama. what is the changing don't? >> i think it's over the last several months using important things on -- progress on any number of issues, whether it's the normalization of relations with cuba whether it's these legislative achievements, whether it's of the achievements that the supreme court or whether it's come as you

mentioned, the president's call for action on race issues in his speech on friday at the eulogy calling for healing and reflection on this important issue at this important time. i think there's very much a sense as the president said earlier, earlier this year, this is the fourth quarter of his presidency and the fourth quarter is an important quarter. is going to be doing everything he can for every day that he is in the white house to achieve the objectives of people who sent him to the white house spin you see the president behind the scenes, a lot of conversation about the president being free. do you see the? >> i think he has been working from the beginning of his administration to advance this agenda. i think you seeing a lot of that come to fruition over the last several months. i think he will be using the remaining time in office to continue to serve. >> and people, to advance middle-class economics to

address the outstanding issues and the maxima impact on the country during his remaining time in office spent how does the president's trade agenda fit into his big economic agenda speak with it is one important piece. it's not the only peace but the president starts from the premise of the 95 of the world's consumers live outside the united states that we already operate in an open economy, are taking importance from the rest of the world as we grow we bring imports in from the rest of the world. our challenge is to make sure we are open other economist our exports whether it's manufactured goods, agricultural products or services, that we are doing everything we can to open other markets and integrate standards in these other countries so that there is a more level playing field for our workers. that helps create good well-paying jobs in the united states. every billion dollars of exports supports between somewhere between five, 7000 jobs and use.

those jobs pay more up to 18% more on average than on export of their jobs in the same sector. >> you were talking earlier about all of the things you agree with and work with democrats on. what was the constructive role that was played by pro-traded democrats because they played an important role because they really rolled up their sleeves. they dug into the negotiations in great detail. they asked us very challenging questions. they had this come up over and over again to walk through when we were on outstanding issues. they gave us important feedback and they made it clear bother supporting tpa they were going to be holding our feet to the fire making sure we brought back the best possible equipment that met the high standards we set out for ourselves that reflect our interests and our values in order to attract their vote ultimately on the agreement.

i think they are very important set into lockers ethical for to work with. >> they didn't sell leader pelosi either. >> the democratic caucus is not a monolithic caucus. many different points of view. we respect all those. we take input from all of them. >> thank you for watching on the leister never tweet in question at #playbookbreakfast a couple quick questions that come in one of them speak is that the twitter machines because it is. one of them questions brings together your prep express as the deputy national good advisor. to what extent do you see trade as a domestic policy tool versus a foreign policy to? >> from our view trade agreement first and foremost must be justified must have the rationale on the economics. how they support jobs, growth,

the shrinking of middle-class in the united states and that's our number one priority. that's why there's been so much focus on making sure were opening other markets, raising labor and environmental standards around the rest of the work to create a more level thank you. at the same time trade also has broader strategic implications. a trans-pacific partnership is a key part of our rebalancing towards asia strategy to one of the most concrete manifestation of that strategy and our trading partners want us to be there. they want to be involved with us to trade and have broader relationships with us as well. this is critically important not because we're not the only part of the. the our multiple parties with different visions for the global economy. i say the same thing on the trans-atlantic trade investment partnership. that was motivated largely by the need for growth strategies come after the financial crisis.

u.s. now, of course, is going well. europe has issues of challenges before it but ttip was seen as an important part of its growth strategy to russia, ukraine commit a state of our strategic implications well including with regard to the security of europe and how they view their energy relationship and the like. >> one more twitter question. what they choose to remain in negotiations with japan. we have some market access issue we're still working with japan. and issues we've been discussing with them our agriculture and autos. we've been working to make sure we can open those markets in areas that are critical to our exports. we have made good progress over the last year, year and a half including with the visit of prime minister abadi here earlier this year -- prime

ministerprimeminister abe. >> doc has a microphone under which everything has a couple of questions for you, mr. ambassador. >> good morning mr. ambassador. nice to see you again. i just wonder if you could maybe layout a little bit about what your travels got us going to be like in the next couple of weeks and months as you seek to wrap up the tpp agreement. would you expect that you would be having meetings first with her japanese counterpart to resolve those agriculture and automotive issues, and from there would you go to a miniature meeting? there's been reports there could be a miniature meeting as soon as, towards the end of july it isn't that the time frame you see for the? >> we are now engaged in

dialogue with each of our tpp partners. some waiting until tpa was ordered to engage with us on the final set of issues and that the process we are pursuing now. some is by phone, some are coming here. some we are sending tens county. so i will be visiting over the course of the coming weeks and then when we deal it's right we'll be calling a chief negotiators made an initial meeting to try and bring us all to a close. but we'll be having conversations over the coming days to make sure we on track towards closing this. >> it's been a conventional wisdom that the linchpin is getting a market access deal between united states and japan. do you think that once that falls into place the other pieces fall together rather quickly speak with i think we made good progress with japan over the last year and have. i don't really see that as an obstacle to other progress at the moment i think all the of the countries recognizing that

we may not be finished with japan with a quite good progress. there are other issues i think that we're working on come for example, canada market access in the agriculture area remains a very important outstanding issue and then there are rules issues, whether it's intellectual property rights or investment related issues, since they don't enterprise issues we're working on as well. spent in terms of japan there was a lot of interest in the agriculture committee over the terms of the final agreement. either going to be cared except for japan or some products not going to see complete tariff elimination? like arise for example, to cultural sensitive issue for them. >> what i think about achievement of tpp which is different than some of our previous, there will be no audit area exceptions to all areas will be covered.

whether it's with japan or whether other trading partners has been to go through all of our priority areas of export interest, go to the areas of sensitivity and find the best way to achieve commercially meaningful market access. the preferred way is tariff elimination's but there other ways to achieve it as well whether the reduction or expansion quotas improving the quality and quantity of access. those are tools we're using to ensure our exporters have a martial meaningful market access to foreign markets. >> will all show you get commercially meaningful access to the u.s. sugar market? above and beyond what it has now? >> again we are talking to all the parties. we will be sugar is an area of great sensitivity to our market and whatever we do will not undermine the sugar program spent if i could ask maybe one more question. referring to the ttip negotiations to the next round is coming up next week i

believe. those negotiations seem to be moving rather slowly. i just wondered if what do you think the impact of the current situation in greece is having on those negotiations come if any? and the idea that the united kingdom may opt out of european union. is that having a negative impact on these negotiations? >> our focus is working with the commission moving ahead on as any issues of the negotiation. we've made good progress over the course of last year and a half. every time we meet we continue to make progress with the new commission that came in in november. we had a bit of a fresh start and will working closely with commissioner malmstrom to make sure we've got a work program that can continue to deliver progress in these negotiations and that's what we will do next week as well. >> but you are not concerned the

european union is to send greg even as you're trying to negotiate an agreement with them? [laughter] >> we are very focused as an administration, on the fact that europe unified growing come is very important to us. but from a trade perspective we are working through our issues and will still be up to continue to make progress. >> thank you sir. >> ambassador froman, i wonder if you underestimated the strength of democratic opposition? >> well, trade issues have always been very tough. we've had robust trade politics here really since nafta. so more than 20 years without a robust debate around trade. trade agreements trade bills have always pass congress largely with republican support and a critical mass of democrats. last week's votes were no different in that regard.

i think certainly given a lot to give him over the last few years, the financial crisis, impact of globalization over the last 20 years it certainly has sensitized people a great deal to the concerns that have been raised but it's also underscored that would live in a global economy. we can't afford not to show leadership. we can't afford not to be engaged and let somebody else define the rules of the road in a way that might lead to a race to the bottom. we can't afford not just trade agreement toshiba globalization. we can sit back and note the impact globalization at all across, or we can be proactive and raising standards around the world and strengthening labor standards, strengthening environmental protection, putting a disciplined on state-owned enterprises that are now competing with our private firms. the presidents of view is that's thethe better way of dealing with globalization, not simply to express concern about it but

also be proactive about trying to address its impact. >> we are about to get the hook so as we say goodbye your wife nancy, is executive director of kids be kids which promote pediatric cancer research. your son jacob had a brain tumor when used in. what's most important thing to do and what we be doing for them after you off the government payroll? >> well, thank you for remembering that. i think the most important thing we do is bring attention to the fact that there's been very little development of new drugs or treating pediatric cancer over the last 30 years while there's been a lot of movement in other areas of cancer. what nancy has been trying to do is to make sure we create incentives for those new life-saving treatments and better treatments that have fewer side effects to be shared with kids as well. >> what do you imagine doing after you were out of office?

>> taking a nap back spent you have children, then answer. tell us about his band. >> you have a remarkable memory. [laughter] he is in a great band with three of his friends. he is the lead guitarist and helps contribute to the writing of original songs. these are bunch of 13 year old writing about unrequited love in our brake. [laughter] you know he really enjoys it and to give great credit to the boys. they been playing now for five years together ever since third grade and have remained dedicated to this. in third grade their songs were not about love. that's been a more recent development. he really enjoys it and have a good time together that you told me you were once a drummer. >> yes, once a drummer. my family has musical talent. i don't. so that's what i got to play the drums.

[laughter] >> a question we'll ask each of our guests today. where are you going to watch fireworks speak with i think i would probably be down on the mall. >> good luck. they do so much for coming in. we appreciate the conversation. [applause] thank you very much and i would like to welcome up evan wolfson. thank you for coming in. appreciate it very much. thank you. came down from me just for this. evan wolfson was one of the original. isn't working on gay marriage going back 12 years ago when he founded freedom to marry. is now president of it. and on monday night you went to a wedding and it was a gay wedding. >> that's correct. whose idea was about? >> the comment, what were people saying about the court decision speak with people were choice. all the guests individually came up and congratulate me, thanked me, close friends of my husband

and mine and it was a beautiful wedding. they had been together for 25 years. they want to have the wedding on the actual 25th anniversary. the night they met. it was just beautiful. people were celebrating and having everybody has a story about a friend, neighbor. it's been part of this ocean of love and joy that i've been a washington that the country has been awash in ever since the supreme court ruled. >> the president tweet was a twittered around the world. what was most poignant or creative tweet use all the data supreme court decision québec? >> one of my favorites was the tweet somebody put out saying essentially that you're done with your staff could i hide them away and put fedora on our cosmos i tweeted that we're not winding down yet but you'd be smart to snatch up mike incomparable freedom to marry team when we do close down. >> when will you close to? >> over the next several months. we are going to start passionate

smart strategic want to i want to be clear to the work of his campaign freedom to marry is done. we've achieved that goal we set out to achieve. the work of our movement is far from over and there's so much work ahead and i'm sure you saw literally on the day we won this 32 your piece of work for me and even more for the movement, i ran an op-ed in the new good times talking about how we build on this immense victory for the work ahead because we are far from done -- "new york times" spent your op-ed which was annexed by the gay-rights you talk about federal protection from discrimination in the workplace to give it people can still be fired, evicted, refused service or even humiliate at stores or restaurants because of sexual orientation or gender identity get what's the biggest risk is to remains for a gay person in america? >> gave people and transgendered people are still fired still denied service. and, in fact, we are seeing

predictable and familiar cyclical civil rights efforts to undermine civil rights advance in the form of these so-called religious freedom laws aimed at carving out licenses to discriminate on the part of businesses and employers and others. this is something we've seen in ever pashtun every civil rights chapter and events in the united states and gave people and transgendered people experienced discrimination in these places that are the public places. employment, housing and someone. what's striking is that unlike with marriage when we began this campaign, the american people strongly support nondiscrimination protections for our country knows that these are part of protecting people's ability to contribute to the democracy. but what the polls also show is the majority of americans don't realize we don't already have these protections. we need is robust conversation to help people understand that we need that federal civil rights law we need state and local measures, not just to get

people protection but also to the business nobody what the rules and guidelines aren't so they can function well and keep moving forward. >> those of you watching on life streamline, please tweet us if you have a question for evan wolfson, founder and president of freedom to marry, #playbookbreakfast. we will pick up by the. how much concerned enough about the implementation and interpretation of the supreme court decision? >> very little. i think the vast majority of public -- >> there's been a few holdouts. >> although the backing of the book, it's a big country. a little foot dragging but only just a few days later most of that is really waning as we would expect because people follow the law. the majority of the american people support the freedom to marry. they know gays in the can use all the marriage licenses. they're still going to be plenty left for everybody and it's going to get a good thing and the important thing here is that we have won the freedom to marry doubt in the law throughout the

land but the marriage conversation which has helped move hearts and minds and help people understand who their gay neighbors in common members and coworkers are asked not only really just arrived in earnest in many parts of the country when we still need to get people the chance to rise to 30. the marriage conversation will continue to be an engine of transformation that will help lift many other parts of the country as well spit how did you decide to wind down the freedom to marry rather than rolling it up into the next byte? >> i'm a big believer in the idea that you first have to clarity of goal in order to achieve an important change. you want to put that go out clearly and in a way that is inspired so people can rally to into that big work that's necessary in a big country like this. clarity of goal in turn should dictate strategy. you shape your strategy based on what your goal is. then the strategy in turn how

you're going to get there, dictates the structure. how do you build a team how to set up resources, how do you shape the organization? i don't think it's the best form of activism can now sort of look around and think what else can we do? i think it makes more sense for a critical mass of colleagues and leaders and movement people to come together and say we want this goal now let's figure out what we need to get there. that's what is happening. >> what do youwhat you personally going to do a? >> i have no idea. i worked hard action in the i was constantly asked the question, do not think about it. i've been working on this for 32 years, and i really kind of need to figure out who am i went on not mr. marriage anymore. unit of what should my next chapter become what am i excited by? how can i make a contribution? hopefully some job offers will come in but i did want to get caught up in that until we have finished the job and now i need to get through this why dan

beard and hopefully hear from friends and colleagues and employers. >> he has argued before the supreme court. you were married in october of 2011. i guess 20 years into that fight. what was the moment or what was it that made that marriage possible a? >> well, winning the freedom to marry in your a few months early which was a huge victory for us in our journey because we want the new york very powerful microphone state but also one not only with the support of democrats but with the support of republicans in the legislature. it dignified that the political center of gravity has shifted and the freedom to marry cause was on the move as we've seen it to be. it was a gratifying political as well as personal victory and then to be able to celebrate the wedding to the man who has put up with me for 10 years in front of my family and friends and the

community in a beautiful wedding a few months later still resonates for me. i still feel the glow from that day. >> the onion popped up an article that said said chief justice roberts and the three other dissenters realized today they would someday be portrayed as the villains in oscar-winning film about the fight for marriage equality. was ever a possibility that justice roberts would be in the majority? >> of course there's always the possibility and people were constantly telling me to thoughts about what was to happen before the ruling spin did you think it was a chance to speak with i actually wrote a very beautiful haiku which got published, read on the lines of who knows, no one knows what who knows, no one knows coming soon. that was my attitude. we are going to see. sure enough we have now seen an unfortunate chief justice roberts got it wrong. i think his opinion is way wrong. i was not surprised. what i was telling people before is i would not be so but if

you're against us and with us and that wasn't the truth. >> what do you think this sort of the roberts court will be? >> i think that remains to be seen. this is a court that is done as you've covered huge things and the last supper years, some of which they got right, particularly on friday, and some of which they have gotten massively wrong. chief justice roberts is young and several of his colleagues are still young and to be a lot coming out of it and and to be some real change. whoever gets elected president next will help us write that sort of what does the robert scoble click. i think there's a lot of change in the court. >> someone said the next president could have for my? >> sure that some of these judges are giving up that had been there a long time and it's very good aboard who is president for many reasons but one of the reason is because the president does choose the judges and justices of the supreme court and also see the power

that the supreme court has, rightly so, in our system. it's important they get it right right. >> you have mentioned we were talking about the fact that now lots of other social justice campaigns want your secret sauce. they want to know how to win a campaign like this in an era of divided government climate. gun crime, when to call the they all want to know how you did it. what can be learned from what you achieved that can apply to those movements? >> the freedom to marry campaign for many many, now is being held up as a model of success but for many measures it was more of a model. we were trying to figure out to get it right. we have the losses and stumbles and we did everything right. we have worked hard to capture the lessons we think we can offer on our website. in a section called lessons. i encourage people to go there and i've been cheering them with other colleagues. some of the lessons are declared

of the goal, the clarity of the judge, the clarity of the goals come to it in which you work to fulfill your strategy. in our case we knew we needed to build a critical mass of support come to create the climate for the litigation to succeed the litigation was central to the strategy but we knew it wasn't enough. clarity action steps. wannabe asking people to do. i think we got it right and get it good job in making it a truly bipartisan, nonpartisan campaign. we welcome a new voices, surprising voices, business as well as labor, republicans and democrats. we worked hard to put an emphasis on the personal to help the american people push past to discover, their stereotypes, or uncertainties by engaging them with true and real stories of real people, getting to know who gave people are and why marriage matters to us. prior to friday in a supreme court ruling we won -- were one

of the weather system court rulings, my favorite was when the one whereby the freedom of merit to utah and utah because it gets it is not the constitution that has changed. it's our knowledge of what it means to be a lesbian and gay. that passage captured the strategy pattern movement follow. which was to the people understand not the legal arguments. those were good enough for 26 or law student to write them back in 1983 but do understand that the command of the constitution applies to gave people. >> everyone knows someone? >> that's a big it turns out is not only knowing someone that is the engine of change. this conversation with someone that is the engine of change. we worked hard over years to support those conversations that have indeed of people to rise difference. >> your number two has a book

out, and on the lessons learned it is up on your website is number three was focus on values and emotions. this was a course correction for you all earlier. one of your strategies with more to focus on the long list of benefits. >> prior to 2009 we built a fragile majority. when i was doing the first case on the freedom to marry trial back in the 1990s we were at 27% of the american people. by 2009 we were at roughly 80%. so the next of arguments and explanations in stories we were giving people had moved people but what we are seeing also is about the next group of people who were not quite getting it didn't understand what they want to be there but they didn't understand why do turn 11 want to get married? what we realized was our emphasis on the very true and real benefit and protections and legal abstractions of justice

and the constitution were blocking them from connecting emotionally with the price of love and commitment and family. we shifted the emphasis to another equally true part of the case of the freedom to marry and that's how we can win from roughly fragile 50% do not 63% because we picked up the next group of americans who connected with the heart spent your book why marriage matters, reminds us, cause one of those 100 most powerful influence of people in the world. what took president obama's along to be for gay marriage? >> the president was on a church is like a majority of the american -- >> come on. >> i think that's true. to present of course answers to many people. spin now you are -- >> he's a more powerful and influential. want to give him credit for is the before he came out in support of freedom to marry his

administration took very important and courageous steps such as renouncing the defense of the indefensible defense of marriage act and calling for heightened scrutiny a sexual orientation discrimination. they also cannot has worked the freedom to marry not after his reelection but before his reelection. he didn't run away. he ran on the freedom to marry and got elected. the other thing i think which was important and obvious signal legacy was the way he explained his support for the freedom to marry to the american people was a very powerful moment that gave people a real permission to think and you. he didn't talk as solar, didn't talk as the commander-in-chief. he talk as a dad and for somebody who have values and was trying to show the sagas with this doctor that resonated with the american people and we saw ship at the president came out in support and he's been a staunch champion ever sent. >> until that election and all of american history there have been one person on a national ticket within openly for gay

marriage. it wasn't? >> dick cheney spit fire whispers obama not for it in 2008? >> i would say the reason he probably was not for it then edit think he has kind of said this since then was he thought maybe it wasn't the politically safe thing to do the that is an important lesson to social change advocates like me. our job is not to politicians do what they want. our job is to open to what we want. and help them do the right thing. the way we help them is not i going where they are but by going here so that they can rise. it's our job to create the space and to pave the path with and help them get there. from day one of the administration freedom to marry and many of my colleagues engaged with the administration and encourage them and worked with them and help them. argument was always help us help you help us. and sure enough that's what happened. he president really has been an important engine of this

progress. >> acacia argued before the spring for concern the boy scouts and the boy scouts and their then ban on gay members and leaders. secretary gates, now president of the boy scouts have said they need to face reality. he is called for an end to the ban on gay scout leader. how do you feel about whether boy scouts are at this moment speak with he is calling for the end to the ban country. that's the right inspect the steps they've taken in the right direction was to announce the discrimination they defended against gay young people in the scouts. their policy as of the date is we welcome decades we welcome the participation. and don't discount turns 18 and then he is horrible and has to return a. secretary gates, now president of the boy scouts, has said that is untenable. the right answer is the partial discrimination or some discrimination but the right answer is no discrimination just like the 4-h club and a campfire boys and girls and the girl

scouts. i hope the boy scouts would get with where the members are and where the parents are and what young people are and realize when you said you were there to provide import and could support to all kids, you cheated -- you should be provided to all kids. >> what institution in america is most gay hostile? >> i think generally speaking that are parts of the religious community, religious infrastructure in this country that remain hostile and continued to send messages of exclusion and unwelcome and demonization and dehumanization. serve not all religions but there are many religious voices on the other side. the majority of the american people who continue to identify as religious have moved and figured out a way to tune out some of what they're hearing from some other hierarchy and go to their true values deep

values like the golden rule of treating others as you would want to be treated as one. i think that gives me hope. what we are seeing from a lot of hostile by legislators is they realize they are losing their own flock. they are losing their own people because the people understand the true religious values are in favor of love and loving your neighbor as yourself and treating people with respect and shedding stereotypes and prejudices about gave people and commit understood as has a rounded human beings, many of who are religious, as we are. speak we think our live stream audiences for their true questions at #playbookbreakfast. question, what do you make of the gop backlash saying this he will create an up front -- create an account religious liberty? >> i stand with martin luther king in saying i hate the word backlash. backlash dr. king said and agreed falsely conveys the idea that somehow those of us who

favor justice did something wrong or went too far now there's a reaction. what i used to sit when i was campaigning for the freedom to marry across the country is that backlash began before we even lashed. the discrimination and oppression and isolation are there and we're working to change that. weather is is a struggle between two competing visions of what kind of country we should have. happily our vision is prevailing because the majority of american people have embraced it. i think what we saw over the last few days with a few isolated examples of posturing and maybe a also acting out and so whether i think most of those even those who were saying the most horrible things really kind of hope this goes away because they know they're out of step not only with american people but in the case of the republican candidates. they are out of step with the majority republicans under age of 50 are spent as we say goodbye, you are an authority but you are an authority on the

supreme court, an authority on marriage, third and social justice. authority on travel, authority on broadway shows and an authority on diners to what is the best diner in america that is not in new york city? >> what are the things and that that is remembering restaurants. that's what i always go to diners. spirit what is what can you say you like? >> odds of good stuff spent what do you love about? >> they know my name spirit what you look for in a diner? >> healthy greek salads and delicious chocolate egg cream spent what's one more diner that you recommend? >> the one near my office which is the other default diner is on 23rd street, the malibu diner. >> maybe you'll be in a diner business? >> i'm looking at all my options right now are. ..

>> you go first. you won the case. >> thank you for saying that. i will say the question to you that i said backstage which is now that we have won the case and the country has signaled a signal that it's time to end the exclusion would you be willing to join wi