we have is a home that is essentially a five-part federal style with details and. >> see all of our programs from lexington saturday evening at 630 eastern and 630 eastern and sunday afternoon at 2:00 o'clock on american history tv. >> community activist and journalist participated in the form examining the challenges of poverty gang violence, and drug addiction and low-income communities. here from congressman paul ryan and nfl hall of famer deion sanders. as a different neighborhood enterprise him of his

platform opportunity lives coast of this event. >> we want to thank everybody for coming. i am bob woodson founder and president of the center for neighbor enterprise and -- organization i found a 34 years ago on the premise that people who are experiencing poverty i did this on how to solve already. for the past 34 years we have been like a geiger counter will. we go in looking for strengths. with traditional approaches but i want to no how many people raising children and

with this demographic profile ago for foundations of government. the government funds the organizations. perish you organizations. parachute programs and low income neighborhoods with the expectation of poverty we will be really feared it. $0.70 of every dollar goes not to the poor but those who serve poor people last night with problems are solvable which was a fundable. as a consequence we have created a commodity out of serving poor people and we wonder why we failed. so i think -- and also, the experts as solving poverty are the professional social scientists. i have been in washington dc for over 40 years. whenever a conference like this is convened, what you will see our academics, people who study the problem and then provide scientific evidence about remedies. when these are applied we end up with a failed remedy. what we have done at the

center is that we have brought the practitioners, the poverty warriors, people that share the same cultural and geographic zip code as those experiencing the problem. i feel like we have had the last 50 years 20 trillion spoke to husband on the poor been like asx that has lost every game every year command we neverñi think about changing the coach, the players, or playbook ó.jf and so also i feel like i am a fan and watches my team with all the best players on the bench trial when.) and so this conference is intended to change thatko the dialogue, but in order to do so i think it is important to understand why we have failed toó[ address poverty and the proper way because

you cannot generalize about poor people. i believe they're are four categories of poor people, those who are just broke have no money. a significanta significant breadwinner has died factories moved away for the company went bankrupt they are out of work and they conclude i'm going to lose what benefits.

we operate within the zip code of those experiencing. they are like what i call community antibodies, the most effective way of treating the human body is strengthening the immune system. you don't start with the transplant. we believe that these poverty warriors represent a knew source of knowledge, new resource that if properly resourced can begin to bring about dramatic declines in poverty if we could recognize them. the qualities that make them effective also render them

visible. they are not a part of the victims the. they are protesting. they are busy doing the work they are not looking for you you have to go and find them we are delighted to welcome you to here our panelists. new line the panel of thought leaders in the audience and begin to respond to a practitioners of said. have asked them to share not just what they do but why they do it the magic sauce what is it that silence people to responsibility when prisons cannot change the psychiatrist cannot change them but somehow you inspired them to want

redemption in there lives and then you provided them with the means of achieving redemption, and weredemption command we want you to share with us what it is that you do that promotes that kind of transformation and people the results of the restoration of the entire community and i will ask my co- moderator if you would offer opening remarks. we want to dialogue. >> now i no why i am here to be go moderator. i have been waiting to find out. thank you. think the board of the staff they are similar to people i read abouti read about who were assigned the task of making brick with astro. that group of the country.

bob and his staff have persisted in his arduous task that is almost impossible, and i want to commend you for what you do. let me just described the assumptions that we are hear to counter that the presence of these panelists and those of the audience have consensus around. assumption number one is that problems can be solved if enough money is spent. that is assumption number one. the problem is poverty they're is in the culture now a consensus that the more money government spends more commitment government has to solving the problems of poverty. these men -- and women were invited but they are not here yet. these men are hear to

describe the work that they do that really offers alternative you that the changes that happen in people's lives that given the capacity to overcome poverty and other personal challenges is not dependent upon the husband of government programs. that is the one. assumption number two that has seemingly gripped every part of our culture is that race is the undeniable predictor of all outcomes, particularly when it comes to black people african-americans, whatever term you use. and until the race issue is resolved the neither poverty nor education nor any of the social pathology that we are concerned about can be

successfully addressed and that racism has a systemic evil is such a strong undercurrent that until racism is eradicated then we can reasonably predict that a disproportionate amount of black people we will be stuck in poverty and asian outcomes.outcomes. these men will counter that assumption. the 3rd assumption that we have is the government ultimately is the preferred provider of services to the government can do it more effectively, do it more efficiently and what is going to happen today is are going to describe strategies that tangible outcomes that were not in fact performed by government of these we

will presume the government could have done what they did and the reason our presence is important is because less forces that these are historical dead ends. the war on poverty as well as to responsibility. high rates of poverty and even deeper was created by the presence of poverty. we continue doing the same

thing the same way we will surely give the same result. i hope the day that those of you who are here and those who we will two and later we will be able to glean from this expert strategy. >> i would like to just start by introducing someone. the full-time employee of the tests persons paid to begin mediation. i was impressed able freely

and i knew this was a special person and so we summoned him out how to start vision regeneration in south dallas. what have you been able to do in terms of reaching gang members targeting people that everyone else is useless to try. >> first, thank you for allowing us to come and i appreciate the opportunity chair.

asked me how ii do it. you have to be young and intelligent. he go to prison and do some stuff those doing. when administered. he was kicked out. the state banned them from being released. the fountain. he was motivated by the teachings. taught them. the brother called me and said i found this brotherhood talks just

like you, ask just like you. he is old. passive really cuemack. and so me being very -- a had a lot of vitriol and was serious about this. i called bob thoren said if you are that committed come to the present. i was in my heyday and challenging and become the president due to do in prison. he said i'll be a month and brothers salting the prison and to the book signing and able to weigh. then he said those words. if you can do this in the prison at mepresent that may help you do in the community. we have done is asked that -- in my opinion the most effective tool in deterring violence and gains our soldiers who are committed and now afraid. but they are usually the most

underutilized because people are afraid to talk to the soldiers. if you don't no how to reach you become under siege by what you see. you can misdiagnose. but they are the most useful tools that you can never have a person committed and not afraid. not afraid of the environment. they control the environment and they are committed. poverty and pain does not mean a person is not motivated. they may be miscalculated, but it but it don't mean they are the verdict. most peoplemost people assume those in poverty think that is apparent condition. in there mind they are coming out some way. it just depends on if you are able to help them reach their goal of resuscitation reliable. ..

>> >> just from the anecdotal diagnosis what you are doing is now working. [laughter] do you want me to help you? okay. we can start from there. so this dialogue did not come from them to be victims

but it was the condition is not permit can i help you change? so that led to a position to be a hero rather than a villain so when you transform someone it is easy for them to translate that to others so looking at themselves as a different person this is the surprise that there were more people for them they am against them. when they saw they were needed, they became more necessary so it was hard to be race their personhood if i can objectively -- objectify them but once you see that you have value it is easier to straighten up to do the right thing. >> i know kurtis and we go

back of ways. would issue a response to save for those who have lived that experience that our witnesses to others, as the transformation is possible and their condition is possible to change? what is your experience and tell us about your background? >> there are so important because we learn from each other that our society is more like a and different the my eighth - - experience is the human touch element that a lot of providers don't know how to reach people. they do from their programs through structure but people

want to be humanly touched. iolite of phrase these people we have relationships with. that things get done. and to do the things to give you credibility in the community and that transformation takes place that the individual we make sure they get safely to school. that is some of the people that work for us were terrorizing back community. now they're in a position to make sure people get safely to school. that boost their self-esteem to give them credibility in the community and to best

guess the eighth through point to be but we call it bad ingredient that we care about them beyond nine to five. >> recently which is the first resident management i found a couple they are successful in the midst of public housing environment with a lot of chaos with the

successful honor roll for which she shared one of her kids went away from the house and the community got into an uproar because somebody smacked her kid so come to find out they were next door and everybody in that community was waiting for her to go off on her kid to say colorful things and be tim but she told her daughter i care so much about you i just love that you are safe. everybody was looking at her like she was onstage waiting for her to act out but she created the different trend

in the community and set the standard where she is a positive force. i've learned from situations like that i get the opportunity to see that on a daily basis and i feel honored and plus in a huge way that i can learn from people who say they are not teachable or cannot teach you because they live with a certain condition. that is not the case with us >> at the emmanuel missionary baptist church in indiana, you live in one of the highest crime zip codes in the city of indianapolis. and you chose to rebuild your church there instead of the suburbs. tell us about the ubique that you have. i have visited your church many times and i see men pouring into your church at 530 the morning.

[laughter] tell us about that and how new use your ministry to reach people as these gentlemen were saying. >> first you have to be crazy. but thanks first of all, for introducing me to your. and what you both represent. second, also talking about poverty it is multifaceted. it not only deals with social and economic poverty but from mice -- perspective it is also spiritual and emotional and intellectual. i deal with a lot of people in that neighborhood here makes between zero or $20,000 per year.

deion mile radius probably 2,030,000 people live in this area. it has been ranked as the worst zip code is in the city of indianapolis more people come from the penal system back into my zip code we could have moved out. you are exactly right but somebody has to care. somebody has to save their to save us so we decided to build the new church in that zip code but i started that came up because there were so many shootings and killings in that neighborhood i wanted to do something to help the others and families. f545 of the morning a figure you if you come then you want some help. [laughter] we don't serve coffee your doughnuts or giveaway food. i think if you make a way to

meet people's needs because we all have an unresolved issues on the inside, and somebody begins to find out how to reach them and speak in to them they will keep coming. i started with about 50 and 10 years later reserve probably have served over 1,000 in that neighborhood this year alone have a marriage to camp and father and son boot camp on father's day when i started it was far inner-city now people from the suburbs drive-in that tells me we all have and resolve issues that nobody has dealt with. >> tell us what happens comedy days to they commit to a coming? walk us through a typical boot camp and what does that mean? >> because of others' testimony christ has answered my prayer. that is what it stands for.

we watch oprah talking about stories made to the same thing just not on tv. when they come in the morning, we have a principal of the day one is like the law of diminishing intent filagree wait you probably will never do it. and other principal life is not a dress rehearsal it is the real thing you only get one trip. but then repot them into groups of 20 leaders with about tenner 15 guys with a group of young boys between the ages of six and 13. western decamping in the morning i did not start for the kids because of single-parent households and the fatherless problem dr. putnam says if we get fathers back to the home

they can solve america's problems but trying to do that and how to do that has been tough but the boot camp now has the great success rate is not delivering in father's back to the home but we teach lessons to also offer life skills because if i get them a job without life skills there won't keep their dimer they will have tension between the employees so now we have the private sector come along to say we will hire your guys so after get through t.j. and we hold them accountable every day they get a text somebody has contacted them. every day they start their morning with a phone line you can call in monday through friday then we give them the principles we say

you have responsibility to get back to your society. 21 days straight at 5:45 a.m.. i have done that for over seven years. over the last year's pledge to a camp around easter and father's day 14 days in the fall once a month we have an accountability meetings to bring all these guys together with their sons to talk about the issues as a man and as the board we're also a nurturing single-parent boys who don't have fathers in the home and several now are in college they have a mentor to follow them although way through high school and college. if you can be rolled in on this it is my passion but i think gives a phenomenon and it never meant to happen

this way but when god gets behind something he introduces rouge years to people they cheer you to keep going. >> we will discuss that but i want to remind every bed the their reason we're able to get people together because congressmen paul ryan two years ago asked me if i would, a symbol of a group of people from ohio. it was the month before the campaign was over, so i ask the bishop because we have leaders in every state i said i'd made some grass-roots leaders to come together associates call them up dash and because she had the trust of them i had the trust of them so that is

our network works. they met and it was so interesting so we met in cleveland university in the and paul ryan was the vice-presidential candidate so he had security i had to give them the names in advance. they called me to say these people have criminal records i said i thought of them did [laughter] what is the problem? he said i will get back to you. so they went alright he said if the trust them i trust them. so we shared with him and the pastor was the principal and he said to me to think we to base our hands on him

to pray for him at the end of the meeting? i said i am not sure that works for catholics but we can try. [laughter] so after that meeting was over, when they caveman they had tags and they were in tears i am telling you. midway through and rand paul got up we gathered around him to pray i looked at the secret service and they were in tears and paul says it had a profound impact on his life so that is a good segue >> and thank you because that was the last one in mind and the secret service got in front of me to say you cannot go back there for christ and i am with them and they said no you are not. yes i am.

[laughter] so you had to come back to rescue me. [laughter] >> he came with his harley and his wife i said he is one of us. [laughter] thank you. >> it is a blessing to meet you i am privileged to be a part of the family. we pastor a church in ohio and it is in the play's 54% poverty rate. though bordelais us there and said is not a normal place where you would think about starting a church but the board called the is there a man to 21 years ago i was one of those addicts roaming the streets shooting heroin before the heroin

epidemic that has now hit the country but 21 years ago i was that guy. i was hopeless and did not know where to turn to. somebody would reach me with gospel. since then it is always in my heart never forget where you came from some restarted the church with that principle. i ended up meeting craig that was part of the comeback series and i remember going to his mom's house and he had struggled and i was just there as a witness to show him anything is possible. so now what we do as a church is reach the people that normally would not come into a church. rigo out into the street to meet people where they are at because we are them.

that is the misconception people have about others that we all struggle with something. we have a staff of about 16 people at church than 90 percent are former of alcoholics and addicts. it is a domino effect and it takes a person that has been there to bring hope into somebody's life that is currently there right now. that is the basis of government history right now we are working on opening a home for addicts and that is why meeting jewel was such a blessing because what he is doing in san antonio is exactly what we want to be doing. we're doing that now on a smaller scale but we need to hang out with people where we want to be. we are reading them where

they are at and working with people to get them off drugs and alcohol to show them hope. >> we are joined by a dr. holloway, another phase where paul ryan visited twice. i met her maybe 18 years ago when the pastor who comes from a family of pastors living in the suburbs went to speak at a homeless shelter she just pulled over to the side of the road and ask the al llord to speak to her. i remember her taking

homeless men and women into her home which did not please the neighbors. so then she moved into a neighborhood where there was a problem with a rundown house and i'll let her pick it up from there to talk about what she does in this city of hope. >> thank you. good afternoon or good morning. [laughter] it is the non-profit faith based organization that helps residents and volunteers and just recently we had to downsize is the nasty word putted good thing because it determines how you see it so we decided to downsize to make equality

better even if we could not increase quantity. i just left my staff reported for a $1 million grant rehouse women and children and to domestic violence. whenever a person comes and we give them a personal description and that is what creates a problem to make it bigger we want to throw them into the pot but people are unique and differences you have to find a unique and different approach we take representative -- rapist to pedophiles but i never thought i would do but god said if you don't help for stop them who will? sometimes you have to take the hard cases even if you don't want to do so who will? we are in the business of doing what other people don't like to do or people they don't want to help. we have to forgive and

forget and release and relinquish if you don't you will hold them where they are in there will never go where they can go. we only see what they're going to do not what they have done and we keep preaching that but of course, those are just words you have to have behavior and action. we put them in a program to give them an opportunity to grow slow. goals that are not easily manipulated but attainable. most players know how to play the game so they have to change the rules so they cannot get adapted that causes them to give bin. we have a rollout your sleeves git down under the ministry i love that i would not treated for anything in the world i have seen pedophile's change as a year

in my program for six years they adapt to any rules or regulations or drug addicts in a program 17 years submit to a urine tests like this now there are entrepreneurs they have deployed themselves from their ego victory cannot come and tell your ego goes wherever that is it will keep you in bondage but if you whole yourself and have nothing to hide you are what you are and once you do that guy and says i will exalt so we. >> host: to be humble first yourself but first to guide with over 60,000 fermis over the last two months everybody is down he

said what is next i want you to read develop your mind they're not just fishing but the blond daughters. first to fish that for them and feed them mentes them how to fish the be the owners of the pontiff is whole different mind-set so for the next 90 days i am chichi in the of people that are helping you now all of the pond. thank you for listening. >> alibi to talk about the issue many years ago my kids were 13 and 16. midway through the trap them and their father the started

that ministry said to these two women take my three granddaughters in the van to dinner have the back by 9:00 at night and she said relax there ex prostitutes and heroin addicts. they will be just fine. [laughter] i said that and i was giving testimony before the congressional hearing and i turned to the psychiatrist and said how many of you would trust your intervention to the point you would turn over your children to them? i would turn over my children to any one of the people who have declared dampier and one of the reasons i have that confidence, evidently you cannot be hustled which

means people have difficulty fielding you. talk to me about that. house dealer firm that somebody has really changed or just playing games? >> that is interesting because we have a couple about almost two years ago they started to come to read beyond the walls as current heroin addicts they were shooting up in the parking lot so they could come into church to not to me six so if you see things in the parking lot don't be alarmed [laughter] but their name is victor and jaime we met them where they were at and we allow them to continue to come and we encourage them but jaime ended up going into a treatment center and victor took a little longer but i now have given them the keys

to the church. they clean the church they recently last week and got married she lost custody of her five children and was seven months pregnant shooting dope coming to the walls and her little girl was born heroin free which was the mayor called that was assigned that god does love her. because we came from that i could tell when they were ready to be trusted with the keys to the church so now they are on staff. yes. the hustler knows the hustle. this sitting behind the desk that is the social worker that has gone to college not live to the of life it is easy to play that. >> the other person sitting behind the desk i am okay for higher education. believe me. i don't have any but that

person here treats that person like just the number but we mitt jaime and richter were they rat to treat them like a person not like a heroin addict a pedophile or rapist or what ever you are still a person and if you always keep people in categories you will never get them out of it. >> i think it is an intrusive model. i tell people the difference between what we do and with other people do, i will not be that crude because you have cameras. [laughter] but we are not this faraway. we are close to the people who are being treated so in the scripture jesus said she

was sleeping but i tell people get close enough to the victim to do proper diagnosis. . .

>> that is what you get when you have these kind of innovation strategies. it's not where you can't be fooled, you are watching every nuances. >> i have seen all of this. there is also a need for an assumption that every caterpillar can be a butterfly. enact absolutely. >> there is an industry that leaves caterpillar is to stay caterpillars. so when they become a butterfly, you lose money. and there is a vested interest that some people have in keeping caterpillars as caterpillars. you are trying to work yourself

out of a job and these people are not clients, they are butterflies in the making. >> that is a good point because i don't treat the people that i work with as clients. they are friends. they are fathers and husbands. they are people at the end of the day. one of the things that keeps me grounded is that i realize that all our decisions await this mistake. the true essence is that just because you make a mistake does not mean that you are a bad person. i have had situations where some of the individuals work with me that have been caught with a pistol.

and that person just his characteristic and he is a person that would go out in the community and do what needed to be done. >> he was one of the ones that you feared. and there's not a day that goes by in this way.

>> i used to tell people about this before he was totally transformed that is an improvement. [laughter] he improved. [inaudible] >> so i think that from my experience with these men and women for my own personal observation, you are willing to lay down your life. and i remember there was a young hispanic man that was going to be paroled to san antonio. and the condition was that he couldn't be a gang member and

they were laughing and talking about who is going to kill him and i wish that i could exit. that is typical. when we were negotiating. and curtis says to me these guys are fighting for it and i heard him intervene and i rushed

back and we were able to resolve it. but the very fact was that he was not always this quiet or mild-mannered guy. and i heard him say that if you guys want to hit someone, hit me. and he wasn't challenging them in the fight. he said to take your anger out on me. and i wept as i heard that on the phone. but it speaks to the kind of sacrifices and chances that you do every day. and there'll talk to me because when i sit in a roundtable that

we have, i see men some of them older than you. but they listen. and they learn. tell us about kurtz, who i met. >> let me say this quickly. we live with these people. that is one of the reasons why they cannot pull the wool over our eyes. we know them and we are one step away. every day we have to recommit to what we do. and so when you talk about impacting people, we have to make that choice daily. lester talked about the caterpillar and the butterfly. peoples present situation don't dictate their final destination. they can go through a real transformation when they need to because we are transforming

people. kurt are dead 11 years in the federal prison system. he wrote a letter when he was getting ready to reenter society. and asked me if i could help them to reconnect. and he got out. he joined the church. and he had no job. one of the boot camp guys travis reed gave him a job. he is a collision repair guy who fixes cars. and when you talk about a real transformation, knowing when people have changed it is a transformation of leaves and behavior and of character. i think that education is a segue to opportunity and transformation will keep you on the job. and so kurt moore began to wash cars. and we have been talking about

this and he began to go around to a mobile car wash. and so with kurt this is a true story, he started with that raggedy mobile car and there were streaks everywhere. but we gave him a chance. now he has 20 dealerships and they are part of that zip code.

>> you know not 15 but 25. and there are 25 employees. their grassroots people real changes come from the bottom up and not top-down. they cannot change their grassroots people and then when you think about making impact, when i think about this, and this is amazing that they have two locations. a guy that just got out of prison six years ago these are boot camp guys and he has a catering business and no one would hire him. in this capacity we just need an opportunity. >> let me talk to about this q&a outreach. how do you pay for all of this?

>> i want to talk about resources, downsizing, all of these miracle is how do you finance what you just described and what are the challenges related to it? >> one of the wave we do it is we have a house of development and the people that we help they go to the city of hope and we help them get a job and then they are able to pay for this. that brings the rental of the facilities. and as the talent sin and they come together, then you've worked with that talent. and one of the things that i

wanted to say was practicality in making sure that a person stays focused as ever the first 90 days we don't let them go anywhere somebody goes with them and also we also go with the icu and you have to make a habit of this and you have to work with them just like you weren't a would a little baby child. you have to hold their hand and then we start building you.

and they are not giving no help and that is what is wasted money and we check and see see. and you cannot will say some of the situations. and so what we do then is we start building with them and this is one of the things after 60,000 families in 20 years. and you take your time to develop and nobody needs you to be a testimony. your testimony comes on your test is over. if it takes a one-year, three years, if it takes you five

years. i have people that come here many times. what about putting on the first time or the second time? they thought that they were they were getting ready, but they didn't get ready until they got tired of failure and that is what i think our uniqueness is. that we will go to long-distance with the u.s. on if you have to go. and i will be right there for you. so how we deal with money is rental, housing, i opened up a resource department. and i'm giving you an opportunity to help you do what i called you to do and everyone is getting their college degree, whatever they want now with they are defining this with the people.

>> 90% of funding sources in the world are part of this because this is one to three years. so what you said answers one of the questions that you are not fundable by this. >> does anyone else want to talk about this? >> all of ours is funded by the giving of the church and the people of the church. and we have a couple of outside businessmen that go into that, and we recently heard a ministry entitled at event ministries where we manufactured bunkbeds and we bought it as a turnkey right in the building of the church, the building is hard to find because of felony convictions. so the vision of that is to manufacture these bunkbeds that

they have really high quality everything is done i bear and eventually that is going to be a profit and then the other thing is that i have a printing press and i print the money. [applause] >> that's great. [inaudible] >> you may have to start giving them away. >> the church also comes alongside and helps us out. then we ask some of the individuals who are part of the boot camp who give a donation to the boot camp and he recently i was on the radio with bob and they heard my story and we had some funding through this show. but we have this donated to it and we have painted it and we

are going to start to also get some funding and that's pretty much how we are funding it. >> we have contracts with the school system. once these guys are transformed, they have a market advantage when it comes to security and we do some contracts and we apply for grants and donations and i guess i am part of this boost. >> we give small contracts and it's not enough and i don't think truly we will ever get enough money to do a we need to do. and we have the means to get enough money so we can do what they need to do, and the reality is that we don't give enough

funding to sustain what we do. >> we don't operate for them, but we serve them and i'm always trolling for people like dennis, like george, one of the cofounders of century 21 including hamm and his sons come visit and have minute three and he was so moved and she knew that she wanted to buy the 48 unit apartment complex and so george put up a half million to buy it from another half-million from his own contractor so now that building, we did the same thing. and i said to him in 1990 that they were operating out of old barracks.

and that i'm going to help you get a new building and i was blessed organize a grassroots leading meeting and they pledged this and local businesses and business leaders were recruited and built a 3.5 million-dollar printing facility in san antonio that they used as a primary treatment center and so what they hope to do is by working with opportunity that it is responsible that we have been going around with that, visiting each of these communities and videotaping and telling their stories throughout the situation where opportunity lives and that is a perfect platform. and we have this come back and we hope that the viewers will turn and and so you can see hand

that perhaps and it goes into this political party and you will invest a portion of that than those communities and that is a goal to the center and right now i would like to open up this for a few minutes, some of our thoughts to the leaders that we would have any questions and i would like to ask members of the audience if you have questions as well, we can take those as well. >> please introduce yourself. >> first of all, thank you for the testimony you are giving and the work they did. number one you work with a lot of adult and what can we do to

reach out and support you. >> i think that the first thing i think it is too institutional challenge that is necessary. some of the previous ideas that don't work which have been funded fully and researched we should have that same witness apply to us. and sometimes like we are doing here, we are describing what we do, but i think that it will not intellectually hold out.

and this includes we need intellectuals to say that this makes sense, not just that it makes change. and sometimes they say yes, he has changed, but it doesn't make sense. >> and that is a real thing to me right now. >> when you talk about measurable outcomes, with what we do, you cannot measure it in this way. for instance, the graduate school of social work working with males, and they could not get resolved. they came to me and they were getting paid. but i was getting results. and then hold out side-by-side and i guarantee this.

and despite all of the odds, they have sent many individuals to college. and they were able to and if any of them ever came down to inquire how they didn't and what lessons could be john where they were having 53 murders in this area in two years. and we ran out there, we brought them this truce and this lasted for 12 years without a single

game related murder and 12 years and not a single researcher came to inquire how you did it pbs did a special launch and they reported it, but not a single researcher from harvard or princeton or an any of the think tanks came down to inquire. and what is the consequence to change public policy. and that is one of the reasons that we wanted to convene this session and have you. >> thank you. it's very hollow and inspiring. >> it is about the difference between anecdotes here there are

hundreds of thousands and millions of people and my concern is that we have the quality of the leaders and we are graced with her present survey and one thing is a massive effort to replicate what they do and draw in people who may not be of the same caliber and commitment and integrity and when you talk about a program you talk about people including this larger thing and i'm just wondering what that is. >> i'm just wondering if i could answer that as well. and that's what i'm saying is critical. that this is not -- we are

unique in the way that we do this, this is not unique. first, we have to have an intrusive strategy and that is why i was saying that. not that you just have to have intrusive people, strategically the way you platform and then you have to have it in a culturally invasive way and people that are cultural leaders. and then 30 have to have institutional think tanks like bob is doing. and it gives you the platform by which you could really look at the scale. but if you just do it anecdotally you can't do it. and then it is going to bring some people that are not as potent but every team has a

link. at least you have a team to be up front. if we do it that way and this is an and every program whether it is to rehabilitate sharon or whatever you want to call it, every program that we do must have an intrusive model and define what an intrusive model is, you would then be able to truly propagate the right type of people to come through that program. and if the practitioners are that way, then you would be able to scale it up that way. and there are hundreds of thousands of them. >> let me just say that that is why the word enterprises in our name. we believe that the principles that operate in the market economy should operate in the social economy. we know only 3% of the people are entrepreneurs.

and this was something that did not exist six years ago. and so what we do is believe that what you heard here are like the platforms what we have been thinking is advice and counsel from business people who know how to take an idea from someone's kitchen and generate a fortune 500 company and that happens along to victory. and then you invest in it. also knowledge about how to grow that comment too much can suffocated and so what we are doing at the center is a mining business leaders know how to grow a company to come alongside of us and to take this to scale.

and so if people were unwilling to invest in the documents of success how convinced would they be to help with this. you cannot even convince them to come and take a look at what works. so how can you then if you don't even believe it exists. it has any value for you to inquire about it. and with that, i think that you need to move and i'd like to ask any questions. and are there any lessons from the audience? [inaudible]

>> everyone else was in this sort of traditional situations. >> we look for grants for what we do so with this coincides with what we have serviced, that would be part of it. ..