lloyd tell them to come back but the game has changed. it is about accessing the full continue on and effectively militarizing as required. but to protect taxpayer money it is about winning. a lot of folks in private industry will say with civilian technology that we're losing our lead on that. but one question with those contending teams in our

conversation they have the best death in a row. but at the same time to bureaucratize that we don't innovate very well weaken the eve of the glass is half full or half-empty. i would counsel congress to be optimist that is a way of life i ascribe to you cannot have everything all the time and think everything will be well all the time that could be realistic about the potential. we really do have the taxpayer in mind that seems to be a struggle with the

current leadership on the hill and their understanding of the industrial base teaches secretary mcnamara recognize the need somebody needed to look to those logistics' from 50 years ago to see that in a different light in since we have continued to see that as a way to support the mission constantly. that drives the potential solutions with the revolutionary opportunity and trusting in the entrepreneurial spirit is going to be 0k if you learn from those mistakes with the

investment of technology is all worth it. with the process and the structure as has been recognized it ties up the process for the people who might have the solution would not participate / which challenged congress to be optimistic to have more trust in the private sector. >> and what way is that congress not trusting the private sector enough's? because it pushes dod to use the regulated and added to procurement and needs to encourage to take advantage of commercial acquisitions? what is a specific way? >> this is so cumbersome the

requirements donate the -- don't meet the needs of what is proposed. if there is a new way of solving them you have to look at it with old acquisition policies and there is the disconnect how you do that. if you don't have all of the answers at the beginning the evaluation process is not educated enough there is the fear of the process it is just the of bureaucracy to characterize it does red

tape to prevent these new solutions from being applied >> we have a half-hour left please identify yourself. >> good morning. thanks for your comments. women independent consultant i have the background of life cycle management in the air force and i have to do with private manufacturer approval. where is that with regard with the whole process? budget constraints is where we looked significantly and i would like to know if you

have an update. >> with the association of american geographers we have been big advocates as we talk about complexity and revolution and evolution how has the defense department been thinking about the technology's? >> that is a very interesting discussion i can figure out how to do in the field but the problem that you run into with aircraft systems there are certain characteristics you have to have. material properties as well

as surface finish and a mention maliki. if you don't have them, it fails and that is spectacular but not in a good way if you go through that process the whole idea is you have proven you can produce that part. if you decentralize that manufacturing can challenge that because how you maintain that authority to challenge for us as we stand by the quality of u.s. parts that we cannot stand by the neb makes it very difficult to stand by our product anymore. so where we are right now it is a bureaucratic process.

talk about competition but you have to be very mindful of quality and as a look at the additive manufacturing that becomes even more complex. >> we work with universities with the research and development program and one of the things we have been looking at with additive manufacturing is have you provide the technology and the key component is the capabilities of what we need throw the navy out with the bathwater with those engineering aspects physics is not changing it is the same it is the technology for when you produce the part to put it on the airplane or the submarine

you have to understand their traditional aspect how you have used that part in the past and use this new technology to create a new part whether it is the same part or three parts that you print the you have to have that background in engineering and that capability to understand how to use that the with the war fighter the question that needs to be answered is what we are working with, if you put additive manufacturing in the field at the combat outpost with the infantryman unit that is 30 guys then who has the capability to take the software to print the part as is needed to use the files and the data? the stem piece continues to be an area there is a growing need and there will

be in need to have a specialist and a generalist's to facilitate the process for the technology to be applied in a foreword or deployed setting. >> i guess this question is for gm. gives some examples the way the services are using additive manufacturing now and what their plans are to use that technology in the coming years? >> georgetown university. looking at a different angle , through the process of the acquisition with the external factors with fighter planes and missile technology is the pressure to produce these products because of the vast

advancement of weaponry maybe that is the process of breaking down the red tape. >> let's add one more. >> and the former member of the intelligence community and state department. what is the rate of progress of our major adversaries of the russian federation and china? >> with the use of negative manufacturing of the experimentation either by a

individuals or units of the inherent interest. so to have concrete examples with manufacturing machines. there is a modification of weapons rather than being mass-produced and there is an example of something that was used for a helicopter made in the field. this is not new. a ship is out there in the middle of the ocean.

we will come up with a solution but with this technology to talk about solutions that it can execute upon. so you have to have within the services a function of need and frankly immediate need of how to solve a problem that causes you to. a technology for word. with the industrial base base, that technology is fluctuating. the machines and the material is crashing. and effectively the modernization is going on

that are becoming highly specialized with the competitive advantage so if i say will you tell me how to use this process he would not tell us because that is the competitive advantage but for a limited number using this there truly differentiating themselves. frankly what is available is not up to snuff so in the commercial industrial sector , it really plays out as a commodity type of capability with materials or to seek competitive of vantage and takes a lot to

lock down the process but when you do you have the advantage that is significant that justifies that capital investment. >> there are two key examples from manufacturing it was printing bridges for people for many years almost 30, with the evolution of additive manufacturing there is a great opportunity there and medical services continue to provide that lack of infection with a traumatic brain injury but what i mentioned earlier the

special operations that was deployed in afghanistan infantry units were given a flashlight and there was the exterior button every time there would watch it would click on and off if you are familiar with night ritual that is rule number one do not turn on your light so they said we need a cover. so they produced a cover and printed them in the field and provided them immediately. that is a key example of the aspect of it. and continuing on at the services they're pushing the envelope constantly because primarily they are the war fighters they don't want to put up with those impediments to abort the

mission so they push the technology so they try to help them see the cost of services to have a comprehensive strategy for this technology. >> if you're talking, -- trouble talking about global technology. >> it is hard to answer directly but i will touch on both. there is a lot of investment of russia and china that has been fairly public a lot of articles about the commercial side to develop the propulsion capability. so clearly that bears watching. if you are watching the remarks we have a $2 million investment meanwhile we are struggling in other areas.

why is that? to recognize as say differentiator for the united states. that is why keeping it that way is a good reason for that. is remarkable historically we can rise to the occasion to have a national imperative going back to world war ii the things going on was from the defensive industrial base to punch them off the production line day after day after day for the government and industrial base. fast forward once that was launched, we took off. we were putting people on the moon and that was just one part from the cold war

and the technology -- technological of finance from a national imperative so where read today? reconsider going on in russia and china to look at the defense strategy is it the imperative? you might argue not yet. are we headed in that direction? maybe. >> from additive manufacturing and the perspective we are using that very extensively and far more cost effectively. we are talking about modifying a system by using the infrastructure and

experimenting with far more sophisticated materials as well. but when it comes to the pace of our adversaries i am very optimistic from what is occurring right now. only a few minutes into the conversation with the conversation about whether we're going or what we're doing so the same thing. they are very keen to make sure that costs serving - - saving is occurring. i have seen good

conversations coming across. i'm not suggesting they were not met with the amount of intensity. >> one more round of questions. i will say that the general will be here tuesday at 3:00 but that is an opportunity may mayor may not have another opportunity on c-span2 say thank-you to all of our military leaders as we see the joint chiefs of staff and the chief of naval operations they appear to be changing as the navy is in transition but i am sure we all want to thank the generals and the admirals'

but all the men and women who have served with them through the intense period of military activity and service for our country. keep a round of applause also for the wonderful military leaders as it is a historic moment to simultaneously bring it home. so now three last questions with a final-round. >> thank you for a very informative session here today. my question is related to jim to talk about the application of additive manufacturing with logistics'. day you see much evidence

how additive manufacturing is changing design philosophy? are people starting to design for additive manufacturing? >> i want to ask what initiatives you see under dod funding or other departments for additive manufacturing? and for example, as setting up a national network for innovation glading dod gave them a fair amount of money could you comment on how that is going but are there other issues like that coming down the pipeline?

>> you mentioned adversaries are moving away from the hardware approach to have digital thingness earlier in the cycle. could you elaborate? and the implications for how they do business in that field? >> those were very succinctly so we will have one more question and then wrap up. >> i am a soldier so my a remarks are my own. could i get remarks to 3d printing and materials? we heard about components and parts but what about individual cartridges for soldiers' weapons or drop munitions to be tailored

more efficiently placed in the hands of the war fighters saw opportunities and efforts and the merits of this research and defense industry and academic partnerships that we could leverage the graduate students. thank you. >> let see if we cover most of the question. >> with regards to the joysticks, the key parts that we see is turning it on its head and say you create the part that news tended to manufacturing or it is sent out into the field if you push the entire thing for word with the machine in the field printing in the field

you're just truncating the entire process then you know, exactly where it is so the potential there is great and significant to condense the supply chain. looking a reduction of inventory, all the money spent for the up parts and to house them but is there a business to truncate that? and with regard to the question about academic partnerships, a lot of universities work with organizations like myself and in youngstown ohio ohio, there is an initiative born out of the dod bringing industry and academia and the department of defense to have a conversation to put the technology for word through the acquisition process to introduce that

entrepreneurial spirit the focus primarily just on the technology of the 3d printing. they may not have a familiarity with the dod contracting process so we are helping to facilitate that conversation there are things they're doing directly like the virginia tech for penn state labs and their investments they're making to work collaborative the for the potential implications and where you can find efficiencies or components that could be printed and then we do a lot of work to take those questions to invest our own funding to answer those questions for the graduate students and those programs

still have the traditional manufacturing and engineering background but are advancing it how these are designed in 3d how'd you look at a part and put them together to how they can be printed. >> i would like to address the question around design of additive manufacturing i would characterize it to be an art but not a science. it needs to take a job for word. neece to catch up with the technology there is the lack of technology to be digitally optimal as it is referred to. so when composite's came

into aerospace there was the incredible adoption cycle of getting a composite education have flourished that took decades, really. some of that is going on for added manufacturing. but there are to interesting things. the first is where designs are coming from. we hear them running on gentians or parts so where your to go for solutions but

the second that those who embark on the manufacturing path to lay out the economics to change the part i just want to build it at a point of use with the logistical requirements for a disappearing source of parts. etc. >> what is the implications as the front end of this system? to piggyback a couple of decades, the enthusiasts that had these scanners, you

could figure out what you want to listen to go to your electronics store you could plug in the crystal and if you could change your mind than to go back to the store. for those frequencies such to understand that. the reason to converting into a format and much, much earlier. and to change to the radio

but the software is not going down the road. you can extrapolate from their. and perhaps across different radio formats. for those that you want to bridge to make that connection no curve. -- ocher. that is part of sensibility or loss. >> excellent. >> i appreciate that relationship with that 3d manufacturing to make that replica. there are a lot of acadia is

going back to the question and design and manufacturing that is the real opportunity because it opens up a whole new way to make things that can cost less or take less time to eliminate at of my paid manufacturing line and frankly it just makes the product better. i don't put things in other places i cannot remove it later on. i have design flexibility. i have a program of a major component of a military engine on test me make parts using additive manufacturing with the implementation and by doing that i don't have to add things to disrupt the performance it makes it better. that is wary we need to go.

it is an art right now. you think of physics that you cannot push on a rope but the way we think of our problems and analysis, we have to rethink not only how we make things but how we design them and analyze them to take full advantage of that. the opportunities like the initiatives of additive manufacturing. america continues to get this started. because we are here talking about it because others are heavily engaged. but the part of that universities are a huge part of that. to have the relationship

naturally being a connecticut-based company company, we were gone that. if you talk to different companies you will hear similar stories with their universities specifically for that reason. there is a huge opportunity there and only a matter of time before we get there. >> thanks for being here and please

then we look to see whether there was a way to mitigate that. what the team astana over the past three months is to take apart all of those. i would offer to the committee a detailed brief on the specifics of that team. i think that would be common would help you understand how we are moving forward. then we looked at how do we

train out those specific failures. the immediate is to train how to those failures so that we don't have a repeat of those. were not in the process of doing that over the course of the next few days by the end of september. we will have trained the failure, the specifics about the failures to every front-line member of tsa. that will address the immediate problem and i think we can do that. the bigger question is are there systemic issues in the way we are pushing hard this is the to the first in the first place. what i don't want to see some other set of failures in the future. i know i can train to these but i'm interested in figuring out how do we train to the larger questions and that's what we're working on now. echoes tweet vision for how you can begin to think of yourself in this continuously evolving continuously adapting way. as i said the thing to remember is that there are other elements of the system, some of them virtual, some other physical

elements of the system, but the checkpoint is one of the most important and we have to get that right. right. >> you talk about technology and vision for the future. you and i've talked about this privately. it seems like precheck i think has been a success and global entry makes more passenger friendly, more risk-based which i think is where tsa should go but as we look at the future, you know, the checkpoint of the future and the use of technologies, what is your vision for the next say 5010 years? what will the experience be like? what is your goal for the traveling passenger? >> that's a wonderful question because as someone who's traveled a lot over the years i know what checkpoints can feel like when you get there. i do think there's a vision for something of the future. one of the best terms i third reason was security at the speed of life. i like the. there are a number of

interesting and innovative ideas out of there. i mentioned one in my opening statement. the idea that you are your boarding pass and if i can tie you biometrical to a reservation, to an identification, and i can do so in a verified way, then that makes you through the process faster. we eliminate boarding passes and every airline has a different style of boarding pass. make it very challenging for those document checkers to check those because they're look at something different. there's not a lot of consistency. i think we can move to integrated technology that does -- right now there's a challenge because the machines to do metal detection. metal detectors don't to nonmetallic explosives and that can sniff for explosives as you go through. i've seen prototypes of machines you can walk through editors all of that in one. now, can they be fielded effectively?

item the. this goes back to your earlier question about competition. we can do a lot more to incentivize competition and the private sector. i am currently writing a type of process that has been buying a lot of equipment that may be obsolete shortly after i bought it. i have to adapt continuously to a changing threat. i look at the way the department of defense has periodically incentivized competition in the private sector to come up with new ideas. i think there's ways to do that. i would love to more conversations with this committee on ways we can do that, ways we can use or modify some of our acquisition practices and policies to allow us to do that. >> i look forward to working with you on that, and thank you for your testimony. the chair recognizes the ranking member. >> thank you very much. mr. neffenger you are clearly a breath of fresh air and i think the chairman will agree with me on that. we passed a modernization of

acquisition legislation to kind of give the department a freer rein. one of the challenges we have is to -- is the culture but we've always done it this way. so we buy technology in tsa that we already know does not address the emerging threat. but because this is how we do. members of congress have raised the question a number of times. i'm glad to see you willing to say how can we get out of this. cia, nasa, some the other agencies, they have vehicles that they use to incentivize the acquisition of new technologies. some of the is you create a venture farm and to purchase participation with those companies so they can continue the development. we tried that for quite a while

and i want to talk to you a little bit about that going forward. but as we talk about technology let's talk about how we do processing. some of us have had real problems with it. it appears that the issue became how can we get people through the checkpoint faster, rather than how can we guarantee that those people who go through have actually been vetted. so we have cross purposes. how do you see the department working on this program? >> thanks for your question. i agree completely with you. i'd like to see us, and in fact, i've ordered a phasing out of the managed inclusion program because i think the goal is to a fully vetted population in the precheck program. the more i know, i of the

people, people address going to the program. that is really the heart of risk-based security is a want to separate out and known population from what i don't know anything about. automation -- i want to make it less to do the population but one that reduces the burden on the agency. i'm paying attention to things i needed to continue versus the people of already vetted. i think we could phase out managed inclusion because it introduces i think perhaps level of risk everyone in the system. want to grow the use of passenger detecting, i mean passenger screening k-9s. these are the explosive detecting dogs we have. they are tremendous assets and we're looking to expand that program slightly and to reposition some of the canine teams that we have in locations that are lower risk to higher risk location. more importantly i want to look

we are working on a request for proposal to put out the option for private sector third party screeners to post to the initial marketing and collection of people into the precheck program. i've had a number of conversations with travel aggregators, with credit card companies and the like. i think there's an opportunity to expand that precheck program the known population, enrolled population over the near-term. so i'm encouraged by the opportunity. i'm hoping this request for proposal generates a lot of interest in competition in the private sector and integral the population. and thin to me people that already screened like we did with military numbers and others that already have background checks already have biometrics on file into the precheck program based upon their ongoing -- >> couple of the questions. one is the whole employee morale

issue. every opm report that we read lists dhs at the bottom and more specifically tsa. how do you plan to get us off the bottom? >> i read the federal employee survey that tsa did, and you're right, it doesn't ring near the top of organizations -- rank. i go back to what is my opening statement. first of all starts with a clear understanding of mission. i started with the fact that everyone of them raised their hand and took the oath of office support and defend the constitution of the country. think about it how many people in this country do that? they put their job i'm sure the eyes are open. they knew it wasn't the most popular job in the country but they said i want to be the face of security for the traveling public. that's were the route starts.

where does morale fail after that? if there's a disconnect between what they signed up for and what they think your position nothing to do. i go right back to the nation and my three decades in the coast guard tony it starts with mission. didn't have to come here to talk about that mission and train to the nation and measure that mission. second workout want to know that my agency is not on giving the tools and training i need to do it, doing that on a regular basis, and they are backing me up when they make decisions. i think there's a lot of trained to do and i think there's a workforce engagement peace. >> thank you. my last question mr. administrator, with respect to twic card we've resolve the problem with this committee's help the people who applied to have to go back. now we are hearing that when they tried to get we certified, there is a tremendous backlog so

that members, twic card expires before the new card comes. we would like you to look at that. in this committee's efforts. i don't want to have created a bigger problem by alleviating the second trip. and we didn't fix the gaping detroit guard back. the last item is -- didn't fix the twit card getting back. people are being required to get an additional card. it costs about $200 that acts such as the same information at the twic card as. so can we see if there's some reciprocity that twic card can provide to other installations of so those workers don't have to pay for a second card?

>> well, i'm not familiar with the concern you're racing but if i can get we just have to find with that issue is i will certainly look into the. i think it would make sense if we are collecting the same information, we can verify the same thing and i think it makes sense to work on reciprocity. >> and the issue of getting the cards back before they expire speak with yes, sir. and again let me find out what our current backlog is. i know the twic card is the challenge of the end of the focus area for me as i move forward. i would like to do with the backlog is at again, are the things that we can do that could dramatically speed up the that process? >> make you very much. i yield back. >> mr. rodgers is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. admiral, welcome the other big challenge on your hands. i've been on display since it was established. i've seen the department grow and develop since it was established and i can assure you, you have some inertia to

deal with. you have some implicit you left put the fear of guard in their heart or nothing is going to change. icings and the administrators procedure that ran into administrative pressures to back off. you will run into that. i want you to understand you've got some folks really believe they don't have to change. you will be gone before before the and you need to make them understand that's not the case. if they don't change what they're doing. it can be slight changes. it's going to be dramatic changes are will have the same results we've been getting the last several years. this most recent ig report that upsets me people was identical to the previous three ig report over roughly if i get it done. that's unacceptable as people were unwilling to do anything different and oblate there's consequences for not doing anything different. i hope you and still not understanding in them that if they don't change, they are gone. if you can't do that you ought to be gone. i think you would agree with

that. one concern i've got. i heard the chairman make reference to the precheck program. very good program as far as its goals. the problem we are running into, and to take when you move around airports you'll see this come is that frequent travelers who are the people we went into this program have gotten into it. the airports have not adjusted the lane activity to accommodate the traffic so now you spend more time in the precheck line than you do if you go into the priority lane, scott priority, whatever they call it just go to the typical take your shoes off. that's silly. people going to stop going into the precheck program. they don't find enhancing their ability to get through and a faster fashion to help you address that issue with the airport folks because we want the precheck program to continue

and to be the method of getting safe, people that we know through in an efficient manner so we can pay more attention to those infrequeninfrequen t travelers are more apt to have a problem. i did hear make you a reference to the front you understand canines are a valuable asset. they are the best asset you have. i'm going to talk in open settings about the efficacy of equipment or the personnel, but it would like to assist we're back from august district work period to meet with you and staffing over in detail what the shortcomings. i'm very familiar with the subject matter and but i think needs to be done to remedy that so i look forward to that and if i can get you commitment to meet with me in september for the purpose. >> yes, sir. i would be happy to do so. >> thank you. that's all i've got. i yield back.

>> first let me offer my appreciation, chairman and ranking member for your presence here today vice admiral. and let me thank you for your service. it's interesting i follow my good friend mr. rogers because i think we switch back and forth. i had the privilege of sharing the transportation security committee and i think that serve as his ranking when he was chair, and are, if you will, young but we have been here for a little bit. and so we are grateful for your service, and again out of my chair and ranking member of the full committee. let me as i think you for your service, let me take a different twist and say to you that i'm very proud of the men and women who serve every day on the front lines in many ways but in particular to the f. transportation security officers. over the years i have argued for increased professional

development training to recognize about morale and commitment have a lot to do with pay, respect, and professional development training. i will be posing questions within a short period of time i have. let me also acknowledge to my colleagues my sympathy to the hernandez family for mr. fernandez killed in the line of duty as a transportation security officer in los angeles. some of us went out to los angeles to acknowledge that as well as meeting with his family. we should never dismiss the fact in all of the issues that you had to do with is that since 9/11 there are probably millions of tsa screening, tso screenings, and any number of stops at the tso officer may come and and i hope you acknowledge that because beginning to correct starts with

acknowledging service. and i think it's very important to do so. let me also say however, that in addition to that we have allegations of mismanagement wasteful procedures, retaliation against whistleblowers, low morale, security gaps but i never want to leave this table without saying thank you to the tso office of the i make it my business as a travel airports across america to say hello to ask a question or to watch their procedures. and again if i might professional develop training is crucial. so let me just ask you a series of questions but hope i'll be able to get in. one, i think you can do better if we all get rid of sequestration. i want to get that on the record because you need money place in the right places. i agree with the use of privatization on the basis of pashtun let me correct that. i believe there is a place for the private sector in particular

did with technology. i might've mr. toomey said something about a third tsa it was the private sector to help that's not right. i'm against privatizing airports and privatizing tso offices. i think we need a professional trained crew. i want you as it relates to professional trained groups. there is $700 million being spent. i would be interested in keeping able to craft an effective utilization of these individuals of this project with a more effective use of the resources that you were given on the. i want to take note of the fact that a young man in dallas was so in love with his girlfriend such as recent events have security, i would like to comment on the. we shut down newark airport a couple years ago with another young man who went through security. then i would like to have your comment that tsos are the most visible face of security in america. how to make people run toward

many good people and said i am so happy, as most people do about these issues. and if i might yield to you for these answers. and again i hope i can join mr. rogers and others for the printing. if you could comment on those i would greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. and thank you first and foremost for acknowledging the workforce. i couldn't agree with you more. the mission of tsa is delivered by those frontline transportation security officers across this nation, and i can't say enough how important they are to the success of the program but i can also thank them enough for the work they did unintended to the editor, something of a travel, and certainly now or quit expected budget, i think you're right. they sequestration is a challenge for every government agency that would be subjected to a. i hope congress is able to pass budget resolution that will eliminate sequestration and allow stuff some certainty going

forward. to correct, to make sure i was clear with respect to their party, as we speaking about the incentivizing private sector entities, private sector businesses to help develop the technology we need into the future. i think there's a way to do that in a competitive way and to provide incentives that don't have government taking on all the risk for the development don't have government by huge capital outlays for equipment and then later becomes obsolete. bbdo program fashion of his been some controversy about that program. has been a number of gao audits and one audit that is asked is look at the exit of the program and the work that is done, i know of tsa contracted out a third party over the other program. the third party spent two years collecting data on the program and running tests.

that was submitted as report and the question with respect to the underlying concerns. we are in the process of completing a report showing what would live to be the scientific underpinnings of that. that said, i understand the concerns with the use of that. from my perspective, and i'm not clear on how feel about bbdo program yet been well to the new. but from my perspective if they can show a link to validate scientific underpinnings, if i can show some effectiveness with behavioral viewing, then i think it is a good tool to end the security toolkit. i know the law enforcement agencies around the world use behavioral indications as a way of determining if they can't problems, whether you're a beat cop or you're looking at other situations. so i think that i'm looking for to reading the report went on to looks at the scientific underpinnings and i look forward to discussing it further with

the committee. this security breach at dallas airport that you mentioned that's of great concern to me. for a couple of reasons. one, i'm very concerned about the safety of our front-line workforce, and officer hernandez, tragic loss of officer hernandez, the tech and new organs earlier this spring, those are very real threats that face our front-line workforce and yet be careful of the. so any potential for someone to breach the barrier runs the potential for not just safety issue but this security issue. i ordered an immediate review of the and want to find out what happened, more informally this goes back to the systemic issue. i don't want to go around whacking everyone off problems that exist. i want to understand to have an issue with security at a checkpoint. that is the barrier between the nonsterile and a sterile areas and has been expectation of the barrier working. i don't have the full results

investigate of that yet. i was sure that will share that with you when i have it but more important i'm going to look across the system and look at how we were doing this. >> thank you for your courtesy. may i put this in the record, please, mr. chairman? >> without objection. >> i would just like to put this in the records we can discuss it further. thank you. >> without objection, so ordered. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to first of all tackle the sentiments of mr. thompson a chart indeed a breath of fresh air. st. jude come on board i think you're exactly what tsa needs at this time. i also back of the sentiments of mr. rogers, there's a lot of problems that tsa but i saw like a politician but i like the sentiment of ms. jackson lee and say the good work of your employees day in day out. often can't find the needle in a

haystack i appreciate the effort everyone. one of the areas i want to focus on a little bit today is the issue of access control. you kind of touched on it but i think it's a gaping hole nationwide. within the last year or two you've had a much -- major drug ring. it had another one operating out of dallas-fort worth airport that is truly troubling implications based upon the briefings i received so far that are not necessary public. another want of course very troubling was an individual to smuggle as much as 160 guns loaded including assault rifles on airlines because a worker at the atlanta airport carried the guns in bags through the access points and brought them up to in your city. at any point instead of selling them, if you want to do something bad on the airplane we would have an unbelievable tragedy on her hands. there is a major problem with access controls at airports, and i recently had a bill passed out

of our committee our subcommittee addressing the issue but i'd like to hear your thoughts on the access control issue. should be minimum standards at all access points at these airports? i will preface the question further by saying that it's clear, dallas case that the vipr teams that are used to do the random screening at the various points for being monitored by the bad guys at dallas-fort worth and are simply avoiding with a quick phone call to a college. so that's not going to work going forward. with that overview at those other purposes i'd like to hear your thoughts on access control. >> thanks. and i agree with your concern. as you know, those incidents, let me back up a little bit and talked in general terms. they should be a known and trusted population. everyone of these workers gets vetted for background.

this question as to how far we need to go back in the future but we vet for background. any credential holders are vetted against the terrorist screening database, and then currently there's a periodic review against criminal databases. that doesn't guarantee. that just guarantee that they didn't up at that point. what they do about the potential for criminal activity or worse than a known infected population? you've introduced uncertainty into the population and to try to grow a culture of belonging and, to that organization. i absolutely agree that access should reduced to the minimum necessary to ensure operation of the facility. i think in my experience in the port environment and look at the maritime sector right after nine 9/11, and wide open environment for obvious reasons. you want stuff to freely move in and out. the first inches we got back from the maritime sector work it's impossible to close this

down. on overtime we did the. we set a series of standards that have to met and expectation that there will be periodic, random and other types of inspections at your subject to it. growing a culture that we are all in this together. i look at the aviation environment, i look at the hundreds of different employers of people who hold badges and you think how do i get a group of people to think as one? to recognize that hey this is the airport. there's a campaign after i think a combination of reducing access points increasing setting specific statutory expect to be going to the access point you inspect to those standards keeping that randomized expectation of inspection. because i think that helps. you need a number of these things. and then growing a sense amongst the workforce, the large number of large percentage of which are

good, solid, hard-working people that look it's their responsibility to please this as well. those of airports that are done as effectively as like to look and see what those best practices are and extend those across. i'm looking at the recommendation. nation of that very strong opinions about access control. i'll be meeting with a group in the course of the next few weeks. i meeting with the airport executives, meeting with airport council. this is a top issue of concern for me as well. >> to follow up. there's a couple of airports nationwide, namely miami and orlando, i think atlanta is go towards this if you're not already there. atlanta and miami out of -- conduct on property, but those three airports including being the largest airport in the world, the busiest airport in the world are all going towards 100% screening of employees. we hear from get from airports across

the country and begin that's simply not doable. i'd like to hear your thoughts on that. >> i'm going to start with a visit to the airports into it over the course of the month of august because want to see what 100% security looks like. i want to hear from them how they cheated. what are the challenges and what are the ongoing implications. i need to be able to address that went to visit with imports who claim he can't do that. so i'm on a little fact-finding mission over the next month to try to educate myself as to what the various arguments are. what i like to discontinue to this conversation going forward after i do that. >> i look forward to it, sir. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. secretary, i'd like to just talk about diversity. i think gender diversity is a call for most public and private sectors i think the tsa it's actually an absolute necessity given the traveling public that they are interacting on a daily

basis. what percentage of tsa employees are women? >> i don't have the number off the top of my head, although i've asked for that and it's one of the things i'm talking about this week. diversity initiative critically important. ..

leave some level of frustration female employees have because they are facing those limitations and room for upward mobility that men don't. i am glad you are focused on that. i am happy to be sitting with you. you were a great choice. i think your focus on trying to improve the more route for your

employees is a good goal and i want to offer the we are here to improve your morales such as it is, you are in a truly thankless job. i look forward to seeing you out in l.a. when we look at lax airport on the eighteenth of this month and how can assure you we all stand ready to help you in any way we can, thank you mr. chairman. >> the chair recognizes mr. carter. >> thank you mr. chairman. admiral, welcome. i in no way speak for all members of this committee but for myself and i suspect the committee members would agree with this we wish you success. we want to see you succeed and do everything we can to help you. i want to touch quickly on two things first understand i represent the entire coast of georgia. on the coast we have two major ports, we have to the savannah outport which is the number 2 container port on the eastern seaboard and brunswick port which is the number 2 porche in

the nation. both of those ports are vitally important. in both of those ports we use the transportation workers identification credentials. i want to talk briefly about that very quickly. i would like to read to use examples of situations that have occurred with quicks cards that i am concerned about. and individual using netflix card to gain access, kill the naval officer. and individual who threatened to detonate a bomb demonstrating a terrorist could do the same and the ineffectiveness of the twix program. twix holders have demonstrated twix are provided to criminals to be used to commit crimes on ports. the proposed rulemaking for twix describes multiple possible terrorist scenarios weather that twix cards will not be effective.

dhs failed twice to complete successful pilot programs with the twix cards. it is not completed the reliable analysis of the twix program internal controls effectiveness and finally geo demonstrated the twix's weakness through its analysis in over and covert testing multiple times. my question is what about the twix cards? can it be fixed? if it can, how are you going to fix it? >> you raise a lot of the same questions i had coming in to this job. as a former member of the coast guard we worked with gsa. the coast guard implemented the twix program based on the rules that were set for the issuance. in general terms as i think about that i want them issued to a known population meaning combine metrics on that person and run those against databases to tell me if i have got a

criminal actor and i want to make sure that the disqualifying factors other right disqualifying factors for holding that card. there was a great deal of discussion about what those disqualifying factors should be at the time the twix was created and a lot of groups, longshoremen and others had some concerns about that list and that took a lot of work to get the list negotiated. you need to continually look at that to ensure you have the right features or the right disqualifying factors identified and that you are consistent in the application. the second piece to is to have it used properly when you are attempting to enter a facility and i used properly i mean what aspects of that facility does it give you access to, why does it give you access and how known are you to the population, is that part of the reader issue and the procedural rules issue. as you note, the twix can be coded to give you access to different aspects of our facility, some more secure than

others. all of that is my ongoing review right now of the program. i can't specifically answer all your questions today but i promise that over coming weeks and months i will answer those questions as i get smarter about the current state of play, in your particular instance i want more detail about what you are saying so i can look of those specifically. >> i want to follow up on vetting on the air line markers, specifically in june we had a year in here and i was appalled to find out some of the applicant's work tse positions were only required to have their last name with no social security number. i hope that has been taken care of all ready and if it hasn't i hope the first thing you do when you get back is to take care of that. >> that has been taken care of and we are moving to a full

name, social security number and clear connection to identity. >> let me finish by repeating what i said before. we wish you success and wants to help use the thank you for what you're doing. i yield back. >> chair recognizes mr. or as. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you again, admiral, for being with us today. i have no doubt that under your leadership in which you are experienced and what it sounds like great support from this committee will be successful at addressing major concerns the we have seen at the psa and their responsibility securing our nation in our airports. today i want to focus on my home airport, ontario international airport. as you may know the airport is

controlled by the los angeles airport, they have oversight and management control of this airport. through my experience not only as a passenger but going on a security visit 4 of the airport i want to highlight for you today the concerns that i have. under the agreement or the arrangement we have with ont lax is 56 miles away, and they are the ones controlling our airport. ont airport manager is only at the airport on a part-time basis. it is a shared position with another airport and our way depending on traffic.

we used to have a full-time assistant manager but that position was deleted a year ago. the authority, the management authority could be very well undermined when that manager is not at ont airport and it is unclear who is in charge of the airport when that person is physically not present. when it comes to technology the ontario international airport seems to be lacking. the card reader technology that regulate access to the secure areas is inaccurate meaning that employees have no limited access to where they can enter secure areas. additionally many dispatch center security monitors at ont airport are not functioning.

ont airport has old fire department equipment from lax so whenever it is deemed inoperable or unwanted at lax is shipped to ont airport and that is the equipment that our folks have to work with. when it comes to security airport perimeter security appears to be lacking and needs to be reviewed. for example as the result of a great separation on the north side of the airport we have had residents that were able to walk and drive all the way through to the runway without being stopped. i also have concerns about the training of ontario airport employees. appears the lax employees do some training at the ont facility but it is not clear if our employees at ont airport are participating in that training and as you can see i have many

concerns about the security of ontario international airport. this is a major problem because the airport serves millions of residents in california at. it is a home. it is an engine for our community. in the inland empire. my goal as i explained to you earlier is not to get into the politics of who owns the airport. my goal today is to ensure that you fully understand the issues and concerns our community has as it relates to security and who is managing and who is responsible for the ont airport. i want to invite you to participate in a meeting with me to discuss these concerns and to come up with solutions to these problems. would you be willing to to discuss these issues and visit with me on the airport and would you be willing to work with me

in other ways to begin to address the tremendous problems and i have seen personally at this airport? >> yes i would be and i look forward to the opportunity to talk to you to understand better what the issues are and more importantly to visit the airport and see for myself what some of these issues are. >> thank you. i also want to reiterate that i do get the ontario airport experience once a week when i go home. >> thank you, mr. chairman. admiral, first of all i would like to thank you for your 34 years of dedicated service in the coast guard and i certainly wish you the best of luck in your new role as t.s. administrator you have a difficult job ahead of you. as a number of our recent

hearings in this committee have violated, there are some immediate and frankly glaring problems that you will need to address in this new role. we need to only rewind the clock a few days to underscore the troubling gaps that exist right now at gsa. i am sure you are obviously aware three days ago on sunday at the dallas-fort worth airport a 26-year-old man was able to bypass tee as a security without a boarding pass or any identification at all and get on a plane to guatemala and according to the police reported was only after the police were called and the individual left the plane that gsa security became aware of the incident so i want to give you an opportunity to respond to what happened and give us any

information you can about your investigation into how breach of that magnitude was possible. >> i share your great outrage over is that. as i said before the checkpoint is a critically important element of a security system and it does for a barrier between so with that specific case that is under investigation right now i am happy to share the results once we see what the specifics were the cause that but the bottom line is you should not have, it should not be easy, it should be impossible for somebody to get past the checkpoint without being observed and certainly should not get past the checkpoint to the point of getting on an aircraft without having known about it so we will find out what happened there but it speaks as i said earlier to the

more systemic question about how we are managing our checkpoints. it ties right into some of the concerns with respect to how we are supporting our from my work force, with the training is and the standards we expect that as i said i think we will find out what happened there and i will make sure we put in place procedures to keep it from happening again. it may be a question of changing the way those barriers are constructed when there's nobody manning the station. it is quite often the case that you have been slower periods lines that and not open. and how they're secure during the time and what is the protocol for keeping them secured. >> vfw is an airport i use frequently and obviously many constituents i represent as well, one of the busiest airports in the country. can you tell us at this point, do you know is this an issue that was specific to that airport or are some of the

concerns something that could happen at other airports around the country? do you know if this is simply a configuration issue or is it a breach of protocol or procedures? can you share any information at this point in time? >> because it just happened i haven't seen the report of the investigation. the investigation is looking at that right now. i will let you know what specifically was the issue here. my suspicion is right now is confined to that specific location in dallas-fort worth but i have ordered a full review across -- i talked to the head of operations at gsa headquarters and set i want you to look across the whole system and tell me if we have issues like this elsewhere. and if we do i want to plan for how we are going to address those.

>> obviously that unfortunate event highlights the challenges you face. i wish you luck and look forward to having you work with this committee to improve airports and airlines safety in this country, thanks for being with us today. i yield back. >> let me just comment i think the gentleman for raising this issue. we would like a report from the gsa, it is very disturbing, i don't know how he got past security completely untouched we don't know anything about this individual either. i assume at this point in time what i can tell you is reports i he was distraught over his girlfriend heading out of town and wanted to stop her aunt it looked like a love gone wrong. we will see. i certainly will share with this committee our findings. thank you so much.

>> mr. keating is recognized. >> congratulations, admiral. thank you for your service with the coast guard, thank you for your comments here today, certainly stressing the accountability and doing the kind of work you did in review. is a difficult assignment but you are right on target. i just want to concentrate on one area which has been something brought up the last several years that represents i think a tremendous security issue regarding our airports and that is perimeter security dating back from the time i was a district attorney in massachusetts there was a case of a 15-year-old boy stowing away on a commercial airline from charlotte douglas, tragically losing his life in massachusetts when the landing gear went down. the fact that he penetrated that security aroused concern but we

follow that issue forward and just to put it in perspective from 2001-2011 there were 1,388 security breaches, 450 domestic airports. what is troubling, among other things, is the joint vulnerability assessments as the risks seem to be getting greater are going down. justin give you an idea, from 2004 to 2008, there were 60 of those assessments for 450 airports from 2011 to 2013 that was reduced to 30 assessments annually. . in 2014 only 12 of those assessments were covered. that means 97% of our nation's airports were not reviewed for security risks despite the fact we have had time and time again whether it is in chicago,

philadelphia, los angeles, charlotte douglas, york, these kind of breaches that have occurred and scores of them have been people with access to the runway in the airports and reviewing areas as well. if the 15 or 16-year-old can penetrate our security in one instance not even go detected after they reviewed it we are vulnerable. if they can do that and stowaway themselves, someone with a different motivation could still away and explosive on those airlines and not even risk their lives doing it. i hesitate to keep saying this publicly because i don't want to give people ideas but nothing has been done in terms of progress. that is why when i wrote you congratulating you and your assignment i was pleased to get a response, timely response back, appreciate that where you are identifying this as a priority. i want to ask you where you are going with that because it is

important. also the chairman and i when we were working on the subcommittee in homeland we had a field hearing and one thing that was so obvious to us was the fact that there is a huge jurisdictional issue at these airports and if things go wrong they point the fingers at each other. they are run by municipal airports organizations, run by authority, this jurisdiction battle is resolved even when the federal government comes in and says with these assessments there are things you have to clean up, dangers that are here, they don't do it and no one seems to make and do it. when you are doing that review the other thing we have to clear up is the jurisdictional issue and people from one airport to another are in the network. so you are only as good as your weakest link and we are not even assessing more than 3% of those

airports for safety. i want to give you a minute to try to expand upon what you wrote me about dealing with this issue and to try to deal also with the jurisdictional problem we have. >> you raised a number of important issues. let me start by saying i absolutely agree perimeter security is a concern and again i use my experience in the port environment to know that was a big challenge to understand first of all what is the perimeter and what does secure mean? the joint vulnerability assessment human joy and, as you know, those are additional multi agency assessments that are done in addition to the annual inspection that is done of a system, there's a tee is a regulatory requirement that we fulfilled by inspecting the regulated area of airport including the perimeter on an annual basis and the join vulnerability assessment designed to see what the on the

perimeter what beyond our jurisdiction might pose a risk to the airport those are important in concert someone to make sure the ratio of those is correct and look at that and also need to attend one of these inspections to find out what they consist of. anyone on this committee is welcome to join me when i do that and i make the offer to the committee to committee members because i am very interested in how we are doing that. it goes back to my days figuring out how to secure porche environments. will this -- walk me around and show me what a perimeter looks like. how do you secure that space? the jurisdictional issue is key. because you are right you can do the scarecrow and the wizard of oz thing and that everybody but yourself when the jurisdiction comes so i need to clearly understand first of all the extent of my authority to direct action and what is my extent to compel that action if i think it needs to be done. ideally you do that in a partnership and do that because it is in everyone's best

interests. from my perspective i think the airport, the airlines and others would find it of great benefit to ensure that nobody gets on that field the shouldn't be on that field. >> thank you. i am optimistic given your background, understanding perimeter issues the way you do the we will meet with some success and i look forward to working with you and if you the report myself and the committee with your progress on this we would deeply appreciate it. thank you. i yield back. >> thank you very much mr. chairman, congratulations to you, admiral. you are very encouraging and you have taken this assignment on with all high expectations and with respect to those that get the job on behalf of all of us so thank you. i have a couple little questions. number one has to do with the federal air marshal's service.

my understanding is there hasn't been a recruitments for 30 years so i'm wondering do you have any plan to address the attrition this might represent? are they still as necessary or is there something replacing the need for them? >> thank you for that question. we have a new director of a federal air marshal's service, director rob allison. i am really encouraged and enthusiastic about his approach because he is coming in with the very innovative impression across a range of missions for the federal air marshal. i believe there is still value in having the federal air marshal's service, performing valuable missions but those missions of change over time and director allison is addressing some of those changes. they work a wide variety of missions, not just the aviation mission most people are familiar

with but also they serving joint terrorism task forces and bring that unique credentialed law enforcement perspective in thinking about the transportation rolled to those worlds but that said we have not hired for a long time. we have a request in our budget to begin the hiring process. that is an aging workforce, 57 is mandatory retirement. we will see, the numbers, we will see 30% of the work force begins a joy out. you need to when you have a law enforcement agency of federal agency, you need to refresh it. we need to grow new people into it so i am hoping with our budget request will be met favorably and the we can begin to higher in to the patrician we are seeing and more importantly grow a new work force in to that as the mission changes over time.

>> thank you. another area of the struck me as i was preparing for today has to do with secure identification display area card the credentials and i understand on location individuals to have had access to those cards have done things which were illegal and were not acceptable so i was wondering what are your plans with regard to greater accountability of those cards? >> accountability is the key. as we were discussing earlier, what should be known and trusted population you give those cards to, they do get vetted for criminal background history and they get looked at continuously for potential nexus to terrorism. that said, we also know that even known and trusted populations of criminal activity that occurs and we have seen enough evidence of that over the

past year. one of the things that came out of the incidents or the arrests in atlanta last year for drug smuggling ring that was discovered was the request by the secretary of homeland aviation security advisory committee to take a hard look at the insider threat problem and use of badges and they came out with 28 recommendations as a result of that. we accept all 28 recommendations and we are working closely to implement those over time. in number of those were done immediately. accountability was one of the ones they studied immediately. i am very concerned about accountability, it doesn't surprise me people periodically lose their badges or misplaced some but there needs to be a process for immediate notification and shutting down of that badge and take whatever action is necessary in the event that it was done in a deliberate

or intentional manner. >> thank you. you have a big task ahead of you. i wish you the best of luck and i hope we can be helpful to you in what you need on our behalf, thank you thank you mr. chairman. >> let me close by saying the secretary chose the right man for the job. we have enjoyed our conversations in the past several days and the forward to working with you to improve both but safety of our airports and also making it more passenger friendly. committee members may have additional questions, pursuant to committee rules the record will be held open for ten days and without objection the committee stands adjourned. [inaudible conversations]

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