>> well i don't think about a legacy. i think about my life because i have had quite an unpredictable life and i thought a lot about that when i was writing the book i could never when i was growing up in cambridge illinois have imagined what i have had the great pleasure of experiencing, the challenges and difficulties along with the extraordinary experiences and opportunities and i think that really is at the core of what i care the most about both for my own family my future grandchild but also for our country i want young people particularly to i want young people particularly to feel as though the future may not be totally clear to you but

it looks like it is full of promise for you. that you have the opportunities because you have acquired and acacia because you are willing to work hard to be given your definition of the american dream. that's how i was raised, my mother who did live with us during the last ten years of her life was the product of a very abusive, neglectful home. but all of long her much more difficult life and childhood she would encounter people who showed kindness and were part of a broader community then just the family that let her down so she learned how to use her

education, even though she only graduated from high school, she was incredibly intelligent and kept taking college courses almost into her 80s. she was supported by the community and really nurtured by her belief in what this country meant and she instilled that in me and everyone that she touched. that meant that you had to take responsibility and have good work ethic but you are part of a community, it wasn't just b and the or being a member of the community it was be a member of the community. and then what i hope my grandchild when he or she comes into the world this fall, will have that same view of what america means and why america

matters. i had had such a perspective from outside those four years, i saw us once again, using our innovation and energy, and resilience to come back from a terrible economic crisis, that's still not fully resolved but i also saw so much disagreement and argument about what we're doing and what we are stood for, and what was the right decision. one one particular moment i read about in the book happened to me when i was in hong kong in july of 2011, it was one of the first serious efforts congress to default on our debt. i had a pre-existing speech and

there's all these agent business leaders there and they stood in line to say to me, what's happening in washington? what is going to go on there? is the united states really going to default on its debt? and i said oh no, course not we'll figure it out, will work our way through the politics of it and i the politics of it and i had my figures grasping my back. what i noticed on the first of occasion was bewilderment, confusion, like how can a great country to its to itself? it's not about future spending it's about paying debts that they've all voted for whether they agreed that or not it was voted for. have a government shutdown that prevented the president from going to an important meeting in asia where the president of china, president of putin in russia and the united states was absent and once again talking seriously about defaulting on the debt. i asked my team to give me the news coverage about what people were saying around the world particularly in asia, not

exclusively europe and latin america and it was no longer bewilderment, its contempt. how can you trust the americans you can they can even run a government anymore. one chinese official said it's time to d american eyes the world. let's move toward a different reserve currency besides the dollar. those are consequentially assessments of us. we cannot be strung up broad if we are not strong at home. we cannot continue to try to argue for and implement a rules-based border in the global economy where people have to play by those rules and where there are measures of accountability if they don't if we can to demonstrate that our economy is working for everybody. so the book is about my time as secretary of state but i carry with me all of my life experiences, so i'm not ready to stop and think about legacy because i want to keep thinking about what my life has meant to me and what my obligations are

to my grandchild and to everyone else. i'm going to do that through the work of the clinton foundation and other ways but it is, [applause]. >> it is a question and a responsibility for all of us, and a hard choice, very hard choice and it is a very hard choice but i think all of us have some hard choices about what kind of citizens were going to be, what were going to ask of our leaders but also what were going to ask of ourselves. what

has always made a strong strong as americans goes back to that incredibly astute observation of the tocqueville when he wandered around trying to understand what this country was about, he looked at how we organize ourselves and the democracy and the institutions that we are building and came down to the habits of our heart. i think we have to ask ourselves what it means today to be an american in the 21st century and what we expect from each other, what we expect from the government, from the businesses from the academic institutions because i am more optimistic and confident about what our potential is, but i know we have some hard choices to make to realize that. so thank you. [applause]. >> thank you so much, i'm sorry we don't have more time.

>> hi, thank you. >> presidential candidate hillary clinton will be campaigning in iowa tomorrow she is scheduled to arrive at the iowa state fair around nine am eastern time. watch our live road to the white house coverage on c-span and c-span.org. tonight on book tv in prime time, books by 2016 presidential candidates. next afterwards with mike huckabee on his book god, guns, book, gravy. then ben carson talks about his book, one nation.

and hillary clinton talks about her latest book called hard choices. >> so far this year the c-span cities tour along with our cable affiliates have visited over a dozen cities across the country revealing their unique history and literary life. this weekend we will showcase some of the places we have been in 2015. >> one day when i had have perhaps nine hours of flying, he told me to pull over on the tarmac when i landed and he said started getting out of the airplane and he told me it was time for me to take it around by myself. when i took off that time, when i got up to about 500 feet where i'm supposed to level off, when i started to push forward on that stick to level off it came off in my hand.

so i grab my seatbelt off and i left the throttle wide open and i leaned across the front seat and by the tips of my fingers i started pushing forward on the front stick which started lowering the nose of the airplane. so then i climbed over into the front seat but i am made a fairly smooth landing and he said, what the hell are you doing in the front seat? and i just pointed at to that stick which is like just a stick used to fly the airplane lift and it was on the floorboard. when he saw that he said, now you know you have the right stuff to be the pilot, and that was before john glenn had the

right stuff. >> and what happened on the morning of january 16, 195065 that cause the worst military aviation disaster in kansas history? >> the problem arises though that morning so it's about 11 degrees outside the men arrived at the base well before eight am, they prep the jet and get ready to go and at 9:27 a.m. they depart. they leave the runway with 31000 gallons of jet fuel. about three minutes into the flight the pilot calls mayday, and they was never heard from again. the plane crash at heard on january 16, 1965 and it was early that morning at 9:30 a.m. it went down about 20 of them pirate st., wichita, as the northeast and wichita, it crash landed in a section of wichita those typically referred to as the african-american community. 97% of the african americans were living living in the section of wichita so it goes down on the street and were talking about a 500 but how fire ball and galls the entire block. fourteen homes are destroyed,

fires are everywhere, destruction is everywhere and ultimately 30 lives are lost. i found there is no substantial history there, i just couldn't believe that 30 lives are taken and there's no memorial, and this is and remains the worst disaster in the states history and there's not moronic. >> watch our city store program saturday at noon is stirring on c-span twos book tv and sunday afternoon at two on american history tv on c-span three. >> next on afterwards former arkansas governor and presidential candidate mike huckabee. he set down to talk about america's political and collect cultural landscape in his book, god's, guns, books, and gravy. this program is an hour. >> governor huckabee i think it's worth pointing out the ironing sitting in new york

where i used to live in a i am here in washington where it may be, you will will live in just over a year? >> we'll see about that. i did say my book that there's really only one address and all of washington that i would have any interest in moving to and i think you probably know which one that one might be. >> and will talk about 2016 and a minute. it's it's god, guns, grits, and gravy explain the title. >> first of all it's not a recipe book of southern cuisine, i want to put everybody at ease if they say gi don't know what a great is, relax. here's the point of the book. there are three major cultural bubbles in america, new york, washington, and hollywood. from those three cultural bubbles dominate fashions, finance, government, government, politics, music, entertainment, movies, television, pretty much

all the things that set the american cultural table. my point of the book is there is a big disconnect between the people, the values, the attitudes, the lifestyles of people living in those three bubbles and the people who live out in what we often call the flyover country. all of that red area between the east and west coast that if you looked at an electoral map apart from the few urban centers is vastly red. in that great divide, that flyover country exists what i call the land of god, guns, grits, and gravy, and it's just a descriptive it's just a descriptive term. the book does two things, as is to all those folks out there and not in the land of gods, guns, grits, and gravy that you're not alone there a lot of folks like you and your okay. it says to the people who are living in the bubble, hey here's who you are, you don't really know is, you don't know what drives us, what

makes us think and what makes things important to us. so read the book maybe you'll find out these ghetto boys are so dumb after all. >> you describe the by between the bubble bills, those urban centers that you describe and the bubba hills in those flyover states. but surely don't think everyone in the bubble is bad and not every bubba is good, right quest marks what points are you trying to make and describe the country this way? >> clearly it's a generalization you can go to midtown manhattan and find people who are really bubbles the amway youth think, and feel. and you'll and you'll go to places like birmingham alabama and find liberals who believe it or not. so it's not that you can define any geographic area but and is generally true, the culture and lifestyles you're going to see in the bubbles are very different than out here in bubba bill.

the reason it became very stark to me is over the last years when i was traveling to new york to do my chauffeur fox, i came to realize, boy when i get off that plane and i'm in new york for two or three days a week, i'm in a different world than the world i live in when i get back to bubba bill. people would always say oh have you moved in your? and here's what i would say i would say i'm not moving to new york unless they let me duckhunting and central park. now that would shock the people in new york, they can they can imagine someone out there with a 12 gauge blowing ducks away and jackie onassis pond in central park that would get me in the headlights for sure. my point is to describe this completely different world to you. often when i when i came to new york i would say i think i didn't just go to new york i've landed on a different planet. it's just because there is a fast disconnect, and that's the word that comes to me to explain

why it is that these voting patterns and lifestyle patterns, cultural patterns if you will are so between the two areas. >> believe me if they allowed duckhunting in central park i would leave the state of virginia and i be right back there with you. talk about why this cultural divide is such a problem, is it just that two sides don't understand each other or is there a real threat to the country coming from this cultural divide and this disconnect is your clinic? >> i wouldn't say that there is a threat to the existence of this great republic because of the cultural difference but i do think the polarization is not necessarily healthy to building a strong kind of america where we are melting pot. we are increasingly less a melting pot and we are more,

several simmering pots on the same stove that each maintaining its own unique recipe. i. i think it's healthy to have differences come difference cultures, for different for example southern culture which i most familiar comfortable with, i don't wanna lose that. i don't want us to become so high mount denies that we morph into something that is unrecognizable but there needs to be a respect, mutual respect, an understanding, not a melting but in understanding and that's what i fear we don't have. i now many people look towards those of us in bubba bill with content, towards a sense of bewilderment and wonderment. what you mean you believe in god? what you mean you think you're to go to church and paying a dime out of every dollar and a tie to the church makes sense, that's crazy. why would why would anyone own a firearm? i've had discussions with conservative people in new york if you tell them you own firearms, they are just aghast

like they most want to jump at the table because they fear you're going to whip out a pistol and start shooting any minute. and you just want to say you don't really know is to you. let me make this observation, i think most of the people who live in bubba bill kinda do understand the people in the bubbles and here's why. because everything we see on television and in the movies is all about the bubbles. television, sitcoms, movies, are mostly depicted, whether their crime shows, our dr. shows or films, most of them, are about people who live in the bubbles. new york, washington, the in the bubbles. new york, washington, the political thrillers, our california lifestyle. so we kind of know what the people live like because we see it all the time, but how many times can you think of a television sitcom that treats religious people respectfully? that treats us as if we really are pretty normal and balance,

engaging people. were usually viewed as people who are mouth breathing knuckle, that are just so backward and are highly uneducated, incredibly anti-intellectual and therefore really not just up for the same level as the elite. that's that's what i'm speaking about. >> and this is what i love about our long friendship, nonbeliever, you're a baptist minister and yet we both have a really deep respect for the judeo-christian values that this country was forged on and for the american faith group and you call on people who can't put faith and family first the new american outcast. i think that's what you're getting at that hollywood, in particular, did pics people of faith in put family first as sort of backwards.

he would have to admit, i don't have to tell you this, fox news does really well, they have a lot of viewers over at fox news, conservative radio, conservative online media does really well and whether hollywood wants to admit it or not, conservative movies do well. so aren't conservative movies do well. so our conservative values pretty well represented? >> their sternly represented within the niche of the media that is targeted toward them. this is what i think baffles some of the folks in the elite. they looked down upon fox news and fox news viewers and how could that network be doing so well? i'll tell you why because it is scratching where the itch is. sometimes whether it's roma downey or mark burnett's magnificent drama of the bible, the got more viewers than

anything on cable, whether it's the extraordinary response to reality shows that her whole some like duck dynasty or 19 and counting, with my good friends the dugger's window very well from arkansas. that's ahead scratcher to a lot of people who live in the bubbles. they just can imagine who are the people who watch the stuff? but it's also true of films, i remember when i remember when the movie the blindside came out, it was a film that those of us who lived out there in bubba bill, we watch that and said yeah we get that, we relate to that we understand the language, the whole love of football, we get it all. there are a lot of people in hollywood who could just figure out how that movie was a huge success, it was a sleeper for them, it was an obvious choice for us. look at films look at films recently like heaven is for real, or or god's not dead, those are films that's really play to a niche, we understand it in bubba bill folks in the bubble not so much. i remembered. >> i remember when the chronicles of narnia was coming

out was to be made into a movie in hollywood predicted that nobody would see what see it, meanwhile it was somewhere near the top grossing film of the year. hollywood never seems to anticipate that conservatives like to see movies. you touched on this just earlier, ted talk about environmentalists, hypocrisy and what you call environmental extremism. >> i give an example of god's guns grits and gravy, god was heading towards europe and he's all about wanting to reduce co2 emissions but it turns out in all the green fee shows he's flying from his home over to, i think if luxembourg a couple of times a month and the output of co2 that he's expending, because of his jet travel, is like 100 times that of the average person. so when confronted about it this was his answer, he said well the

train trip would take 12 hours and that would be time away from my family, and a whole lot of time that i went be working. in other words, because it's, because it's not very efficient. and i'm thinking well isn't that why most of us fly? here's the point if you're going to be an environmentalist and you're going to say it's horrible to emit co2 than live like it. i use the example glenn reynolds of who is a great blogger, makes a statement about environmentalists to say i will believe it's a serious problem when the people say it's a serious problem act like it it's a serious problem. now kudos to people like ed begley junior and daryl hannah because they are environmentalist who actually practice it and live it. i've read about it ed begley is a very spartan life, a small footprint of energy output, he does apply very often, once in a

great while he may do a coastal trip but i respect that. whether i agree with that or not to me if you have a conviction and just live it out. if it's authentic we will see it in you, if it's not been don't tell me how to live, don't be don't be al gore and say that the oceans are about to overtake the coast and then build a 20,000 foot foot home right there on the coast. that's just i'm sorry that doesn't make sense to me. if you think your oceanfront property is about to wash into the sea why the heck would you build it? >> do republicans have a problem with science or is that just a perception and if so, how to weeks change that perception? >> no problem was science at all, science is a magnificent gift. i would say science occasionally comes to the place that kind catch up with god. i would ask you to say that way

but in my own way i would come at it let me give an example. for a long time people mold over the issue of life, as you know i am in on apologetic pro-life strong advocate that every person has intrinsic worth and value. it's not about abortion i think people miss it completely, i think there's no such thing as an expendable human being, i don't think any person is disposable. i value each person rather as a kid with down syndrome are the captain of the football team. having said that, we don't know when life begins, actually we do, biologically we know a lot more about it than we did 30 or 40 years ago. because of our math and of the genome because we realize with dna, 23 male, 23 female chromosomes come together and create a unique pattern it's

unique to that individual, and it happens at the moment of conception and at that particular moment, everything in that person's dna schedule has formed. now it will change obviously, size, shape, dimensions because that's what happens as new dna schedule forms, but we know when it happens. it is life at that moment, it is human life. that dna schedule will never be broccoli, it will never be a dolphin or a puppy, or a pony, it's only going to be a human being. my point is if now we look at science and say wow science is given us a real affirmation of when life begins, look at a sonogram, people who a few years ago didn't think it was a real baby until maybe the baby was four months in the womb, now at 12 weeks year see a sonogram and you see all my gosh i see a baby. i see human formed there, it's not just an animal made a blob

of protoplasm, i think science is a great three and a support it's medical, it's an incredible misperception to think that those of us conservatives, particularly those of us our faith oriented are again science, not at all. >> i have a six -week-old at home, so i can attest sena sonogram is indeed life-changing. >> it is. >> you talk about guns, another hot button issue, it's right there in the title of your book and you write quote clearly city slickers were more afraid of guns and criminals who might use them have a serious mental condition rending ring them incapable of critical thinking. you know i'm a gun owner and a gun advocate in all seriousness i think we have the facts and

statistics on our side, and on on the other side there's fear and emotion which is equally powerful. but when do you think are two sides are going to finally come together and have a real conversation about say loring gun crime because all we ever seem to do is shout at each other from our porches. >> i think that happens in large measure because if were going to have the serious conversation it's going to have to be built around facts, not feelings. i think one of the major themes of the book is that you can't build a culture based on i think, feel, i believe, those are wonderful subjective&th i s motivations but at some point you need to say what objectively is true and let's build it from

an objective truth rather than subjective i feel, i think, i believe. let's think let's think about the issue of gun violence, the horrible problem in our country, i'm not suggesting everybody in american auto go out and buy a gun and be armed and walk around waving it. i think some people should probably never own a gun but it's not because the government tells them they can't or some marietta city decide they can protect themselves, maybe they just don't want to go through the training to be competent and proficient with it. my point is, for many of us who grew up and again i use this god, guns, grits, gravy, guns have been a part of our lifestyle i owned a bb gun when i was i was five years ago, a 22 at age nine, then graduated up to a 20gauge shotgun. shotgun. in each of those things, here's what i learned as a kid.

first of all, i had such a respect for firearms because it was drilled into me that you never, ever consider a gun on mote it even if you know it is. if you can look down the barrel and see daylight you still treat that gun as if it's loaded. if you treat a gun like that you won't miss use it you won't even put a point a gun at someone secondly never shoot at something you plan to kill. it never occurred to me and all of my wife of owning a firearm that i would ever think to use it to go into my place of work or go to a school and murder a bunch people. in fact as a kid growing up, i know exactly where guns were in our house, i could've gone to them because we didn't have the wherewithal, we were fortunate enough or wealthy enough to own a gun safe, so the guns were accessible. but the reason i never touch those without my father's permission and supervision was

simple. i knew what a gun could do and i was absolutely certain what my dad would do to me if he ever caught me messing with those gone, the gun might hurt me, the my dad might've killed me that's a simple as it was. >> so what you see is the biggest threat to our second amendment rights, right now? >> i think the biggest threat is a lack of understanding the second amendment was never intended to protect people to go hunting. i'm a hunter, but the purpose of the second amendment was not the recreation of sport. i know that in the year 2015 this is going to sound almost bizarre, the founding fathers wrote the second amendment so that we would always be able to protect the first amendment.

the right of our basic fundamental aspects of liberty. they knew knew the one thing that would always provide the people with the dignity of their liberty and the ability to keep it is if they could fend off an attack against it. so if we go back to the history of the second amendment and the purpose for which it was there, it was so that people would be able to protect their families, their property, their selves, and their liberty from anyone who would ever try to take it. that's why we had it and it sacred, we should respect it, and treated with a great sense of reverence. >> in god's, guns, grits, gravy you go through rules for reformers and i want to walk through a few of those for viewers. you suggest that we need term limits, why is that important to question mark. >> because because when people get into public office if they

think they can make a career out of this, then every decision they make is based on how this will affect my next election, how will this affect my career? if they knew when they go in that there is a terminal departure point for their tenure in office, they're going to make very different decisions. let me say to you i was for term limits before i was first elected for office. i ran leading in term limits proposing it. most people who say that before they get elected, as soon as they get elected when they been in office for a few years they say oh no were we don't need term limits. why one of those guys 25 years after believing term limits is a great a great idea and having served in office, a long time as governor, ten and a half years and been involved in politics at both ends of that tenure, believe in it more now than i ever have. i think we ought to have term limits which we are due to the executive branch, i think we should have them for the legislative plant branch and one

of the things i suggest in the book is we should have them for the judicial branch. people going on the judicial bench should not believe this is going to be a lifetime appointment that forever relieves them from ever having to worry about the decisions they make. i'm not suggesting that we elect the judges, play minutes find but appointment for life is absurd. people should not feel that anything they do in the service of the country is a career, something they can live for the rest of their lives off of. >> next as u.k. campaign financing you say prohibit nothing, disclose everything, what kind of changes would you make? >> everything we have ever done to try to improve campaign finances made it worse. because here's the thing, once you start trying to restrict and tell people what they can't do, they'll find other ways to do it that's within the context of the law from another mechanism. so look at the presidential process now, it's out of

control. if your candidate you raise money at $2700 a pop. that's the a pop. that's the most you can take from somebody $2700. that sounds dollars. that sounds like a lot of money to some people but when you're talking about a campaign that has to raise upwards of $1 billion, that's a lot of phone calls and a lot of events. now enter the world of the super pack, in a super pack the super pack and take on limited amount of money from corporation or from an individual, which by the way the federal candidate can only take from an individual, if someone wants to get a super pack, 15 to $50 million they can do it from one person. that super pack is totally disconnected from the candidate which means the message the super pack puts out may be hurtful to the candidate is trying to help but the candidate can go and say and say stop

running that ad from this one instead because then both of them go to jail, that's insane. we should say is look you want to give $50 million to someone running for president, write the check but in were all going to know about it within ten minutes because it will be posted on the internet for all the world to see so you're not prohibited but we're going to disclose everything. one of the things killing politics today are that people count now in the super pack there is disclosure but there are other forms and some mechanisms like c4's and other organizations that don't have to disclose donors. so i could i could run millions of ads attacking somebody in the donors who gave that money will never know who they are. i think those here's what i say in the book they're cowards, they don't have the guts to run for office but they'll write a check and attack someone through some dark operation and we need to end it all.

say look were going to disclose everything if you want to give money and advocate your message find have the guts to stand up and be accounted for and ideally give it to someone who's willing to bill the candidate and put his name on the balance device message. >> was talk about poverty you say is a career for those who administer the programs and who would be put out of business if they are actually successful at eradicating poverty. now pres. obama and and republicans looking ahead at 2016 are finally talking about poverty, what would you do to end poverty or reduce poverty in the country question what. >> one of the things i was shocked most americans is that if you took the amount of money that a person in poverty, could maybe accumulate as a result of many different programs that are administrated, everything from food stamps to rent assistant, to educational assistant, to

medicaid to medicaid and on and on, wic, it is not completely out of the realm of reason that a mother with two or three children would have the equivalent of 50 or $60,000 per year and year in combined benefits. it would be much simpler, to simply write her a check for that amount of money rather than have all of these programs and higher all these bureaucrats and run through all these different processes. now before some of your viewers go out of control i'm not suggesting we write everybody in poverty a check for $50,000 a lot of this is just to cut out the middleman. let's do the things that will help people, i don't begrudge helping people who are poor, in fact i suffer suffer stamina some of these programs are vital here's how they ought to operate, instead of putting people on them and punishing them for getting off meaning that there is an earning threshold and once you cross the threshold you lose all the benefit, it should be administered so you get the

benefits as a temporary stop you have to help make the next rung on the ladder. as you make it, rather than penalize you and take you completely of medicaid, leaving your, leaving your children expose with no coverage, were leaving you with no capacity to pay her rent, make it so that every step you take lets you move ahead rather than behind. don't cut off all the benefits, make sure whatever your weaned off of still leaves off the leaves you little bit of progress as you move forward. then you have an incentive to do better, and incentive to achieve more, to be better educated, to learn new job skills, we should never punish people for the productivity, never. we should reward them for the productivity and instead we punish them. all of these reforms. >> all of these are starting to sound up like a campaign platforms let's talk about that.

>> obviously a very serious about it i've been amused a little bit, i've read a little bit that i love fox news so i could sell my new book and i think it really? i that stupid to think that i would would leave an incredibly good job, that paid me very generously and that i loved, just so i could push a few books because honestly i could've done that and stayed at fox and it would've been a much more comfortable atmosphere. i walked away from a wonderful position and a terrific place to be with great people because i am sears lee at running for president. so i couldn't continue doing the television show and have the kind of genuine, authentic, forthright conversations that i have to have to have with people and say if i run will you help me, will you support me? so that's why the severance and

over the next couple of months i will make the final decision but obviously, the decisions i have already made were not made anticipating that i would forgo a presidential race in 2016. how's that for being evasive question marks. >> okay so check in and a couple months i guess question mark. >> yeah i guess my timeframe is probably sometime in the spring later than earlier, it won't be before april on pretty positive of that. beyond that, when it is i don't know but that's always been my timeframe and i've never change that. >> will let's assume you do run, let's walk through some of the issues you will come front as a candidate and later as president. one of the biggest issues candidates will face this year and next year will be the threat of islamic extremism that we are all see unfold in europe and unfortunately we have seen here in the united states, what would you do about al qaeda, about

isis and about the growing threat of islamic extremism around the world? >> first thing is to identify with the problem is, we have an administration that read pieces to call it islamic terrorism. when you call it workplace violence, when you say that what happened at little rock and the recruiting station, who is killed by an islamic jihadist was trained in yemen, if you say that is just a state crime, a murder at that has not been thing to do with terrorism, it's hard to defeat the enemy if you don't even know who it is. the first the first dream thing is recognize that radical islamic jihad is the this religious fanaticism that is resulted in people who truly believe there purpose on god's earth is to kill everybody who doesn't agree with them, that you cannot negotiate with that. this is on like anywhere we have ever fought before because, in a traditional where your fighting a geopolitical force that have

boundaries that may want to extend those boundaries so the war may be over a piece of realistic. you can negotiate the real estate you may come to a conclusion, you may have to defeat the enemy and tell him he can't have anything beyond his borders you may have to take his borders away but the point is you know what the endgame is. when you have a force, and their endgame is the annihilation of everyone they consider to be a religious infidel, there is no negotiation. there's nothing to negotiate. their view is you die, so our view has to be no you die. i know it sounds pretty blunt. >> would you suggest or ask if we had boots on the ground in places like syria or in yemen, what's your solution on form policy standpoint? >> will boots on the ground in some places may be necessary if

we have a specific target that we are going to attack. just then that were going to put both on the ground all over the world, we can't do that were not equipped for, we don't have the stamina for that or the will for that, what we do have to do is to say to many of the people in the rest of the world, look were tired of our boots being the only one making a footprint. often were making footprints in your part of the world and frankly, were not going to keep spilling american blood for the lives of saudis and the uae, if you want to keep your kingdoms then you're going to have to fight for it. you need need to calm what they are and if you're not willing to do that when the dark clouds come upon you, good luck, you're on your own. we need to find people in the middle east who are true allies, we have one in israel, we treated them dismally, i'm ashamed and embarrassed about how we treated the one true alley we had, but we have an ally in president of egypt.

but we have insulted him and pushed him into the arms of vladimir putin and i think that's a relationship that could be restored with a president who understood the value of a president like the president of egypt, the king of jordan is another natural ally. they don't want radicalization, we, we have the opportunity to build something different but you can't do it when you're showing disrespect to your friends like israel and egypt. kissing up and bringing hugs and kisses to the iranians which we can never trust. >> let's talk about some social issues. you said before that if republicans want to lose a guy like you they can advocate the issue of gay marriage. now i can make a conservative case for gay marriage that marriage is a stabilizing stabilizing institution but i can also make a political case for gay

marriage, not that conservatives need to support gay marriage but maybe loosen their opposition and that reason, our millennial's. 80 million potential voters, the biggest generation in history and they are largely in support of gay rights, is that a problem for you both in terms of running for president and in terms of holding firm on to issue and i know you're very passionate about. >> i think there's a big difference between gay rights and gay marriage. gay-rights would say no person could be penalized because they are gay from job, from being able to visit where they want, live where they want, i have no problem with the kind of accommodation that used to be the centerpiece of the discussion and making sure that there are visitation rights, all sorts of aspects that used to be the focus around civil union.

look, marriage either mean something or it doesn't. historically, it is meant a man and a woman form a relationship in which they are going to be committed to each other, as partners for life, a monogamous relationship not having many partners, but one. from that partnership they would biologically produce the next generation and then train that generation to be the replacement. that the simplest explanation. now course we have adoption in all different kinds of ways in which the next generation can be trained, but marriage has always meant that. my position on marriage by the way, is the exact position that brock obama had in 2008. when he was talking to rick warren's, in august of 2008 and rick warren asked him about same-sex marriage is what he said is that i believe marriage

is between a man and a woman and i don't believe it should be other things because and use this term because as a christian i believe god is in the mix. now brock obama lived leave that in 2008 as did hillary clinton and joe biden, as did every democratic presidential candidate that i know of. here's my point, if brock obama had set i believe that marriage is between a man and woman because that's over capable of feeling and doing as a society that i would have granted him the license to change his mind. that's not what he said, he said it was because he was a christian. here's my conclusion, one of three things had to have happen. brock obama was line in 2008, he was lying to us when he's all for same-sex marriage or the bible got rewritten written. and he was the only one of got the new version. so tell me what other option is there, that's my point, i don't feel like my you is all that crazier out there, it's the same

view that's been held and it's the view of the president himself has held. >> but we've seen a lot of change since 2008, now you can be a democrat, you can or longer be a democrat who does not support a marriage, they all seem to have evolved on that issue and even some republicans have come out in support of gay marriage. do you think you can become president of the united states without agreed on that issue considering how large a voting group the millennial generation will be? >> i think people are going to vote for the next president based on is he going to bring jobs, is he going to bring a new sense of optimism about america, will will you make this country safer? will he truly understand the threat we face internationally and globally? will you do a better job protecting us? will he understand what it is to be in

the struggling class and to try to build an economy that works for people like that? i'm sorry i just don't believe that the deal killer is going to be the position on marriage. i'll give a couple of examples, let me go back to 1980. ronald reagan ran as a pro-life candidate when it was very popular to be pro-life and people said he committed never be elected if he holds that view, guess what he was because people that elect him because he was against that. i believe this, ultimately what voters look for his authenticity. what voters are gonna know that i'm a person who believes in a biblical definition of marriage, i believe what mother teresa believed, billy graham, billy graham, the pope, and brock obama before 2008 so i'm not really way out there, i don't believe that marriage ought to be people and their animals, i don't have some crazy view of marriage i have of you that's

pretty well-established in history, and it has a long really not just religious history but also social and political tradition. i don't think that's a deal killer i think people said don't agree with him i gay marriage but i think mike huckabee really believes that. >> will someone who has recently discussed maybe there on the halfback and the ring is met ron mitt romney, should he run for president the third time question mark. >> well if he wants to it's a free country, so i went say hey you've had your shot that's it. if he thinks he can make another go of it and be successful this time after two other times when he wasn't, then he has every right to give it his best shot. i'll be focused upon whether i should run, what will rather

then if mitt romney should. now. >> now jeb bush runs to think america is ready for another bush in the white house? >> why guess the voters will make that decision and you know jeb is a good friend of mine, we served together a good bit of the time, we are governors at the same time. i came into and a half years before he came into office but we've been served at least eight of my ten 1/2 years as contemporary governors. he's a good governor, and a good guy. in a way it's like saying it's unfair that he has this great platform but then he might argue that it's unfair that he is being penalized because of his last name and his background because he can help ed that he was biologically born into the bush family. >> well and you also have a number of folks in the house and senate, rand paul, marco rubio, maybe ted cruz who are discussed

as possible candidates. do you think someone coming out of this congress which is much aligned in washington, and probably dysfunctional do you think someone coming out of this congress could get elected president right now? >> if someone is seriously contemplating running i would say i should hope they couldn't that would limit a lot of the competition wouldn't it. i think he'd be a better president, whether he has a better better chance of i don't know, here's why if you have been a governor you have managed microcosm of the federal government. you have actually let it, you've been responsible for, you've, you've served and that executive position in every agency that exists at the federal level you have a corresponding agency at the state level and you understand the hope you'll the play. by the way unlike what some people think, will governors have a great understanding of domestic

policy, they don't know much about the world, i would really challenge that because as a governor, one travels all over the world's, and trade deals and in partnerships, we have a we have a global economy because were often reminded. governors who have multinational companies within their state to business all over the world. they can find a governor who hasn't traveled around the globe and he's dealing man-to-man or manta woman with ceos and heads of state, not just in having a conversation or being part of a study group, but actually making deals, and negotiating, i think that's a great level of experience to take to the president. >> yes. i think the fact that there are so many potential contenders here speaks volumes about the idea of running against someone like hillary clinton. it doesn't sound like anybody's all that intimidated by her, do you find her intimidating as a potential

opponent if you run? >> i think everyone would be an intimidating opponent. the only way to really run is either on opposed or scared. those are two options you have is a candidate so i don't expect any republicans will run unopposed, we better run scared. if i were to be fortunate enough to get the nomination, i would have great respect for hillary clinton's candidacy comedy i don't think she have the connective qualities that her husband has. she's she's more the policy walk, the ideologue, that incredible connector that bill clinton is. i've i've known them both for long time i don't think there's anybody in the republican side who might run for president who would have a better understanding of the cleanse than i would and maybe understand the background and so on. even having said that,

hillary, hillary clinton is a rock star within the democratic party but it's interesting that while all the democrats expect her to run moc they will support her, i'm not convinced, i'm not convinced that she will pull the trigger when she has to and run. probably will but maybe not, and if she does, i don't think it's a foregone conclusion foregone conclusion that she's the nominee or certainly not that she's elected president. i don't thing think she will be elected president. let me say why i think when people say it's inevitable, it was inevitable for her to be the nominee in 2008 and thousand eight and this relatively on known upstart junior senator with concert zero legislation in his career, met name drew barack obama came up and beat her.

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