the product out on the field for what it is. and if they chose to go to class and eventually get a degree in whatever subject matter, fine. but i think that is where it is. to me, mightily -- minor leagues for professional teams, they should be paid. they are >> host: dave jamieson the system that he described is that possible in this environment? >> guest: a lot of people share the callers perspective. a lot of people now are increasingly feeling like this idea of amateurs amend college sports is kind of a sham especially when you're talking about college football and basketball with billions of dollars of revenue coming in to new schools but let's face it

this is a lot of work that goes into putting your football team together. and a lot of people now are feeling like it's kind of ridiculous to argue that when you watch a big old game that these players are there primarily to go to class. i think we can all agree that when you are playing football for alabama on a huge stage were would probably brought you there is playing football, not an economics major, so, this union effort is good for now but their other legal things going on where we may end up closer to the system like the caller described. their antitrust suits going on and a lot of other legal avenues where eventually this could open the door up to some kind of thing. >> host: let's put numbers to the big-time revenues we have been talking about specifically for the top college football programs in this country. here is a selected look at their

revenue for 2013 and 2014. university of texas $113 million in revenue and a season alabama 95 million, michigan 91 million lsu 88 million notre dame 81 million auburn 75 million tennessee 70 million. those are the 2013 and 2014 numbers there. we are speaking with dave jamieson with "the huffington post" a labor reporter about the unionization effort. a special line if you are a current or former college athlete 2027488003 other lies republicans democrats and independents line and independence line dan is waiting in massachusetts. dan go ahead. >> caller: yes, i was curious to know when players enter schools from a high school setting baquette not paid but

they get tuition paid for their abilities. some are free scholarships for the whole term that they are there and some get small dollar amounts for the term that they are there. how does that play into being unionized in the sense that some kids on some high school gets a full scholarship which means they are kind of paying his tuition to play because they feel he is good but what about the average kid that they go in and they give a small piece of the pie. he sits the bench. so my follow-up question is when they get unionized how does all that play into who gets what as a player? and i'm just throwing numbers out. do they all get 3000 a week because they play in sports and

the guy that's writing the bench is being paid less or the same as someone who is unbelievable, who is going to have a pro career. i have toys to play football and i always say to them you are one in the 300 that are going to get picked in the draft to go out to play professional ball even if you go to college? the answer is probably no, so i look at this and i say to be unionized i'm not sure that's the way to go. i would like to call them person prior to myself coming on, they have to be there for an education and i think they -- there should be standards that are held and i think it should be public with the standards are and how they are progressing through colleges instead of going there and not going to class or being rifled through because he's an unbelievable receiver. russ thank you for the call from massachusetts.

he he brings up a couple of hypotheticals about would work under unionized system. can you talk about that or do know the answer? >> guest: the short answer is we don't know because we are not there yet so it's very hard to say but he did ring up an interesting dynamic. one thing a union contract tends to bring whether you're talking about a factory or warehouse or a college football team as there tends to be some kind of pay parity. if there were a union contract in place he would not have individual players bargaining for salaries with their teams because they'd all be under contract. so there would be probably some sort of, it would probably -- there would be equity, equitable within certain teams. that's very different from a full-blown free market that a lot of people want to see in college football like this antitrust case that jenkins is now moving forward. basically they are saying that it's illegal to be tapping

payment at a scholarship under the current system. they are saying that the market should be fully wide-open cello player would get what they are worth on the free market. that's very different from what you would see under union contract. >> host: let's go to that line for current or former college athletes. bernard is waiting on that line st. petersburg florida. bernard, go ahead. >> caller: yes i want to say i agree very much with the gentleman in the schools trying to unionize. i was a former basketball player in college and there shouldn't be a stipend or some of these athletes. you have to go to college and you have to be up early in the morning at 5 a.m. in the morning to go to class to get your your practice and have been enough to go to class and after class you have to come back to practice and then you are required to make sure that you get some kind of a time to study. these guys are working not just harder but all day and trying to graduate so what i'm saying is

you can't work, he don't get any kind of money especially some of these athletes whose families can't help them with the cost and the sea millions and millions of dollars being paid to the coaches where the coaches if they want to change schools they could lose to another school without being criminalized. you can do that. you have to sit out the year if you want to choose so i'm just saying what the multiple millions of billions of dollars being guarded through spores and these athletes just can't make any kind of money to go out to clubs if they want to have a life after college classrooms to , the school should find some kind of the way. >> host: bernard cannot ask you to respond to a quagmire on twitter who is looking at this discussion and saying this is positively ridiculous. next these athletes will demand a's pension plan and stock option. >> caller: well it's not about

a salary. it's about having something for these athletes. just think about the dash who said they couldn't get any kind of money so they didn't have any money to go out to a club. they want to have some type of life. not stock options or anything that i know that i couldn't even take a ride with a coach. i was up in tennessee and i couldn't even ride with a coach who was living in florida because they penalize the school or penalize me. i would have been kicked out of the school so what i'm saying is there so much hypocrisy not be able to give these athletes some type of a stipend. not a salary but something from the millions of dollars that they bring in. even those asem on the bench that the chairman said they do practice. they have to practice and do the same thing as the top athlete as they say but as an athlete i

didn't look at any one is a lower class. if i were to receive everybody should receive the same. >> host: thank you for the call and sharing your experience. dave jamieson i will let you jump in. >> guest: model of the changed since your experience. a lot of work goes into putting your season together. one thing that was interesting about the case is that it pulled the veil back on what kind of a day today is like her students, student athletes. the quarterback who basically lead this effort gave detailed testimony about how much work he put into the season, doing homework on the bus. he then said he was discouraged from pursuing pre-med which is what he wanted to do and these were all part and parcel of the argument that we are performing work here and a scholarship that

you are giving us constitutes a form of payment and therefore we are employees. i think a lot of athletes do feel similar to bernard and that let's face it most of these players i don't know bernard he went on to play pro-ball come he didn't bring that up so i'm guessing you didn't. the vast majority of these athletes don't end up playing big-time ball and making lots of money. >> host: a tweet from wreck watching the segment by system for professional sports people in the officers are getting rich, coaches universities and presidents and a question for you what are the limits of health care benefits for college players who are injured? >> guest: it sort of depends now on the conference and the school. in general at a lot of places you can end up on the hook for injuries after-the-fact if you got hurt by playing during school. down the road you could still be on the hook are paying for that

if you have an injury. >> host: let's go to one-eyed awaiting in cincinnati ohio, line for republicans. good morning. >> caller: good morning to you and i have a few comments in relation to quagmire. i wanted to say. [inaudible] one thing i have not heard him mention that ohio state people talk about cincinnati is the top grossing schools. how many of those schools are -- schools the number two did he do his homework to find out how much of that money that is generated by the football team goes back into the general general fund of the universities to support other things other than athletics? this is very important because here in ohio it seems like since

its inception ohio state football is not funded by the state of ohio by 1 penny. the stadium was not built -- it was billed in 1922 by the citizens of ohio. so do back you up on an argument that a former caller made these young men are not only supporting their athletics departments, but at least in the last recession they also allowed these universities to keep academics departments afloat and because of that basically gave some consideration. >> host: i want someone to answer some of the questions you brought up but you said the recession did you want to say what it is? >> caller: i'm a democrat, they put me on the wrong line.

>> guest: wanita brings up a good point that these programs especially when you're talking about foot and basketball are generating enormous amounts of money for the schools especially through television rights. that money helps the schools operate. that's the underlying case that lawyers are making whether you should be able to unionize or why there should be some sort of free-market to allow for salaries and ideas that they are performing work and they are generating enormous amounts of revenue for their schools that help her schools operate in so many people feel the same way you do that is kind of ridiculous to pretend otherwise that these athletes are not really playing an integral role in helping their schools operate. >> host: let's go to jay waiting in charleston south carolina. line for democrats. >> caller: how are you doing?

how is everybody doing? >> host: great, go ahead. >> caller: this is such a healthy conversation. i applaud c-span and this platform so we can discuss these things. i feel like yes absolutely these college players should be paid. i was looking at the revenues of the top schools and one of the questions is what percentage should they be making? cheval for student athletes, is it going to be a base of 10% of the annual income? is at 15% and i definitely have to agree, the more blue-chip athletes should get paid a higher percentage as well because you know just like the big-name athletes they are the ones that put the books in the seat. actually i feel that's a sub topic here. i feel like a major topic the

elephant in the room is this is just one flaw that we see in the whole college process. i mean, if you want to look at how many people have student loans prepare a member of the first call are talking about a form of slavery. you could say that in a sense but i feel like all the students that are held duty-bound to all of this revenue in the billions is also something to look at. >> host: i want to give dave jamieson a chance to respond. there's a tweet on the subject you were just talking about jay. irish eyes is full of scholarship is an payment enough. others shouldn't go to lifetime debt partially to support sports that they don't play. dave jamieson. >> guest: one big question about all of this in which the caller highlighted is what would it look like if colleges were going to end up paying athletes? would it require a certain school in certain team in

getting the same wager would it be a full-blown free-market where the blue-chip athletes and the most valuable one would get a much larger share of the money? is hard to say right now what this would look like. one thing that the ncaa one of their arguments in pushing back is it the created something like a free-market that it would force schools to get rid of their underperforming programs and as a lawyer said to me last week you know someone on the swim team works just as hard as somebody on the football team at a big-name school and i think that's entirely true. you would get into issues of fairness and title ix issues and all sorts of questions. >> host: the story in "huffington post" northwestern players will get a union but the fight doesn't end there. dave jamieson one of the reporters on the story and check it out on huffingtonpost.com or

follow dave jamieson on twitter at jamieson. appreciate your time here in "washington journal." >> guest: thanks for having me. the u.n. security council today held its first-ever meeting on. after that meeting the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powers spoke with reporters about what she called a quote small but historic step.

>> hello everybody. it's a pleasure to be here with -- that spoke to the first-ever meeting of the security council on lgbtq i can issues. i want to say a few words and then open it up for questions. feel free to direct your questions to her. it was a very moving meeting. the attendance was i would say excellent and cross-regional. the testimonies that the gentleman went by the saddam of odd numb left people grip 10 moves. everybody has read about what isil and others are doing to lbg lbg -- lgbtq put on the world but it's an entirely different thing to your testimony. while others spoke including members of the security council of other member states photos

also were projected that depicted what isil is doing to lgbtq are suppose at those suspected of being lgbtq so what ever anybody was tempted to drift away or have their attention go elsewhere the gut wrenching photos of what is being done is a very real threat posed even as we sat in this meeting today and territory where isil is dominant. the last thing i would say it's just while some of the emphasis was on isil particularly given the testimony of the witnesses, there was widespread recognition among those who speak that this is not an issue by any means confined to isil. yes it is true that isil has made it common practice it seems to target lgbtq or so and that

is true also around the world very far from where isil dominates. you have countries that have criminalized lgbtq at us. you have societies that are every bit as unwelcoming as they were 20 or 30 years ago communities in that regard but today's meeting is a sign that this issue is getting injected into the mainstream at the united nations. 70 years into the un's history the last five years have seen some very important miles don't here at the united nations. jessica jessica stern said that they lgbt organization is a member, the leader of an organization that for very long time couldn't even get accredited to the united nations and we and the number of other countries fought for that

accreditation, had that accreditation had not been achieved she wouldn't have even been allowed into the meeting as an ngo. now she is sharing systematic data and analysis of this by mom annan and this problem all around the world. we had never before five years ago at a resolution that even acknowledge they lgbt rights as human rights. that resolution passed and 2011 in the second human rights council resolution in a report that was just issued in june of this year documenting the fate of lgbt or since, that plight of lgbt or surround the world again we are getting this issue into the dna of the united nations but until today the security council had never broached this topic so represents a small but historic step. with that we will put it up for questions. >> ambassador how are you going

to address this issue especially in the middle east and a more formal way within the united nations special in the security council? thank you. >> again today was an important step. it's an informal meeting of the security council but in seven years no such meeting had happened before and we heard most of the countries who spoke made a point of noting how important it was that this conversation continued. ngos were present in the meeting. of course we would have also open to meeting up to the press but for the issues of security related to one of our witnesses and so again the precaution was taken to keep television cameras , and the press out of the meeting. within the general assembly with only i think was back in 2010

you might recall the general assembly passed a resolution in which sexual orientation was initially omitted from the general assembly resolution, banning extra-judicial killing on a number of grounds in the general assembly voted to take out references of sexual orientation. a number of other countries fought to get a pack -- put back in. i was not long ago and that was deemed one of the first successes of integrating this issue. already mentioned the two resolutions that have been passed by the human rights council. we just have to continue to create dedicated spaces and venues for conversations like the one we just had raising awareness, showing lgbt ball where those being persecuted that the u.n. cares, the security council cares and the general council cares. that's extremely important but also each of us as government have a responsibility to inject the treatment of lgbt's's and

into our bilateral bilateral relationships as well. i would note that i'm very proud that president obama in 2011 issued a presidential memorandum giving direction to all agencies in the u.s. government to inject lgbt writes into our foreign policy. that needs in terms of asylum and refugee education which is now being factored and in terms of who would gain asylum in this country. in terms of funding for human rights defenders and those who might defend any individual who is actually being, the status is being criminalized in some way rapid response so we can assist and provide material support to those in need and one of president obama's was inject this into a multilateral diplomacy which is what we have been doing. so again we know how far we have to go and we know how long the road is but i think if you look back at at where we were five or

10 years ago already it's been integrated. secretary kerry and i attended ministerial said the u.n. general assembly last year in the year before it. nothing like that it happened before so again making sure the physical security but also the dignity of lgbt or since is very much part of our agenda here and a big priority for the united states. >> assemblywoman on this particular issue of islamic state attacks on in iraq and syria and elsewhere given the two members of the security council didn't show up today at this meeting what more can the council do on this particular issue and on another subject not based on the negotiations of -- draft? >> i think on south sudan crisis that negotiations are ongoing and more important i think at

this moment to focus on the president and his government in ensuring that they sign on to an agreement that the entire world has rallied around. in terms of what else the security council can do, i think venues like this one are available to us proving that it can be done. and it can secure widespread attendance. if witnesses are willing to come forward and tell their stories and we can look at venues like this one again. i think that publicizing also, the june report by the human rights council is extremely important because that's the first time the u.n., the second time the u.n. has documents again the status of the state of the world for lgbt or since so ensuring the security councilmembers give that report, the welfare of those individuals left and amplify that reporter

think is really important. but also you know when we are talking about a particular country we often each of us talk about human rights or the crisis faced by women and girls in conflict. we need to look, and make sure our embassies and the united nations are looking to see also how lgbt or since her being treated in particular conflict areas. isil is going to come up again and many security council meetings rest assured. when it comes up it's imperative that in addition to talking about the threat that isil poses to christians the yazidis to shia to nacl for anybody who doesn't share the work and ideology to cultural artifacts of the kind that have been destroyed monstrously here in the last couple of days, alongside that it is essential that the fate of lgbt or's and also being raised and discussed and we will work with our council partners and colleagues

to ensure that it isn't just united states raising it. you can see chile's strong leadership role and the turnout i think was actually quite strong and the statements were strong from those who came. >> thank you very much. madam ambassador, in terms of actually getting isil to stop this these powerful killings and attacks is the answer really to go after isil and what is actually being done to go after them particularly in an area where we know what's happening in iraq? i wonder if supi could talk about what would your reaction be to more presentation? did you feel you made it dense? well-wisher big message to these

ambassadors? >> i will speak replay but i'm very glad that you asked supi a question because he is the most valuable person here to hear from on all these matters. on isil of course we are waging along with 60 coalition partners or perhaps more a sustained multifaceted struggle to defeat this terrific organization. i don't think anybody thinks that you can condense baghdadi to be less hateful and violent. ..

>> that's the foreign terrorist fighting -- financing, excuse me t need to ensure that the borders are sealed and data being shared across boundaries. we had the session not long ago with secretary jay johnson was in the chair if the united states. public