about this. you talk to someone in the 20s y and they absolutely understandg. it. >> we go to harvey and for a question. >> i met you in the early 60s when he first ran for office. it's a pleasure speaking with you. this gig economy you're speakins of, is this what you term a faif false economy, is this an contrt economy that is paying their fair share of taxes? are they actually contributing the countrybeing of you mentioned a second service about kelly service and the product they make i work for them. i

i'm not a great favor of burning fossil fuels. >> harvey am going to have to firms arsponse. guest: i think many of theseut firms are the first step into paying your fair share and filing a 1099 form which allows you to take out your fica in your medicare payments. some of these firms are saying they are not employers at all, they are connectors between an individual and someone who is paying indirectly. i'm. i'm not sure i fully buy that argument. i have found in my conversation they want to do the rightokav t, they started to add for example a million dollars of liability

on their apartment for those who rent them out. they want to get the benefits, we want to urge that a long,. >> we are going to break away from the last minute of the "washington journal" and take you live it to george washington university, here in washington. just a moment away from a panel of pollsters, republicans and and democrats looking at the 2016 election. the moderator is chuck todd. live coverage now on c-span2. >> this year celebrating the silver anniversary. our university launched its first journalism program in 1938 and is the first university to offer a degree in political

communication. in 1991 the university founded the national center for communication study and five years after that, renamed that organization the school of media public affairs. since that time, as mpa has become one of the premier schools in communication. it remains at the forefront of innovated initiative such as the center for innovative media and digital communications. it offers rigorous programs that bring together experiences with expertise that resides in washington community. it promotes our university's mission of educating and preparing the next generation of citizen leaders. among other things that runs a protocol planet forward, and, an internet -based project around sustainable initiatives run the country in the world. it is my pleasure to introduce

our host, frank says no. he is an award winning journalist and creator of planet forward. he is a cnn anchor and washington bureau chief. he is a neighbor of ours, someone we have gotten to know well both professionally and personally. he is an extra in her individual who has managed to bring together wonderful events such as this one. please join me in welcoming mr. says no. >> thank you for that lovely introduction and for everything that you have done for the george washington university. [applause]. welcome to the jack martin auditorium at george washington

university and the most important city of the world. we are going to hear some remarkable conversations about some truly remarkable thing this evening was truly remarkable people. this is our first event of the year and we are kicking it off in style with an absolutely sold-out house which i am delighted to see. how many students are in the writing? i am more delighted to see. and with c-span which i'm even more delighted to see. so i am very delighted here this evening. we are presenting this program this morning in true collaborative spirit, with them college democrats, and gw college republicans. >> okay the school of media and public affairs as we have mentioned is a very dynamic place.

we have a masters in strategic here please raise your hand. i will call you out a moment. and we have a number of faculty. so thank you very much for being here all of you.

we'll be celebrating this entire year with a series of special events and other things. highlighting the compliments of our highlighting, enriching the student experience and looking to the future. as we grow the next generation of leaders, in journalism, and politics politics and in political communication and advocacy. as part of our silver anniversary we'll be having events, next week will be hosting one that will be quite fascinating which revolves around marriage equality and how those who set the agenda around marriage equality changed the national conversation in what really is a remarkable period of time. we'll have registration for that so please keep your eyes open for that information it will pop up on our website in the next few days. another exciting program we are launching to help students as part of our silver anniversary,

we are announcing the career access network. this is going to do a number number of things for students, it will provide experience and learning for students it will provide funding for internships. as you know it's part of your college experience the internship is so important to your college. secondly we will use the initiative to encourage networking events. finally we'll establish a mentoring program between our engaged alumni and our students. we set a goal of $250,000 to launch this, it is part of our overall campaign. this is what we are building for the future and we are very excited about it. if anyone wants to help us do this, we are interested in talking to you so find me or anybody here and we'll be

delighted to have that conversation. i want to recognize a few people very briefly. our national council members the chair of the national council is here, as the premier advisory board. so what we're highlighting here this evening to our extended community is the remarkable things they have done, incredible contributions they have made, and the wonderful thought and substance they bring to us into our students, our, our faculty and to this university through their lives. so i will now introduce the panel.

all of whom are related to the school of media and public affairs. i i will call them out one at a time, if you know them you can applaud, if you don't know them you can applaud. paul wilson, [applause]. he participate at various levels in six presidential campaigns. any particular campaign? i think republican. next is cornell [applause]. you can see him on cnn and other television networks, he is is a premier strategist and national progressive politics which i

take to mean is a democrat. >> depends on the day. >> he previously served. next, our school immediate and media affairs, frank. frank is commission and cochair on congressional debates. in the 1980s he served as chairman of the republican party for six years. that's when i first met franklyn we are both teenagers, i was covering ronald reagan and he was explaining them. next, amy walters, national editor of the cook political report. [applause]. she provide analysis of issues, trends, events that shaped the political environment.

she writes a column and is on nbc's meet the press. one other person who is on the air right now so she will join us later, i hope if if they don't go too long and that is a former fellow, marla. you may have seen her on fox that's where she is right now. she brings incredible insight to what she does. i hope she will bring some here if they can get her up there. and now, our moderator moderator for this evening, was student at george washington university, amazing student of american politics and has become a great teacher of american politics, his moderator of meet the press, his political director of nbc news, he is the newest member of our national council. please give a warm welcome to chuck todd. [applause].

>> why he takes his seat i want to recognize others and think those to help put put the evening together. we will turn over to talk to you. [applause]. >> , a freshman are in the building? that is fantastic. twenty-five years ago was obviously the founding of the school. 255 years ago was when i step foot on this campus, by the way this was a parking lot, next-door was the coolest thing i ever discovered which was tower records. we we still had to buy our records, all my student that belong to whoever the poor person who bankrupted tower records back in the day.

i came here because i was hoping to experience, i hope to fulfill, i was hoping to have washington experience it. i think tw w does it better than any other school in the city, it is only school in the heart of the city, you feel it, the political community and away you don't get at that school that is not on the metro in a river down by the street. nor the school that is near ours offices. there is nothing like gw. [applause]. all of my first jobs came just from being right here. let's get started with this crazy race. paul i will start with you. it's your party, what the hell

is going on? i'm sure you get this call all the time from friends and failing members and say what is going on. donald trump, what the hell is going on? >> it is changing, we used to had those a goal post and all the candidates would kick the ball to the goalposts, there are not in the goalpost anymore. whoever thought you could insult people, you insult people, you could switch positions, you could be a flip-flop or, and you could do anything you wanted to and you would rise in the pulse. we see donald trump breaking all the rules and so the question for the new freshman is why? how can you get away from that. we welcome you here by the way. the answer as to why you can wreck the roles is, he is doing

something different. we call it agenda setting. he is telling the public how to make the decision about the presidency. he is not saying experience or anything like that, he he is saying make it on ideal maker. make it on someone who can negotiate better for this country. he is changing how we view the presidency. historically, when you change how i vote or group looks at the candidates, it can change the election outcome. it doesn't look like it scientific but it works the same way. he is changing the agenda of how we pick a president. will he he make it? we don't know. he is in the game pretty strong. >> you are one of those gentlemen republican of the 80s, is this your republican party? what you you say when people ask you that? >> well i always say must be nonpartisan.

some of the freshmen who are here, i had an opportunity to speak to on sunday night. when you say what the hell is going on? i think no one has done a better job of trying to describe what has been going on both political parties, not just in the republican party primary, and i was peggy noonan in her article in the "washington journal" a few weeks ago. she said what has washington, the establishment given us over the last 20 years question she picked up candles, financial scandals, two on two on one rulers, and economic collapse, a tepid recovery, not even pretending anymore to control our own borders. a bunch of things that have frustrated so many americans, republicans, democrats, it independence that they are voting, at least regards to polling is an indication of their frustration of in-your-face democrats,

republicans, voters. that's why you see people as strong as they are. the american people are unsatisfied with the whole system. i don't think it's just that republican party i think it's also the democratic party. they have have lost trust in corporations, banks, it's an unhappy time in our country. i think this is what we are seeing a reflection of. of. how long this will continue israel question. host: paul you are an early contender with barack obama. it said one of the reasons obama got elected was a public was

frustrated with washington want to shake things up. it's why he met first election, he got a lot of independent dents and republicans on the side. as side. is it just ten years of frustration is there and it's now born out even more so? >> i think being frustrated with washington is not anything new. you could make the argument that there are frustration is certainly high. i meant to go a slightly different direction. and go a little further than paul. if you look at the american culture right now, what's meeting our culture right now? our culture is being eaten by reality television meatballs. those people who are driving that reality television are the

same people who are making the kardashians rich beyond their belief. those are not separate americans, they are used. you. they are the american voters too. i actually love some of the political student standpoint what donald trump is doing. he is doing something amazing. he is taking all these tactics, that have worked very well for him in reality television. guess guess what, they are also working really well in politics. one of the interesting things i've seen in the poll, from the iowa caucus couriers, only 41% of the caucus goers want a candidate with specific on the policy.

so let's not be mistaken about what is going on in america are both culturally and how it is now gone on in our policies. i heard donald trump is fading, he's not going to last, and after this day in this day he will drop. he just keeps going up in the polls. think about how this is going to impact elections, not just this year but years to come. if this is the trajectory now, i can tell you it's a horrible project to rebut a decade ago are parents, if this is the project area politics and donald trunk is brilliant and social media, his driving most of the conversations. think about your tools and the skills you will need to win in these campaigns. and to win and communicate and

broadcast as well. i think he is changing the way politics are playing. >> the irony is he never senses on tweets. he has people to do this, they're huge. i want you to pour the cold water on this. here we are september 2, september 2, 1991 same time,. i think that's really funny the four of you. september 1991 bill clinton hadn't even announced yet, september 1995 of 95 lamar alexander was the flavor at that moment, in 1999 at nine at this point time we're talking about steve forbes and all the money he was bringing to the race. 2003 a was three was howard dean, you get my point.

are we over analyzing trump and sanders? >> let me start with trump and then i'll go to sanders. for trump there is something he is doing, i agree with what people are saying, he it's different than what we have seen before. it's not that he's just able to set the agenda by playing by a different set up rule, it is fascinating to watch the candidates around him. it's like watching kids on the playground when one kid comes in and starts doing something differently and winning whatever game it is, kickball, whatever, all the kids who had been playing for a long time say, it's not fair. you're not playing by the rules. we had rules and you not play by them. >> that was july. >> i think jeb bush that that in july.

>> so he has been a master of that, there's there's also things i've never seen before. i see the reason why cabinets are on the show is we have a feeling we can't go any further, i just don't remember, maybe you do, a time, a time when a candidate with 100% name recognition has a 75% disapproval rating among people in his own party, where 66% of people in his own party set i will not party set i will not ever vote for you. you think okay he's pretty much done. everybody meets him adult like him, a few months later in iowa, those numbers literally flip. they go from 23, 60 said to total opposite. that's not supposed to happen. there is something unique about him. the question in my mind is how long does this last? is this something where it's

been fun, interesting to watch it's been a group reality show for the summer but at the end of the day, voters are going to learn more about donald trump. he has been a master at being anything anybody wants him to be. if you look at his base of support it's a very broad. broad. it's not just angry tea party people it's a mix of people. so he has done incredibly well. so that becomes a real question. can this hold on? there has not been 1 dollar spent yet in this race. there's been a little money here and there, up in new hampshire and iowa, but there is 200 to $400 million to sitting out there waiting to be engaged.

has he changed the game so much that the rules were used to playing by, the 32nd ads, the opposition research, are they going to work? or that he has been pervious to this because he hasn't changed so much in. very quickly about sanders, agree he's making some moves based on some anger out there he's tapping into. the republican base and democratic base are just really night and day. the republican base is incredibly divided, they are upset with what they see with their own party, they are divided on issues, there divided on policy, there's no cause he's in there. on the democratic side, they're united on all of the major issues, foreign policy is still a little bit of a place where they will divide. but not much else. despite all of the attention to

hillary clinton, it remains in the high 80s. she does better among liberal democrats across the board than bernie sanders. >> every republican wishes they had hillary clinton in their primary. >> were dividing a vote among 17 candidates. so there's a reason's it spread out. it's different when you have two candidates and that's what the democrats have right now. >> from lincoln chafee, that's why i couldn't remember his name, used to be republican. >> there should be an opening there for anti- hillary because she is. >> it let me move to the media thing.

>> hit hillary's a strong candidate but i cringe a little bit when when the i've had the same thing in 2007. this blackeye with a muslim name came out nowhere cup fire. if i was hillary, that i'm not working for her this summer, i would be very anxious about this and i think they are, because the democratic primary voters are restless. you know this, how often is it that the person who is the established front runner for the democratic primary and up being the nominee? it doesn't happen very often. democrats don't like.

>> al gore did become the nominee, al. >> i would say that fight. i think it would help energize the base, i love the primary sample site. >> should we sign you up right now is joe biden's poster?

>> .. >> he is very experienced in

reality shows and he comes up with the -- not the speech, it is usually one sentence on a particular subject and it gets to something the american people are concerned about. he knows how to do it. the media love it. they have to, you know, you are in the business of the 24 hours a day, 365 days has to be filled with msomething, i watched him o something and he was funny. he cuts through like no body. i think it a combination of both. honing how long it last i don't know. >> i think he's treating media like a salt shaker and empties you out and shakes you all over the place. he does it and it works. we have never seen it before so there is that novelity thing.

>> we spent most of the time talking about trump. >> we get to really get into trump and his past policies or who he is or what he has done. >> he speaks on one thing not necessarily a republican issue which is trade. that is the one thing he has been consistent on. it is the one consistent thing. >> that doesn't -- >> that is not a republican party issue. >> he breaks so many rules. if you remember there was an ad that john kerry, we had him on a sailboat and he would go back and forth ice surfing. i brought it but we can't play it. it showed how many times he flip flopped. it is a common attack, always works and it doesn't now.

>> we have to go back it is not working among republican primary voters but it is working among not the flip-flopping ad but what he has done in terms of the issues he has brought up and the controversial issues he loves to sit in. and latino voters and female voters are a big problem. >> you know the war chest that the major candidates in both parties have we haven't started laying that out. they haven't gone with that yet. i think they will focus -- what is on top. >> let's talk about the ma manipulation of a new meaning. ronald reagan was totally under the radar in the late '70s doing

commentaries. ross perot showed the idea you can campaign on television. he was the first to pull it off being at 35% in the polls low and behold. you can argue obama was the first one to understand the power of social media 1.50. and other candidates learned from it at the time. you look in 1992, bill clinton starting doing arseno after he saw as it worked for perot. my question is when are the other candidates going -- is there something to learn from trump's success? i think there is but paul? >> they are trying. they are attacking him with great regularity. if they don't play on his turf they are being ignored. i don't think it will cut him

down. >> you talked about how effective him he is on social media. i look at him as on the record all of there time. john mccain on steroids. the beauty of trump and i would say to the clinton people, anybody call and complain, he is on the record loall of the time. shouldn't other politicians learn from this? >> i do but it goes back to my initial point of it is the kardashian's tactic now which does say there is no publicity that is bad publicity. kim kardashian does these outrageous things on the cover of the magazines. >> making a sex type? >> but you see the ted cruz's

and the scott walker's and they are beginning to sort of align with others and go further out there on some of these issues. you have all of these republicans talking about building a big wall. okay. great. but they are following the line. there is something to be said and i think this generation is going to be working. there is something going on and again that pop culture america that is in love with reality television those tactics are working in politics. i don't think you can ignore and you will have to master it. i think if you will be successful you will master what trump is doing. i just think you are going to. >> i don't think -- the secret to donald is annoying. he is always flamboyant. what you see now is what i would say with donald in business and

so forth. he has the personality. i don't know i haven't talked to him since he started running for president of i will run for president, if i don't make it i will have a new reality show. i am not sure he gets up in the morning saying i want to be pre president of the united states. the other candidates, both parties, they really want to be president. maybe donald is looking at the numbers and saying maybe i can be president and you know take it further but i think that is the difference. he has the personality if he goes up the to microphone he is good. >> this is where campaigns truing l -- struggleal because you have to understand strengths and wea weakness. some are great on camera and some are terrible on camera and

you have other people talk for them. not everybody can do that and people that don't do it well it is obvious when they fall on their face. ultimately, though, i think the issue that frank brought up is it is about authenticity. bernie sanders has that gray hair and he is surrounded by 20-something and you would think he would have a older audience given his age cohuert. but he is the real deal. >> i talked to people that are trump supporters. some are there to send the collective middle finger to washington. they know what he is and they don't care. he is what frank said he is

flamboyant. let's try to play out the scenario. five months until caucus day. i am not asking you to say who is going dto be the nominee and we will open it up to you. one microphone here and one in the center. line up and we will do rapid fire and i am hoping everybody has a question. i will do little questions for everybody here before we go to you guys. paul, who are the plausible nominees now most likely that will be the most likely republican nominees and how do you see it shake out? does trump make it to march 1st? >> i think he does and i think i can prove it. i brought the statistics from four years ago and i inserted trump's number and just real quick you can see his 25 pkt % w

hampshire, iowa and florida puts him in the game right away that is maybe an unfair way to look at it but he is in the game with delegates and momentum. but you have other great candidates. you have kasich, bush with a ton of money, carly who is exciting people. it is not over by any means. >> those are your plausible pne nominees? >> i think with carly being the outlier of that group but i think you have to watch kasich and jeb bush because he has a ton of dough but he hasn't been able to make it work. >> anyone you want to add to the list? >> this is the way, in my position, i think what you will

see is i think donald will be there, i agree with you on that. but i think what is going to affect it more than anything else is who starts falling off on the bottom. when the money is not there the rumors are governor perry and you will start loosing people at the bottom. the interesting thing to watch is where that support is going to go. but with regard to march 1, i agree and i think donald will be there. >> let me ask you this question and then we will open it up. will we have a nominee by the time of the cleveland convention? paul on the republican side? >> by the time we get to the convention, it is hypothetically possible. >> 10%? 20%? what do you think? >> something where the nominee doesn't have enough delegates. >> i think you could get that way. the middle part of the republican process doesn't have

winner take all. that means if i get 30% of the vote i get 30% of the delegates. multiple people can win if there is enough of that it can play out. a lot of statistical pundant don't thing it will play out. >> i was at the 1971976 convent where we had that. i should say unfortunately butch biker passed away and he was the then governor reagan and if he won the nomination he would have been the vice president but i don't think we know. i think we will have a nominee. -- i think we will know. >> cornel, different question on the democratic side. give me the size of the political earthquake if hillary

clinton loses iowa or new hampshire to bernie sanders? they are trying to say they can lose iowa or new hampshire and be okay but i don't know if they understand the earthquake that would cause if that happens. >> if she were to lose iowa and new hampshire it certainly puts a lot of wind behind sanders but this is problematic. iowa and new hampshire are really big deals and obama's win in 2008 primary season was a big go when he won iowa and lost in new hampshire. but this is bernie's problem and they get this. after you get passed the first couple of states, and this is what obama put the nomination away, most people don't think about it but this is when he put

the nomination away. in south carolina, for a while we were competing with hillary for minority vote big time and for a while she was ahead. it it wasn't iowa that was huge saying he won iowa so black people were willing to vote for him. that is bullshit. white people in iowa said he was okay so they voted. he worked very hard. when south carolina happened, we broke down the gates and it was flood gates. and hillary was competing anymore. what happens when you cannot compete with the african-american votes? you cannot win alabama, louisiana, georgia, virginia. so you go to the heart of the south, the bible belt of the south, and where we ran the clock and truth of the matter is

when we ran the clock through the south the nomination was over. >> she could not get you. >> i guess going back to -- dwht is the level of panic if she loses one of the two? does sanders get an opening? >> i am going to get in so much trouble but i think if she loses in new hampshire and iowa, which i don't think she will do, i think you will see a strong case of biden to get in the race. >> that is what will happen? >> can't win the general so -- >> i think you will have people pushing biden in the race. >> amy, you get to do both. tell me how does this play itself out and does it end in cleveland or not?

>> i would put rubio in that category. he is under the radar but well liked among a broad coalition of republican voters. his getting out there and presenting himself and i think unlike many of the other candidates when he is a very good retail and strong on camera and natural candidate. so i think i would add to that. for as much as we love a brokered convention, a title college, those things never happen, but we can also hope. but we will see. and what was the other thing? the iowa and new hampshire? i like that theory about biden coming in. that sounds like a lot of fun. but i agree. if you look at the fcc primaries again, these are certain states, where i would be concerned if i

was a hillary campaign is when you start to see numbers among african-americans and latinos and hillary start to drop. that is when there is problems. loosing white, liberal men is not as much of a problem as loosing -- they are all in new hampshire is -- and iowa. >> i would three throw in ted cruz and by stock in him winning in iowa right now. >> i would by stock in kasich right now. >> let's go to questions. tell us where you are from originally. >> i am andrew from cape cod, massachusetts and i want to thank you for being with us tonight. it makes the first week of class exciting. >> excellent.

>> you guys are stuck with monday, wednesday, friday 8 a.m. classes, right? >> we are looking down the road and outlying how everything is going to come together and we have alluded to the war chest. i just want to ask do we think the war chest is going to be as affective as it has been to a candidate like donald trump whose personality seems to be so big that it could deflect the money to whoever is dishing it out and how is that going to change the playing field for someone trying to rise to the top like marco rubio. >> money matters a lot and becomes less affective in a multi candidate race. bush is going after trump on tv and they try to use money to

destroy kasich and rubio. i am of the theory money matters less today than it did four years ago. where were you on this? >> the one new point in this campaign is the super pacs that each candidate has a big stash of money they cannot control and symboll somebody else is spending it on their behalf. that is the new wild card. it isn't the candidate. but the candidate's friend running this. >> it is aan amazing thing goin on. once upon a time in this country, republican or democrat, as a campaign, you want to control the message. we were very, very disciplined about that in the obama campaign. we didn't want anyone out there defining our message and telling our story. truth of the matter now is you

will have people not connect today the campaign not connected to the campaign defining a large loss. and you have really and again i am going in on this not as a democrat but an american. you have millionaires out there in the desert and then they could define terms of the debate in a way that ordinary people don't. i am a consultant. i benefit from lots of money being in the process. but if i think as a regular american you benefit from all of this money. >> just a little bit. it depends where the money is being spent. when i was head of the party, and involved in the reagan races, the party we call the wla blocking and tackling is going out and identifying voters and registering them to vote and get

them to the polls. president obama used this to do it. the social media. if that money that is out there with the super pacs, i agree, there is only so much you can do on television today. most people your age don't even watch tv anymore skwhand when yo it is on your computer or ipad or other vehicle. if that money is being used for blocking and tackling and identifying it be very effective. >> is it problematic that as a party man, is it probematic that so much of the functions that once upon a time the parties did -- >> i said for a long time there were pieces of legislation because of it destroyed realistically the two broadest base organizations in the country, republican and democratic party, where you had

a left, right and center in both parties. and the limitations to being able to spend hard money on things destroyed and changed the make up of the parties. >> let me guide this. john mccain and john kerry did something in '04 and 08 and were the candidates who won without spending the most money. romney outspent mccain and dean outspent kerry. how likely to see it this time? >> the super pacs have much more money than the candidates. you look at the time in new hampshire and iowa 70% is super pacs. the one thing i will say about super pacs to add on is beyond the fact they are controlling a message outside of the campaign but they cannot control the candidate. you can have all of the money in the world but if your candidate is not good it don't matter how

much money you have. scott walker is a good example of this. if you are the scott walker super pac you are watching a candidate who is having a little trouble. there is not a darn thing the super pac can do to make up for that deficit. >> i promise we will talk take five minutes for the next question. >> i am from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. i am reading the making of a president 1968 and what is shocking is how 1968 seems to look like today. race riots in the street, ongoing war on terror which like vietnam doesn't seem to be ending, a country with a lot of prosperity but no mobility for l lower income americans and we see establishment politics which is the laughing stock of the nation. so aside from the horse race, what is the outcome of 2016?

>> i am with you on this. donald trump is george wallace in that he is tapping into nativism. >> frank, going to you. >> people came up to me and asked the question and i looked at bernie sanders very much like mccarthy and remember he lost new hampshire. president johnson won new hampshire but the affect of running the race and the debate got johnson to step down saying he will not run for re-election. i think the question is really smart. that is what i am talking about, look at the last 20 years, what have the people in washington and the political parties given

the american people? not very much. >> i want to make one point about this because i asked that question of peter heart who was renowned pollster who does the washington journal and he says '68 was about anger. this is much more about anxiety and there is a difference. when you are angry, there is definitely a lot of anger in there. but the overall impression he is getting, and i see this, too, and i am curious what you are seeing, is a sense of frustration but what we want is someone to delay the fear rather than build up the fear? [applause] >> address the social unrest. >> by the way, i wasn't alive in

'68 just for reference. the social unrest is really interesting because the black lives matter -- let's take the black lives matter which i think is something the progressives have to take seriously as well as republicans because you have a co-hort of social media savvy, smart young people who are using that social media vehicle in a way that i would not imagine ten years ago because it is using it as a vehicle for the new civil rights movement and for organizing. and they are saying, you know, all lives matter but you will say black lives matter because we will not have our issues washed away. if you can talk about gender specific issues and hispanic issues and gay and lesbian

issues then damn it you are going to talk about african-american issues. and when president obama steps off page, there is a narrative this is going to bubble up and flow in ways that have been held back because obama has been on that stage. and it is going to be really interesting. they are talking about their independence. and it will be interesting -- by the way, obama won two majority elections. you have to go a long ways to find a democrat who won back-to-back majority elections. that part of his coalition is an important part of the coalition for progressives but they are incrose cre-- increasingly independently and i think democrats will struggle with the revolte against minority voters and if bernie sanders starts to

answer it better than hillary there is your crack. >> the question is how much is this like '68 and interesting comparison saying it is the anger and anxiety and all of that. >> it is an interesting comparison. i think we are at a populus moment in american politics. you had tremendous number of american young men dying in a foreign war scheie donand we do that. but i think it is volatile and unpredictable and why we have donald trump and to a lesser extent bernie sanders. you know he wants to get rid of the hedge fund guys and the tax lop lo

loop hole but he is about building a fence. and that is about the nativism and economic population is combined against the bang of wall street. whatever it is. they also have those two things. and i think one of the questions for me is just like out of '68, made permanent changes in american politics what is going to be this populus' legacy of trump or will jeb bush get up on his behind legs and really

change the nature of the party? i think that is unlikely. >> let's go to next and i proplast it will be more lightning round. >> i am jack from chicago. my question is is there a specific policy issue that will affect the election? >> policy? that is nuts. are you joking? let's go to the practicing on this. >> the right to life issue is a motivator. we see tax policy being talked about. but it is more personality now. >> to make this quick i agree. >>