involved in telecommunications issues, and that's the federal trade commission and we're pleased to have two of its commissioners join us on "the communicators" this week. terrell mcsweeny is a democrat. maureen ohlhausen as republican, the only republican currently on the commission. commissioner mcsweeny, what is the intersection between the fcc and ftc when it comes to telecommunications issues? >> the ftc is the primary consumer protection authority in the federal government. we have very broad jurisdiction but we were close with the fcc especially as it relates to telecommunications issues, the administration of the do not call list and things like that. for a number of years we've shared some areas of consumer protection jurisdiction primary. and ftc act prevents us from having too much jurisdiction in this space adventure will get to that in our conversation because it examines common carriers from our authority. >> commissioner ohlhausen, one of the issues that's been semi-settled is the net

neutrality issue, something that the ftc had been involved in. how has your work changed, how pressure goal changed since the fcc decided on net neutrality? >> i can tell you're a too obvious if you say the net neutrality just been semi-settled because and there's still more to go in that story. but the issue isn't, she mentioned this, the common carrier exemption. so now that the fcc has reclassified broadband internet service as a title ii service companies common carrier service. so it creates a hurdle for the ftc to bring some of our traditional consumer protection enforcement in this space. a hurdle toward antitrust authority that doesn't run into the problem. so i am personally very concerned that we may not be able to continue to protect consumers as well online because

of the reclassification. >> commissioner mcsweeny come to you should and shouldn't? >> i.t. this is an era of long term bipartisan agreement at the ftc. we really give you the commentary exemption as an anachronism. when it was passed the idea was to protect common carriers who are then regulated by the icc from dual government authorities or conflicting government authorities. it no longer exists. when talking about locally regulated monopolies of telephone work is already roads anymore. i think it's an anachronism. >> join our conversation this week is brent kendall with "the wall street journal." >> thanks for having me. while we're on the net become the subject in this world where we'rwe are in now, can you talk briefly with his commentary exemption areas where the ftc's authority has only been displaced at this point? arthur great areas where it's not entirely clear whether ftc

still have several or if it's going to be mostly fcc? >> for example, we have litigation ongoing right now against at&t alleging that it made misrepresentations and engaged in unfair practices involving unlimited wire broadband service. we are able to continue our litigation because of that activity took place before the fcc reclassified. but down the road should we have problems like this again with another provider, it would be a serious question the provider, the defense would be we are a common carrier and you authority is foreclosed. >> i think it as if you're engaged in activity of providing a broadband or telecommunications service, then that's very likely outside of what our jurisdiction lies.

if it's a different kind of activity but your classified as a common carrier, then we may still have jurisdiction. for example, we have brought cases and worked closely with the fcc to combat cramming which is the practice of putting unauthorized charges on mobile phone bills. mind you, we will continue to have jurisdiction in that kind of area. area. >> the idea being if your broadband provider, engage in activity that would lead her to common carrier, the ftc industry would still have a role to play in? >> i would argue that, yes. i think the fcc also uses the status versus activity-based classification when it's making decisions about its own act. i think we would do the same within hours. >> .com have a concern that the fcc in the order we classified left open the possibility they could reach out to edge providers have traditionally not been considered common carriers,

who are engaging in common carrier service. so that if the fcc tens of interpreting its authority even more broadly they could impinge even more of the ftc's authority. >> so how does all this affect the consumer? is this a behind the scenes turf war or does this sound real impact, in your view speak with i think it has real impact in two ways. one, the ftc is primarily law enforcement agency not a regulator. we have brought more than 180 secured and privacy cases. we've done a lot, terrell are we already mentioned cranach, but the issues. we been active in trying to protect consumers in the internet space. i would be concerned that they may lose some of these protections because the fcc, it's a very fine agency has traditionally played the type of consumer protection enforcement role that the ftc has. i think if the concern is that consumers may not really understand that there were two

different regulatory schemes and they may think that their activities are protected in the same way when you're dealing with an isp, as when they're dealing with an edge provider. and ultimately they may not be protected in the same way and i'm not sure that they will be able to understand that. >> terrell mcsweeny? >> i would add there are some differences between the ftc's authority and the fcc's authority. we are primarily a consumer protection enforcement agency. we protect consumers from unfair and deceptive acts and practices. we can also get redress for than anything that they harmed and we can prove our case to i think that's a very important way we protect consumers. consumers. we have a long history of working close with the fcc and working well with the sec. i don't really see this as a situation which there's a turf war or one agency or the other out of authority. i just think consumers are best protected when we can all do our

jobs. >> imaging theory of data security. the ftc recently won an important test case come federal appeals court in philadelphia. the commissioners brought several dozen cases against the companies involved in data breaches on the theory that they didn't get basic things they should to protect consumer data. the hotel chain the commission is going after victim of hacking instead of hackers themselves. the appeals court rejected that arson is said you had clear authority in this area but as more generally, given that data breaches occur in corporations every week it seems like these days how does commission in to decide where gets involved. word you look, where does staff look what's the kind of reach for the company, guinea, a victim to no fault of its own and what areas -- maybe the company should've done more here and this is an area for us to

get involved? >> in the wind in case which has not been decided on the merits yet but our basic authorities act using our data security under the act to require regional security requirement was upheld by the third circuit. and i think that our requirements have been that congress undertake reasonable precautions. if they have sensitive and important consumer data, it is released that harm consumers is the financial heart our medical information, things like that, companies have an obligation to safeguard the. in the third circuit itself mentioned the idea that as a provider, as a business if you leave a lot of risks abound that could harm consumers, you may be liable. so i think that is what we are requiring common is that a company needs to take reasonable precautions. but i think people don't necessary to understand when there's a data breach, that is not necessarily, it's not

necessarily affect the ftc will say there's been a violation is not a strict liability. we look at many, many data breaches, but we close about half to two-thirds of our investigation of a data breach without taking any action against the company. >> there's a major corporate data breach, is it an automatic thing that the commission will take a look? when i read about a big one in the paper, does the commission at the point looking to see if they can hundred and -- to see if the companies have taken the basic steps to protect consumer data speak with the are some gaps in our jurisdiction. we have been talking to common carriers. i would also add nonprofits are again. yes do we take assist with large-scale breaches that affect millions of consumers? i think we do. but as maureen has pointed out our standard is from is the practice result was

unreasonable? isn't his company practicing city by design as articulate the best practices in this area both in our start with security guidance and initiative and all of our 50 cases. and we rely on technical secured experts to evaluate very carefully considered and procedures that were in place in making our law enforcement decision. >> are these internal people to work for the commission speak with they are both and i'm excited at this commission we have taken the step to expand our technical resources. we are expanding our capacity to both investigate and ask him a just and highly technical issues. we also use outside experts. >> before we move on the one interesting fact of the wyndham cases that have been hacked multiple times and the court said by the time they been hacked multiple times they should've realized there was a problem. which was left open the question of if you're a major question -- companies you've been hacked one time, could you get in hot water with the commission for having cybersecurity that was arguably

not up to snuff speak with yes. if you didn't take reasonable precautions and it led to a hack, even a single half could sometimes be quite expensive, then you might be liable. some of the things the ftc has but actions against his against companies who don't have a firewall, whose main network password was password. these are for some very basic things to fail to train their staff. >> if you're storing all of your passwords in a folder marked passwords, if you're not really undertaking basic security hygiene. again, speak if you have found this happens at sizable u.s. company's? >> yes, it does. >> is the ftc, when there's a hacking case, isn't the ftc the lead federal agency's? >> that's a really good question. i think we're in a very important consumer protection agency. but a number of different places he might touch the federal

government if you're dealing with a hack, if you're an entity. you may contact dhs, the fbi, doj. there may be criminal component to it. so i think with consumer protection enforcement certainly that you would encounter at the federal level. >> i think that's right. terrell mentioned some of the carveouts we have from our authority. and insurance is another one for some of the biggest tax weaselly have been against insurance companies. the ftc would not be able to investigate those. >> why? >> because congress under the mccarran-ferguson act said we don't have authority over insurance. >> what is the only one republican commissioner and three democrats? >> well, the commission is bipartisan agency, no more than three can be from the same political party, and the current administration or the administration chooses to commissioner.

so you are most always going to have more of the sitting parties commissioners than the other. but my fellow ftc commissioner joshua, my fellow republicans recently resigned from the commission to return to academia. >> do you foresee getting another republican on the commission's and? >> i think eventually. i think congress has a lot on this point as i'm sure we are all aware. i hope they would bring someone on board soon. but i understand they have a lot of priorities. >> we have talked about data security. the commission's privacy agenda and its focus is sort of a close cousin of that. the chairwoman and an introductory marked she gave at a saturday conference described the ftc as of the nation's chief privacy agency. i wanted to ask you how we've gotten to this point the i know the ftc has authority over unfair practices. is not entirely with his

authority as derived from? we are in a world now with the ftc is preparing told major privacy conferences. you go out into me with computer programmers and hackers and you advise businesses on building security into their applications and products. how did he -- how did we get to where we are? >> the first privacy cases came out of a deception authority and this will back to the late 90s when the internet first became sort of a consumer experience. for first case was in 1999 against -- happened work at the ftc at the time to i think it's a great example of the bipartisan continuity that we have at the ftc, that this focus on privacy consumer privacy on the internet really started back then, and each chair of the commission has continued to make it a focus of his or her enforcement. and our policy research and a

consumer education and our business education, so that we have established a great baseline of information, of knowledge, of expertise in this area that both republicans and democrats have continued to build on. >> act when you're in a commission in the late 90s which is conceived of a commission falling in this one where you're basically a de facto government agency on privacy issues? >> it's always hard to foresee but i understood that the current leadership of the agency at the time really saw the potential here and were very wise and invested a lot of resources to get out in front of that, and it continues to pay dividends for consumers. >> to back up, the ftc place this incredible valuable role and even more valuable as we are increasingly digitizing our lives and connecting more and more thanks to the internet and each other and to carry vast

amounts of information on our smart phones and have it connected appliances and things like that it's important to remember that in the u.s. we have a sector-based approach to privacy, that we have laws that protect children's information if they are under 13. we lost that protect financial information from health information, held by health care. we have lost to protect educational records that are administered at the department of education. we have every sector-based approach to privacy. was the ftc steps in its weren't all of this on my good space that's evolving very rapidly are huge innovation is occurring, that impacts directly consumers, their privacy and information. that's where we use out unfairness and deception afford to make sure that consumers are getting accurate information about how the data is being handled and how it is being secured. >> is the unfairness issue, is it clearly defined? >> i think it's clear defined by

the ftc cases, yes. >> what would you like to see congress do when it comes to privacy? >> this is a great question. i would say a few things. one, i would like to see congress really clarify data breach and data security legislation. i think comprehensive data security legislation would be very, very hopeful. i won't speak from a colleague i would love to hear what's on her list as well. there have been several interesting debates also specific in the privacy space around student data and whether this should be one federal approach to that of either the 21 different state laws. of course, we've had in the background this discussion about a busy bill of rights that's been ongoing for a number of years. it's a policy discussion that's meant to really codify how, what rights consumers have to notice and choice and the kind of thing when their information is being

collected. >> one of the issues that europe is probably dealing with and some of the american companies that deal with europe as well do not remember on the internet. do you agree with that? >> i think it presents some really interesting challenges in the u.s. we have a very vibrant history around the first amendment, and this is an issue of what kind of, primarily, what kind of search results out to be presented people and what your rights ought to be if you want to take down certain information. i like to think about how we would approach this is something have been reported in the newspaper, would we then allow that to be erased from the public record? and i think with a very different set of values in the united states around that question. >> maureen ohlhausen, the same general questions about privacy,

et cetera. >> taking the first question about congressional action, i agree the ftc has had a unanimous bipartisan recommendation that congress adopt breach notification and data security legislation. i continue to support the. i think there's a patchwork of state obligations that are problematic for consumers and for businesses, and i would like to see a uniform standard applied because i think would have wide-ranging benefits. i would also like to see a clarification about authority. one of the things the bills considered earlier this year by congress get clarified that the ftc will continue to have authority, some of these areas but not been put into question by the fcc's reclassification. regarding the right to be forgotten, i have grave concerns about that. we have freedom of press in the u.s. i would be more interested in seeing what uses information can be put to that may be harmful to

consumers. so rather than trying to restrict people's ability to know things or to no information that has been out in the public record, such that will come up in a search, i would be more interested in seeing how can companies or other entities use that to harm consumers? we have the fair credit reporting act and that's been in place for a long time and it has worked rather well about credit information. it covered not collection of information by use of information to deny consumers or to give consumers credit or housing or employment either deny to the argument to them on less able to inspect that's an area i think we should be thinking more about compound we look at harm's to consumers and try to in those those more directly rather than trying to foreclose the ability for members of a democratic society where we have the first amendment to foreclose the ability to get information. >> in the privacy space that are

clearly main principles that the two of you both agree on. there are other areas where you don't want to export one of those. it was an enforcement cases recently, a company that helps retailers track customers as they come into their stores by using the wi-fi signals from their cell phones. commissioner mcsweeny you are in the majority that brought the company -- prodigies against this company. basically they offer consumers a promise consumer to ways to opt out of contract and their own offering at least for a time on it would've been as how i understand allocations. for the majority that he was they offered something and they didn't actually follow through on that offer and that's a problem. commissioner ohlhausen, i understand from your side you said this is the case the ftc should not have brought and this is a company giving consumers room to opt out and to publish what they didn't know what their privacy policies were, and

always left open the argument that a company that tries to elude less is more protected from an ftc enforcement action and a company that is trying to get more. see if you can both flesh out exactly where you're coming from on that. >> do you want to go first? >> i've had to go first. i do think that, so i teed up my descent, my abjection based on prosecutorial discretion. this was a country that was not required to give consumers any notice because it was a third party collector of nonsense and consumer information. it went a step beyond. if they tried to give consumers notice added to actually get the notice and the ability to opt out broadly through its website of this data collection is consumers didn't wish to have it occur. it also said that they could opt out for the retailers and internet retailers didn't offer that.

but what we did see was that consumers opted out at a fairly high rate compared to other opt out through the website. so it seemed that consumers who are concerned able to exercise that choice. and my concern is about imposing kind of a strict liability approach your weather was no indication that nomi made his reputation to benefit itself and those going above and beyond what you need to do at all, that ultimate we would discourage companies from giving consumers additional information and additional choices because it would only be a downside for them, or could only be a downside. and as the comments came in on our proposed consent we did hear that from a lot of different sources, that they said the knowledge, learning from the nomi case for industry is set as low as possible and do only the bare minimum for consumers.

>> i think this is a fascinating case. as a special matter what point out the vast majority of the cases we bring in technology, privacy data security can we have a bipartisan consensus on and i think that's an important feature for the commission does its work. this one, we do disagree on it. i think what's interesting is it teed up some of the gaps in our laws and policy that many people are not really of what exists. this is a technology, other companies use it as well that passively gathered your location information off of your mobile phone pic i could also potentially gather it off of your wearable devices. they are under no legal obligation to provide you with any notice that is occurring. i think that people don't really fully understand that in this country and that are so surprised to know that that's the case. so in this situation i don't really view it as strict liability i view it as a continuation of the ftc using

its authority to protect consumers from deceptive representation. hear the company said the retailers we provide notice with the technology was being used and to opt out in the retail location. for ask the question then is that material to the consumer acting reasonably under the circumstances. and i believe that it was common practice would be a meaningful choice for someone who's privacy sensitive, and that he was not offered, presented a false choice to consumers. i think as we have more and more of this technology in our homes, in our kitchens come in our bedrooms, surrounding us in our daily lives, we really do need those promises that are being made to consumers about what's happening to the information to be true promises. i thought it was important we bring a case. >> so companies in this space don't have to give you any notice at all, but you would say that if they're going to come

what they tell you have to be active? >> that's right. i would point out that can continue to offer an opt out on its website. we have not shielded from offering the opt out the it is a privacy sensitive company recognizing that some people would be sensitive about this kind of information being gathered. we have not shielded that approach but we have required them to make promises to consumers that are accurate and truthful. >> brent kendall come with one minute left. the final issue. >> commissioner mcsweeny, i wanted to ask you, you focus him on encryption the boards of consumers having their data protected, and wrote a piece in "huffington post" recently and she mentioned among other things the latest versions of smart devices in which companies like apple have taken extra steps to make it so only the owner of that device has access to their data. you are very careful about it but you raised this debate about whether there should be

backdoors for government enforcement, for example, to be able to get into a phone's content when they are investigating somebody. you seem to suggest that either going to leave the backdoor open for government enforcers you're leaving the backdoor open for potential hackers as the i know this has been a big issue for the fbi directors criticized apple and other companies. i would if you just speak to this conflict? >> here's the way i think about this. we are on the cusp of this information age revolution, the internet of things. we are connecting ourselves and devices more rapidly than ever before, whether its appliances in our homes, wearables better tracking our health and fitness, our smartphones. very frequent on our smartphones we are housing all other personal information, fitness information, health information, doctors information, doctors information access to accounts from access to our homes all right on our devices. so this is a very important

moment to think about what we can do to make sure that consumers can trust all of that connectivity in their life. that's i think data security is absolutely vital in this space. technologists have raised some concerns about the ability to protect information is backdoors create vulnerabilities. my point isn't to say this out to be very important piece of information in wayne the technician between what access law enforcement needs to carry out its vital missions and what protections we need as consumers to trust in all of his fantastic new technology. >> maureen ohlhausen, any thoughts on this? >> i agree. i think the internet of things holds great promise, and we need to strike the balance of directly. i think that consumers are demanding these services can demanding these services. i think that a lot of the

information that would've provided by these devices can be very useful for society in general and for the improvement of services to consumers. but we need to make sure that consumers know about sensitive information, things like real-time location, data, health information financial, that they know this information is being collected, how it is being used, being shared come at the promises that are made to them are kept spent maureen ohlhausen has been on the commission since 2012 from a graduate of university of virginia law school spent 11 years on the ftc staff. terrell mcsweeny spent several years with senator and vice president joe biden, prior to becoming a commissioner in 2014 i graduate of georgetown law. brent kendall is with a "wall street journal," unc grad. >> thanks. ..

>> the first stop on the pope's tour. on wednesday pope francis will visit the white house starting with a welcoming ceremony on the south lawn followed by a meeting with president obama. then on thursday the pope makes history on capitol hill, becoming the first pontiff to address both the house of representatives and the senate during a joint meeting. follow all of c-span's live coverage of the pope's historic visit to washington. watch live on tv or online at c-span.org.

>> attorney general loretta lynch and michigan congressman john conyers, the ranking member of the house judiciary committee, were among the speakers at a panel on policing and criminal justice reform hosted by the congressional black caucus foundation at its 45th annual legislative conference in washington. panelists included law enforcement officials and activists who talked about their experiences trying to bring reforms to the nation's criminal justice system. this is two and a half hours. [inaudible conversations] >> good morning. >> morning. >> we'll try one more time. good morning. >> good morning. >> thank you.

it is my/to be at this hot mic up here and to moderate what i hope will be a panel where we can get some wisdom on the topic of policing and police reform particularly for our most maligned communities. when i was asked to speak today, when i was asked to moderate today, i did as i normally do, and i went straight to bible study and thought, well, what wisdom can be offered on the issue of race and policing in contemporary america? and as is frequently the case with my bible, which is wiser than i, i opened it, went straight to proverbs 4:7. it says wisdom is the principal thing. therefore, get wisdom. and in all that getting, get the understanding. somebody say wisdom. >> wisdom.

>> now, in a moment when black lives matter is not just the call, but the response, it is not just the art, but the science, i came to meditate on the wisdom of what does it mean, what are we called to do? what is required of us when a person or group of people matters to us? what is required of me if i love you, if you matter to me, is not just that i get to know you, that i understand you, but that i get to know and understand the things that influence you. if i have are a child -- if i have a child, i am not a responsible parent if i love that child and ignore the friends that the child's hanging out with. if i have a partner that i'm thinking of marrying, it is not responsible of me to love him or her and have no idea what their friends are saying about me. and if black lives matter,s it is not responsible of us as a

people, as a nation to be loving black folks while ignoring the law enforcement that is affecting their lives every day. if i went to get wisdom -- if i want to get wisdom on how to make black lives matter, i need to take seriously the idea that we need to increase our literacy on police issues. we need to understand policing, okay? [applause] and i don't just mean that we these to read about it in the paper. i heene, we these to be able to answer some fundamental questions about the character and the content of policing. so i have some fundamental questions here. how many people were pulled over in their vehicle by police last year? raise your hand if you know the answer. raise it high, because we all want to know. all right, we'll skip that one. [laughter] how many times was force used by a police officer against a citizen of the united states

last year? go ahead, raise your hands up high. we need to know. all right. maybe we'll skip that one as well, okay? how about this? are residentially segregated communities more likely to have police presence than racially integrated communities? raise your hand if you've got the day to -- data to prove that point. raise it up high, because i need to know. our lack of literacy on police issues to in this day is a national embarrassment. we ought to be ahim ad of ourselves -- ashamed of ourselves. and all of us proclaim we need to do better, myself included. i've gone from the bible, i've got to go to my mama. you can't be loud and wrong, you can't be be loud and ignorant on it. so we need to know if black lives matter, we need to take

seriously the project of coming to understand policing or becoming not just literate, but fluent on policing in the way we these to understand the friends of our children, the parents of our partners and the character of this country. if black lives matter, we need to take lissing seriously. somebody -- policing seriously. somebody say wisdom. so that is the goal of today. and up here we have some of the nation's best at fixing our national embarrassment of a lack of data and a lack of understanding. and i'm proud to have partners up here in the center for policing equities national justice data way, the first and largest collection of data on police behavior. and we are going to be hearing from people that from their tireless efforts, from their lifelong commitment and from the jobs that they're doing right now today before they showed up and right after they leave this meeting are helping to correct

the embarrassment, the lack of wisdom that we have on how we can make good on our requirements of making black lives matter. okay? so everyone up here and those who will come in at a later point will get about seven minutes to speak. we will answer some questions amongst ourselves. we want to make sure there are questions that we get from you all. so please stay with us, stay engaged. i'll be giving very, very brief introductions for everyone, okay? and then they will expand on their particular topic. all right? is that good with everybody? okay. now, i want you to understand we may not be in black church, but many of us are of black church, and we bring it with us, so it's okay to have calm response. you may not be moved to say amen, but some of you may be. all right, so coming from the middle of the panel, i'm going to the pick on one of my very good friends, the director of the cops office, ron davis, who thought he was going to be safe by sitting in the middle and wasn't going to have to go

first, but i think it's important that we hear from federal voices, so ron davis having spent a lifetime in law enforcement in oakland and then as one of the most distinguished chiefs of police in the nation, east palo alto, a revolutionary, a trend setter and innovator in community policing is now the first african-american director of the cops office and has been doing tremendous work in collaborative reform and working with consent decrees and giving some carrots to police departments and not just sticks. i will allow him to introduce the rest of his topic, but -- >> do you want me to sit here? >> however you want to do it, but i would prefer to see you stand. please join me in welcoming director davis. [applause] >> good morning. >> good morning. >> and i would say thank you, phil, but i'm not. i'll get you back later. [laughter] just real quick. while it's great to be here, i think this is great timing, a great topic. and i spent 30 years in law enforcement before coming to the

cops office. twenty years in the great city of oakland, a very diverse community, an outstanding community, one that faces a lot of challenges though. and and then eight and a half years plus in east palo alto as the chief, another great, diverse city that faces challenges. when i came to the cops office, i think i brought this understanding watching the evolution of policing. i think when i was hired as a rookie cop in 1985, they had a special program for 12-year-olds -- [laughter] when i got hired in 1985 as a rookie cop where we were at as a profession. that was right at beginning of the crack epidemic. and so i think about what brought me values as a street officer, what was policing about, and it was really heavily about enforcement. in fact, the way you excelled was by making more and more arrests. that was it. if you'd have came to me in 1985 saying do you believe in reentry, i would have told you, absolutely, my job is to reenter

every parolee back into prison. clearly, we've evolved, and we also know that despite our best efforts, we've made a lot of progress since the 1980s. we're more diverse, we're engaging in more community policing, but the things that we haven't done have left a lot of communities behind, and the first step we have to do, and the first part we have to stop and start with is the acknowledgments of the role that law enforcement has played throughout history in repressing certain communities. we have to acknowledge that because that creates the generational mistrust that exists today. so when you see people that are demonstrating, people that are frustrated, that's because they're disconnected, they're disenfranchised, and this system doesn't seem to serve them the way that it was designed to do so, so we have an obligation to address it. what i would tell you in my 30 years here, i've never seen such an opportunity. i was in the police department when the rodney king incident occurred. i've seen crisis come and go. and it usually seems to come and then go.

this, i think it's fair to say, i believe we're amid a new civil rights movement in the united states. the question for my colleagues in blue and in the uniform, what role do the police want to play in the civil rights movement? in the '60s we played the role of oppressing it, stopping it, disrupting it, trying to prevent it. and i think in the 21st century we're going to play a role in being a part of it because we need to make changings. if you recall based on a lot of things that were going on in the country in december of last year, president obama announced the creation of the president's task force on 21st century policing. i'm going to return to that, because i think that provides a road map for us. he identified 11 outstanding members to lead this. i was honored to serve as the executive director of the task force, and these 11 people were very diverse; police chiefs, academics, young people coming off the demonstration lines in ferguson, in new york. and they were academics and civil rights attorneys who admitted that their whole career

was suing police departments. and when we started this, the first group had such diverse views, people wondered could we come together to build anything. and i think we learned that diverse views are not divisive views. there's a difference. within this diversity, we were able to come together and build consensus. and so the first lesson the task force puts out there is you can still build consensus. but the challenge is you have to bring people that will stretch you out of your limits. you have to invite the people that you're not comfortable with. so they came out with a series of 60 recommendations that hopefully you had a chance to look at the report and we'll have a chance to talk about throughout the day and throughout this session on how to build trust and how to make our nation safer. when the president charged this task force, he was very clear. he wanted concrete recommendations to build trust between the police and the community, but he also wanted to make sure that we would continue enhancing public safety. and so i think that's what the task force was able to do.

the report that is out there. i think now the charge is going to be to make sure this report does not sit on a shelf, that it becomes alive, that it's operationalized, departments are using it as a road map, and we're starting to see that. i'm traveling all over this country, and i'm seeing police chiefs reporting those things they've implementedded, working with the community to advance it. so this has to be driven by everyone, not just the police. we are co-producers of public safety, community and the police together. i want to end with this, if i can, and i want you to think about a couple constants that drive me to be a police chief. we start talking about fighting crime and violence, it's sometime in that fight where we lose our way. as we start struggling with crime rates and homicides and violence, we can lose our way because we want to think the only thing we're supposed to do is reduce crime, and we lose the fact that public safety is not just the absence of crime, but it also is the presence of

justice. [applause] so i want you to think about this. if you think about a neighborhood, whoever controls the open public space of the neighborhood controls the quality of life of the people that live there, right? think about your neighborhood, think about where you grew up. especially in our urban centers. whoever controls that open space controls the quality of life. if gang members and drug dealers control it, people live in fear. the only rightful owner of that public space is the community. so the role of the police is not to take over that public space, not to saturate it with stop and frisk, not to take thousands of people to jail, not to have spread incarceration rates, it is to empower the community to take control of their own space so they can be alive, well and that activity will reduce crime. it's all about regaining control of these neighborhoods by the community with the community and not against it and not fighting i. so in 30 years i would say we're at a defining moment in

american policing history. we have a small window of opportunity that comes with think crisis. but i caution, the window of opportunity will close very quickly, and it's usually replaced with a door of past mistakes. let's not go down that road. let's have the courage to have the kind of discussions that we're supposed to have. let's use words like race and bias, let's talk about excessive force, let's talk about supporting officers and not every cop is bad, not every young person is bad. we need to have the courage to have the discussions, we need to have the courage to talk about where we need to go in the future, we need to come together. and when it's time for me to leave this office, i want to be able to say that we came together, that we worked together and that the country is better for it. and i tell you something, when i look at the officers right now, and i would tell you this, i look at the leadership as i travel this country for those that may be apprehensive, i'm seeing a new generation of officers that are smarter -- people will get mad at me for saying this, but i'm going to say it anyway.

they want to do the right thing, and we have to help them. i'm seeing chiefs wanting to learn, wanting to embrace. so let's not make this a fight. let's not make this a debate. let's make it a dialogue, let's work together, and i'm looking forward to the questions that you guys may have. and i will get you back later, phil, but thank you. [applause] >> it is now my absolute pleasure, it's an honor to introduce the representative of michigan's 13th district and the man who has introduced more civil rights legislation than any other individual in the history of this country, representative john conyers. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> top of the morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> great to be here.

i'm pleased to be here to help convene the annual forum on criminal justice reform. this year we're joined by policing practices experts to help us gain a better understanding of the challenges to resolving the growing divide between the police and minority communities which they serve. i say that carefully. we, we want to understand the challenges to resolve the growing divide between the police and minority communities which they serve. the tragic deaths of michael brown, eric garner, walter scott, freddie gray have sparked pain and outrage in communities

across the nation calling for congressional action. now, for many in our communities the death of these men along with many others represents a continuing and dangerous cycle of disproportionate use of force against men of color. we must find here, today, this weekend, concrete solutions to stop this pattern. we need to ease racial tension in america by rebuilding our communities in a balanced way where everyone receives equal education. that's where it starts. job opportunities and a fair

shot at the american dream. equal education is where it starts, but the home is where it really starts, isn't it? it's the home. the sad truth about this kind of an incident is that its root causes are tied together with societal racism that brand black citizens as predators and police practice that treats them as potential perpetrators. breeding distrust between law enforcement and the community that they are bound to protect. responding to this destructive cycle requires a broad-based approach. to address police practices, i

was proud to pass 42usc14141, the federal statute, as part of the 1994 crime bill to allow the department of justice to sue or provide local police departments with resources mess to address -- necessary to address dangerous and discriminatory practices that result in excessive force or racial profiling. this statute, this law has been used successfully across the nation to reduce the number of police-involved shootings. illustrative of the positive effect of legislative reform efforts. the effects of 42usc14141 along

with the introduction of h.r. 1933, the end racial profiling act -- [applause] play a crucial role this breaking historically unjust practices of law enforcement. racial profiling is an issue that affects many people of color on a regular basis, let's face it, and it's just one piece of the greater issue of unjust practices directed toward minorities in different communities across the nation. h.r. 1933 was introduced to directly address the issue, the illegal use of race by law enforcement agencies. it represents a comprehensive federal commitment to healing the rift caused by racial protiling and restoring --

profiling and restoring public confidence in the criminal justice system. it is designed to enforce the constitutional right to the equal protection of law by changing the policies and procedures underlying the act of racial profiling. and further, i've introduced h.r. 2875, the law enforcement trust and integrity act. this legislation provides incentives for local police organizations to voluntarily adopt performance-based standards to insure that incidents of misconduct will be minimized through appropriate management training ask oversight protocols -- and oversight protosol toes. and that if such incidents do occur, they will be properly investigated. the bill also provides police

officers, the vast majority who are pretty decent people who are concerned with their communities, with the tools necessary to work with their communities to enhance their professional growth and education. we must continue the discussion on criminal justice reform, develop legitimate plans to make local law enforcement agencies more accountable the their communities until we develop a concrete plan to address the root causes, we can only wait to see tragic events repeated across other communities. and so in this panel will featue experts from the department of justice, law enforcement and the advocacy community to provide an

overview of the continuing challenges in police/community relations, law enforcement accountability and transparency and racial profiling. and i am pleased now to turn the floor over to professor goth from the center on policing equity. thank you, and it's good to see all of you here. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

>> so as the professor on the dais, i feel that there are lots of different modes of learning that we have available to us. and i'd like to now turn over the the far end of the dais to ms. tonya bennett. finishton that bennett, who was the counsel for the house judiciary committee? sorry? oh, sorry, i have the wrong -- like i said, conyers voice is here present with us. [laughter] her spirit -- i apologize. let me have you introduce yourself so i don't get any more of the details wrong. apologize. [applause] >> thank you. >> so good morning. >> good morning. >> can i push this down?

so i am tonya clayhouse, and i'm the policy director with the lawyers committee for civil rights under law. and i am going to be speaking to you today on behalf of the lawyers committee, but i will say that as some have already heard, i will actually be leaving the lawyers committee -- well, my last day was actually tuesday, but i'm still here on behalf of the lawyers committee. [laughter] and i will are be heading into the department of education as a deputy assistant secretary, so -- [applause] so, of course, some of the issues that i want to talk about today are dealing with school discipline. so we'll get to that as well. so i do appreciate, thank you, phillip, for the introduction and thank you for, to mr. conyers -- i don't know if

he's still here -- for allowing me to be on this panel today. identify been able to -- i've been able to participate on these panels for a while, and it's a great opportunity to have all of you all come here today and hear what things are going on because we don't often get that chance being we're here inside the beltway, but you need to understand how things are really working. and so as the lone woman up here today, i also want to talk about a couple of issues with regard to black women and policing. and some of the distifntions and unique -- distinctions and unique factors that are faced. let me, without further ado, kind of who into a few things. as the lawyers committee, our mission is to eliminate racial discrimination. we were founded by former president john f. kennedy back in 1963, and not only to eliminate racial discrimination, but to protect our civil rights laws. and part of that mandate requires that we engage on

issues that we see there is an inherent discrepancy, that there is discrimination, there's disparities that are occurring. and the criminal justice system has been one of those for years. and recently with the highlighting of what has happened at ferguson, what happened to eric garner, what happened with sandra bland, what's happened across the country, we've seen a lot more focus, you know, on some of the policing issues. but this is a larger function of what's happened in our criminal justice system, and i think we need to keep that in perspective. as a result of some of this highlighting, which we all know has been going on for years, but with the add vent of cell phones and cameras, we're seeing a lot more of that now. the civil rights commission on police reform was formed over a little, over a year ago. and we meet weekly. and one of the issues, one of the things that we do is we bring together national organizations, we bring together state organizations, the grass

roots activists, and we try to coordinate or at least have some strategy in which we can figure out what are the things that we need to be doing both from top to bottom? and so i really appreciate the conversations that we've had throughout the months with ron davis. we've had many conversations. he mows us well -- knows us well. we've had many conversations with the department of justice. in fact, we just met with them tuesday. let me inform you of a occupy couple of things. where are we on a lot of these investigations that are occurring, you know, what are the updates? how do we get this information out to people to, you know, how are things being pursued? ..

and things are happening. they are continuing implementation strategies in louisiana. this is good work to department of justice is doing. they're so much more that can be done. part of the work needs to be about policy reform. while we absolutely appreciate the president task force on 21st century police reform, there's some things we need to continue to work on. the broken windows policy engaged across the country by

many law enforcement agencies that utilize more aggressive taxes on lesser crime with the idea somehow that will stymie any further criminal activity. what we know is that leads to racial profiling and harassment at the stop and frisk policy we are aware of in new york. this is a result of these broken window policies. that is something we've got to significantly address that has to be done on a policy level that has to be fundamental changes in law enforcement agency. in addition to that, we've talked about the issues of women because we often hear about the impact profiling is having on black men, but black women have unique perspective as well because there is a dynamic, the power structure that is much different when it comes to policing of women in general. first of all we are over

sexualized at the same time we are made to feel we are overly aggressive. then the lack of respect for my lack of appreciation and the tactics engaged upon black women because of the power structures engaged. we've heard about sandra bland pulled over for changing lanes and ends up dying in police custody. obviously there is concern about what is going on and we are continuing to follow the situation. we haven't heard as much about it and many of our other sisters , regina jones, natasha mckennitt. these are all women. we had five black women that died in police custody. these are statistics we have to get out there and this could be

issued data collection we will hear more about to make sure we are getting information and so we know we don't know. right now there's so much happening across the country. i wanted to focus on where a lot of this is beginning which is the policing of men and women often begin in the school. right now there's over criminalization and school resource officers which are just policing schools. mostly within schools that have a high proportion of minority students. what happens is you have our kids being arrested with a third grader being shackled because he has an outburst. he has autism, but he was shackled and handcuffed in

school and screaming for 15 minutes because nobody understood there were other techniques that could be used to work with them. we have kids been arrested for having a volcano that exploded in the classroom and all the sudden they are vested and sent to alternative schools. we have situations where preschoolers are thrown out and suspended. what did you do in preschool? i have a 2-year-old and a six-year-old. and they are two boys. you are no boys. they're a little bit hyper. my goodness. we were growing up this is not the case. we've got to do with what is happening relationship between our children and police getting that early on and our kids are being taught not only early on to fear police, the police are being taught that our children

are not worth the race that and they are not human beings. they are older but not as potential criminals. this mentality has to stop. i urge you to think about this on a comprehensive level to think about this from the beginning. they've got to do a deal for policing, racial disparities which is leading to our school to prison pipeline. i appreciate the opportunity and i look forward and i apologize this is not a result of the changing jobs but i overbooked and i have to have another panel as well. i love you all so insane as long as i can and i want to make sure we have a wonderful opportunity to discuss. thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you for your graciousness as well.

i want to echo something tania had to say. when we look at the waistline for us men are engaging with communities, we see images of the ways in which blackmun are violated because that is what is happening on the streets. the cameras will catch that. they will not capture things happening under cover with human trafficking are sex work. that is where women are most vulnerable. as a move to reform, let's make sure we keep in mind we don't read stan chi the ways we reform law enforcement. this is a perfect note to bring gregory thomas to the front was the president of the national organization of law enforcement executives. craig enforcement executives. craig has been a forward thinker on these issues for quite some time. he's got three books, 17 blogs,

15 tweets in the last 10 minutes you should be reading. he's an innovator from the old school in a school in a central voice and making sure we are able to see the humanity of these communities and the humanity of the officers sworn to protect them. please join me in welcoming him. [applause] >> to improve police community relations come officials recommended involvement in the evaluation process to assess discriminatory practices and policies of police. they further recommended development of police units to teach entrance exams. finally they propose the establishment of departmental guidelines for field investigations, stop and frisk procedures on eyewitness identification in an effort to reduce harassment, to better

define the executive come officials recommended that police executives write and publish policy basis and it was also recommended black police executives advocate promotion procedures to ensure equal opportunity for advancement. officials also recommended black police executives seek to establish career development programs to assure upward mobility of black police officers. moreover black police executives encourage black police officers at entry-level ranks to prepare for exams by initiating study classes. lastly is recommended by police executives be accountable to the community and maybe urge to speak for the community within the department community at large. good afternoon. the recommendations i read to you would have a small bit of

paraphrasing with washington d.c. the symposium attended by 60 top ranking executives were presented in 24 states and 55 major cities. symposium held to exchange views about the high rate in black urban communities and a socioeconomic condition that leads to violence. symposium i'm referring to is held in washington d.c. december december 7 through the night, nate 276. it was during the symposium the executives was founded. i stand here now is your present of national wild horse and executives. after hearing recommendations made over 39 years ago it looks like the 19th century french critic alphonse karr got it right when he made the famous

quote the more things change the more they stay the same. recent events like those that occurred in staten island, new york, ferguson, missouri and baltimore, maryland will be seared in american history and the american conscience and days where policing went bad and have caused a tide of recommendations from policy interest groups, public policy experts and those who think they are expert on how to fix a broken law enforcement criminal justice system. here we are close to 40 years after the founding of noble and the founders of noble matt to discuss his finishes the policing we discussed today. here we are putting on our collective thinking caps to solve the problems that members of noble already knew how to solve. i'm proud. i'm practicing noble is involved in this conversation. we have been come as ron davis

mention the task force put together and said a lot of work to ensure we had the voices of members regarding the need to look at policing a different light. we've been involved in work done and also have supported congressman conyers worked to look at police reform. we are fully involved but at the same time make sure there's reasonable accountability to reach the ceiling as it relates to assessing police departments across the board. i got a phone call midday wednesday from the white house with a senior adviser to the president ms. valerie garrett called me to be alone with noble talk about what we can do to advance the conversation. noblesville involved in 1976 to ensure we get this right can have a balance conversation

about no doubt attacks being conducted by police around the country. we know that. not all police are bad. make sure we raise the level of expectation but at the same time recognize those doing it well and keep them on the forefront because i don't know a buddy in this room who expects to call 9-1-1 and nobody answers. you want someone to be there with the right context and right respect for your community in who you are. as we discussed the need for police accountability and reform, ask would not discount them forget lessons and challenges of the past because if we do we are surely doomed to repeat them. [applause] >> keep this thing humming. it is now my pleasure to introduce mr. derain mikesell. those of you on twitter are

aware the rain loves his blackness and yours in case you are ever in need of more love for your blackness. he does not speak for the movement. he speaks for himself, but when he does, many hear their voices echo. he's been a valuable voice making sure those in institutions of power with positions of authority, the capacity to change institutions in music for the good are held accountable to the voices of those not used to participating in this great democracy. it's my honor to bring him to the floor. [applause] >> i apologize for being late. many cities standing alongside.

i do have a big social media platform in august of last year with 800 followers on twitter and sort of work on the messaging movement and develop capacity. a couple points that come up often. one is the notion around community policing and it's really racially coded. community policing so often means let's have them all over communities. for so many people that made another form of surveillance that is not the policing we think about. those communities are safe not because they are flooded with police so we always want to complicate that for people when people talk about communities it often means something racially coded. the police are in community if they play basketball and went oncommon neighbor has to be safer if and what we say is you

don't need to know my name not to harm me. those kids walking to school, the police are escorting them saying let's go play basketball. the notion is raised is always at play. i was on another panel where somebody said join the police and be part of the change. think about joining the police department if you want to be a part of the change. i don't need to be a police officer for the police to do their job well. i don't need to be a doctor to expect great health care expect great health care. we can press on the institution because it is a public institution. [applause] i also want to complicate the way we think about crime. i was on another panel and one of the police numbers president

said police know where the crime is. that was her response. i said the police are not in wall street and the upper west side where people are selling and. the response was what's complicate what we've been crime. with black people cried mrs. big pervasive thing. with non-black people, crime becomes domestic violence. it becomes insider trading. but with lack people there's a pervasiveness of crime and people use the argument to talk about baltimore, the notion that this used to be unsafe and i would say the response to violence isn't violence. it's not to oppress and harm people. this fascinating research i'll put up here to talk about

implicit bias and police in testing and research that came came -- i think this is yours. i was like that is hidden. but about testing masculine insecurity and to better predict their, faster research and sampson out of harvard has come up with interesting research that pushes back and we believe that is important. he's arguing a public disorder. what he is same as the private disorder is leading to violence in communities. the idea is interpersonal drama, domestic abuse come out and let disputes never going to violence but the myth of the person hiding behind a car ready to steal your purse is not what is

fleeting and it's an interesting thing to explore. can we work with police and we believe we can. that requires acknowledgment from the police and their staff to be worked on. it is always a conditional apology. we have replaced the protesters. bush is not a pepper sprayed the man who just had his hands. that is how we ever approach them. so police are willing to come to the table with a full acknowledgment of the things they might not done, i don't know how we work together. we just had a great meeting the other day and that was so many people and it requires a willingness to tell the truth about the actions. i will end with two things one

the response to donald police we agree that something about the institution of policing problematic for so many people. campaign zero.org is policy solutions because we believe we can make structurally police violence and live in a world were they kill people every day this year except for nine days in all states victory. we have a problem and believe we can and the structurally. the safety communities does not predicate as an expansive notion and we need to de-center the way we think about what it means to be saved so safety becomes about jobs and workforce development. georgetown is not a has police are there. i will talk about police contracts but this is an institution of policing.

a lot of cities discipline is removed in one or two or three year cycles. it is not because they didn't do anything or never disciplined. they are literally purged. a lot of cities where they can get statements in the first 40 hours. all these protections guarantee there won't be accountability and we do something fair. chicago forget a lie detector test, the person accused has to pass that that is not a standard held to any of the people police arrest. we want to complicate the conversation and we struggle with things like community policing in the way the police come to the table to talk about how to move forward. so i'm thankful and i apologize for being late. [applause]

>> all kinds of people discovered today. the next introduction is my privilege should make is hillary shelton. i will read the formal title. and a defense to go ahead and have your moment. currently serves as director of the naacp's senior vice president and formally as the 101st senator. he's been instrumental in bringing forward the civil rights act of 91. the voting rights restoration act and react in these to be restored and civil justice and rights in race. hillary shelton is in a part of. join me in welcoming the men, the mets, the legend. [cheers and applause] >> good morning. i am honored to be here and i'm going to sprint through a

marathon. as they talk about the issues is a challenge that requires a conference of approach and quite frank i am honored to sit on this panel because so much about we talk about now is to research, assessment and implementation done by many of those here. sitting next to quite frankly ron davis for me is almost like this tori here by the weekend fishermen about the big ones that got away. i'm the weekend fishermen and he has shown off from the bible. i appreciate that in the work done going way back in the brothers and sisters on the panel now. but that i'd be remiss if i didn't think john conyers. lord have mercy, john conyers. every single piece of legislation john conyers led the charge. we were delighted to be better as the issues were very much

taking care of and able to be involved in addressing the turns as well. we really have to talk about the issue of ending racial profiling. mr. conyers has introduced the end racial profiling not. on the table and i hope i'm your way out new-paragraph this packet. we will discuss them during the contents of this conversation. i hope you'll grab it because the understanding and explanation of these as a solution or in this packet. this meeting and discussion is laying down the foundation and understanding that the issues are embedded approach must be taken. that will require us on this moment and beyond to be actively involved in a process stalled for years and years a good commonsense approaches approaches to address community policing problems in society.

would've lost the trust them the trust them unfortunate because we have many police officers that involve themselves in racial profiling. we stopped there for a hot second. when i say racial profiling in this fascinating to read fascinating to meet the man who led the charge i hope you will give them another huge round of applause for congressman john conyers. [applause] thank you so much. i simply asked them to collect the data so they can address issues from a good policing approach. there's not one line for snipers and that will tell you we need to change the policy without data. he told me all the time they did a least the time good date of the law enforcement. for some reason, some of those have stopped us from collecting the data. i will never forget our good friend i'll call them by their names because a lot of time has passed. our friends at the police union,

sop. it was on the tip of your time, too. the fraternal order of police when we introduced a data collection bill. they said mr. conyers we oppose your bill to collect data on routine traffic stops and then not the reason is we do not want police officers quote and unquote involved in sociological experiments. on one hand we want data to craft a policy. that's a real problem and that's why the bill is so crucial. by defining the terms for collect data and holding on person accountable and making sure they do what they do not target us. those who drove down highway 95 in the last i.d. number years ago predetermine 17% of the population is african-american

delaware 70% of routine traffic stops them african-american. we have a real problem, but omit the data will tell. thank you for making sure that happens. [applause] we have to change policies around policing. training is only as good as the pols need so in essence we don't have good solid policy and what we do when they get stopped by police officers at what point can they use force leading to deadly force. we've all been quite amazed including a 12-year-old kid on the playground that for some reason it became acceptable with the weather was the chief spokesperson, coming to the microphone and say they didn't buy the book. everything they did was right. it was consistent with the law. i thank god john conyers recognize that as well. if you think that is what the law says, we have to change the

law. as we move, law-enforcement trust and integrity will now set policies to certain forms of force. when should they use that? how should they use that, when can they pull the gun and when is it acceptable? it is not acceptable for a police officer to pull up to a playground because a the kid was reported that a plane with a gun on the playground at 12 years of age and within two seconds shoot them twice in the chest. it's a problem in leadership steps forward and says this is okay. he didn't buy the book. we have a dead 12-year-old kid playing with his toy gun and at what point is it acceptable for a child to play with this choice is not not in the playground, i don't know where it is. thank you, mr. conyers for your leadership as well. and essence we do want body

cans. we thank god for -- can spare to want to make sure policies are in place and monsters now using them in somehow they become obstructive at a time in which the most controversial issues occur. policies must be in place for how they use those must have been. not despair. the naacp wants gotten cams and user cams. many of us thought the teaser with a nonlethal form in these cases. we had to case two months ago where young man was to serve one and three more times before they stopped. the cause of death wasn't the teaser for his up his muscles fell off the roof. it wasn't that he was a pregnant woman taste and it led to premature delivery. it wasn't a childless days died

as a result of it. he was taste were times in the official cause of death, electrocution. we talk about these issues and the camera as well in the teaser has been make in one of those for 10 years. we want all those things recorded to keep us safe and police as well. make sure we have in our community's police accountability review boards and not the whitewash stuff we've been seeing for the head of police department collects data and reports back to the police chief would have been. that is like saying brother shelton if you have a problem with the irs, it is on you. what i should be able to say is great i will do a full review of my taxes. i will do a duplicate report. i will share it with you it with the windfall fund doublespaced to know exactly what happened and i can tell you every single

case not only did i not pay enough taxes, you owe me a whole lot of money back. having internal affairs of police departments overseeing police behavior is wrong and it has to stop. has been helpful in some cases but not in these cases. too many cases say the same thing. the policy is fine. that's the way it goes. in the document is a number of policy principles we recommend that includes everything from collecting data, independence. he should not going to complain about the police officer that you up on the street. we've had cases in which we did testing. we ascend well-trained people into the police department to ask for the form to complain about police misconduct.

i love google. go on the internet and google cases in what you see as a young see as the young men well-trained asking nicely for the record, a form to fill out. but as he stood there at the desk sergeant said i won't give you a form until you tell me what you're complaining about. he said nicely i don't want to talk about it right now. i want to take it home and fill it out. he said i won't let you do that until you come it was happening. my response ability to oversee police officers. i don't want to talk about it now. i want to fill it out and take it home. another police officer walked up about door, went around the corner to come in the front door. at the time the young man was asking nicely for the form. he was tackled to the ground before asking for the form to complain. independence is important. the power to subpoena is

important. the power to compel a grand jury is important. to bring the indictment of what the federal court is also important. is an essay to my things and then i'm out and i look forward to the conversation we will have. we for the first time passed a bill to collect data in december 2014 on u.s. citizen that die at the hands of police officers. it was not collected before then. we did not have data to see how pervasive the problem is. because it is, because president obama moved with the policies in place and the regulations promulgated and to collect data every time one of our children, brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers are harmed by police in our society. make sure we have the proper data to make sure we do it

right. thank you so much. [applause] >> i feel the need to pass the offering plate now. next up is chief richard rick hayek and the indianapolis metro police department. before he was chief in indianapolis, he had a special position in the police department, president of the vanguard just a society with the organization that represented by police officers in baltimore pd. i don't know if he was big about it today but ask him about the experience. please join me in welcoming him today. [applause] >> i think it is still morning. good afternoon. i was asking myself how i would start the conversation.

i'm going to be brave and take you back on the course of a 37-year-old cop who remembers as a child healthy kidney told these to raise children in our community. how many people remember a time time -- when people dialed 9-1-1 for one reason or another. how many people remember a time when we didn't have 9-1-1? what do we dial when we needed police? we dial zero. those don't remember the rotary phone before all the other phones that came after that. we dial zero under one

condition. in an emergency. the only time you dial zero is in an emergency. what did we do before we dial zero? we had to fix the problem, didn't we? we have to talk about it, share a community and family but we worked on fixing the problem. the question i have to ask is why did we stop fixing the problem? reality was a lot was happening and it was power back then when police were sent to but doorways, colleges, universities and prevent people of color from education. why would we think we would not have to continue maintaining a sense of order and understanding. we had to have conversations

before we dial zero. in 1968 i remember as a young man in school officer friendly came to class. and talk to you and spend time with you. april 41968 came in at a chance to see officer friendly and another leg standing on broadway as a young man, watching him.his different uniform putting on his flak vest, his shield, helmet and ride stake, telling us, forcing us, making us get off the street. i realized officer friendly as more than one job in our community. how do we go about the business of understanding what that looks like it making a difference. the third day in 1980 the whole notion of community policing took off. willie williams and other people

talked about it because it was important to talk about community relationships. 1937 the police officer had to have a hearing that people of color came from miles around and stood up by the officer's houses of black officers waited for them to go to work. they were prodded the fact fact they were police officers. why did we stop sending people who will make a difference in our community? why did we stop paying attention to those things that are important before we dial zero or 9-1-1 why are we using our police and the way we know for fact they don't have the tools to address the issue of society. the 1980s also brought a change about how we look at mental health.

what happened to the institution in 1980s? they close them down. who decided on for submission e. the orderlies and jails because an institution we take people too. i am a believer in the solution-based outcomes. we have to look at how we started this and how we got here. how manipulates her sons don a uniform to faithfully and diligently without partiality to the best of my ability so help me god. how many people are willing to do that? raise your hand if you are willing to send a relative into law enforcement these days. that's about the number we receive are really, really care

about changing the culture of law enforcement. we have to be involved. it can no longer have it be a spec caters for. at my age i can tell you that came from baltimore, spent 32 years and we try to make a difference. i saw a difference come up prejudice. now several call. [laughter] i even got on the street. we had to deal with people but the description back in those days and how people would choose the natives as restless. who were the natives? or are those of us who endured that because we fought against it and vanguard was created in 1971 as an organization that fought against oppression

because it started inside the police department. if we allow that of roll call, we knew what you're facing on the street. people like mr. conyers and hillary and others in the naacp who are still behind us support us. it came at a price. there's the platform to speak out about injustice. what happens when you speak out? we speak out about injustice. every prepared to stand behind them and support them? or are we also going to stand behind those officers who caught officers who go out of business to do more than drugs, guns and money to talk about in front of the media that says the tactical side of police's recruitment. look at the video and you see a

period or are we encouraging kids want to watch the police officer and talk to him. you don't want to be caught snitching in the neighborhood. are we willing to do what is necessary, ladies and gentlemen, to make a difference in our society? if so, why did we stop? the other thing is we move forward through vanguard, through mobile and became the organization that recognize there needs to be leadership. i'm proud of the direct terror and the efforts they do and making sure there is a difference in policing today. we have to have a voice larger than this firm. we have to have executives. only 83 departments of a thousand or more in terms of

police officers work it occupied. the question becomes what does the next leader look like to you? i believe they bring about the brain trust necessary but in doing and it comes at a price. we lost one in cincinnati last week. a very good chief, a hard-working man deserving of leadership. he should be achieved somewhere in this country and i hope he comes back. it's important to pay attention to those in the forefront taking the headset comes at a price. lastly in indianapolis and had an opportunity be deputy director. i did not want to give back your mom forstmann. i saw a couple things happened. i saw a man whose face was brutally beaten in a community divided over that involving a police officer in an accident where he struck motors on the

motorcycle until then i'm the question is if we stand by and watch it happen, we will have chaos in our community. we have to find a way to bridge the gap but we also have to have the conversation about accountability on both sides. we have to have transparency and data. we don't have the money necessary to do all the 21st century police report but a blueprint for change in this country. we need your help of grants and money to talk about body cams. by the way, everyone loves them, right? raise your hand if you want a body can and you want to see them in your community? everyone talks about body cams. raise your hand if it's good on car stops.

what about when it comes to your home? do you trust big brother to come in with the camera and walk through your front door? people wearing scantily clad close. my family is scantily clad in the middle of the night. are you going to turn the camera off, chief? what's the answer? do you want on or off? your next-door neighbor wants that video, by the way. do we give it to them? this is what we need to talk about policies and practices among forstmann and ask ourselves what we want to see.

[applause] >> the next individual to introduce as a man here 17 different hats. benny napoleon from wayne county, michigan is not only one forstmann, but an naacp member. also has his own private lives. also a part-time professor. also basketball coach, mentor, father of someone pursuing her masters degree and a tremendous progress to develop tremendous progress and then all of a sudden someone i've heard asked the question the last time in a black freedom struggle we asked for more state surveillance. when does that happen? if we do that, we must be in a new moment with new leadership. please join me in welcoming shared any napoleon. [applause] >> good afternoon.

thank you,.or failed. the real doc are filled. i've been told the attorney general's arrivals imminent and i can speak as long as i want to as long as i'm done in five minutes. i will be briefer than maybe i had anticipated. i'd like to thank congressman conyers and the congressional black caucus are putting together [applause] this very important discussion. i was interested as i heard phil talk about my career. after hearing everybody i've been doing is 41 years now an aside to the back and see 41 years later we are still having the same discussions. the same issues we've talked about among forstmann do matter how progressive we have tried to

be as we've achieved leadership as african-americans in this great nation leading the largest police departments in the country. we have challenges. those challenges have not gone unnoticed. we have recruiting issues. what goes than determines how good it is coming out. if you fail your recruiting effort to bring the rice spokesman, you're not going to have the right agency. fire chief hayek talk about officer friendly. i would like to have known officer friendly as a young man growing up in the city of detroit, but we didn't have any officer friendly is. we had a very challenging police agency, one that did not represent the community that it was serving. that is why recruiting is important. something as simple as being willing to live in the community

you want to police is critical, yet we no longer require it in the city of detroit. as i was challenging residencies in the elimination of a has chief of police going to lawmakers to say this is bad policy, how is it that a person could live 100 miles away from the city 90% african american and a community that doesn't look anything like the community they want to police. and visit that city on a 10 times in their life and then become a police officer in it. there's something wrong with that policy. education is key. training, supervision, and discipline. we are in turbulent times, folks. it is worse than it was in the 60s.

the sad part is there are people who think everything is okay. you heard how some leadership says what you saw is all right. policy will follow. i can tell you as i go to my seed and i want to be brief because i'm going to respect the attorney general, that there is not one person sitting on this podium believes selling cigarettes on the street of this nation should warrant a death sentence. [applause] not one believes are running from police in this country warrants a death sentence. [applause] there is not one person sitting here who believes that surrender it with your hands up deserves a death sentence. [applause] we want to change things. thank you.

[applause] >> i was given the high sign that the internals approach was imminent and i pass that along. you will forgive us if we are eager for her arrival and perhaps either by a couple extra minutes. so with that, thank you very much. it is my pleasure while i watched the door to make sure i get to take this pleasure right now. those of us who grew up in communities where there were church elders, mosque elders, community others would not just wisdom for us, the genius that went untapped because of the ways in which the eyes of the country avoided the humanity of our community. you will about the person i am talking about, right?

if lawrence, uncle willie and related to nobody in the community, but they and florence or uncle willie. that genius has darted to be able to come through. i want to introduce one of those geniuses to you enron stock. ron scott had more than 40 years of experience and has recently won the unsung heroes award. not just for cofounding the local chapter of the black panther party and not just sitting on the institute for having genius that can translate experiences of communities and make it legible for people who are aliens to it, strangers to her. she has just issued a blogging pamphlet on what to do about police abuse of force. i highly recommend you talk to him about that.

he will give you the url when we get to it. everybody's bio is incredibly impressive. this is 5.5 and double sided. i want you to understand we have an icon as we continue to reexport and we understand are in history, we will grow in our appreciation. please join me in welcoming ron scott. [applause] >> thank you very much. i like to live is the thank congressman conyers for being on the front line. and that the congressman shortly after he went to congress and we both invited to mueller battles good i'm glad to be here every year to do this. three or four years ago when i was here i mentioned police militarization. people looked at it, thought

about it and said yeah, militarization. i guarantee you in the next two years will be talking about it and it turns in it. it happened. it didn't happen because it was seen on television or somebody caught it on video but we were experiencing at the time. i urge you when you deal with these things, listen to the people in your community who are fighting these battles every day, every night, all the time. think about those dark hours that go into and make friends with brothers and murder children when i see people on the floor i think about those things and it's not a television scenario. it is what we do every day. make your life committed to fighting for justice, safety and the end of violence. the end of violence on both fans

is not just the police because we have another primary entity called peace zones for life or would intervene and resolve in on foot before the police got there because 80% of the calls they have our domestic violence, then i'm end, women on women and so forth and we found a guy who was shot by the police before it was over because of a domestic violence situation and we didn't have a big model. and he should some time. baby mama and her family and the family of business crawford went to shoot each other. we had to have two funerals. that helped us develop peace

zones for life for redo conflict resolution and mediation and economic development so we can resolve issues before the police got there. how was that other people in the country can resolve conflict before it happens and we turn around and say okay, we have to call the police. that's the only option we have. sheriff napoleon would rather get their can resolve it and appear as all. i will be very short. we have been spent on the decided future of were two people were going to shoot each other. we started resolving the conflict. by the time police got there they were called for a fight between 40 people. by this time the people in the neighborhood, people at the liquor store. they said no we intervened. we resolved it. we stopped the fight. the unit of the fight was

between? the neighborhood underground pharmaceutical operator and he had to keep his streak read and the 16-year-old stole a bike. not the neighborhood underground pharmaceutical operator is working on what we have and he is running a barbecue outfit. [applause] now the other thing as the secretary comes here, i want to say this loud and clear. we had a federal consent decree, sheriff napoleon will remember in detroit is come along still to some degree. police departments that do not comply on a daily level, they get a lot of money from the justice department.

the money from the justice department, anything from jackets to whatever else, the money should not go to them. i don't mean after he disintegrate. i mean when they apply for it, the multi-jurisdictional task force. we just had a guy killed in detroit by ice multi-jurisdictional task force. they spent 100 or 10 days before the information was released. no transparency. many of the other agencies involved in that said the young man had a weapon. i don't know whether he did or not. the prosecutor didn't go forward with it. nonetheless 113 days, family members saw the shooting have to wait before they get information. essentially the money --

sheriff, some of them are decent, some of them are not. the money should be withheld until such time as there is some clarity about shooting confrontations in that one. finally i'll close with this. we talk about policing. in detroit we had an entity not policed at all. we have an entity that you can establish police authority and they are sometimes run by security guards. they are not police. we have a guy who's eyeing up on the property in detroit. he has the police authority the future you will see a war. you'll see more of that, more diminishment of what we call public safety and law enforcement and more police authority.

essentially as we look at policing we have to expand our framework in terms of how we deal with this particular matter. frankly i don't use the term don't use a term for peace that much anymore. i use public safety because if you haven't read it, sir robert peel led nine principles -- officers in here know what i'm talking about, nine principles of policing started in the london metropolitan police department in 1829. she said people are the police and the police or the people. .. big mama back in the equation. you have to make sure that we resolve these things ourselves. we have to make sure that we have strong in resolving that we are as a strong in resolving our