shouldn't be held to the same standards and in fact mr. chairman i think we should have a hearing on that is a separate issue but just answer the question. should epa be held to the same standards in which you are going to hold a private corporation and? >> all i can say serve because i'm not familiar with all the details but i certainly have seen and read it and have taken full responsibility for the situation there actively working on it. i want to acknowledge from the gentleman from virginia and texas counted my neighboring state it's nice to see them get the accolades for doing such good work. now ms. castor for five minutes. >> the epa issued another violation against volkswagen. the notice alleges certain volkswagen and audi cars from model years 2009 to 2015 includes software to circumvent a paid emission standards for

certain air. according to epa the software produced by volkswagen is a defeat device as designed at the clean air act. mr. grundler i understand vw admitted in august and selling the defeats devices on their vehicles. that is correct right? that sector at? >> i would describe it in mid-to-late august california and we got a heads up that they have in fact installed a defeat device and we were officially notified on september 3. >> and what specifically did vw tell epa they had done to the circumvent emission standards? >> we were told that abdul and engine control unit which allow the vehicle to operate one-way when it was being tested by the epa and a completely different way when the vehicle is on the road. >> you have to vw provided epa with an engine map that showed specifically how they defeat

device work for each model car in which it was installed? >> that is my understanding but i would like to doublecheck doublecheck that for you. >> i understand the affected vehicles fall into three generations based on a model in the year. the defeat devices may work differently for each generation of vehicle. mr. grundler at this point the epa is a full understanding of how the defeat devices work in each of these generations of vehicle's? >> we still have many questions for volkswagen to answer. >> okay, so what else do you need and has vw been helpful? what else do they need to provide to the epa to give you the information that you need? >> the information we are focused on now like a laser is what are they going to do to address these excess emissions and take the software off of these vehicles so that they comply? we don't need to know specifically how they cheated

with each line of code. we have got some information on that but the most important thing going forward is that those defeat devices are removed , that these vehicles are dressed in a way that will work for consumers and the environment. >> but you said you have learned some lessons here. the cpa have the expertise right now in-house or do you hire consultants? >> we don't need to unpack 100 million lines of code to find these defeat devices. the bottom line is is testing them in comfortable ways so that we activate these devices. that's the bottom line is what's coming out of the tailpipe and doesn't meet our standards. >> are you taking broader actions now that you have learned these lessons about how software codes can be deceptively used to avoid emission standards? do you have the entities to go and look at other codes in automobiles? >> yes we do. >> are great -- are you going to do that? >> yes we are.

we have a number of different kinds of testing we do. we test every new model of vehicle. i'm sorry we require the manufacturers to test every new model vehicle and submit the data to us which we review along with the design. we otted a certain percentage of those by testing them in our laboratory on prescribed test cycles and we also audit by measuring real-world emissions using these multiple devices and it's going to be going forward a combination of both laboratory . we know how to download the software as well as this real-world monitoring. >> and with respect to vw does the epa know yet whether the vw can successfully fix the cars here in the u.s.? >> we don't know that yet. >> vw has a number of internal and external -- has volkswagen

agreed to sharing those results? >> they have not. let me defer to my colleague here. >> have you asked them? >> they have not agreed at this time. >> have you asked them? whether or not they would share that information with the epa? >> we have outstanding official document request and we will be promulgating more of those. today we learned this morning from this morning session about what particular investigation and that is certainly one. >> we you submit if vw does not provide the results of their internal investigation? and two represented to get -- >> i'm sorry we do have another question. >> i just wanted to make one point and submit with unanimous consent that through the executive director through clean transportation the nonprofit

that discovered the issues the easiest solution is to give epa the more resources so they can perform the real world testing which is maybe more expensive but you said you don't want to rely on investigation of a small ngo to trigger one of the largest recalls around. >> we have three members that need to ask questions and we have eight minutes and 30 seconds so if you could shorten your questions in respect for the other members we would appreciate if you would do so. doctors bucshon. >> the agency announced it would be conducting additional testing to evaluate defeat devices in all vehicles. what are the current status is of the testing testing? >> thank you for that question. her first priorities to test all diesel vehicles. we are in the midst of that type type -- testing. we teamed up with environment

canada both who have the capabilities. >> how many vehicles have you tested so far? >> we are still testing testinge first batch of vehicles. >> what have you seen so far? >> i have not seen any data yet. >> what criteria are using and what is the procedure for implementing the testing? >> we are being careful not to share with the automakers how we are going to do this new testing because we want to be unpredictable but it will be a combination of both. these five cycles that we test today what we call off cycle ted onboard monitoring. >> does this include all light duty vehicles are just diesel technology? >> we are starting with diesels. >> would you be willing to commit to keeping the committee informed of your progress and associated details regarding data and results? >> yes. >> do you think but this is an

isolated incident or do you have concerns with diesel technology in general? >> i don't have concerns with diesel technology in general. i don't expect to find widespread problems but we will be taking a very close look. >> i yield back mr. chairman. >> ms. schakowsky and we asked members we have a lot of questions and we only have six minutes to get to the floor. >> mr. grundler whose job is it to make consumers whole? >> we are not the type of consumer protection agency. their other federal and state agencies that have that responsibility but as i testified earlier to consumers going to be essential to how we are reviewing the options to adjust these excess emissions. >> let me ask you the excess emissions are violating the epa standards, right? >> correct. >> we just heard testimony from

both and i have a letter to owners that says you can still drive them. so under what authority does the epa say that these cars that these cars are emitting 10 to 40 times the allowed amount to continue to be on the road? >> the responsibility and the liability for those excess emissions lies with volkswagen and that's why we are conducting this investigation learning what the remedy is in pursuing litigation to address them are mental harm. >> yorty said the state if they were to bring their car and for some reason the seat device is not on than the consumer actually could be responsible for the increased emissions. is that right? >> is their understanding and belief that this defeat device will also defeat those inspections and we do not expect

these vehicles to be called in for an annual or biannual inspection to fail. >> so in the meantime though there are half a million cars running around that are emitting greater emissions so what then does the epa due? we heard it could be for a year or maybe more than a year before there's any real fix. >> i don't know how long it's going to take to get the real fix but the goal of our enforcement action will certainly be to make the environment whole. that is our job. >> so you know already that there are half a million cars that consumers have been told they can legally drive that are emitting more than -- so what's happening now to hold them accountable for that? you know that they are all ready over the line. >> the owners of these vehicles are innocent in this matter.

and we are working intently with california and the cup company to identify how to make these vehicles compliant. once we are confident that we have the right remedy we will order those recalls and it will be the company's responsibility to fix those vehicles. >> in the meantime will they be penalized for these noncompliant cars? >> the consumer's? >> know, the company. >> no. that will be the result of our ongoing investigation. that is what will be determined by the ongoing investigation. >> what part don't you know already? what part don't you know already? you know that all those cars are exceeding your rules. i don't get it. >> there are many things we don't know. we don't know the why, the wet, though where who's responsible. >> you know the fact of it. >> the fact is that volkswagen

designed and installed the legal software. >> and the consequence you know, that they are emitting all these extra emissions. >> we have not done a calculation yet but we know they can be from anywhere from 10 to 40 times. on the map to figure out what those excess are and how we are going to mitigate them. >> i yield back. >> ms. clark you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. i would like to pick up on the point is raised by my colleague ms. schakowsky with respect to the emissions testing testing. new york state is one of the states that requires emission te a vehicle fails the emissions test you can be fined so we know that because of this defeat device most like week those vehicles would not be detected.

>> right. >> however that doesn't change the fact that under normal circumstances these vehicles would not be permitted on the road said to have your agencies say well because it's not your fault that they can't drive doesn't seem to undermine the state's requirement for certain emissions levels to be contained for you to then undermine bats with the ability for people notwithstanding the fact that most people when their vehicle has an emissions problem don't recognize it and don't typically think it's difficult it up however we have to remedy it before we put our people on the road otherwise we are fine. you see figures in those figures indicate whether our vehicles are in compliance. here we have the self driving

vehicles running around in certain jurisdictions that would fail that under normal circumstances. how do you reconcile that? >> the fines are a matter of state law. the way to reconcile that is to identify an effective remedy and once that remedy is fix those vehicles will pass the state inspections and those owners will not be subject to fines. >> the challenge is the fact that this has been happening with vehicle since 2009. we have no idea when the remedy is going to be cooked up. we don't know if the remedy is going to be hard and fast, something that we can rely on. we are hoping that there's going to be testing. there is going to be concern going forward because of the deception of how often this occurred. we are talking about software here, right? >> that's right.

>> how do we reconcile that and let me ask in addition to that are we able to determine those states that do require -- you know california for instance. how many vehicles, how many of the 500,000 vehicles are registered with the state and what is the immediate impact to the environment of the people that reside in those states? i we been able to get a sense of that? >> that's all going to be determined as a result of our investigation. it is notable where these vehicles reside and it's not knowable how they're going to be fixed. we want to have the confidence that it's going to be effective but that will require some time. c do anticipate that you will be hearing from states attorney general and other concerned entities within these states, probably their own them are mental protection organization at the state level to try to get

a handle around this because you know there are certain areas where this type of emissions exacerbates already troubled circumstances for individuals who have helped compromise and we see a sense of urgency for dealing with this. >> we have already heard from state attorneys general and state environmental -- i met with all the environmental directors this week in new orleans the air direct your are concerned and they want to help and they are very anxious as her week to identify how these excess air pollution will be mitigated and that will all go into part of how we are going to resolve this once and for all he >> you have been able to complete your analysis if you can get to this committee of rape down by state that would be very helpful.

we have public health issues that have been exacerbated in some form or fashion based on clusters where these cars reside we would like to choubey back in some form or fashion to making the changes that occur in the atmosphere as a result of maybe a cluster of ownership in a particular jurisdiction. i think that's going to be very important to know. >> we will do whatever we can to serve the committee's work here. c very well. >> i want to add the questions ms. clarke just gave. when you get anti-tampering laws and fines them also whether it's the criminal penalty under the aspects among those lines we would appreciate as you get this information for us that's helpful for the committee. asking them as consent for the contents of the document to be introduced into the record and authorize staff to make appropriate redaction so without objection did documents will be

appropriate redaction's as appropriate. i want to thank the witnesses for coming today. we appreciate your time and attention in this difficult matter that it's important to us and thank you for your testimony and members the committee rules provide the members have 10 days submit additional questions to the record from the witnesses and we hope we will respond to that. with that, this meeting is adjourned.

more works with white house coverage with businessman donald trump a and the labels conference in washington d.c. and spoke for just under 45 minutes. [applause] ♪ c thank you dear friends. it's great to be back up here. i have as i say in washington a the higher honor of introducing the next presidential candidate who is unique in many ways.

just to give you a hand he is the only candidate that uses the word be there for his name. the donald trump is a surprise phenomenon of this presidential campaign. consistently leading the national and state polls of republican candidates as he himself has occasionally pointed out. but those polls are important and relevant and half a message that is important and relevant for all of us of our public opinion today. many people obviously see donald trump as the best vehicle to express the most common emotions of this intense and unusual campaign which our disappointment disdain and anger towards the status quo in

washington. those same emotions and opinions are exactly what led to the creation of no labels. but as you know no labels is not a campaign for a candidate. we are a national campaign for an idea which is to make america's government work for the people of america again. [applause] donald trump's life gives us at least two great lessons and very consistent with what no labels is about. he has had a very successful career in real estate and we all know he successful not to cost he knocks buildings down but has he built buildings up and we need leaders in america today who will build up america's government again. secondly, we need leaders who

can agree on some big goals and associate the details to get them accomplished. this candidate has had some experience negotiating deals. in fact he wrote a book called the art of the deal. nobody in washington seems able to negotiate a deal on anything is basic as even the budget so i hope that maybe donald trump will talk to us today about the lessons of his negotiating skills and private life can teach him and every other candidate running this year about how to is he might it make america great again. whatever he talks about i want to say how grateful we had no labels are that he is adjusted his schedule to be with us today and how glad i am now to introduce to you and

incidentally he's not here to fire any of you. he is here, i've been authorized to say to fire you up. ladies and gentlemen the donald trump. [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> thank you very much everybody. this is so nice, wow. no labels, that's right. i'm a believer. you know john and joe called and they said would you do it? is it too much and i said well i think i will be able to. they explained what no labels represented and we all know that's where we have to go in this country because we are getting nothing done whatsoever so i said i think so. i'm pretty sure i'm going to be able to do it so they said the next day they announce i will be

there without question, right? they are tough negotiators. so i had another problem. it was quite a bit of a problem and i told them i wouldn't do it and they were problem solvers and they went. they were not happy. is that right joan john? they were not happy people and ultimately i said they have gone a little over that 50% level and so here i am, right? here i am. [applause] and i love new hampshire and as joe said the latest poll came out, 32, 32 to 14 or 13 or so, think its 13 and i have a 32 which is even better. somebody said what he talk about the polls and i said because i'm winning. they go but nobody else has ever talked about the polls. that's because they do love in the polls. nobody talks about the polls, believe me if they were doing while they be talking about the polls. we had 32-13 and that's a big

gap and that's in new hampshire and we are here a lot. so many people have so many questions in new hampshire. they are amazing people, so thank you all. i really appreciate it. so when we talk about no labels and we talk about getting long and i'm not going to say it too much because tip o'neill and ronald reagan he probably here with every speaker but i look at that as fales. two people different views, different everything and they like each other and they get along. and they get things done and they had a leader in ronald reagan. ultimately it is about the person. much more about the present than you can imagine. the president is a leader. he or she is a real leader they will get things done but you need the leadership to come from the very pentacles from the very top and if it doesn't it's not going to happen and that's not happening now. it's not happening now.

people are getting together and i see it. i have been actually doing this for a long time. a lot of people say i was very establishment. i would use so much money. when i decided to run i was anti-establishment. can you believe this? we can't take a chance on a loss. i watched previously to in particular and the last time i was seriously thinking about doing it i decided not to because i thought it was a race that could have been won, should have been won and i don't want that to happen again. i don't want it to happen again because i think it's really if you look at what happened four years ago, timing was right, everything was right and it should have should have been done. well it's going to be down this time and hopefully is going to be done by me and i think we are going to have a result it's going to be great. we are going to turn around the

country and made america great again and that's what's going to happen. i looked at a couple of things that i thought would be appropriate and i'm thinking back on my career. when i was young, a young man in new york we had a problem called the skating rink. it took eight years. everyone knows the roller skating rink. they now study it in all the business schools. they are all nodding their heads, we all studied it. i didn't study it but i did it. the one private enterprise and we had rants. it wasn't such a little deal. it was an 80,000-foot rink. it was a very big rink and the government under mayor koch, they couldn't get a bill. he was a renovation that was the bin built and after eight years and i had a daughter growing up she kept saying that i want to go ice skating and year after year i said ivanka.

anyone ever hear of i thank a? she's great but she said can i go ice skating. for seven years i said i can't. there is no eyes and i go over to the rink and i see the man and they would be sitting down. they had lunch breaks and they would take four or five hours, hundreds of guys sitting down. i said that's terrible. after the seventh year i went to koch and i said i can do this thing fast. they were using the wrong everything and i met with the unions. i met with people that new refrigeration. they were doing refrigeration or the engineer was based in miami, florida. i said, it's true and they were using freon. that means if you have a little tiny hole and 30 miles of pipe, little tiny hole it's not going to work. it will go well. so i called up the montréal

canadiens ice hockey and i say could i ask you a question? who does your rink? we have somebody based in montréal. i said now we are talking. and he came in, great guy, came in and they look at what was happening. he immediately said you can't use freon. it will freeze and it won't work you have to use brine. do you know what brian is? its water with salt in it. how simple could i get? on top of everything else it that was much less expensive. ed koch said you'd do it. the new york people all know what i'm talking about. .. copper.

before jan, you have to use copper. is not good. you want one contiguous pour. i had tracks from the rink all the way back to harlem. 125th street. 24 hours, pouring during the day, pouring during the night. 26 hours and 25 minutes. we board one contiguous pour. it healed beautifully. in the city did it, they had on one side 1.5 feet of water, on the other side, no water. they could not make ice for a lot of reasons. when i talked about the price, the biggest problem i had was demolition. that was the biggest cost. i had to demolish everything that was done. i got it done. gott everyone together, we it done. to this day, it is the most successful i skating rink.

i still run it. the city does not want to take any chances. i've run it for many years. it is the number one ice rink in the world will stop i was talking to john -- the number one ice rink in the world. i was talking to john. the beauty of it is, i did it in four months. i did it for $1.8 million. the city had spent over $3 million. i always say, most of it was demolition. that is what happens. with the country. believe me, you can do things people have no idea. apart.ds are falling our bridges. our tunnels. our airports. i just left laguardia airport. it is third world. it is horrible. to look at it, you go out the runways, it is wearable.

i go to places because i travel all over the world. i have so many relationships, partnerships, complicated stuff. in thethe richest people world. i am partners with many of them. you go to qatar, you go to all the different places, all over china. go to bahrain. saudi arabia. you see airports, you have never seen anything like it. build temporary airports while they are building the big one that are 100 times nicer than anything we have in this country. we have lost it. happened,al that just and again getting everybody together, the bronx, right outside of manhattan, and most a you read about it, they had 350 acre of land on the water. on the east river. the east river is great. people have apartments there, right?

into 500 50 acres. five minutes outside of manhattan, right up the manhattan ramp. they had been building the golf course for 30 years. i think. somebody said, it is really not 30, it is 21 years. ok, 21. whether it is 30, 21, or 30. it has been under construction for many years. we believe the cost is over $300 million. the mayor said to me, what do you think it should cost? i said, about 7 million. i believe the cost is over 300 million. mayor bloomberg said, you have to help us. they went to an rfp. i have a long-term deal. i took it over, got it done in less than one year. fourth nuts. it is beautiful. rave reviews. i had to get the city together, the unions together, everybody together.

we got it done. now it is open, setting every record because of its location. it is phenomenal. next to manhattan, on the river. unbelievable. you can do these things. it is about leadership. yep to get people together. if i had somebody working for me that was good, i couldn't have. it had to be me. i needed the council, the mayor. and it has to come from the president. i will give you something that, to me, is so big. corporate inversion. i look at the different things you have common things you want to do. create 25 million jobs. this is the organization you want to do. alan's the federal budget by 230. 230? that is an easy one. they gave me this note, i said,

i think there is a typo. 2030? secure social security? we have to do it. needed. we have a contract. i have a contract. i do not need of mine, by the way. if you don't need it, give it up. it has to be that person's decision. i have friends who make hundreds of of billions of dollars. they don't even know the check comes in. a lot of people would give it up for the good of the country. i want to do that. i don't know if anybody has even talked about. i have friends who say, i know one of. let's give it up. a lot of people would do it. you give it up in the spirit of the country because we have to give it up or deep people who really need it. it is so important. [applause] and make america energy secure

by 2024. it is almost energy-secure now. because of technology, what we have in the ground is enormous. that we are not allowed to export it. and we have more than anybody. i have friends who are oral people, great people. we have the best stuff. i am not talking about the tar sands. it is expensive to get the oil. it costs a lot of money. you do heated, colin, do all sorts of things. g -- you have to heated, cool it, do all sorts of things. coale not allowed to use anymore, but we export coal to china and we save china has to go under the agreement. for 25, 30 years. how stupid are we? how stupid do they think we are? [applause]

it is like our military. i love our vets. i will take good care of my bets,, believe -- of our believe me. are being treated worse than a illegal immigrants coming into this country. they are being treated worse and they are our wounded warriors, they are not being treated fairly. of that.ke care i watched president obama last night on television. he bombed. very simply. it was not easy for him. much croft, they were nicer to me. i was on with putin do you believe that? and charm, nice table mates. putin and trump. every single thing is negative.

isis. syria. a rack. afghanistan. .- iraq afghanistan. the labor force. they are not going to get jobs. the statistic is phony. it does not mean anything. other than the politicians in this room, they do not count because they are fabulous. i hate to do that to people when they are sitting there with their wives. but this statistic was made up by politicians, because it looks good will stop a man looks for a job, he can't find one. or a woman. they go home and say, i have looked for months, i cannot find one. we have 100 million people. 100 million people out of the workforce. we highest number it has ever

been. somebody said, a very talented person, said our unemployment rate, and i am not going to take this number, but they said our unemployment rate was 42%. if you really added up, it is. that i only always say it has er been. somebody said, a very talented person, said our unemployment rate, and i am not going to tak2 percent. because i want to be nice to the president. that it is a disaster. we have to bring the jobs back home. [applause] happens, and what has to happen is we will get into a situation where hopefully when the next president is interviewed by 60 minutes or wow you they can say, have really made some unbelievable strides with trade deals. i have the smartest, toughest negotiators in the world lined up. they don't want anything for it. just like i don't one a salary.

someone said to me the other day, would you want your salary if you became president? i said, no. i know one of. these guys don't want anything. i want to help. they want to do something. i know guys who are so tough and smart. the other day someone said, you want tough. i said, i don't want tough. i want to and smart. i know too many people who are tough and not smart. we need the combination. smart, tough people. we have got to bring our country back. we cannot go on like this. lose.not continued to the u.s. trade deficit with china, almost $400 billion a year. last year the same. i went back five years, it gets worse.

if you want to do business with china, you cannot. i have friends who are manufacturers, they cannot get their product in. if they do, they have to pay a huge terror. a man i am very close to -- by the way, i love the chinese. too their leaders are smart. i love mexico, but their leaders are too smart for our leaders. nabisco is moving into mexico. can you believe it? leaving chicago. which means, i am never going to read another oreo again. never. a 2.5 millionng dollar plant in mexico. how does that help us? they're closing in mexican. -- in michigan. i went to the wharton school of finance. why is this good for us? why? in tennessee, they are all set to announce a big plant and the

company announced very quickly, very ruthlessly, they have decided to go to mexico in stead. not going to happen. keep our jobs in the united states. you want to do business with some of these countries, they charge you tax will stop we do not charge them tax. because we are stupid. it is not fair. we need problem solvers. we need leaders. you cannot have leadership unless you know how to -- we're going to make our country rich again. a woman came up to me, she said, i like you so much, but are you a nice enough person to be president? i said, i think i am nice. i love people. i said, i am nice, believe me. i am going to take care of women, i am going to take care of men, i am going to take care of african-americans. a record.

african-american youth, look at the inner cities. cannot-american youth get jobs at all. 67% unemployment. care ofng to take people, but i said to her, i really do not think this is going to be about if i am a nice person. i think people are fed up with incompetent politicians that do not get things done. i think they are fed up. [applause] and i think this is going to be an election that is largely based on competence. we want our country back. we want to take it back. so, it is really an honor to be with you. .t is in incredible group behind me is the future. [applause] couple of people in the audience that i know, forget them. like, this is the future. i thought i would take a couple of questions.

so, it would be my honor. go ahead, sir. yes? go ahead. sure. wait. >> mr. trump, you look healthy to me. i would like to thank you for continuing this conversation. as you probably know, president fund, theed a president's emergency fund for aids relief. it has been incredibly effective globally. a group of college students across the country, we wanted to ask you if you would commit to doubling the number of people on treatment 230 million people by the year 2020. donald trump: those are good things. alzheimer's, aids. we are close on some of them.

on some of them, honestly, with all of the work done which is not been enough, we're not close enough. the answer is yes. i believe strongly in that and we are going to leave the way. yes, sir? >> i am impressed you are here in person. i have to admit. i'm going to throw a question at you, and i think it's going to be a hard one for you to answer. so here's the challenge. compromise has become a dirty word. if the other side said, we will do this, this, and that, and all they ask for you is for a tax increase, a specific tax increase, or getting rid of a tax deduction, what could you offer at the table, again, as a gesture of compromise? mr. trump: let me say, the word compromise is not a bad word to me as a negotiator, having made deals all my life. i am coming out with a book in

three weeks. does anyone know the title of the book? "crippled america." it's a very sad title. simon & schuster said, we would love to do a book. i started writing, and i worked with a group, they are great people. i realized how much negativity is going on. i said that. then they sent a great photographer and took these beautiful pictures of me smiling . smiling. i look nice. my wife said, you look really good. but i didn't use that picture. i used the worst picture. it is mean, angry, because i'm angry about what's happening in the country, and i put it right on the cover at the book. it's a horrible picture. but i like the word "compromise." we need compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise, but it's always good to compromise and win, meaning, less compromise and win. as far as taxes, i put out a

plan where i am reducing plan -- taxes substantially. we are bringing corporate down to 15%, bringing tremendous tax reductions to virtually everybody. we are getting rid of a lot of the deductions, like carried interest, which is meant for the hedge fund guys. we are getting rid of them. the hedge fund guys don't want to talk to me anymore. they wanted to give me millions. i am self funding. they wanted to give me millions of dollars. i don't want it, because if i take it i have to be like jeb bush and rubio and all these guys and i have to do what they tell me to do, because believe me, they are puppet. i am self funding my campaign. we have asked for a major task -- tax reduction and a major signification. the word compromise is absolutely fine. but if you have to compromise, ask for about three times more than you want, you understand?

so that when you compromise, you get what you want. go ahead, go ahead. she doesn't have a mic. who has a mic? ok. look who we have. good. >> i am miss america's outstanding teen, and i travel across the country and teach kids about saving money, which is hard. our government is not even fiscally responsible, so i'm asking every single candidate, and i have been waiting to ask you, specifically, what are you going to do about the $18 trillion deficit? nottrump: by the way, it is $18 trillion, it is now $19 trillion. we have $19 trillion in deficits. we owe, this is what you are talking about, we owe $19 trillion as a country, and we

will bring it down quickly. we will bring jobs back, bring business back. we will stop our deficits. we will stop our deficits. we will do it very quickly. >> how? mr. trump: number one, we have tremendous cutting to do. you have a department of education that is out of control. massive costs. some of the republican candidate like common core. i am against common core. i want local education. when i mean new hampshire -- when i am in new hampshire and iowa and south carolina, it is so important. save our department out environmental protection. they are not doing their job. it's impossible for our country to compete. and many other things. hundreds of billions of dollars is going to be saved just in terms of running government.

in addition, i will bring millions of jobs back into this country. ok, questions. >> in the spirit of problem-solving, i'm wondering if you are at all concerned about some of the divisive language used on the campaign trail undermining your ability to solve problems? [applause] mr. trump: here's the thing. i went to ivy league schools. i know what is divisive and not divisive, in all fairness. i don't want to necessarily be politically correct all the way down the line. because i see people who can't even function. i see politicians who are afraid to say anything because it's not politically correct, and they know the answers and refuse to give them because they are afraid it's not going to be politically correct, and i'm going to have to be who i am. at the same time, i am running

against a lot of people. .t was 16 now 15 many are going to be dropping out soon, if they are smart. too many people. too many people. when it becomes a different kind of a situation, you will see i will be much less divisive, but always remember this -- i never start anything. they start. they get very nasty, whether it is lindsey graham, perry from texas. i get along great, and then because they are dying, doing so badly, they figure, i don't think anybody in this room wants to have somebody who's not going to fight. the problem is as we have people now who don't. they don't. is the country, the country being hurt tremendously by it. another question.

go ahead and >> -- go ahead. >> mr. trump, my name is kyle smith. i may student leader -- i am a student leader. mr. trump: where are you? >> over here, sir. thank you. i wonder what your plan is a working across -- in working across the aisle to increase civic engagement, and also student loans. mr. trump: so important. the one thing i get more than any other question is student loans. they go out and get an education from great colleges. many great colleges. they become the best student in the class, everything is great, then they can't get a job. the best way to solve it is to create jobs, but they can't get jobs. the students are going out and borrowing money all over the place, borrowing student loan money, one of the only agencies

in government that makes a lot of money, the one place where maybe we shouldn't be making so much money. it's a question i get more than any other question. we are going to be cutting that down, giving people incentive to go and get an education. at a much lower price. don't forget, these schools because they get so much money from the government through students, they are raising fees to a point that is ridiculous. they don't need to get that kind of money. they don't need to get that kind of money. because of the fact that the government is giving out so much money, you take a look at what is happening to the cost of education, and it has not gone up that much. we will get those numbers down, and also we will have jobs so that when you graduate you will end up with a nice job where you are very happy. thank you. great question. [applause] go ahead. >> i'm curious what your perspective is on the freedom caucus, aka the tea party, which

has been at the heart -- mr. trump: i love the tea party. >> ok. mr. trump: i will tell you about the tea party. these are people, in all thatess, these are people love this country. they do love this country, and they want this country to be great. go ahead. >> the issue is, for example, i see, not to offend anyone, but i see the planned parenthood as a deck chair on the titanic. that's where i am coming from. to shut down the entire government over it, it is the small-world mindset. mr. trump: they don't want planned parenthood funded. a lot of people understand that, including me. i understand that. so you do have that. so you do have that. a lot of people feel that way.

>> so maybe i am wrong. maybe you can prove me wrong. but i don't think you are a friend to women. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: i know i should not have picked her. let me give you that answer right now. i respect women incredibly. i have had women working for me in positions that they never worked, in terms of so many different jobs. i had a woman who was in charge of the building of trump tower many years ago, before anybody would have even thought of it. and she did a fantastic job. i have given women more opportunity than i would say virtually anybody in the construction industry. i have a daughter named ivanka and a wife, who constantly want me to talk about women's health issues, because they know how i

feel about it. they know how i feel about women. i respect women. i love women. i cherish women. hillary clinton said, he should not cherish. i cherish women. my mother was one of the great people of the world, my mother. i respect women, and i'm going to take care of women. jeb bush did not want to fund women's health issues. you saw that. then he took it back later. i will take care of women, and i have great respect for women, and i do cherish women, and i will take care of women. i will take care of us, also, from the enemy, the enemy on different shores looking to come in and do numbers. believe me, i will take care of the people of this country far better than any of the folks you are looking at right now. that i can tell you. go ahead. >> i thought it was finished.

>> i want to get paid the same as a man. and i think you understand that. if you become president, will a woman make the same as a man, and do i get to choose what i do with my body? [applause] mr. trump: you are going to make the same if you do as good a job. you are going to make the same if you do as good a job, and i happen to be pro-life, ok? i am pro-life. any other questions? yes, go ahead, you have the mic back there. go ahead. go ahead. shout it out. shoot. he's choking.

come on. much, sorry,so thank you so much for coming to speak to us. i have a quick question about something you said earlier this summer, that south korea takes advantage of the united states in terms of defense spending on the korean peninsula. are you from south korea? >> i am not. i was born in texas and raised in colorado. no matter where i am from, i would like to get my facts straight. i would like to tell you that's not true. south korea paid $861 million. mr. trump: which is peanuts. excuse me, it is peanuts compared to what it is costing. by the way, they are a very wealthy country. part of the problem when we talk about, like your question, about deficits and losing, we are

defending germany, we are defending japan, we are defending south korea, we are defending so many countries. we get peanuts. we get nothing. we get a small payment. it is a tiny fraction, and i talk, i say all the time about south korea, i ordered 4000 television sets recently for a big project. they all come from south korea. from south korea, whether it is lg, samsung, these are wealthy countries. we have 28,000 soldiers on the border of south korea. so we defend germany, which is sending cars and everything, and economic behemoth. we are defending japan. so here's the deal we make. we defend japan and we have to defend them with our lives. if anybody attacks japan, we have an agreement, we have to go and attack and fight and die and to spend.

but if anybody attacks us, japan doesn't have to do a thing. that's the way we run things. it's not going to happen with me, folks. it's not going to happen with me. if we are defending people who are far richer than us, they have to pay for it. we want to help them, but why are we defending germany? why are we defending south korea? why are we defending japan, and they don't do anything for us? we will have great relationships, but why do we pay the cost of defending the world? when you look at the military budget, it is far higher than anybody else's, but you know why it is higher? because we are defending all these countries. not helping us. so we are going to change things around and make america great again. believe me. thank you all very much. thank you. [applause] ♪>

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from vermont? ne sta tell you growing up in cuba there is only state in the union that i knew to m because my mom learned to make great cop -- pancakes i had this little bottle that said vermont maple syrup and though one state that i knew and loved so i now get to introduce the great senator from vermont. the national vice chair of no labels yet heard fromermont. senator lieberman and thetor lio governorve and from my colleague charlie black. we are proud to put this together. we need more new labels problem solvers from america they are committed to get things done.try. we are proud of the college of activists ais country.

thank you roproblem solvers. in the thousands ofsend to cands activists around the that and it here is the message i want to spend.here is at we we have already done thatndidats and it does not work. americano wants to move onone, and here's so we expect fromtelo our presidential candidates. telesat you get the job done. to emb disagree without being disagreeable. agree to embrace 25 million, bag new jobs inet tenures withxt 15a trcial security and medicareeris for the next 75 and balance the budget in the next 15 years to make america energy strong and independent.millionsc there are no referees horrororcs penalties are rules for bad behavior but fortunately for you in this room in those

out there are the enforcer's with your vote. in sports we shake hands and embraced our adversaries and i saolitics today that isized. deemed as a weakness and isuse] criticized. what is with that? that is not the american spirit.hom i polically i am here to introduce a presidential candidate withn home i politically disagree. the former chairman of the american conservative union prii brought up on william buckley principles and introducing a senator of united states, bernie sanders.d i'm acally pro it is not hard to get along and i am proud to betical introducing a the senator he is generating of lot of enthusiasm and had you seen his political rallies? it is like going to read

ms. jagger concert. they are about the same age. [laughter] instead of brown sugar it is feeling the burn. he has learned to work withyear his colleagues last year they hammered home a difficult compromise so ladies and gentleman given up from the man of maple syrup, let's feel the burn, bernie sanders. [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] s sanders: eight you very much

for that generous introduction i'll be sure to get you all of the maple syrup that you need. let me begin by thanking thesen new labels conference for are tryi me and the important work they're doing the essence of what you all are trying to do do is get er, pe the ugliness of temporary politics withlyze what those personal attackshat we greasy every single day to analyze the most important problems that we face and le figure out how we go forward. let's treat each other silly , a tree each other respectfully, and not try to demonize people when theysen. have disagreements with us.

in my mind there is no question that our country challe faces from very, veryyou in serious challenges.the great de. if you include climate poin change theyts could be greater than any time since the great depression. as the no labels conference leme staut we need answers not just campaign rhetoric. let me start by saying the bad news, the very bad news is the results of the citizens united supreme whic court decision, we have a campaign system that is corrupt and undermining american democracy. i laid that out on the table. i do not think there ismillionad

anything democratic aboutbi the fact that millionaires and billionaires can spend as much money as they want.spenl one-family spends $900 million in this campaign cycle in order to elect candidates that represent their interests best interest oftop by saying,i the american people. to say if we want to create a vigorous vibrant democracy , to get actively fuvolved, we have got to overturn citizens united and move the public funding ofand elections.s be clear when we talk about the what economy, talk about the newnce labels conference, let us beoffl clear, a real unemployment is not what you read in

newspapers once a month that is the official rate now around 5% real unemployment including those who have%. given up looking for work and those who are working part-time is about 10% her cry and i will touch on something very few peopleoking are talking about and i hope the no bebel's people will that is the youth unemployment to a study looked at the youth unemployment for high-schooly fi graduates between 17 and 20 years of age the white young 51%.le real unemployment was 31 percent for hispanics it is 36% and african-american kids it is 51% this is aking sur crisis situation if we're more interested to make sure ino our kids are inun school and

have jobs, we should be glvesting in our youngt, and 'm people and not be in jail or incarceration. i am glad you raised that issue and it is a crisis but the united states of america i hope you all agree shouldople2 not be having more people in jail than any other countryand on earth. we should be investing in jobs and education. when we talk about 25 million jobs over the next 10 years in my view there are several things we have got to do. there is widespreadtructure, rod bipartisan agreement.

our infrastructure. our waste water plants c airports, rail system and levees we have not invested sufficiently infrastructure and according to the society of civil engineers becauses whyo it is crumbling falling further and further behind. with that $1 trillion investment over a five-year period.t unto itsf, wou that creates 13 million decent paying jobs also we

should have a massivee, just federal jobs programs copy with 38 million jobs. when we talk about creation here ist how we create new jobs dash prevent their loss of millions of jobs., like naf d and as a result of the disastrous trade policy what corporations have done is simply shut down in america, moved to low-wage countries abroad, hired people there, and then brought their products back in to this country. since 2001 in america, we have

lost about 60,000 factories not . not all of that can be attributed to trade, but a lot of it can be. if we are serious about creating jobs, we need trade policies which create jobs in america and not just china or vietnam. that is why i not only have voted against nafta, permanent normal trade relations with china, i strongly am opposing the transpacific partnership. furthermore, if we are going to talk about how we create the millions of jobs we all agree we need to create, we need a financial system which makes affordable loans to small and medium-sized businesses. i think we all understand the economic engine of america is not large corporations who by , and large have been downsizing

and moving to other countries, but small and medium-sized businesses. i have a very deep concerns about the current financial system, in which you have a handful of banks on wall street, you have six large financial institutions which have assets equivalent to about 60% of the gdp of the united states of america. and these financial institutions on wall street are not terribly concerned, in my view, about creating jobs on main street or in small towns all over america. i think their greed and recklessness, irresponsibility, is known to all. they caused the financial collapse of 2008. so i think what we have to do is put greater emphasis and support for community banks, credit unions, financial institutions, who are part of the communities they serve, who know the people in the communities.

who know the people who want to buy homes, who know the people running small and medium-sized businesses. and let me be very honest with you i think when you have today , three out of the four largest financial institutions, much larger than when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail, i think it is time to reinstate glass-steagall legislation and break them up. if teddy roosevelt were alive, he was a good republican. if teddy roosevelt were alive today, i think what he would say, he would be saying, is when you have a small number of huge financial institutions who have so much economic and political power, they are doing a real disservice to our economy and i think he would say we should break them up and i agree with , him.

when we talk about jobs, we have also got to appreciate that, while it is absolutely imperative that we create millions of decent paying jobs, it is also equally important that those jobs pay people a living wage. all over this country right now, in vermont, in new hampshire you , have folks who are working two or three jobs. they are working 50 or 60 hours a week trying to provide for , their families, trying to cobble together some health care. in my view, when we have today a federal minimum wage of $7.25 dollars an hour, we have got to recognize that that minimum wage is totally grea inadequate. we have got to raise that minimum wage to a living wage, and i believe over the next

several years, in cities like los angeles and seattle, like they have a gun to do, we have got to raise that to $15 an hour , because i think if someone works 40 hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty. [applause] now you have also raised a very , important issue of social security and medicare. let me briefly touch on them. first, despite some of the rhetoric you may have heard from many politicians, social security is not going broke. i know that every day on television, someone says social security is going broke. we have got to cut it and raise the retirement age. that is simply not accurate. the truth of the matter is according to the social security , administration, social security has $2.8 trillion in its trust fund and could pay out

every benefit owed to every eligible american for the next 19 years. that tells us we do not have a major crisis, but frankly 19 years is still a short time and we have got to figure out how we can extend the life of social security a lot longer to make sure our kids and grandchildren know that social security will be there for them. in my view, the fairest way to extend the life of social security for the next 50 years and in my view the fairest way to extend the life of social security for the next 50 years is to make sure that the wealthiest people in this country, many of whom are doing phenomenal, to start paying the same percentage of their income as the middle-class and working families and

write-down as you know, is somebody who is making hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars per year to pay this amount of money into the social security trust fund as somebody who makes $180,200,500 per year per coated my view, and that is wrong. we have introduced legislation to do this. i would apply the payroll tax on all in, just to extend the life of social security, and my proposal would extend the life of social security until 2061, but i would also expand social security benefits. here is the truth. in my state of vermont, i have talked to too many seniors in vermont and seniors all over the country. there are seniors and people with disabilities trying to get

by on horrifically low incomes. you talk to people who are trying to make it on $11,000 per year. the truth is, you cannot survive on that level of income. that means not buying the prescription drugs you need not , heating your home in the winter, not buying the food you adequately need. in fact, we should be cognizant of the fact the average social security benefit today's just $1320 per month. -- just $1328 per month. my view is we should extend social security, expand and we do that by lifting the cap on on taxable income. you have asked a good question about medicare so let's talk , about medicare. when we talk about medicare we , have to broaden the discussion a little bit to talk about health care. here are the simple facts.

the united states today spends far more per person on health care than do the people of any other country. that is just the facts. despite the gains of the affordable care act, 15 million more americans now have health insurance we still have 29 , million people in this country who have zero health insurance. and many people are underinsured with high deductibles and high copayments. sometimes, they do not get to the doctor. they can't afford to pay their deductibles. in my view, and i know not everybody agrees with me, but in my view the united states of america has got to join every other major industrialized country on earth and guarantee health care to all people as a right not a privilege. ,now those of us who live in new

new hampshire and vermont, we border on canada. and canada has managed to provide health care to every man, woman, and child in the country in a much more cost-effective way than we do. germany has a different system . denmark has a different system. the u.k. in france, they all have different systems. but the commonality of their systems is everybody has health care as a right. and all of those systems provide health care to their people in a more cost-effective way. and by the way, the health care outcomes for many of those systems is better than ours in terms of longevity, life expectancy, child infant mortality rates. last point, you asked how we balance the budget by the year 2030. that is clearly an important issue. the good news is that since

president obama was elected, we have made significant progress. when president bush left office, we were running up a record-breaking $1.4 trillion federal deficit. today, the federal deficit is $426 billion. that is making some progress, but obviously, it is still a large deficit and we have a national debt of over $18 trillion, and that is a serious problem. let me put the issue of debt and deficit into a broader context and touch on some issues that i think are not widely discussed. when we talk about the deficit and the debt, i hope everybody remembers that when we went to war in afghanistan and iraq, unfortunately, those wars were

not paid for. they were put on the credit card. those wars will end up costing us somewhere between $4 trillion .nd $6 trillion i have a hard time understanding how some member of congress can come forward and say we have got to cut medicaid and medicare and education and nutrition programs for hungry kids, because we have a deficit. but when it comes to war, not a problem. we will just put it on the credit card. i think that is very wrong. [applause] second, when we talk about deficit, it has to be put in the broader context of what has been going on economically in america in the last 30 or 40 years. that reality is, as most people know, is that there has been a huge transfer of wealth going

from the middle-class to the top .1% of the top 1%. the top .1% has seen its share of our nation's wealth more than double while the middle-class lost chileans of dollars. we talk about deficit reduction and government in general that , fundamental reality has got to be understood. the middle-class is shrinking and the very rich are becoming much richer. corporations, many of them are enjoying record-breaking profits. today, the top .1% of 1% owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. is that the kind of economy we think america and the middle class deserves today?

despite people working incredibly long hours, 58% of all new income is going to the top 1%. so in my view, when we talk about investments that have to be made in our country in terms of education and infrastructure, that reality has always got to be paramount. middle-class shrinking and the wealthiest people doing phenomenally well. so in order to make progress reducing our deficit and national debt, we need to make certain our government is running as efficiently as possible and all of you know , that is not the case. a lot of inefficiency and a lot of waste. all that i would add to that general thought is that we also have to take a look at the department of defense. a lot of people say let's just

their money at the department of defense or that is wrong to her we talk about running an efficient government, it has got to include the department of defense. it also means in my view that we need to move aggressively toward real tax reform so those individuals and corporations who have the best ability to pay in fact do so. that may just give you a few ideas on that subject. just to give you a few ideas on that subject. at a time when we are losing $100 billion a year in revenue because corporations are stashing their profits in the cayman islands and other offshore tax havens, we have got to eliminate this legalized tax fraud. it is just wrong. it doesn't make any sense that you are a profitable corporations, making billions of dollars a year in profits, in some cases not paying a nickel in federal income tax. at a time when the 15 wealthiest people in this country increase

their wealth by $173 billion in the last two years, i would significantlythe by $170 billion of the last two years, i would significantly increase the estate tax on inherited wealth of more than 3.$5 million. furthermore as warren buffett reminds us we have a system that enables to have effective for real tax rate that is for truck drivers and nurses. i think that makes sense to the american people. bottom-line the wealthiest are becoming much wealthier and of large corporations enjoy huge profits profits, middle-class is disappearing in many ways. if we deal with the deficit and the debt, we have got to

have a tax system that has those people on top during extraordinary well to start paying their fair share. very last point. [applause] in making the united states energy secure i agree i want to see that happen as well but in all due respect, and i say this respectfully, talking about energy, there is in fact, an even more important issue than just energy independence. i have been on the senate environmental and energy committee and what i can tell you without the slightest hesitation is the scientific community is virtually unanimous, climate change is real, climate changes caused by human activity. climate changes already causing devastating problems

in our country and around the world. if we do not get our act together now to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel and sustainable energy, the planet we will leave our children is a planet and a lot worse shape than the planet that we enjoy today and that is morally and acceptable. to say we don't care we will just go on with the same old fossil fuel. i want to see is move to energy independence by aggressively moving forward toward energy efficiency, a trip rotation system and invest aggressively in win solar geothermal and other

energies. let me conclude by thanking the no labels conference by the good work they do. we are trying to get serious discussion on serious issues and trying to minimize the politics of personal attacks thank you very much for what you're doing and i look forward to working with you in the future. a thank you very much. . .

8:00 o'clock eastern on our companion network. today on washington journal we took an in-depth look at correctional facilities. we hosted the show from the montgomery county maryland corrections facility and spoke with aa number of employees. there are comments from labor secretary thomas perez this is just under two and a half hours. we will talk about at coming up. first, during a speech this summer, president obama laid out his vision for reforming the criminal justice system, highlighting the work by the montgomery county, maryland, correctional facility. [video clip] pres. obama: our prisons should

trainlace where we can people for skills that can help them find a job. not freedom to become more hardened -- not train them to become more hardened criminals. [applause] like itwant to pretend is all easy. some places are doing better than others. montgomery county, maryland, put a job-training center inside the prison walls to give folks a head start in thinking about what might you do otherwise than commit crime. that is a good idea. , oneis another good idea with bipartisan support in congress, let's reward prisoners with reduced sentences if they can be -- complete programs that make them less likely to commit a repeat offense.

[applause] innovative new approaches to link former prisoners with employers. help them stay on track. let's follow the growing number of our states and cities and private companies who have box on jobban the application so that former prisoners who have done their time and are now trying to get straight with society have a decent shot in a job interview. [applause] and for folks who serve their tribe -- time, and have reentered society, should be able to vote. [applause]

communities that give our young people every shot at success, courts that are tough but fair, prisons that recognize that eventually the majority will be released and seek to prepare these returning citizens to grab that second chance, that is where we need to build. about 30 miles northwest of washington, d.c. is the town of boyds, maryland. the correctional facility is there which houses over 1000 inmates. joining us from there is the former warden, robert green. thank you for your time this morning. let's begin with where you are sitting right now. what is this room used for? guest: >> guest: i am in one of our housing units, one of the vacant units we are currently not occupying, a

64 bed direct supervision housing unit after one what is this used for? >> guest: a theory called direct supervision where the officer is present 24 hours a day. 247 units, one officer, 64 individuals. the supervision provides us an opportunity but also the opportunity for bringing programming into these units we utilize a model called the therapeutic community. trying to take issues, 64 men and women and concentrate on issues that are important to them.

one of four maryland counties. not just in a or aa, but we are providing substance abuse treatment, life skills , and one of the more complex units is a crisis intervention unit. >> it is a maximum-security facility. how. heady keep security in an open room like that. >> guest: the difference between jail and prison, primarily pretrial facility. sentenced to terms of confinement less than 18 months.

it is not the number of staff but the good,good, objective jail classification system. we spend about 40 man-hours using instruments and tools to classify individuals, looking at their psychosocial needs. what we can do to benefit him while incarcerated here. it is really quite a science and begins with the physical plan. youplan. what the physical plant to be safe and designed in a manner that does not lend itself to abuse or misuse. the model that we used to develop sorry, i'm losing by your peace, the model used to classify a population and provide them services. the last peace is a really well-trained, tuned in correctional staff. often i think of correctional staff as officers and uniforms.

mental health, construction workers. well the here andthere here and our focus is to make sure that everyone that leaves this facility these better, but are connected, but are connected to the community, and has the resources to exist in the community we are sending them to. if you look at the data and america's jails, anywhere between 90 and 94 percent of the individuals that we are touching every day inside american jails are returning to the streets of our committee. we often read with great interest that there will be 650,000 released from american prison systems and another number coming out of the federal bureau prison, but in 2007 when we began studying 11 million people will pass through america's jail systems.

we are the deep end of the pool, and the programs and how we use these housing units, we can make a difference. >> host: tell us about the numbers. >> guest: for us when dealing with this idea of mass incarceration from montgomery county has been a marathon, not a sprint. in 1989 we took a strong look at things like pretrial diversion, and some areas of the country you don't have pretrial program. as the opportunity to do a risk analysis where you are not looking at monetary bond as the sole issue that keeps an individual in jail. maybe are given a $5,000

bond within a state. for some that may be 5 million. the statistics, 2,500 or so under supervision in our system today. of that number, the 71% the 71 percent under supervision the community, pretrial supervision for alternative kennedy service programs. we do a risk assessment of those individuals. there are 678 incarcerated inside the walls. it starts with pretrial.

we try to follow the science. there is a great deal of science that has been in existence for a lot of years. we havewe have done over the last 20 years, the focus on education command i heard a caller talking about her son was able to receive a ged. we know studies out of the university of florida and education that if we can get an individual, the basic education, ged, 43 percent less likely to recidivate and returned back to jail within three years. we know if we can get them past that mark focusing on unimportant factors like employment, education, and, of course, substance abuse treatment and making sure that everything we are doing here in the jail has a level of continuity we have a very

strong, collaborative working relationship through our county government throughout our stakeholder community, communities, nonprofits the provider service. in boards maryland. we're talking with robert green, director's talk about the inmates that are at montgomery county correctional facility, why are they there, how long do they typically stay, and are they willing partners in these programs that you offer? >> guest: that is a great question, and one we receive frequently. our average length of stay is 48 days, an individual is

arrested by a police agency, comes into central booking, central processing, receiving individuals from all of the agencies. that is an individual here for maybe eight to 1010 hours going through the initial intake process and release to an individual that will spend 18 months in our system. the inmate population is a willing partner. people have to be safe. they can talk about the programs that we do and the good things that i am proudi am proud of, but that is all built around the aspect of safety which starts with an individual coming into the system where they don't feel that they are going to be preyed upon. i would look at our population as a bell curve. 20 percent coming in the door are very, very motivated to change their life and may want to do this

, get the most of it, get out the door. 20 percent on the backend are setting on the cusp of potentially a life of crime long-term stays in state prison and 60 percent of individuals the fall and that curve and really it's the opportunity that we take the 1st time that they may be safe and sober in their life, we concentrate the services in these units. the population is a willing partner. on any given day of 679 systems we have 500 or more eight hours a day is on 24 hours a day to focus that is

held them down engages the soul. safely and securely with the population and wants to be involved in the change, but we have to be ready based upon that.in their life, maturity, time, and opportunity that they know, okay, i am ready for this change and we need to be nimble enough to bring them into the programs and be able to provide that opportunity. they are here for a defined period of time. what we do with them and how we treat them in the opportunity we give them is an important, defined period of time. >> mr. green is here to take your questions and comments.

let's go to well lead in pennsylvania. people don't want to go to jail. they don't have the opportunity. the waylady got in they're is doing something illegal to get money. it's all about trying to get a little bit of money. my whole thing, have never been down, but i have been locked up. once i came home i got myself together. i've been working. i have enforced -- fortunate. like i said, talking some

good stuff. you give them an opportunity, they theyopportunity, they don't want to go back to jail. they want to make money. we are not demons. >> missed -- >> host: mr. green. >> guest: ii appreciate your sentiments, and it is a perfect lead-in to where we are going. it's. it's a great lead-in to what we are focusing on. like in 2005. so we built this facility the wisdom that we would use this facility how can we

make sure we are putting these transitions in place? 's the idea of reentry for all. for 40 years now individuals that qualify have the appropriate sentence and can go to that facility, live inside a facility, will work will work in the community and prepare for the journey home. eighteen months for us, six months or a year. the ideathe idea was just to start bringing these community services in the door for all of us, life can

be a challenge. when you have been down for six months or a year losing that community contact my going out the door and perhaps having reentry supervision requirements from the courts the say we want you to go to the three in they are in a meetings a week, get your family back together, find a place to live and get a job and in many places sadly here is your bus ticketing good luck. that's what we run the workcenter in the jail. were told that we are the 1st. a bit sad that we are. i'm gladly opened the door for others, to bring this idea of why wait to engage in employment when you have left and have out the door and have all these other

things to engage, why not start to engage it here. we put the one-stop workcenter in play. preparation for interview, preparation for life. you can getto get to the employer and say have had a felony conviction. i want to engage in employment. we started focusing upon reentry commando say one more thing about that. but we did was build reentry programs, the only place you can find them was not in jail. we opened up our doors and brought it inside. we did not want a jail-based one-stop workcenter but i workcenter that happened to be in the jail, part of our other two one-stop. itit just happens to be our 3rd site. we started focusing years ago on making sure the

program that the inmates had access to was the same that they would engage in the community. it is continuity. opening up opening up our doors to the community providers who want to help us, bring them in, and engage that population here so that when the door opens they have the tools in their hand to help them get in line. i had an individual asked me, you are putting people to the front of the line is that of me which is just not factual. we are trying to teach people how to get in line through all of these partners, relationships with montgomery college, health and human services in montgomery county is one of our key partners in helping connect people to the wealth of programs that they have, but that bridge and connection happening here is key, they key to the success >> are you saying your players are coming to the

jail to talk to these inmates that are about to be released? how do you convince them to make that trip? >> it starts with -- the one-stop workcenter that we put here in 2,005 has the appearance of a workcenter that you would see. the 1st piece is not showing the dignity and respect to the person walking in the door to say this is your opportunity, what you will see when you leave. getting them prepared for that initial interaction, interaction, spending time there watching individuals go through the interview preparation, and understanding what they can do in life, what they are good at is then being able to go through those assessments with our job coaches. job coaches in that unit are absolutely incredible.

we have employers now coming in, doing job fairs, employers who want to hire this population, and even population, and even employers who are interested in this population so that they can understand what these men and women are going through in preparation to come out and be a good employee which i think is an eye opener. we had a section with montgomery county nonprofit that works with our small business community. they came in last week i broughti brought a number of small business leaders and to see what we are doing. of course the focus on allowing individuals to get that opportunity. is set in front of the employer.

that is a big focus for us. we had a number of prisoners they came into with us. they are learning the education, social and academically. something entirely different. this will we have done and

harming these people after they have served there time, they can get a job, can't get education, can't get housing, welfare, job, and last but not least, campo. they are man without a country let them get a job. his that is all. some of these people have done,, it's amazing. right here in tulsa, oklahoma they have a 60 -year-old and his 19 -year-old brother killed five family members, staff the mother 48 times, but they are pleading because the 16 -year-old was just a

youthful offender. at the same time, there was a 15-year-old 15 -year-old black kid that had three joins in his pocket who is locked up. when he gets ready to go and apply for a job, what is he going to do? what is he going to do? then it is created by us as a society. as. >> well, i cannot comment on the intelligence of what is happening in different jurisdictions.jurisdictions. i can tell you what works year. this element of direct supervision. it's not an individual

beyond that so wall. that is an important focus for us, the things you talked about with reentry is how we do it. the science says that it will work, and i hope more and more systems, and we are at this renaissance moment of change or we are looking at what will work, what will give an individual the opportunity to change their lives. i have a population here that i do not control, but our mission is to do more good than harm and prepare them to go back out the door command we do a good job of that is, and iis, and i wish other leaders well. we are open to those conversations. i see a lot of change happening, a lot -- a real renaissance moment in collections where these programs can i just had the opportunity