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will one edits of the go where life and about the eighth

grade i had ted teacher aha that i love dash to stop speaking of the boys would not like me and it was not ladylike. the impacted me and i was hurt but then many years later in 2012 after a rigorous debate he told the press that i was a very ladylike. -- wasn't there reader like - - ladylike than i have to communicate you can be an outspoken and strong and opinionated and ambitious. >> host: i was struck as a consumer of the memoirs better not nearly as outspoken as your book is for that reason. the notion to be ladylike and to be a member of the

senate in the first place is the al meyer. people are blown away in the entire history of the senate only 44 women have served not only are they not close to the 51 percent of the population but even if you add up 100 years of history. >> that number is much smaller because of large timber served because their husbands died they were appointed for a short period of time and sometimes as little as water today's so they could find the appropriate me and. but there is a very small number. bed beginning of modern era now we have 20 of a bite to get a much bigger number but

we are getting there. >> host: that is what is interesting that you address that head-on with a clear understanding that you are the member of a very small class not to say that is how we should be but that there is such a huge debate around our women inherit the different vs. the fact you have the embattled minority. >> beginning when i did in my 20s i wish john and single in a prosecutor's office with very few

exceptions it was very male-dominated but i had to overcome a bench of staff and i would talk about those things i am not sure i handled it correctly. but at least the book will give women the opportunity to render stand you cannot maneuver around to excel despite the ledger expect time and again in the way. >> clearly you had a natural aptitude but you tell us this i of pruning to every

to become homecoming queen to you picked death though lesser rivers but you need to tell the story did you know, ? >> i did. i was supposed to say trick kirch reached in her robe for jfk my mom and now.

i wanted people to believe that i had gotten it but it was a great way to reinforce the strategy. >> at love the you told that story in the book. there is the bookshelf a mile high a decent life with the important figure i would never allow us the l lot of the strategic is stowe say to wretched incident to match with take a different approach i had day there are

two pages of things.

but the names that were inappropriate to me when i was young but that's okay. you cannot be neutral all the time. [laughter] >> that one example iran in an excerpt but that high profile of senator rice but

in the republican in prairie can pay. but also what about your decision to be a front but they go all in in millions of dollars i the fed i knew

he would. but then reopen the branch with the premier her ears paros those communicating to

the independent food if the second or third in the polls depending which you're looking at. >> that just reinforce what was in the public. >> so we ran the advertisement and we watched tim klein in the polls and would exceed expectations. >> that go back the primary campaign was closing in and it was very tight with an extraordinary moment where your campaign director the got involved personally as

you connected with supporters about a key advertisement he was running. >> i am not sure the message ever got to him himself but we saw that the company is very popular in missouri everybody knew that mike huckabee was really popular he was talking all the stuff we talked about in the ad about eight in family values it was powerful so we took that down to put up another one with a fan family but it was weird and it was just our opinion collectively if you know, the state and the voters and said tell them

we'll think it is a very bad add some the from the campaign called hours i said it was i in a dash okay to talk and broad generalities it was no polling data our need of that nature. we could not believe there were taking our advice. i have given my advice to hundreds of candidates this is the first time it was a future opponent. >> host: it is a remarkable story not only did you decide to take the -- tell that but this occurs all the time with the true currency and to talk

publicly is a hollywood version rage "house of cards". >> i probably felt a little defensive it was nothing we had done it wasn't done through third party committees or operatives. it is a great example to be strategic i thought it would be great to see women's campaign. >> host: in bed to use the word calculating that issues of the a naked their version and a strategic and implied

to executive jobs and closing and vice deck by the fact sherrill sandberg is have them to circles against their statements to be willing to embrace to plan their career and not it's a career killer but to go state for word. >> there is the last winter sea in an budget without

sacrificing aba hard-edged toward your career in the basements window and asked for many because they're giving you tear off ended stable more and many -- more money. i do think this book is in that vein. >> but i am struck by the fact of the one hand it is viable and vice don't be afraid to take your career in your hand public that how few women have reached the upper bubbles of politics i

think we're at 7% see a so your account of 1 percent is not the account but what i have been struck by is the question that doesn't explain why because there is a broader category of women that is the extraordinary level of criticism plays a

role in with eleanor roosevelt and my guess is it probably still resonates? >> absolutely. my haters have a tough edge. not too long ago one said you have of face like a diaper. really tough stuff but i have parents my dad told me you cannot get anything done without making someone mad. but women wanted to betty to be happy we're good as officials we are conciliatory we want people to agree on common ground so

i think they will help government be more functional because we're those types of people. but you cannot make everybody happy i have one third of my state that just don't like we. that is okay. i am sad but that will not slowly down. there will be transparent and work hard to accomplish things. but i cannot sit around and worry about the fact that people will say horrible things about me and frankly others are afraid how it will feel an impact to their families. it is a real fear but you have got to get over it the

negativity doesn't have the bite it used to have. i think people are over it and i think people get this is political. >> been on the other hand, whippy and ability to judge in ways it comes even louder to magnify what is already out there. >> you are onto something with the notion why are they infers in general being in the public sphere because it is hard to recoup when you

have to write to opinion columns. ben it if you are great team that is adana's a subject. i see that all the time is a woman editor and having enormous interest to run opinion columns it is structural and women understand the penalties so what is a in your brain wiring gore backer and you aren't worried about the racism still you don't is internalize it. >> that is interesting when

i was demoralized with those

>> >> my daughter got in the face and said our entire lives on newsday you have made sacrifices when it comes to the family to make a difference and now with an important moment in history you are not endorsing barack obama because of the of the

back of your supporters who had helped me to allow me to succeed there would be disappointed and they were but the next day i told the now president i was all in in their worked very hard. >> there was flowback they did not specifically addressed to you but when madeleine albright said there is nothing worse than women who don't support other women. >> id did her to make counter argument was what we're fighting for is a level playing field. we cannot begin to richey that this same level that they did to us just because you are a woman that that

door swings both ways. that some zero you i am working just as hard for hillary clinton. people wanted to take it safe bet. >> dash. >> guest: the mad the primary? to make she has. >> i think. >> i tried to tell them what they the conclusion she is

his huge spee vicki is not even in a. >> part of that is the context we have those on one side all eight dash hillary clinton i don't see either one of them criticizing bernie sanders. but bernie is speaking to folks where status quo is a

problem isn't so he is more of an outsider sir you understand why in the long run. [laughter] but it's this is right.

>> once they batted streaking but of course, that the very end she dropped out of bed a

woman president would is your advice that a candid and vice. in my race for governor our so anxious to prove that i was qualified i knew every answer. this isn't about me being a woman the tb qualified. a journalist and it is one of the moments. saw -- that is my realize

they did not know that my kids were the say in their worked my way through school as a waitress. but i grew up in a house where the sheen to read all the time it is the spa town. but i had not find that out yet ended in bed is something pillory clinton she could keep in mind but saddam the but not the issue

is to really been terrible or long with the good and the bad and ugly. >> host: that case study applies outside of normal politics because there are so few women in these positions to face harsh criticism that bunker mentality and guess it is easy for a corporate executive to be in a similar position then with a very

interesting year end and then to indorse barack obama at a young age there is a wonderful part early in your public career your asking your son to get ready to come with you i am guessing was not just a party. >> it was a political event. when he was john around five years old i would say we're going to a party than rigo to read political event. you know, how kids whisper and it realize how loud they said listen, when she says

if it's a party and basket of anybody gives the speech. if they give us speech isn't a party. [laughter] so maybe there's something more fun than it was. >> clearly you cuts establish a barrier between the professional and personal you to keep the integrating your family into your life but people think it is personal or professional coming at the expense of the other. >> first of all, when iran for prosecutor, and i didn't put my children in any of my literature i was worried they would think it is inappropriate for me to take on this job that had dangers

associated with children banal i cannot wait to take pictures with my nine grandchildren. sova i love my children to be a part of my life and i want to be a part of their lives i want them to understand what i am doing doing, one of my highlights one of my children really participated for the first time last time by two daughters actually traveled with me for the campaign and it was wonderful. when they were younger they didn't want to do that. and with politics you have more flexibility you don't have a box if you want to go see your son in the talent show. except and i was in trial a couple of times that the

injury i would take off to go see my son. i may have to work on saturday but there was more flexibility. so i did try to integrate to pull the mission now they're all highly opinionated adults as a result. >> but you recount some of your own experiences as a republican. >> tell me about all of the clinton campaign office.

she was bathing her new war with the phone in her year we can visualize this as she tried to take care of her child was she was getting instructions she remembers thinking this is some real. that juxtaposition to bait your newborn is a serious situation with life and death at stake but there is a lot of great examples of how the integration of your career and motherhood sometimes is funny or interesting or frustrating. >> host: everybody has that irma bob beck moment when my son was little we had a radio program i would have to go one early in the morning i thought i had the

sound fixed you could hear them talking the entire time they said you were great this morning i could hear your son the entire time and nobody else told me and i was mortified. >> i quit worrying about that and there are jobs in the background were children crying. [laughter] >> host: a humanizes is suspect back to the question to be a minority of a minority per our want to push you a little because sometimes i feel contradictory things from the women who have been in

these political positions so there is the sisterhood rehab these meetings we had to and there's we're there for each other we are mower bipartisan or we are more collaborative refined we are around the problems we make a deal have that women's empowerment narrative on either hand wait. i will not justin doors hillary clinton because she is a woman we fight for a level playing field, foreign the sisterhood or to replicate the failures of the past. we have simultaneously contradictory things but when it comes to the basic question is there something essentially different?

>> i think both could be true i thank you can make decisions based on merit without gender and at the same time have a disposition that allows you to work on problems that whether or not you get the credit. this is sent complicated in the senate we had to go through a lot of the savings to get there. if you get there we have an immense number of things in common is the unspoken language huge disagreements with other ladies on policy but it comes from the shared experience has to deal with getting around those obstacles that i talked

about in the book. we don't want to throw each other under the bus but the difference how they talk about each other and to each other there at each other like this all the time. it hasn't always been that way but it certainly is now when did people do like each other very much. you can get a lot more than if you like each other even if he disagrees so as long as he keeps working to know everyone will better the typewriter kids and personal lives isn't the idea of winning at somebody else's expense. mitch mcconnell did not want barack obama to win anything he thought it was that their expense so they could not

take over now there is we have to return the favor so look at they did to us now we have to do that to them. there is not as much of that with the women so i do think if there were more women you would have more deals and more compromises i firmly believe that. >> that is interesting to talk about another incident of a time with a very public disagreement with another senator over how best to ensure more prosecutions for military sexual assault purview objected jumped into the sexist narrative. what did you take away? >> the first narrative was

this was the decision between victims. that was a false narrative. the media picked up on the simple. >> really that is the fight i was waging an as a prosecutor misspent time holding hands and crying that i was advocating for the victims but he also had two democratic women who took two different views and that elevated that way beyond otherwise. and the fact that we have gotten so much done we have done reforms.

>> because actually you have partnered with her and have continued after that. >> we came down to the well and we gave each other and hugged. >> but obviously you cannot get into politics did your relationship take a temporary debt? >> we're both focused to get the votes over the honest policy disagreement. yes we were counting votes and she was talking to cancel i should talk to him so we tried to make sure people understood our point of view i eighth remember rockefeller said i am not sure thunen would have done what you just did.

so part of me did not want to hug her or shake her hand to reconnect but i knew that i needed to and thank goodness she did to now reified working close together on sexual assault. >> host: one of the things you do a great job is how institutionalized sexism that rule is clear to you in a variety of ways that i think for many people there is a desire to have more women in office than ever before you cannot sit down and talk with someone to say that is the fact?

and is breaking you did such a good job were this is what happened when the senator was first elected when clearly that behavior was different and of that of the boys' club. so tell us about that there was an incident with another female senator she recounted one of her colleagues was pinching her behind commenting on her weight. >> i personally have not ever felt diminished or minimalized by nine male colleagues in the senate. i dunno if i am older. [laughter] that might have something to do with it. they did have a door mantinea first could it come

in with the assumption i was not a senator bennett you are right that there is a tendency with barack obama was elected president we're past race ahead of the ad for a receipt to unrest i'm aware particularly in the criminal-justice system with women we have accomplished a great deal we have made progress but if we think we're done just a few weeks ago to members of the missouri legislature lost their job because to women never intern's called out of sexual harassment and had text messages for evidence.

so we cannot think that we don't have work to do. >> you recount of it was a large class of democrats say you pushed the boundaries of the single tiny bathroom. >> it was just too stalls they were full and then came elizabeth'' -- elizabeth ward two was just elected. so i just we did not demand a battery after getting a bigger bathroom so now when

we get 50 or 60 you have to take space at of the men's bathroom but we did have the space from an office behind there but to office space is tight but i was surprised from another anecdote that k hagan wrote wanted to go swimming and does told no you cannot do that. and i was pressed to see that they were swimming naked. [laughter] >> not all of them bin she told me he knew it was. now i cannot get that out of my hard drive. >> and a friend of yours. [laughter]

>> that is just a couple years ago. >> was blown away wasn't like 1960's but in the 2000's. >> but kate tech care of it. it changed from members of the men only to members only. it is very modest and adequate in the pool is very small but now on the weekends the kids can come and swim in the wintertime. >> host: amazing you came to washington with the point where it would dash with expectations with the difference between politics

in your home state and here in washington? >> some things are the same. it feels like drinking out of a fire hose here. sari. and he had people prepare your questions you meet people your staff tillage you how to vote and you follow their defections if you are truly curious it is an enormous amount of material to consume because i feel in my adequately informed they're prepared i don't think i've ever felt that as much in any job that i had in misery. -- misery. >> that this function is different. you cannot even get mitch

mcconnell and john boehner to agree much less republicans or democrats but we all said you are in charge in you cannot even decide. they are not even talking to each other so that is more frustrating to show that we are treading water doing more gotcha politics that is why so many voters are attracted to donald trump. because he is very different. and also because of bernie sanders philosophy he is committed that he will shake things up that is why they attract to those candidates

they grab the status quo to shape it into submission and i get it. it is very frustrating. >> host: that this function of the authority among leadership in part is what is healing these candidates. that is the irony. . .