ms. macdonald that i have to give respect. .. she is wearing a bikini and she is being thrown around. virginiathis girl and and they slide her across the floor, what do you expect them to do? he didn't have to put a hand on the girl. the man in texas -- the girl was wearing a bikini. why is he sitting on her back? you have a few bad officers who are making bad calls. they need to be held accountable when they do something wrong. hold them accountable, prosecute them. host: heather macdonald. officers is right that

need to be courteous and respectful and too often they are not. developed ae hardened attitude in part because of the hostility that they have encountered on the streets. when they do make a mistake. there is no question that they need to be held accountable. and i would think that this will policer way in easing community tensions if the police could be more respectful. but these videos represent a minute fraction of the police civilian encounters every year. police officers have 20 million encounters with civilians in new york city alone. unfortunately, some of those are not going to be a perp you. but the discourse -- some of those are not going to be appropriate. but the discourse has taken aim

at the entirety of policing and says that somehow, the police in every jurisdiction have developed racist attitudes, with her they are black or white. that is simply not the case. what the black lives matter discourse has tried to keep offstage is crime rates. remain sos disproportionate between intercity neighborhoods and the rest of the country that, that is what drives the police -- and if they want to save lives, they're going to be more heavily deployed in minority neighborhoods where they will have more encounters. to what is alleged incorrectly of over pollution is to bring crime down. and until we can do that, police

-- policing remains the best solution to help people save lives. i go to police community meetings every -- meetings all the time. june, in elderly woman spontaneously broken out and said, it is so wonderful when we see the cops, they are my friends. amputee who cancer said the only time she felt comfortable to go into her lobby was when the police were there. she said please jesus, send more police. these are the types of requests that the police get and are hearing and people are asking for assistance. for help withg the drug dealing, and the irony is that, as the milwaukee police chief said many times, the respond to those

heartfelt calls for assistance without generating the aclurtionate -- that the or parts of the justice system can use against them in a racial profiling lawsuit. host: we will go to ronald in california. welcome. caller: i would like to ask the --ng lady -- she said that does it have anything to do with the overwhelming amount of guns that are in the neighborhoods? or with the lack of education? does it have anything to do with unaccountability in the police departments? i would like to know how the so-called good police are handled? when we saw the guy shot in the he pickedlso saw that up a gun and he placed it by the body. host: similar comments on

, he says it is our right as citizens to make sure the police are doing their job appropriately. we do not live in a police state. is nonald says there system evidence for the ferguson effect and the fbi director and this guest know it. police have tohe be held accountable. the walkers got -- the walter scott shooting was an abomination. and it recalls the fact that polices a horrible history in this country. thee is no question that police were able work of slavery and segregation that listed way too long, and this country took a long time to wake up.

a lot of people today continue to see policing through that lens and it is understandable. but the fact of the matter is that police has never been more -- that policing has never been more professional. the police are going where people are being victimized and that is in minority communities. brooklyn,d recent in the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in bay ridge, brooklyn, which is just a few miles away. that means the people in 81% higher face and chance of getting shot. the police cannot respond to that without being more heavily deployed in minority neighborhoods. as for the charge that there is no evidence for the ferguson effect, i simply disagree.

the evidence is the drop-off in discretionary activities. that is empirically documented. you can hear it from officers and does the director commie talked to police officers and chiefs across the country and that is what they are telling him, anecdotally. your guess is heather macdonald. she is talking about the ferguson effect on police officers. we go next to north carolina to hear from james. good morning to the guests and the c-span host. heather macdonald is about to make my head explode. i've going to make a short story. i was a police officer in the early 1980's for quarter years. for four years.

the first night i went out with my training officer, he asked what we called a nightstick. i'm going to tell you, we call a --knocker.a i wasn't going to stay in law enforcement. -- it is a want more prevalent than you want to knowledge. racism is precisely what it is. the police chief should be removed. his decisions are directly in contradiction to his thoughts. he is fueling more division between the police and african-americans in the community.

you have 200 years of racial tension between police and the black community. host: thank you for your call. what he was told by his field training officer is appalling. i would hope that that attitude has changed. i do believe that it has area believe it is even close to her police are trained today. and the officers that i have spoken to in the academy and those on the street say they are there because they want to help. we believe fervently in the good people of the community and we are there to try to try to protect them from a much higher rate of crime than people in other communities have to live with. historyre is a 200 year of unequal treatment in this

country. but until we get crime rates down, you are going to have heavier policing in minority communities and the reason they are there is because people ask them to be there. again, go to police community meetings. there are kids who are hanging out, hundreds of them, fighting, eating each other up, why can't you arrest them for loitering? the police are torn between those types of requests for enforcement and more intensive policing and then the africans who get their hands on the data that is generated by those types that the claimed police are racist. should be racist cop

fired from the force but they do not represent the majority of police officers. the director was working incredibly intensively in richmond, virginia and he set the people that he worked with that every dealer they got off the streets was a good thing. host: heather macdonald, you have written about another law enforcement issue. president obama today will be talking about his proposals on criminal justice reform. we will cover that, it is a 4:15, eastern.

the headline of usa today, obama pushes for second chances. towill use a halfway house call congress to pass a bipartisan drill -- bipartisan bill. a number ofed on executive actions to give offenders a second chance area did what is your response to reduce the number currently in jail? all sentences are arbitrary. i am not necessarily opposed to reducing the federal sentence is. eerie --offenses offenses. i am more concerned about is the discord that pervades the discussion of incarceration. wrong when hea is has been going around the country for the last year,

claiming that the criminal justice system treats lax and whites differently. been the -- of the criminology profession for the last two decades. up in every day. every single time. lax in prison is a direct effect of the black crime rate. blacks commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and hispanics combined. and 11 times the rate of whites alone.

-- we could put an end to the discourse that says we have been involved in some kind of racial minority communities. again, i think the director spoke extraordinarily eloquently about the fact that there is no such thing as mass incarceration. ,very person who is locked away they have received do protection of the law and they were found to be guilty and they were gotten off the streets. and that effort for incarcerated offenders is a contribution, along with proactive policing, to the 50% drop in violent crimes. we are now at risk of losing these --

host: let's go to john in florida. caller: i have a question. why is the united states the only country in the world that doesn't use water cannons? they should have used that in ferguson. it would have controlled the rioters. in there have put dye to apprehend the losers in the stores. guest: that is something completely out of my knowledge. i was not persuaded by the that the police were responsible to -- responsible for writing by responding with riot tactics. as i'm concerned, if you are going to destroy someone's livelihood and earn down stores and take away the hard-earned

andstment of entrepreneurs destroy the livelihoods of employees, you don't get to choose the tactics that are used against you. it is absolutely incumbent on the police to preserve law and order when writing threatens the very civilization that we take for granted. of course, the police should not use lethal force, but they certainly have the obligation to respond with whatever it takes to prevent people's livelihoods from being destroyed. caller: good morning. , she said thaton the police enforcement are and peopleir people have cell phone cameras and now people don't want to get out and perform their duties. -- but iery last year

remember last year, they had and they had snipers , and ice enforcement don't member people saying that we weren't going to go deal with them, so are you saying that police are more afraid of a cell phone camera and having rifles trained on them? is -- i amirony puzzled by the massive opposition to the idea of the ferguson affect by advocates. policing is political. and the police have heard the message. it has been sent loud and clear. that's proactive policing is racist and they are doing less of it. which is precisely, i would think, what the black lives matter movement would want. that they are

frightened of cell phone videos, theuch as the fact that political class and the elite have embraced the idea that policing that responds to community demands for requests, response to demands for public order on the street is somehow oppressive. so they are saying, fine. we will go back to the type of reactive policing that merely response to 911 calls after the that was responsible for the crime increase we saw in the early 1990's. the head of the detectives union in new york city told me that the type of policing was easy. you wait for somebody to be victimized and then you go out in your car and take a police report. he harder thing is to prevent -- the hardernd thing is to prevent crime before

it happens. that is what officers are not to the same degree today. and we are seeing it in some cities, we have seen triple digit increases in homicides and shootings. suspects are overwhelmingly young black males. host: what is the recommendations they made was about police adopting a guardian mindset. they said that law enforcement to buildopt a mindset public trust and legitimacy. toward that end, police should adopt procedural justice as the guiding principle for policies and practices to guide their interactions with the citizens they serve. what do you think about that recommendation? to me, this is stating

the obvious. it is stating what i hear from officers all the time. that the to make sure elderly woman can get to the post office to pick up her social security check without being worried about being shot by a drive-by shooting or by getting bangers who are retaliating for some mindless turf dispute. what i hear from officers all the time is the sense that we are trying to protect the community and give them the same freedom of movement and freedom from fear that people in more wealthy communities take for granted. at the source of police legitimacy is being able to provide that protection. veryes ago, there was a horrible attitude of police

that, well, we are not going to try very hard to fight crime in minority neighborhoods because that is the situation that prevails under -- prevails and there is nothing they can do. the policingo revolution that focuses police relentlessly on where crime patterns are breaking out and do to a mindset change in policing crimeays, we can stop before it happens, the police do focus on minority neighborhoods. why? does they want to save lives.

host: dave in tallahassee. he is calling from the law enforcement line. caller: thank you for c-span. i was a training officer for years. ofare creating a wave problems that is going to be very pervasive for a long time. are backing away, they do have to. been eating with officers theyre active officers and are backing away. everybody is coming after them.

they make an arrest and they get attacked for it. it makes it extremely difficult, they are raising officers up, training them and then the officers are trained with that attitude. and it is really going to cause problems in the future. i am afraid for the community. it is a horrible situation. guest: dave is right. -- by the obama administration for speaking the truth, the president is accusing the keeper of the nation's crime data of cherry picking data and using anecdotes.

the director than anybody else what is happening in crime across the country. and he has direct access to officers. really something that is irrefutable. that officers are backing up and the result is higher crime. the result is also going to be a loss of police legitimacy. i don't know what the police are supposed to do. they go to community meetings they want a police watchtower. i went to a meeting in the bronx where they begs the officers to install a police watchtower because the shootings were so bad. the man said that every time i hear a shooting, i go running towards it because i'm fearful that my children have been killed. this is a reality that people in the inner-city live with. that the new york times and

keepers of the racist cop narrative don't have a clue about. if they did, if they had to worry about their kids getting shootings, they would be demanding precisely the type of proactive policing that is responsible for the 50% drop in crimes that the nation has experienced over the last two decades. macdonaldher mentioned obama's meetings before the chief of police in chicago. >> for the remainder of the time in this office, i will do everything i can to encourage participation and work hard to make sure that the work that is being done by law enforcement is appreciated and supported.

but, in order for us to do that, we do have to stick with the facts. what we can't do is cherry pick data or use anecdotal evidence to drive politics or to feed political agendas. if we stick with the facts and communication, then we will continue the hard work that you and so many law enforcement officers have made over the past few decades to save lives and keep families intact. let's get a couple more quick calls for heather macdonald. go ahead. caller: good morning. isant to say that your guest illustrative of the disconnect between whites and african-americans in this nation. all of her comments are illustrative of her ignorance and the cocoon environment for

the reality. -- aade the statement couple of statements that were striking. one of the things that she said was that president obama was completely wrong when he said injustice andan in the judicial system in this nation. that is absolutely a striking statement. everyone knows there is unfairness in the criminal justice system in this country. you even have a case now of a judge in one of the states because he throughout all white juries. she also made the statement that there is 200 years of history. there is 730 years of history, heather.

history of redlining discrimination and oppression and police brutality. your statements today make it absolutely more dangerous for police because you are discounting the victims and you are telling us that what is going on today is a figment of our imagination. you have said that blacks are eight times more likely to commit a crime band whites and everybody else. when you cocoon a people into a corner, i suggest to you that a police being afraid of cell phones, you are bringing people to a critical mass. when weday is coming won't believe in anecdotal statements. host: a response? guest: it is simply not the case, the evidence does not show that the criminal justice system is racist. notwithstanding the fact that president obama has been reasserting that message. in fact, one study of the justice department looks at

felony prosecutions in 75 of the largest urban counties and found that blacks were less likely to be prosecuted following an arrest for a crime. they were more likely to be given a prison sentence but that reflected the fact of the severity of the crime. and the criminal history. prosecutions were less likely to be bught. and the criminal history.his mat and some of the criminologist in the country have elected this matter and have concluded that the proportion of blacks in prison that represent assembly. . . to the crimes. in new york city, victims and policees report to the that blacks commit over 75% of

the shootings even though they are less than 23% of the population. again, this is not the police making this up. this is when there is a shot fired and the police come to the scene and they get from the witnesses the suspect description. whites are 35% of the population and they commit less than 2% of the shootings. so that means that when police are going to shooting scenes to prevent a retaliatory shooting, they are going to minority neighborhoods. i don't choose that. they hope against hope when they get a shots fired call over the radio that they are going to be called to a scene and they will beat told that it is a white shooter. that almost never happens. policing today is driven by the incidences of crime. and that crime is happening in inner-city

communities. march 11 this year, two officers were shot at during a ferguson protest. and the protesters were called for the entire police department resignation. a boy was called by a straight -- a boy was killed by a stray bullet and nobody protested that killing. few people in america even know his name. but those types of heart-wrenching tragedies keep happening in inner-city communities and that is why the police are there. heather macdonald is an attorney and a fellow with the manhattan institute, joining us this morning from ohio. you can read more online.

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>> good morning. happy to welcome you to the 5th annual festival. happy you have decided to spend your saturday with us and you were here for a panel on unlocking the hispanic vote. we have a great set of panelists here to talk to you. before i introduce them, a couple of a couple of quick housekeeping things. we will be here for about an hour 2040 to 45 minutes of discussion on stage. there are two microphones on either side of the room. you can start lining up. please have your questions ready. let's get started. to my left we have one of the founders of the hispanic republican set of texas group that house republicans run for office here in the state.

a longtime political advisor to many folks including senator mccain and his presidential race and presidential candidates in america. thank you for being here. senator rodney ellis who has dubbed himself the honorary latino on this panel. the state sen. from houston where he was elected in 1990.1990. sirs on the transportation business and commerce committee's. served several terms on the city council. thanks to him is representative jason bianca, a republican from dallas really was 1st elected in 2012 serving on a business and and industry and economics and small business development committees. next to him a state representative, elected here in austin in 2014 and has had about four elections since then. one special election to replace the previous

district. a long history in texas politics. worked for former governor ann richards and currently serves on the election committee and last but not least we have secretary of state, current secretary of state, one of governor abbots 1st appointments when he was elected. the former democrat before switching to the republican side. he was elected commissioner and later became the county judge. thank you all for being here. we appreciate it. they have done several iterations of this panel. leading into the 2014 gubernatorial2014 gubernatorial elections, but this year we have a presidential coming up. on the republican side, you asked me year ago, with my

1st question be about donald trump, i would not have believed you. we have a very crowdeda very crowded republican field in which the front runners at the front of the field this by some of the rhetoric we have heard. mexico is not sending their best to the us. joe republican struggle? an election in which you can gain more hispanic support after a dismal turnout in the last election? >> you looking at me. >> pass it on. not only of national interest but international interest. i hope you're not supporting

because it is insulting what he has said about hispanics and women in my family members, friends. and then it is also phenomenon, an international one. from out of nowhere, different the very similar. when's the governorship. somewhat argue the most powerful state in the nation mexico, the most educated state, the state with the most finances. both parties for the 1st time in history of mexico is an independent government. it happenedhappening costa rica last year and also happened in panel. this year we have one in guatemala.

people are tired of politics as usual command in this nation republicans and democrats if you look at some of the research, they love that there is a trump guy out there swearing, kicking everybody and making things -- moving things around. but if you also look at the research and do not ask you would you vote for do you like trump that show what trump stands for, believes in, andcommand americans, i would not vote for anyone like that. so with a good thing is that the weekend usually devote with our emotions now with our minds, that is also international. in this case we have a here, more than a year for his ideas to come forth. i think that we will be missing on panels very soon. >> i will say that if there

is a cultural connection that i will remind everyone of, when any of us were growing up for any of our kids birthday party, you by a piñata. you will beat upbe up on the piñata, and it's a celebration, family gathering. the hotselling item in austin right now is a donald trump piñata. as a democrat donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving. >> look, donald trump gives voice to the frustration that exists in the party today. the people that are following him, most enthusiastic i just disenfranchised from the current political system. he is one of these outsiders we can attach ourselves to. his policies are offensive to my deeply troubling. i am hearing some of these commentaries and then just

horrified that someone who has risen to this level, this goes to the. i think that's very troubling. joining the process in the entertainment politics, but as we go into the fall in the spring and you really begin to discern who our next presidential nominee will be at that. to the markers republican party. if you look at this history, , we had people like michelle bachmann and herman cain all have their moment in the sun command it is fun and interesting. an individual who ultimately did not achieve but we hope.

they came together and said we are serious minded individuals. also, trump is not a republican. if you look at the issues he cares about and i think she has espoused , he is clearly not republican, certainly not a conservative. and people that have began to gravitate toward him because he is a conservative , they just don't look at his record. this is a man who is wanted to continue funding for planned parenthood, supported single-payer healthcare, been a person who just went on the news this week and said george w. bush is the reason we had september 11 even though he had only been there for two months on that occurred. these are not orthodox positions in the republican party. for someone tofor someone to espouses positions and still maintain a sizable portion of the early polling suggests that we are not

serious hit and once we get serious and sober after the summer of trump he will begin to see republicans go that direction, away from intuit somebody else. >> at the end of the day he is running in the republican primary. is there a silver lining to what you have described? does it put more pressure on both sides to step up and defend hispanic voters and try to energize them? is something that will resonate? cut through the noise and put more pressure? >> i think it provides a real alternative for people like jeb bush marco rubio and even senator cruised to beat out of them. santa cruz is banking on the fact that trump will ultimately implode and the people who are thinking will gravitate toward him.

the people who are articulate,articulate, fresh, new voices and you are also latino, cubano, but brown skinned and one of us. i think that will begin to resonate. look, we have got to broaden his tent, do bettertent, do better reaching hispanics. we saw those numbers in the last presidential cycle when romney got 32 percent. that is not going to cut it. george w. bush was in the 40s. we have to get back up in the 40s. the only candidates that can do that for those that are more thoughtful and open-minded. i'm not saying to abandon a conservative principles, but we much -- we must be much more thoughtful and engage. >> our panel is called unlocking the hispanic vote.

texas voters in general do not turn out in the numbers ever present in the state. i want to go back to last night. he was asked about voting in texas. >> your making this easy. >> the lieutenant governor said he does not think texas needs to make it easier to vote. he said, if people don't show up there either happy or don't care. is there anyone on this panel that agrees to that quote? >> let me interject real quick. no. i don't think that should be the premise. but we have done what we have been reaching out to campuses. there is a generational gap in voting right now. you haveyou have a lot of first-time voters in a very cynical.

i don't trust. and that seems to be the word that i'm getting, not just hispanics, everyone across the board. try to focus on how we get the hispanic vote is i think if somewhat disingenuous. my role as secretary of state is to get everyone's vote out regardless. it is so great being nonpartisan had to sit back and watch the carnival atmosphere, but if you go back to mr. trump, i agree with the panel. he is not a republican. but i think what is somewhat concerning obviously aside from the negativity and rhetoric is the fact that there is actually a following. his message is resonating. like most of you and you watch, look at who is in the background dues there.

the ethnicity of the background thatthe concern is here. and then let me give you the everyone talks about the hispanic population you have an asian constituency as well. as i speaking to first-time voters, whether it's tcu or mary hardin baylor for acc, whatever it is, the growth of the hispanic population areas somewhat meaningless if we cannot generate and excite and engage people to go on about. itit does not matter how fast a particular segment is going if we don't exercise that right to vote.

but the message that came across the college campuses is that of trust. they don't trust elected officials. and there's a reason for that. it is is kind of ironic that if you pull congress the numbers are very low. the unfavorable's are high. but when you when you go to any particular congressional district and pull that particular congressperson the numbers are much higher. i have people that are trying to convince to go out and vote. go out and vote and cast a blank ballot. get the number registered because all votes matter. regardless of where we are. as far as reaching out, asian-american, it is incumbent upon everyone to make sure that those votes get out. >> i would like to speak is

the only member on this panel who has had the ability to do something about the fact that we were not voting well. one of theone of the ways we can do that is to change the law. i was disappointed to here the comments because i worked hard to pass online voter registration. it got aa late hearing despite having support from senior republicans on the floor. seventy-six co-authors in the very late hearing. and the hearing turned into a partisan attack to suggest that if you pass this bill my republican colleagues would be in danger. my suggestion is that texas is already in grave danger because only 34% of us bother to vote. that should because should be cause for alarming concern to say what can we do? those dynamics are why people are not voting. i ran headfirst against what

turned out to be a cement wall.a cement wall. we have to value the vote and do better. >> ii respectfully and strongly disagree with the lieutenant governor's comment. i think there is a tendency for us to forget how we got here. initially you had to be free, white, male, and own property. and it took a while before people realize there was something wrong with that. but for a while in the beginning people thought that was okay. one day i will get some property. it took a while to get beyond that. i think there is a tendency for people in government to look at life through their prison, where they are. if you want the low or high turnout election you tend to be for or against.

it was an accident. but the building command never been here, damage to the democratic legislature. they had it is bill on as an amendment. as a result ofa result of that bill i have registered more republican than anyone else. [laughter] but they were against it. the lieutenant governor is responding with a knee-jerk reaction. you know it's easy? i'm against it. takeit. take a deep breath and sit back and think about it. in the 1960s, the hispanic vote. this is 1965, 66. the catholic church increased minimum wage,

which is a dollar and a quarter. a few pieces of legislation. we have to change the dynamic cannot keep doing stuff. everyone is spending all this money to try to register people to vote. you don't get enough command then you are broke. you know, i think we we ought to change it. click of a california and oregon did, look at same day registration. technology lets us eliminate issues related to fraud. we ought to use technology do that and organize and operate in the same mentality. >> if i could add that on the one hand, yes,hand, yes, we need to make it easier for people to vote in general. by the use of technology. angry.

we also should make it attractive. one thing that i don't think very respectfully and most of you may disagree is comeau we put all of this blame on the voters. and since we hispanics don't come out and vote, how can we expect it to change our nation? well, we decided, let's go for candidates, let's find young people, hispanics, and invite them to run for office, yes, as republicans, but run for office. and individuals like jason that will represent us, it will go to the middle in many respects but represent the community. if you find a good candidate , people come out and vote.

we need more people, good people running for office, not staying home and just watching what is going on. and we need to cultivate hispanics that are flirting a little bit with running for office, make sure they get money, and education, no what it means when they get the numbers. most of the candidates out there are not that interesting to assess hispanics, they don't offer anything for us. we should go out. we need to be, like israel over here who said the campaign, went and touched every single person that made it clear she was interested in their lives, but it will not be by condemning hispanics for african-americans. they come out in incredible numbers. george bush in the state of texas and in historic numbers they come out of the finally we do tend to vote

for the person. much more than the issues, unfortunately, but definitely more than the party. >> i agree. i fall prey sometimes because you get so frustrated as a candidate. what is so reporting as a latina knocked on so many doors. i was elected because it was a grassroots oriented campaign. being able to connect with someone at the front door, teacher or latino voter. we're both from el paso, you make a connection and they get to know, this is just a woman in my door who has the humility to say she wants my vote. that is going to weigh much more heavily with any latino voter. polls show that latino voters are neither left nor right. they really are up for grabs.

any of us overlook the comeau with them at your peril. >> i used to be a democrat and republican. ran three timesran three times as a democrat, three times for county judges a republican command i think you touched on it. you are right. it is up to the candidates versus the sos office to generate that interest. and it is about the person. i think part of it, when you have a july cameron is overwhelmingly democratic, 65, 75 percent democratic command i was able to win three times against a pretty strong democrats, you know, or the straight ticket vote, vote, and cameron is two and a half times that of the republican. on electionon election day i am down eight or nine, 10,000 votes, but it is important to recognize that it is not the candidate.

speaking nonpartisan way, there are a lot of good articles that have good ideas, both have not so good ideas. neither party is a monopoly on the government or or great ideas are bad ideas which is the message. i did my duty doing, but in order for any candidate to get the vote and engage they have to be able to connect with the voter. everyone votes based upon a personal impactor issue. what is important to them personally which is what ii have found. if you can get that message to resonate and to me, you know what, my goal is not to get out the vote. i don't think that is my role. role of that is the candidates, the individual parties, nonprofits clower role is to provide information, educate

information, educate voters as best we can, make it information that is readily available. today is not like the 60s. twitter and facebook and instagram.instagram. they did not even have cell phones. it is important that we all just keep -- kind of stan us from mingling. what is it that we want to do? get the vote out, make sure the hispanic vote gets out from african-american vote gets out, everybody, but you got? >> such low voter participation levels. only four states in the country are predominately minority. new mexico, california. now, real question i think ought to be command we done things in texas that make it more difficult for people to vote?